dalaman:


I have no personal vendetta against any God. I've never met any God, never spoken to any, none has ever offended me, none has ever told me anything, none has ever done anything to me or interacted with me. I was raised by my parents and society around me and indoctrinated to accept and believe some stories about certain people and made to also fashion my life after the stories and moral outlook of the characters of that story. God is a part of that story. I've never met, encountered or interacted with any God in my life, I only meet and interact with people that BELIEVE in God. It is those people that I always interact with on nairaland religion section because I find religion to be something I am very interested in. The debates entertain me and they give me an insight as to how people reason and think along religious lines and the idea of God.

I can not be in a vendetta with something that I have never interacted with in anyway at all. I know you are wired to believe that challenging people that believe in God means challenging God but that is not the case, all I am.doing is challenging people's beliefs, and the stories and ideas that I have been indoctrinated with as a child. I can not be in vendetta with somethingthat isn't real.




Werin you believe suppose concern me because I find it interesting.



I don't want you to go all emotional on me. If you want to go emotional go to the right place and seek for solace. I have no emotional support to give you. I will only speak your language for you.

I've answered your question already.

Kikikikikiki so you have never met any God or interacted with any God yet you call the same person you say you have no vendetta against a dead Jew and all manner of absurdities. Yet he does not exist.

How would you be ranting over something non existent? No rant enter market o before your Madness is confirmed.

So the beliefs are not attached to God ba? How can you challenge beliefs over a non existent God? You well so?

dalaman:


I don't know what happens to them as well. I simply do not know what happens when people die. I did not know what happened to me before I was born and I simply do not know what will happen when I die and same applies to other people. Don't know what happened to them before they were born and don't know what will happen when they die. But I feel there is no need making assumptions over what I do not and can never know. In this case I feel assumptions are not necessary.

Oya na end the matter since you no sabi anything.

Is that the only thing you do not know? Why then do you wish to argue over something YOU DO NOT KNOW AS IF YOU KNOW?

why parading ignorance as if it is knowledge? since you do not know what happened to your relatives who died why preach same ignorance as fact when arguing?

Oya take again

butterflylion:



Kikikikikiki so you have never met any God or interacted with any God yet you call the same person you say you have no vendetta against a dead Jew and all manner of absurdities. Yet he does not exist.

How would you be ranting over something non existent? No rant enter market o before your Madness is confirmed.

So the beliefs are not attached to God ba? How can you challenge beliefs over a non existent God? You well so?

If I call you an Ehwu now you'll start baaing and mehing like a deranged goat.

You believe that a dead Jewish hippie is God na. Show me how Jesus EXIST specifically as God in a way that is very clear, incontrovertible and objective so that I will know that you have an idea of what you are talking about. Jesus is a character in mythology andaccording to the mythology he is Gof and he created the universe. It is the story and the character of Jesus according to the mythologicalnarrative I am talking about. If my ridiculing of the mythological narrative is what you call vendetta then so be it. I can not be in a vendetta with a mythical being.

Beliefs are attached to God but Gods are not real. I challenge stories, doctrines, and different God ideas from different people. Here on this topic the OP is talking about the traditional African ideas of God which is different from the Jewish, Arabic or Mayan idea of God. It is the believers and the beliefs that they hold that I am challenging, no body as ever presented a tangible God. All that have been presented so far are beliefs.

That's why I have been telling you to point to any God that you know that exist outside human belief.

butterflylion:


Oya na end the matter since you no sabi anything.

Is that the only thing you do not know? Why then do you wish to argue over something YOU DO NOT KNOW AS IF YOU KNOW?

why parading ignorance as if it is knowledge? since you do not know what happened to your relatives who died why preach same ignorance as fact when arguing?

Oya take again

Now you have started making things up. You are an Olodo, you have no sense. What have I been preaching? Which ignorance have I been preaching to people? What is it about death have I ever preached or made any claim about?

I only challenge people's assumptions and claims about death and what they feel or assume will come after. I challenge their assumptions and claims. That's all I do. But as an Olodo I don't expect you to understand.

dalaman:


If I call you an Ehwu now you'll start baaing and mehing like a deranged goat.

