Ngozi123:


No. From the little I know, the Benin Kingdom ruled over many different ethnic groups, including some Igbo groups. These Igbo groups migrated eastwards to areas in what is now known as Delta and Anambra State- maybe Rivers State too but I'm not sure on that one. I don't believe that the Igbos have always dwelled in their present locations.

I don't have much proof outside of oral traditions as I haven't actually done much research on the topic- I don't like to pretend that I'm well versed in something when I'm not.

Btw, what do you mean by "Benin people"- are you referring to the people who lived under the Benin Empire or just the Edoid people?

hammerT:


Ur theory is wrong.

U need to put a timeline on the Benin Kingdom, it is not that old. It is rather very recent.

Secondly, is it easier for ur ancestors to cross river Niger to Anambra or walk from Akwa to Anambra?

Do u know how big the River Niger is?

Thirdly, do u know the location of Benin? Google map is ur friend.(Ondo state border to Anambra is a very long distance)

It is impossible for Benin to administrate all those groups from that location. If i may ask wat was their mode of transportation?

Fourthly, ur claims indicate that igbo existed in the west as opposed to the east, in otherwords Nri never existed.

The fact that a few people in ur village have bini sounding name is not evidence of Benin rule.

There are rather simple explanation like migration of those individual as u have Benin people with igbo names like Okoro.etc

Ngozi123:


Nice alternative theory. I'll look into it.

Ngozi123:


Nice alternative theory. I'll look into it.

BornStunner1:


Dunno why you are letting that clown that knows next to nothing confuse you that knows more than him!!

You are allowing someone that had no ancesterary contradict what your grandparents or mother told you about your ancestary!!

That boy types jargoons thats why i do not even bother to enlightene him bcus it is obvious he does not have the brain capacity for well documated knowledge!!

hammerT:
This is the future for Igbo land, we will remove all the igbo girls and replace them with Sudan, Kenya and Uganda dark skinned.

Our kids and women will be the darkest and these guys will leave us a lone. Biafra is a card and this is also a card.

Ngozi123:


I was just being nice. However, his theory really is an interesting one that I'd like to look further into; sometimes it's good to learn about counter theories/arguments even if you don't necessarily agree with them.

BornStunner1:



NOW LOOK AT THIS MAP YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCE OF BENIN FROM ONITSHA!!

NOW THINK ABOUT THE DISTANCE IT TOOK FOR COLOMBUS TO DISCOVER THE AMERICAS OR FOR THE FULANIS TO COME DOWN FROM NORTH SAHARA TUNISIA DOWN TO NIGERIA AND COLONISE THE HAUSAS WITH NO WEAPONS APART FROM THIER COWS.....

TALKLESS OF THE BENIN EMPIRE WAS WELL VAST IN TECHNOLOGY AND WAS AT FULL STRENGHT

EVEN THE BIGHT OF BENIN BESIDE THE ATLANTIC OCEAN WAS NAMED AFTER THE BENIN EMPIRE!! THATS HOW FAR THE INFLUENCE OF THE BENIN EMPIRE WENT!!

YOU ARE THERE LETTING AN IGNORANT FELLOW CONFUSE YOU SMH!!

Ngozi123:


Do you think that I've never travelled from Benin to Onitsha before?



Where did I say that I was confused? I said that it was a "nice alternative theory" and that I'd be glad to look into it, and I will.

Ngozi123:


I agree. This will go a long way to building the bridges between the Western Igbos and their Eastern brethren. Once we've done this, maybe we could also try and canvass for a similar arrangement for the Igbos in Rivers State, excluding the Ikwerre.

BornStunner1:



NOW LOOK AT THIS MAP YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCE OF BENIN FROM ONITSHA!!

NOW THINK ABOUT THE DISTANCE IT TOOK FOR COLOMBUS TO DISCOVER THE AMERICAS OR FOR THE FULANIS TO COME DOWN FROM NORTH SAHARA TUNISIA DOWN TO NIGERIA AND COLONISE THE HAUSAS WITH NO WEAPONS APART FROM THIER COWS.....

