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| Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 8:02am On Feb 25, 2018 |
Example 1 Let's imagine that I tell you the following story: There is a man who lives at the North Pole. He lives there with his wife and a bunch of elves. During the year, he and the elves build toys. Then, on Christmas Eve, he loads up a sack with all the toys. He puts the sack in his sleigh. He hitches up eight (or possibly nine) flying reindeer. He then flies from house to house, landing on the rooftops of each one. He gets out with his sack and climbs down the chimney. He leaves toys for the children of the household. He climbs back up the chimney, gets back in his sleigh, and flies to the next house. He does this all around the world in one night. Then he flies back to the North Pole to repeat the cycle next year. This, of course, is the story of Santa Claus. But let's say that I am an adult, and I am your friend, and I reveal to you that I believe that this story is true. I believe it with all my heart. And I try to talk about it with you and convert you to believe it as I do. What would you think of me? You would think that I am delusional, and rightly so. Why do you think that I am delusional? It is because you know that Santa is imaginary. The story is a total fairy tale. No matter how much I talk to you about Santa, you are not going to believe that Santa is real. Flying reindeer, for example, are make-believe. The dictionary defines delusion as, "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence." That definition fits perfectly. Since you are my friend, you might try to help me realize that my belief in Santa is delusional. The way that you would try to shake me from my delusion is to ask me some questions. For example, you might say to me: "But how can the sleigh carry enough toys for everyone in the world?" I say to you that the sleigh is magical. It has the ability to do this intrinsically. "How does Santa get into houses and apartments that don't have chimneys?" I say that Santa can make chimneys appear, as shown to all of us in the movie The Santa Clause. "How does Santa get down the chimney if there's a fire in the fireplace?" I say that Santa has a special flame-resistantsuit, and it cleans itself too. "Why doesn't the security system detect Santa?" Santa is invisible to security systems. "How can Santa travel fast enough to visit every child in one night?" Santa is timeless. "How can Santa know whether every child has been bad or good?" Santa is omniscient. "Why are the toys distributed so unevenly? Why does Santa deliver more toys to rich kids, even if they are bad, than he ever gives to poor kids?" There is no way for us to understand the mysteries of Santa because we are mere mortals, but Santa has his reasons. For example, perhaps poor children would be unable to handle a flood of expensive electronic toys. How would they afford the batteries? So Santa spares them this burden. These are all quite logical questions that you have asked. I have answered all of them for you. I am wondering why you can't see what I see, and you are wondering how I can be so insane. Why didn't my answers satisfy you? Why do you still know that I am delusional? It is because my answers have done nothing but confirm my delusion. My answers are ridiculous. In order to answer your questions, I invented, completely out of thin air, a magical sleigh, a magical self-cleaning suit, magical chimneys, "timelessness" and magical invisibility. You don't believe my answers because you know that I am making this stuff up. The invalidating evidence is voluminous. Now let me show you another example... https://godisimaginary.com 1 Like |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 8:08am On Feb 25, 2018 |
https://godisimaginary.com/i7.htm Example 2 Imagine that I tell you the following story: I was in my room one night. Suddenly, my room became exceedingly bright. Next thing I know there is an angel in my room. He tells me an amazing story. He says that there is a set of ancient golden plates buried in the side of a hill in New York. On them are the books of a lost race of Jewish people who inhabited North America. These plates bear inscriptions in the foreign language of these people. Eventually the angel leads me to the plates and lets me take them home. Even though the plates are in a foreign language, the angel helps me to decipher and translate them. Then the plates are taken up into heaven, never to be seen again. I have the book that I translated from the plates. It tells of amazing things -- an entire civilization of Jewish people living here in the United States 2,000 years ago. And the resurrected Jesus came and visited these people! I also showed the golden plates to a number of real people who are my eye witnesses, and I have their signed attestations that they did, in fact, see and touch the plates before the plates were taken up into heaven. Now, what would you say to me about this story? Even though I do have a book, in English, that tells the story of this lost Jewish civilization, and even though I do have the signed attestations, what do you think? This story sounds delusional, doesn't it? You would ask some obvious questions. For example, at the very simplest level, you might ask, "Where are the ruins and artifacts from this Jewish civilization in America?" The book transcribed from the plates talks about millions of Jewish people doing all kinds of things in America. They have horses and oxen and chariots and armor and large cities. What happened to all of this? I answer simply: it is all out there, but we have not found it yet. "Not one city? Not one chariot wheel? Not one helmet?" you ask. No, we haven't found a single bit of evidence, but it is out there somewhere. You ask me dozens of questions like this, and I have answers for them all. Most people would assume that I am delusional if I told them this story. They would assume that there were no plates and no angel, and that I had written the book myself. Most people would ignore the attestations -- having people attest to it means nothing, really. I could have paid the attesters off, or I could have fabricated them. Most people would reject my story without question. What's interesting is that there are millions of people who actually do believe this story of the angel and the plates and the book and the Jewish people living in North America 2,000 years ago. Those millions of people are members of the Mormon Church, headquartered in Salt Lake City, Utah. The person who told this incredible story was a man named Joseph Smith, and he lived in the United States in the early 1800s. He told his story, and recorded what he "translated from the plates", in the Book of Mormon. If you meet a Mormon and ask them about this story, they can spend hours talking to you about it. They can answer every question you have. Yet the 5.99 billion of us who are not Mormons can see with total clarity that the Mormons are delusional. It is as simple as that. You and I both know with 100% certainty that the Mormon story is no different from the story of Santa. And we are correct in our assessment. The invalidating evidence is voluminous. https://godisimaginary.com/i7.htm |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 8:15am On Feb 25, 2018 |