You believe that a dead Jewish hippie is God na. Show me how Jesus EXIST specifically as God in a way that is very clear, incontrovertible and objective so that I will know that you have an idea of what you are talking about. Jesus is a character in mythology andaccording to the mythology he is Gof and he created the universe. It is the story and the character of Jesus according to the mythologicalnarrative I am talking about. If my ridiculing of the mythological narrative is what you call vendetta then so be it. I can not be in a vendetta with a mythical being.

Beliefs are attached to God but Gods are not real. I challenge stories, doctrines, and different God ideas from different people. Here on this topic the OP is talking about the traditional African ideas of God which is different from the Jewish, Arabic or Mayan idea of God. It is the believers and the beliefs that they hold that I am challenging, no body as ever presented a tangible God. All that have been presented so far are beliefs.

That's why I have been telling you to point to any God that you know that exist outside human belief.

Today is a day of mumuism I swear. so make I show you same thing you are convinced does not exist?

Where make I start from to dey dissect this your mumuism?

How can you even use such a word like ridicule when talking about something non existent? You can only ridicule something that can term it as ridiculous and that something must exist first before it can see your ridicule.

You said God does not exist yet you are STILL EXPECTING SOMEONE TO PRESENT THIS NON EXISTENT GOD TO YOU.

vaxx:
why then do you bring in Santa to the discussion. you should have go straight with the question.


doubting means uncertainty .if you face this issue Mathematically. you will apply law of probability. the option of chance that one is likely to be correct.

let's do the same thing here using probability.

If you have two options, out of which one is right and one is wrong the chances that you will chose the right one is half. which mean one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2)
1/2.If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% that is half.

the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 which is 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances thatyou will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2)that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%. therefore the chances of God existence and non existences mathematically is 12 percent. therefore I hold on to the 12 percent because the sciences guess for the reality of God agree with it unless it has been proven otherwise.

the Santa was an analogy.

as for the rest of your post hmmm
there is no certainty anywhere, you just choose to hold on to the probability that God might exist.

I respect your position tho

Dalaman the zombie I dey wait for your usual mumuism o.

butterflylion:




Today is a day of mumuism I swear. so make I show you same thing you are convinced does not exist?

Where make I start from to dey dissect this your mumuism?

How can you even use such a word like ridicule when talking about something non existent? You can only ridicule something that can term it as ridiculous and that something must exist first before it can see your ridicule.

You said God does not exist yet you are STILL EXPECTING SOMEONE TO PRESENT THIS NON EXISTENT GOD TO YOU.

You are an Olodo. You have no sense. I've told you specifically that nobody has presented any God to me and no God has ever interacted with me . All I have been presented to accept as God are stories and ideas. It is this stories and ideas that that I ridicule and challenge. No God has been shown to me outside stories, ideas and belief. Has anyone and presented any Jesus to me as a living being to interact with? Has any Jesus ever interacted with me personally? No. All I have been presented for Jesus are stories and ideas and it is this stories and ideas that I challenge and ridicule. God does not exist because no God has ever been presented to me and demonstrated to be God. All that has been presented are ideas that are based on stories and beliefs. I was indoctrinated and I believed before changing my mind. I am very opened to changing my mind again. I have demonstrated that I can change my mind when presented with evidence. If you know any God that exist outside human belief and show me how to interact with it to know that it is real. I will believe and accept after after doing that.

butterflylion:
Dalaman the zombie I dey wait for your usual mumuism o.

Meh shonu dia. You have no sense.

butterflylion:


Bro I will advice you to speak English the way it should be spoken and not saying things like "religion way". That shows you cannot even reason!

Okay let's talk. Does religion stop anyone from reasoning out what is beyond? Religion is already "beyond". You atheists are simply attempting to get to your own version of "beyond ".

So let me ask you a very simple elementary question.

"When you die, will you end up simply as manure and food for worms or do you expect something more"?

Sir, the teenager is struggling with something within. He just became an atheist just last week here. Go easy on him, or will just vanish. That question is too hard for him.

dalaman:


You are an Olodo. You have no sense. I've told you specifically that nobody has presented any God to me and no God has ever interacted with me . All I have been presented to accept as God are stories and ideas. It is this stories and ideas that that I ridicule and challenge. No God has been shown to me outside stories, ideas and belief. Has anyone and presented any Jesus to me as a living being to interact with? Has any Jesus ever interacted with me personally? No. All I have been presented for Jesus are stories and ideas and it is this stories and ideas that I challenge and ridicule. God does not exist because no God has ever been presented to me and demonstrated to be God. All that has been presented are ideas that are based on stories and beliefs. I was indoctrinated and I believed before changing my mind. I am very opened to changing my mind again. I have demonstrated that I can change my mind when presented with evidence. If you know any God that exist outside human belief and show me how to interact with it to know that it is real. I will believe and accept after after doing that.