TALKLESS OF THE BENIN EMPIRE WAS WELL VAST IN TECHNOLOGY AND WAS AT FULL STRENGHT

EVEN THE BIGHT OF BENIN BESIDE THE ATLANTIC OCEAN WAS NAMED AFTER THE BENIN EMPIRE!! THATS HOW FAR THE INFLUENCE OF THE BENIN EMPIRE WENT!!

YOU ARE THERE LETTING AN IGNORANT FELLOW CONFUSE YOU SMH!!

cheruv:

Conquer the whole Nigeria
Nwanne jiri nwayo nātu asi bikō
The Bini were already in a state of decline long before the Brits buried them in 1897. The Anioma had already defeated them in the great Ubulu war of 1755 and expelled them from Anioma,ending their almost two centuries of occupying Anioma land. .
I'd say the power the British checked and destroyed were the Aro to the East... Had the Brits not come, Arochukwu would've conquered the SE&SS even as far East as Cameroon

BornStunner1:



NOW LOOK AT THIS MAP YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCE OF BENIN FROM ONITSHA!!

NOW THINK ABOUT THE DISTANCE IT TOOK FOR COLOMBUS TO DISCOVER THE AMERICAS OR FOR THE FULANIS TO COME DOWN FROM NORTH SAHARA TUNISIA DOWN TO NIGERIA AND COLONISE THE HAUSAS WITH NO WEAPONS APART FROM THIER COWS.....

TALKLESS OF THE BENIN EMPIRE WAS WELL VAST IN TECHNOLOGY AND WAS AT FULL STRENGHT

EVEN THE BIGHT OF BENIN BESIDE THE ATLANTIC OCEAN WAS NAMED AFTER THE BENIN EMPIRE!! THATS HOW FAR THE INFLUENCE OF THE BENIN EMPIRE WENT!!

YOU ARE THERE LETTING AN IGNORANT FELLOW CONFUSE YOU SMH!!

hammerT:



So the eastern parts is a desert in ur map abi? Ur stupidity is just wow.

Y did u cut that part out, to focus on Benin and Onitsha? Yet the distance is evidently clear. Wat did dey conduct their travel with? Car or Train?

Let us face it, Onitsha is as much Benin, as Ile Ife is Benin.

U people and ur fairy tales never ceases to amaze me.

One minute Benin Prince is wondering to Ife in Osun, the next minute Osun prince is wondering to Benin or is it Oyo(Ibadan) prince. I have added a map for the distance and reality of that journey to be clear.

Then Benin is wondering to Onitsha. Benin just got up from their location and started speaking igbo and crossing rivers to Onitsha.

dragonking3:
Bros am sorry but this your assertion is silly. The urhobo, isoko, ijaw, itsekiri and all other tribes in delta don't speak Benin language but they deny the fact that they all came from Benin kingdom. The evidence is there, same way the evidence that igbos came out from the Benin kingdom. The Benin empire was vast with different people speaking different languages but they were all under the Benin kingdom. It was as a result of war that made several people to migrate from Benin down to delta State, down to anambra etc.

hammerT:



Ur very stupid? If i fit see u now ehn, na chair i go carry throw -way 4 ur head. Idiot!

dragonking3:
The truth is bitter. You be Benin man.

Nigeria: Benin Kingdom in Edo Is Yoruba Territory - Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi

The Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi, on Tuesday said Benin Kingdom in Edo State remained part of the expansive Yoruba race, a pronouncement that may spark fresh rivalry and altercation between people of the two ancient kingdoms.

The monarch made the comment in reaction to a statement credited to the palace of the Oba of Benin challenging the claim by the Alake of Egbaland, Adedotun Gbadebo, that the Ooni of Ife remained the pre-eminent spiritual leader in Yorubaland and environs.

Oba Ogunwusi, via a statement by his Director of Media and Public Affairs, Moses Olafare, made available to PREMIUM TIMES, said he was not interested in any supremacy battle with anyone but that he would continue to put the records straight and avoid distortion of history from any quarters.

The monarch said going by historical evidence detailing the Oduduwa lineage, Benin Kingdom remained part and parcel of Oduduwa House.

"We in Oduduwa land have always seen and regarded our people in Benin kingdom as part and parcel of Oduduwa House. They are our brothers and sisters, coupled with historical facts to back up this position," Ooni Ogunwusi said.

