OLAADEGBU:

Most of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science where biblical Christians who were creationists.  Let me give you a few samples:

Physics:  Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Kelvin

Chemistry: Boyle, Dalton, Pascal, Ramsay

Biology: Ray, Linnaeus, Mendel, Pasteur

Geology: Steno, Woodward, Brewster, Agassiz

Astronomy: Kepler, Galileo, Herschel, Maunder

A creationist and theologian, Henry Morris and Gary Parker says "these men, as well as scores of others who could be mentioned, were creationists, not evolutionists, and their names are practically synonymous with the rise of modern science.  To them, the scientific enterprise was a high calling, one dedicated to "thinking God's thoughts after Him."

You just keep shooting yourself in the foot each time you do this. Do you know that Mendel whose name you have up there is a catholic? I hope you know that the catholic church does not agree with the 6 day literal creation account in the bible. One minute you call catholics confused agents of the devil who have gone astray the next minute they are christian creationist. What kind of hypocrite are you? . Second Issac Newton was NOT a christian he practiced Arianism a type of christianity that was considered heretical during his time, by the way who told you that Issac Newton believes in the 6 day creation account written in genesis? I see that it is good to for you to quote or cite non christians as creationist when you believe it will help your cause other wise I don't think some one like you will ever call someone that believes in Arianism (Issac newton) a christian creationist.

Most of the people you quoted are either catholics(people who do not believe in the literal translation of the creation accounts written in genesis and people who you yourself say are not christians), people that practice Arianism or some form of christianity that is very different from yours. Most of them are not creationist because the type of christianity they practice tells them not to accept the literal creation accounts in genesis.

Here is another quote from Arthur H. Compton, winner of Nobel Prize in Physics:

"Science is the glimpse of God's purpose in nature.  The very existence of the amazing world of the atom and radiation points to a purposeful creation, to the idea that there is a God and an intelligent purpose back of everything . . . An orderly universe testifies to the greatest statement ever uttered: 'In the beginning, God . . .'"

He has every right air his opinion, but that doesn't mean that his opinion is true.

Krayola2:

What about someone who hears the gospel and rejects it, but lives a very decent life

what about if this person was of another faith, say, shango worshipper, but didn't break the law, yet rejected christ

what if the person lived a decent life. . bar maybe some victimless shit like gets drunk and does drugs every now and then, or masturbates to pornography.

Have they each sinned?

what do u think each of these person's fate would be?

If you were to place a dried out leaf into the presence of fire, you would notice that the fire would not hesitate to consume the leaf in a matter of seconds. The fire must consume the leaf because of its very nature. Even it the fire didn't want to dispose of the leaf, it wouldn't matter; it still must consume it because their natures are diametrically opposed one to the other. As in Deuteronomy 4:24 and Hebrews 12:29 also describes God as a consuming fire (Check it out). By His very nature, God must consume anything and everything that opposes His nature. We must put on the Lord Jesus Christ, or we will be consumed by the ever pure burning holiness of the King of Kings.

@ bindex,

I know that everybody likes what is good and I won't be surprised if you claimed that they were atheists as some of you claimed in the atheists quote thread until I began to quote their words that proved otherwise.

For your information, Science was actually developed by Christians who believed that God created an orderly universe. Many of the founders of the principle scientific fields, such as Bacon, Galileo, Kepler and Newton, were believers in a recently created earth. The idea that science cannot accept a creationist perspective is a denial of scientific history.

I will start from the father of the scientific method, Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1626). He was the lord chancellor of England and was considered to be the man primarily responsible for the formulation and establishment of the so called “Scientific Method” in science, stressing experimentation and induction from data rather than philosophical deduction in the tradition of Aristotle. Bacon’s writing was also credited with the leading to the founding of the Royal Society of London. Sir Bacon was a devout believer in the Bible. He wrote the following phrase: “There are two books laid before us to study, to prevent our falling into error; first, the volume of the scriptures, which reveal the will of God; then the volume of the creatures, which express His Power”.