You don start this your rants again ba? Olodo Olodo Olodo no go make person be Wetin e no be na

Na question I ask you.

YOU SAY SOMETHING NO DEY EXIST AND YOU ARE CONVINCED IT DOES NOT EXIST YET YOU ARE EXPECTING SOMEONE TO SHOW YOU THAT THING YOU HAVE ACCEPTED DOES NOT EXIST.

how will you recognise it when you see it?

You see why I say today na mumuism day?

701ecilana:

Sir, the teenager is struggling with something within. He just became an atheist just last week here. Go easy on him, or will just vanish. That question is too hard for him.

So he is a week old atheist?

Buahahahahahahaha

And at a week old he is telling me to reason. Mo te!

butterflylion:


So he is a week old atheist?

Buahahahahahahaha

And at a week old he is telling me to reason. Mo te!

Yeah, he became all smarty as he turn atheist yesterday. Now he is more intelligent than you being an atheist and all.

butterflylion:



Kikikikikiki so you have never met any God or interacted with any God yet you call the same person you say you have no vendetta against a dead Jew and all manner of absurdities. Yet he does not exist.

How would you be ranting over something non existent? No rant enter market o before your Madness is confirmed.

So the beliefs are not attached to God ba? How can you challenge beliefs over a non existent God? You well so?

More often than not, people talk about fictional characters as though they are real.
For instance, you could discuss movie characters and express your emotions towards such characters. That doesn't make your silly does it?

dalaman:


You are an Olodo. You have no sense. I've told you specifically that nobody has presented any God to me and no God has ever interacted with me . All I have been presented to accept as God are stories and ideas. It is this stories and ideas that that I ridicule and challenge. No God has been shown to me outside stories, ideas and belief. Has anyone and presented any Jesus to me as a living being to interact with? Has any Jesus ever interacted with me personally? No. All I have been presented for Jesus are stories and ideas and it is this stories and ideas that I challenge and ridicule. God does not exist because no God has ever been presented to me and demonstrated to be God. All that has been presented are ideas that are based on stories and beliefs.I was indoctrinated and I believed before changing my mind. I am very opened to changing my mind again. I have demonstrated that I can change my mind when presented with evidence. If you know any God that exist outside human belief and show me how to interact with it to know that it is real. I will believe and accept after after doing that.

So from being totally sure God does not exist you are now saying that perhaps God exists and you are open to changing your mind when proof of his existence is shown you yet you still insist he cannot possibly exist because he is a man made idea! Mumuism day confirmed!

So dem indoctrinate you ba? What if the other evidence you get shown is also another indoctrination method? How would you be able to tell what indoctrination is and what it is not?

purem:


U can say that when u av been brainwashed.

See this Child. I'm suspecting you are gay and needs a place to hide. If you bring it here, i will tear your ass.

701ecilana:

Yeah, he became all smarty as he turn atheist yesterday. Now he is more intelligent than you being an atheist and all.

Ahhhhh. His confusion just tripled.

701ecilana:

See this Child. I'm suspecting you are gay and needs a place to hide. If you bring it here, i will tear your ass.

Oluwa oooo

butterflylion:



You don start this your rants again ba? Olodo Olodo Olodo no go make person be Wetin e no be na

Na question I ask you.

YOU SAY SOMETHING NO DEY EXIST AND YOU ARE CONVINCED IT DOES NOT EXIST YET YOU ARE EXPECTING SOMEONE TO SHOW YOU THAT THING YOU HAVE ACCEPTED DOES NOT EXIST.

how will you recognise it when you see it?

You see why I say today na mumuism day?

I am calling you and Olodo because you are one. You deliberately don't want to understand what I am saying.

Let me break it down for you once again. I do not believe and I have stated the reasons why I do not believe. If you can convince me, I'll believe. If you can show me and convince me that my reasons for unbelief is wrong by providing strong and incontrovertible evidence for me to believe, I will believe.

DeSepiero:


More often than not, people talk about fictional characters as though they are real.
For instance, you could discuss movie characters and express your emotions towards such characters. That doesn't make your silly does it?