"The statement credited to the Alake of Egbaland, did not emanate from us but the reality is that as a highly experienced and well informed monarch, Kabiyesi Alake, who is a bonafide Oodua descendant is entitled to his opinion based on his knowledge and understanding of history," the Ooni said.

"Let me emphasize for the umpteenth time that Kabiyesi Ooni is less concerned over any supremacy hullabaloo. He is only interest for now in how the sacred throne of Oduduwa can explore measures through which the collective interest and genuine unity among Yoruba and other tribes within the larger House of Oduduwa can be enhanced.

"This informed his resolve to build bridges of harmony among Yourba Obas. I am resolutely committed to how Yoruba ethnic group can restore its glory and pride of position among other ethnic inclinations in Nigeria and don't want to be dragged into supremacy contest or join issues with anybody."

The traditional ruler said he recalled that about six years ago, attempt was made by some people to upturn history during the launch of a book titled: I REMAIN SIR, YOUR OBEDIENT SERVANT, which he said stood historical facts on its head.

Oba Ogunwusi stated that If the position espoused by the Oba of Benin Palace in the media "is aimed at distancing our people in Benin from the South West and Yoruba, so be it."

He however added, "We still identify with them as our kinsmen, regardless of the attempt to change the course of history."

The Alake had, while hosting the Oba Ogunwusi in his palace on February 7, rated the Ooni as the number one monarch in Yorubaland and other territories considered part of the Oduduwa House.

In his rating, Oba Gbadebo said Oba Ogunwusi was number one of the five principal Obas in Yorubaland, followed by the Alaafin of Oyo, then by the Oba of Benin (in third position), the Alake of Egbaland (fourth) and the Awujale of Ijebuland (fifth).

But in a swift reaction on Tuesday, the Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom, David Edebiri, rejected the ranking, saying the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race.

The Esogban said, "We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba.

"There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. [/b]It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.

[b]"We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial.

"For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin.

"That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin.

"So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings.

"Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don't know, they should send people here; we will teach them.

"We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin.

"The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification.

"The Ooni of Ife, by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class. The Oba of Benin is the only one that answers Oba, the rest don't. But today, we hear Oba here and there, they are all recent adaptations. I am saying categorically that the word Oba is indigenous to Benin and not to Yoruba nation."

hammerT:

http://allafrica.com/stories/201602100367.html
U know the truth? This is the last arguement between Ooni of Ife and Oba of Benin. It highlights alot of things. It shows the level of confusion that exist between the yorubas and benin.

dragonking3:
Typical. Now you are trying to shift the argument to Yoruba and Benin since you can't defend and lie anymore. But seriously why can't you guys just leave the yorubas out of it and face your own battles.

dragonking3:
The truth is bitter. You be Benin man.

dragonking3:
Funny people, they find it difficult to believe that their ancestors migrated from Benin to Anambra, Abia, imo etc but they vehemently believe that their ancestors migrated easily from Israel that is found in another continent entirely down here to Igboland. I shake my head for this people.

THATS THE HIEGHT OF CONFUSION!!


WHAT A PITY!!

BornStunner1:








IF THIER OBI CAN TESTIFY HIS BENIN BLOOD WHO IS DAT RIFF RAT RUNNING NAKED ON THIS THREAD?

hammerT:



Sorry to say but Igbos are never from BENIN. We dont look like them, talk like them, eat like them or believe the samething as them

We are completely different and that is evident. I have explained my position on Anioma igbo and how they got there.

I will not repeat myself further on that becos it is pointless. Igbo and Benin dont relate as such.

Benin are Portugese and British slave raiders that were defeated by the Anioma igbo in the Benin/Anioma War. They were further defeated by the British and relegated to the realm of Oduduwa Kingdom where dey belong.

dragonking3:
Bros am sorry but this your assertion is silly. The urhobo, isoko, ijaw, itsekiri and all other tribes in delta don't speak Benin language but they deny the fact that they all came from Benin kingdom. The evidence is there, same way the evidence that igbos came out from the Benin kingdom. The Benin empire was vast with different people speaking different languages but they were all under the Benin kingdom. It was as a result of war that made several people to migrate from Benin down to delta State, down to anambra etc.

dragonking3:
You also don't look like isreali yet you believe that you are Jews from Israel. This Benin man you funny die.