Johannes Kepler (1571-1642). He discovered Scientific astronomy, three laws of planetary motion among others. He strongly believed that “the world of nature, the world of man, the world of God” all fit together. He reasoned that because the universe was designed by an intelligent Creator, it should function according to some logical pattern. To him the idea of a chaotic universe was inconsistent with God’s wisdom. Kepler’s law of planetary motion were his greatest contribution to science. These laws had an enormous impact on scientific thinking, providing the groundwork for Sir Isaac Newton’s later work on universal gravitation. He discovered a new star (supernova); he analysed how the human eye works; he made improvements to the telescope and made other contributions in the field of optics. He published accurate data on the positions of stars and planets which were of immense importance to navigators. As a mathematician, he discovered faster methods of calculation and investigated the volume of many solid bodies.

Do I need to mention Isaac Newton (1642-1727). Who was a co inventor of Calculus. He also formulated the laws of motion and gravity. He computed the nature of planetary orbits, invented the reflecting telescope, and made a number of discoveries in optics. Newton had a profound knowledge of, and faith in, the Bible. Time and space will prevent me from mentioning the likes of Carl Linnaeus, the Swedish botanist who developed the double Latin name system for taxonomic classification of plants and animals, he also believed in the Genesis account of creation.

Other notable scientists like the Dutch geologist Nicholaus Steno (1631-1686), who developed the basic principles of stratigraphy. Bible believing English scientists in the early 19th century when the idea of millions of years was developed, such as chemist Andrew Ure (1778-1857) and John Murray around (1786-1851), entomologist William Kirby (1759-1850), and geologist George Young (1777-1848). James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) discovered the four fundamental equations that light and all forms of electromagnetic radiation obey. Maxwell’s equations are what make radio transmissions possible. He was a deep student of Scripture and was firmly opposed to evolution. These and many other great scientists have believed the Bible as the infallible Word of God, and it was their Christian faith that was the driving motivation and intellectual foundation of their excellent scientific work.

I must not fail to mention the father of Microbiology, Louis Pasteur (1822-1895), who was an outstanding scientist and opponent of evolution. Each time you go to the refrigerator and take out a bottle of milk, you should be reminded of the work of the outstanding French scientist, Louis Pasteur. He discovered Bacteriology, Biochemistry, Sterilization, Immunization etc. He also proved the scientific law that life came from life, He said that: “Microscopic beings must come into the world from parents similar to themselves”. This was a kick in the teeth to the evolutionists that have been peddling the fallacy of spontaneous generation and they still teach this in textbooks and schools inspite of the fact that it is unscientific, illogical, irrational and unreasonable. Despite all the efforts of the evolutionary scientists, not one observable case of spontaneous generation has ever been found, hence it remains a theory and not a fact.

Today there are many other PhD scientists such as I have mentioned in my earlier posts and also in the link suggested who reject evolution and believe that God created in 6 days a few thousand years ago, just as recorded in Scriptures. Russ Humphreys (PhD Physics), has developed among many other things, a model to compute the present strength of planetary magnetic fields, which enabled him to accurately predict the fields strengths of the outer planets. He was able to make these predictions precisely because he started from the principles of Scriptures.

John Baumgardner (PhD Geophysics and biblical creationist), has a sophisticated computer model of Catastrophic plate tectonics, which was reported in the journal Nature; the assumptions for this model are based on the global flood recorded in the book of Genesis. A biblical creationist Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, developed the magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scan that has benefited a lot of people. Georgia Purdon (PhD Molecular Genetics) and Andrew Snelling (PhD Geology) both biblical creationists and authors in Answers in Genesis. They certainly understand their fields and are yet convinced that they do not support evolutionary biology and geology but rather confirm biblical creation.