Sorry matured minds do not get all emotional over fictional characters.

I hope you realise that fictional means imaginary. Why should I get emotional over an imaginary character?

Only children do that. Not adults! E be like say you still dey play police and thief.

butterflylion:
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So from being totally sure God does not exist you are now saying that perhaps God exists and you are open to changing your mind when proof of his existence is shown you yet you still insist he cannot possibly exist because he is a man made idea! Mumuism day confirmed!

So dem indoctrinate you ba? What if the other evidence you get shown is also another indoctrination method? How would you be able to tell what indoctrination is and what it is not?

I have told you why I believe God does not exist. Now you are making your own claims and running commentary on them. Na you sabi.

True, I was indoctrinated, I was indoctrinated with stpries, ideas and beliefs. I was never presented with any God to interact with, all I was presented with were stories, ideas and beliefs and I was made to accept them.

If any body can show me any God that exist on its own outside stories and human belief and how to intreact with it in ways that are clear I'll believe. But so far all the Gods I see are just the ones that exist in forms of stories and beliefs. No God has ever been shown to exist outside them.

dalaman:


I am calling you and Olodo because you are one. You deliberately don't want to understand what I am saying.

Let me break it down for you once again. I do not believe and I have stated the reasons why I do not believe. If you can convince me, I'll believe. If you can show me and convince me that my reasons for unbelief is wrong by providing strong and incontrovertible evidence for me to believe, I will believe.

You are not making any sense that is why no amount of mental effort will make me see sense in nonsense.

You are convinced God does not exist yet you want me to CONVINCE you against your earlier stand? Who convinced you before that God does not exist?

Nobody forced you to believe God does not exist and you cannot force anybody to show you evidence contrary to what you already chose to believe.

No time niggah! Who your belief epp?

butterflylion:



Sorry matured minds do not get all emotional over fictional characters.

I hope you realise that fictional means imaginary. Why should I get emotional over an imaginary character?

Only children do that. Not adults! E be like say you still dey play police and thief.

Some muslims happily wrap bombs round themselves and go on suicide missions based on the fictional belief that the will get to paradise have endless sex with many heavenly virgins, swim in rivers of wine, live in gild littered streets, and on and on. They do not only get emotional, they kill people because of this fictional belief. So what exactly are you saying again? If I call you an Olodo now you'll start baaing and mehing.

dalaman:


Some muslims happily wrap bombs round themselves and go on suicide missions based on the fictional belief that the will get to paradise have endless sex with many heavenly virgins, swim in rivers of wine, live in gild littered streets, and on and on. They do not only get emotional, they kill people because of this fictional belief. So what exactly are you saying again? If I call you an Olodo now you'll start baaing and mehing.

As expected the zombie repeats the word FICTIONAL. by the way you sabi say I no be Muslim so Wetin come concern me with that mumuism wey you type up there?

If na Islam be your headache enter Muslim section with your shakabula and fire away.

Only Zombie go use Islam address a Christian.

butterflylion:



You are not making any sense that is why no amount of mental effort will make me see sense in nonsense.

You are convinced God does not exist yet you want me to CONVINCE you against your earlier stand? Who convinced you before that God does not exist?

Nobody forced you to believe God does not exist and you cannot force anybody to show you evidence contrary to what you already chose to believe.

No time niggah! Who your belief epp?

Just showing you that I can change my mind and I do not have any vendetta against any God as you earlier accused me.

I can not have any vendetta with what doesn't exist. I can have vendetta with people that BELIEVE in God. Those are the ones that are real and I interact with.

butterflylion:


As expected the zombie repeats the word FICTIONAL. by the way you sabi say I no be Muslim so Wetin come concern me with that mumuism wey you type up there?

If na Islam be your headache enter Muslim section with your shakabula and fire away.

Only Zombie go use Islam address a Christian.

You are a new breed of stupid. You said matured minds do not get all emotional over fictional characters. You said only kids do that and I showed you how matured muslim men not only get emotional but kill themselves and others over fictional places.

dalaman:


Just showing you that I can change my mind and I do not have any vendetta against any God as you earlier accused me.

I can not have any vendetta with what doesn't exist. I can have vendetta with people that BELIEVE in God. Those are the ones that are real and I interact with.

You did not show me anything. All you showed me were confused and conflicting statements. You are convinced something does not exist yet you are expecting someone to show you what you are already convinced does not exist. How then would you recognise anything as that something you say does not exist?