Jason Lisle (PhD Astrophysics), He made a number of discoveries about the nature of near-surface solar flows, including the detection of a never-before-seen polar alignment of super granules, as well as patterns indicative of giant overturning cells. He said that it was because a logical God created and ordered the universe that made him and other creation scientists expect to be able to understand aspects of that universe through logic, careful observation and experimentation.

The very basis for scientific research is biblical creation. This is not to say that noncreationists cannot be scientists, but in a way an evolutionist is not being consistent when they do science. The big bang supporters claim the universe is a random chance event and yet they study it as if it were logical and orderly. The evolutionist is thus, forced to borrow certain creationist principles in order to do science. The universe is logical and orderly because its Creator is logical and has imposed order on the universe. God created our minds and gave us the ability and curiosity to study the universe. We can also trust that the universe will obey the same physics tomorrow as it does today because God is consistent. This why science is possible. On the contrary, if the universe is just an accidental product of a big bang, why should it be orderly? Why should there be laws of nature if there is no law giver? If our brains are the by products of random chance, why should we trust that their conclusions are accurate? But if our minds have been designed, and if the universe has been constructed by God, as the Bible teaches, then of course we should be able to study nature. Science is possible because the Bible is true.

For more information on what constitutes science and how it has always confirmed the Bible's account check the weblink below:


http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee/what-is-science

OLAADEGBU:

If you were to place a dried out leaf into the presence of fire, you would notice that the fire would not hesitate to consume the leaf in a matter of seconds. The fire must consume the leaf because of its very nature. Even it the fire didn't want to dispose of the leaf, it wouldn't matter; it still must consume it because their natures are diametrically opposed one to the other. As in Deuteronomy 4:24 and Hebrews 12:29 also describes God as a consuming fire (Check it out). By His very nature, God must consume anything and everything that opposes His nature. We must put on the Lord Jesus Christ, or we will be consumed by the ever pure burning holiness of the King of Kings.

Nice to know that excessive and irrational fear is what keeps you in line.

bindex:

Nice to know that excessive and irrational fear is what keeps you in line.

"For our God is a consuming fire." -- Hebrews 12:29

"WARNING: Exposure to the Son may prevent burning!"

OLAADEGBU:

"For our God is a consuming fire." -- Hebrews 12:29

"WARNING: Exposue to the Son may prevent burning!"

Thank goodness the consuming fire god of yours exist only in your imaginations and no where else.

OLAADEGBU:

If you were to place a dried out leaf into the presence of fire, you would notice that the fire would not hesitate to consume the leaf in a matter of seconds.  The fire must consume the leaf because of its very nature.  Even it the fire didn't want to dispose of the leaf, it wouldn't matter; it still must consume it because their natures are diametrically opposed one to the other.  As in Deuteronomy 4:24 and Hebrews 12:29 also describes God as a consuming fire (Check it out).  By His very nature, God must consume anything and everything that opposes His nature.  We must put on the Lord Jesus Christ, or we will be consumed by the ever pure burning holiness of the King of Kings.

In essence all the poor thai peeps who died worshipping their idols without ever hearing of the dead carpenter will be damned by your god, right?. . . . *hisses*
. . . Consuming fire ko exploding banger ni. Rubbish!

Roflmao

OLAADEGBU:

As in Deuteronomy 4:24 and Hebrews 12:29 also describes God as a consuming fire (Check it out).  By His very nature, God must consume anything and everything that opposes His nature.  We must put on the Lord Jesus Christ, or we will be consumed by the ever pure burning holiness of the King of Kings.

The part you quoted in Deuteronomy was a warning to those who broke the laws stated in the book. If you are going to quote that verse to describe God, you can not ignore the laws the verse refers to . .which includes the ten commandments[b], the sacrificial meal of exodus  24:9-11, and the laws in Deuteronomy 12-26 commanding such things as celebrating the "Festival of shelters" for 7 days every harvest season, in 16:13; stoning disobedient sons to death in 21: 20, and expelling illegitimate children and their following 10 generations from the community in 23:2[/b]. amonsgt many others.

Hebrews 12: 29 also evokes Moses and  the warnings from Exodus and Deuteronomy, and only adds more to them.  (If you were to start from verse 21 and not 29. . )

I don't know any Christians that obey any of these highlighted laws, so if we were to use those verses you quoted in the context in which it appears in the Bible (and not just pretend it is there by itself, or to be used in whatever way we choose) all Christians today are condemned to hell.  Unless of course u believe the Laws in Deuteronomy are irrelevant. .  In which case you can't be quoting the warnings without the laws they refer to.

Chei! See how atheist are flooring olaadegbu, even on biblical issues.

lol wahala dey o

When is the story going to continue

Mazaje, which kind dissapearing act be dis? We are waiting for part 2. . . The return of the Jedi, Matrix reloaded. . . Hurry UP!!!

production on the thrilla in manila is ongoing.

Be patient people, Denzel Washington has a busy schedule

Mazaje you are ordered to complete your story. Failure to do so will cast an aspersion on the veracity of the tale.

Lol! Really. really, we want to hear the rest. . .

LOL abi Nepa don take light for your cinema? Na my last popcorn pack I dey chop now better hurry up and come back!

Let's look at the life of some one like Mahatma Ghandi - i suppose the Christian Fanatics will dare suggest he will burn in Hell for not being Christian, notwithstanding the fact that Ghandi was probably one of the purest human souls to have walked the earth.

MrCrackles:

He didnt

He didnt what?

Chrisbenogor:

LOL abi Nepa don take light for your cinema? Na my last popcorn pack I dey chop now better hurry up and come back!

we are editing the blockbuster be patient.

Maybe Mazaje as repented and decided to embrace christianity again But on a more serious note mazaje and other atheists on this forum you guys honestly need to come to know christ and his true gospel, most of what is being preached out there is adulteratd and can at bbest be called doctrines of men I am quite certain if you know and understand what christ is all about you would find him faultless and desire to know him better. The only problem is that the truth as been corrupted by mere men for the sake of their own greed and ego.

@MAZAJE

YOUR REASONS FOR RLEAVING CHRISTIANITY ARE PUERILE,THE HOLY BOOKS LOOK UNTO JESUS NOT UNTO SOME SO CALLED PASTORS

Oga o. the hype is building for part 2

KunleOshob:

Maybe Mazaje as repented and decided to embrace christianity again But on a more serious note mazaje and other atheists on this forum you guys honestly need to come to know christ and his true gospel, most of what is being preached out there is adulteratd and can at bbest be called doctrines of men

It has always been the gospel of men, the stories about jesus were written not by jesus or people that knew him but by people who lived long after he died, the gospels were written about 50-70 years after the death of jesus not by people who claim to have meet him but by unknown people, men(the catholic chruch through apostolic tradition) decided to link the unanimous writtings about jesus with the names of his diciples to give them more credibility. Men put the bible together through contensious votes, invented all the doctorines and made changes to some. Men always claim to know the mind of the god they are talking about and what he wants of people and speak for him and defend him all the time. It has always being about men and that is how it will always be.

I am quite certain if you know and understand what christ is all about you would find him faultless and desire to know him better. The only problem is that the truth as been corrupted by mere men for the sake of their own greed and ego.

Jesus might have been a good person but I doubt if he knows that he will one day be turned into a god by his followers. . . .

Mazaje, now you talk like a believer

Mazaje, now you talk like a muslim, only if ur dad had set up a good foundation this wouldn't have happened. From muslim to christian to atheist

Abuzola:

Mazaje, now you talk like a muslim, only if your dad had set up a good foundation this wouldn't have happened. From muslim to christian to atheist

Too bad for a person.