So you have a Vendetta against people that believe in the same God you say does not exist ba?

You are the true definition of DELUSION!

dalaman:


You are a new breed of stupid. You said matured minds do not get all emotional over fictional characters. You said only kids do that and I showed you how matured muslim men not only get emotional but kill themselves and others over fictional places.

Carry your shakabula enter Muslim section since you want to use them to cite an example to a Christian when both faiths have no meeting point.

Kontinu with your mumuism.

butterflylion:



Sorry matured minds do not get all emotional over fictional characters.

I hope you realise that fictional means imaginary. Why should I get emotional over an imaginary character?

Only children do that. Not adults! E be like say you still dey play police and thief.

It's good to know that you don't get emotional over fictional characters and as such, you feel that only children do that; that doesn't take away the fact that a significant number of adults do. Check out the fan page of movies like Game of thrones.

vaxx:
I am so much interested with the atheist website for weeks now. the websites(withheld) are full of brilliant views and logic analysis to debunk the believe of Christian and Muslim god. I try as much as possible to look for an atheist website that has anything to do with African traditional faith, but it seems non exist. .......... I will like to have a friendly discussion with any willing nairaland atheist. most of you guys here on nairaland are brilliant. the subject of the discussion can be on anything interesting. Christian and Muslim are all welcome. and likewise my African traditionalist can contribute. babalawo .you are invited.

I find the steady degradation of African traditional religions and divinatory methods that were once highly stylised methods and doctrines rather sad, people are no longer able to distinguish between what are symbolisms and practices. For instance, the Ifa divinatory method along with the Chinese I’ching system are amongst the oldest most primordial divinatory methods known to man, they are not derivative of other systems and are a paradigm unto themselves.

Personally I experience the ATR divinities as reflections of the Divine nature of the universe. For me, these divinities do not exactly live on earth, they exist in a hidden place described by many as the spirit world. They may come onto the earth when they desire, they may enter humans or animals, and they may take influence over human souls as well. What I have found is that many of these ATR divinities transcend the local cultures.

I discovered and encountered Yemoja, the Goddess I describe as ‘mother’ She is symbolised by the moon and ocean, she is a divine protector of women with children and she can wreak havoc when provoked to action she described to me her many incarnations in other cultures, distant and even that yet to come, she belongs to the world, she is patriarch of the keepers of the earth, we spoke for ages, her sentinel the wolf remains with me.

I encountered the sensual Osun Goddess of freshwater, love and harmony this first encounter with her was in her form of a terrifying visage of a dragon with flaming eyes scaring the living daylights out of me, she jokingly mused that if she had appeared as a desirable woman I would not have taken her seriously!

After much entreaty I encountered a most private of Divinities well described in the Yoruba pantheon. This last God whose visage I will not even describe is master of wisdom, creative forces, sacred earth and life. He revealed his forms predating the Judaeo Christian faith, he revealed his forms within the Judaeo Christian faith, the Hindu faith, Jainism, and others whilst I simply wept. He is possessed of thousands of indigenous embodiments, many have worshipped him as their supreme God.

Many of the creation stories of the ATR’s are sublime beyond imagination.

DeSepiero:


It's good to know that you don't get emotional over fictional characters and as such, you feel that only children do that; that doesn't take away the fact that a significant number of adults do. Check out the fan page of movies like Game of thrones.

Sorry I do not waste my time on such. Money must be made man. No time to say no time.

Those who go crazy over movies which are not based on real life events are simply not yet mature.

butterflylion:


You did not show me anything. All you showed me were confused and conflicting statements. You are convinced something does not exist yet you are expecting someone to show you what you are already convinced does not exist. How then would you recognise anything as that something you say does not exist?

So you have a Vendetta against people that believe in the same God you say does not exist ba?

You are the true definition of DELUSION!

You keep displaying you Olodo credentials.

I've never been presented with incontrovertible proof or evidence.All I have been presented with are stories, ideas and beliefs. I will if I am presented with one. Just saying.

I said I can have vendetta with people that believe in God. They have not shown that their God exist, they only believe that their God exist. I can argue with them and even have vendetta with them but I can't have any with their God because it hasn't been shown to exist by them. They have shown that they have beliefs bit that is where it begins and ends. No believer has been able to show that God exist outside their beliefs.