I am really sorry to disappoint , Its a very long story and I  can't share all of it now, my encounter with the people in thailand made me to re-examine my beliefs, question it and find out how true it is. From then on I came to understand that religion is not something we come to accept based on evidence or through verifiable arguments, its something that our culture and society inculcates in us since when we are children and it becomes a part of us  as we grow,this culture later becomes our ultimate truth because our daily lives revolve around it and it is been reenforced by the beliefs of others around us. Once that religion which I call a culture becomes a part of us then we always look for a way to justify it even when there are so many evidence to the contrary, most people believe in god or a particular religion because they some how find themselves involved in a group that promotes the idea and they are conditioned to believe in it even when most of its assertions are false( creation myths and garden of eden myth). It's later on when their subconscious nags them that it's BS, they start looking for evidence to support the notion even if it means lying to themselves(apologist like creation scientist or the liars called answers in genesis and other islamic liars that are out there defending the koran even when they know they are lying to themselves)

I left christainty because I came to realize that most of its stories are not true.Why should I accept the stories that I know are not true just because some people that I do not know said it happened when I know it did not. The universe was not created in seven days, there was never a flood that wiped out the whole on humanity, a man can not divide the sea with a stick, sticks do not turn into snakes if egyptians magicains can turn their sticks into snakes during the time of moses then they should be able to do it now. Why is it that egyptian magicians can not do all these thing now? donkeys do not talk, manna does not fall from heaven, a person can not survive inside a fish for 3 days. A person can not stop the earth from rotating, the rainbow is not a convenant between man and any god, stars can not fight along side human beings. Why is it that all these things only happen in the past when men were primitive and are not happening now? They tell us to accept these things based on faith but we know that faith is a device used by those who can't bear the thought that what they believe in is not so. It gives false assurance. It offers a religious placebo to those who are sick with a religious illness because at some level everyone realizes that believing on faith means nothing more than believing it because you have an emotional bias for believing itand they also realize that wanting to believe that something is true is in no way evidence for and doesn't even have any logical relationship to whether that thing is actually true. They know that they are lying and they tell us that faith is a virture so we should have faith. I decided to tell my self the truth and accept reality not some feel good stories, myths, fiction and thoughts of unknown people which have been demonstrated to be false over and over again.

I lef christianity because if there truly is a god as described in the bible and by some christians then there will be no need for people to speak for him at all, christians will be performing magic all over the place as promised by jesus and people will come to know about there god but that is not the case. The fact that christians do not agree on the basic nature of the god of the bible alone tells you that it is all a man made sham like everything else. There are over 30,000 different sects of christianity and each of them aligns with the personal interpretation and view of the bible of the members within the sect. I read the history of christainty and the bible(islam and the koran) and came to know that like every other thing religion is man made there is nothing supernatural about(  most supernatural beliefs in the past like earth quake, rainbow and lighting have been shown to be natural events) it and all its assertions are false as far as I know. We are told by religion that we have a soul that out lives us but science has shown that it is all a lie. I will rather believe in reality than feel good myths and lies.

Mazaje. . . I hope people read your post and really think about what u wrote. I pretty much agree with everything u wrote.

The gospels came even later than that though. . . between 70-100CE

Mazaje, the truth has made you free. I used to be a so - called Christian too. If only people would think rationally about what they believe,

Am really confused here dont know what to believe If there is god nko na hell fire be that abi ? What brought me to this life Ooo,

Well xtianity has no answer to life's crucial question, the whole concept is senseless, but what if, , staying on the fence is a better option

@mazaje

It is ridiculous for you to say you became an atheist because someone in thailand has never heard the name Jesus,what has that to do with the existence of Jesus or the proof of the existence of God.

That someone has never heard about someone or dosen't beleive in someone dosen't really mean he dosen't exist.

WildOne:

Mazaje, the truth has made you free. I used to be a so - called Christian too. If only people would think rationally about what they believe,

We have heard many theists who were rational thinkers what made you think you are better than them.