https://godisimaginary.com/i7.htm Example 3 Imagine that I tell you this story: A man was sitting in a cave minding his own business. A very bright flash of light appeared. A voice spoke out one word: "Read!" The man felt like he was being squeezed to death. This happened several times. Then the man asked, "What should I read?" The voice said, "Read in the name of your Lord who created humans from a clinging [zygote]. Read for your Lord is the most generous. He taught people by the pen what they didn't know before." The man ran home to his wife. While running home, he saw the huge face of an angel in the sky. The angel told the man that he was to be the messenger of God. The angel also identified himself as Gabriel. At home that night, the angel appeared to the man in his dreams. Gabriel appeared to the man over and over again. Sometimes it was in dreams, sometimes during the day as "revelations in his heart," sometimes preceded by a painful ringing in his ears (and then the verses would flow from Gabriel right out of the man), and sometimes Gabriel would appear in the flesh and speak. Scribes wrote down everything the man said. Then, one night about 11 years after the first encounter with Gabriel, Gabriel appeared to the man with a magical horse. The man got on the horse, and the horse took him to Jerusalem. Then the winged horse took the man up to the seven layers of heaven. The man was able to actually see heaven and meet and talk with people there. Then Gabriel brought the man back to earth. The man proved that he had actually been to Jerusalem on the winged horse by accurately answering questions about buildings and landmarks there. The man continued receiving the revelations from Gabriel for 23 years, and then they stopped. All of the revelations were recorded by the scribes in a book which we still have today. [Source: "Understanding Islam" by Yahiya Emerick, Alpha press, 2002] What do you make of this story? If you have never heard the story before, you may find it to be nonsensical in the same way that you feel about the stories of the golden plates and Santa. You would especially feel that way once you read the book that was supposedly transcribed from Gabriel, because much of it is opaque. The dreams, the horse, the angel, the ascension, and the appearances of the angel in the flesh -- you would dismiss them all because it is all imaginary. But you need to be careful. This story is the foundation of the Muslim religion, practiced by more than a billion people around the world. The man is named Mohammed, and the book is the Koran (also spelled Qur'an or Qur'aan). This is the sacred story of the Koran's creation and the revelation of Allah to mankind. Despite the fact that a billion Muslims profess some level of belief in this story, people outside the Muslim faith consider the story to be imaginary. No one believes this story because this story is a fairy tale. They consider the Koran to be a book written by a man and nothing more. A winged horse that flew to heaven? That is imaginary -- as imaginary as flying reindeer. If you are a Christian, please take a moment right now to look back at the Mormon and Muslim stories. Why is it so easy for you to look at these stories and see that they are imaginary fairy tales? How do you know, with complete certainty, that Mormons and Muslims are delusional? You know these things for the same reason you know that Santa is imaginary. There is no evidence for any of it. The stories involve magical things like angels and winged horses, hallucinations,dreams. Horses cannot fly -- we all know that. And even if they could, where would the horse fly to? The vacuum of space? Or is the horse somehow "dematerialized" and then "rematerialized" in heaven? If so, those processes are made up too. Every bit of it is imaginary. We all know that. An unbiased observer can see how imaginary these three stories are. In addition, Muslims can see that Mormons are delusional, Mormons can see that Muslims are delusional. https://godisimaginary.com/i7.htm |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 8:21am On Feb 25, 2018 |
https://godisimaginary.com/i7.htm One final example Now let me tell you one final story: God inseminated a virgin named Mary, in order to bring his son incarnate into our world. Mary and her fianc�, Joseph, had to travel to Bethlehem to register for the census. There Mary gave birth to the Son of God. God put a star in the sky to guide people to the baby. In a dream God told Joseph to take his family to Egypt. Then God stood by and watched as Herod killed thousands and thousands of babies in Israel in an attempt to kill Jesus. As a man, God's son claimed that he was God incarnate: "I am the way, the truth and the life," he said . This man performed many miracles. He healed lots of sick people. He turned water into wine. These miracles prove that he is God. But he was eventually given the death sentence and killed by crucifixion. His body was placed in a tomb. But three days later, the tomb was empty. And the man, alive once again but still with his wounds (so anyone who doubted could see them and touch them), appeared to many people in many places. Then he ascended into heaven and now sits at the right hand of God the father almighty, never to be seen again. Today you can have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus. You can pray to this man and he will answer your prayers. He will cure your diseases, rescue you from emergencies, help you make important business and family decisions, comfort you in times of worry and grief, etc. This man will also give you eternal life, and if you are good he has a place for you in heaven after you die. The reason we know all this is because, after the man died, four people named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote accounts of the man's life. Their written attestations are proof of the veracity of this story. This, of course, is the story of Jesus. Do you believe this story? If you are a Christian, you probably do. I could ask you questions for hours and you will have answers for every one of them, in just the same way that I had answers for all of the Santa questions that my friend asked me in Example 1. You cannot understand how anyone could question any of it, because it is so obvious to you. Here is the thing that I would like to help you understand: The four billion people who are not Christians look at the Christian story in exactly the same way that you look at the Santa story, the Mormon story and the Muslim story. In other words, there are four billion people who stand outside of the Christian bubble, and they can see reality clearly. The fact is, the Christian story is completely imaginary. How do the four billion non-Christians know, with complete certainty, that the Christian story is imaginary? Because the Christian story is just like the Santa story, the Mormon story and the Muslim story. There is the magical insemination, the magical star, the magical dreams, the magical miracles, the magical resurrection, the magical ascension and so on. People outside the Christian faith look at the Christian story and note these facts: The miracles are supposed to "prove" that Jesus is God, but, predictably, these miracles left behind no tangible evidence for us to examine and scientifically verify today. They all involved faith healings and magic tricks. Jesus is resurrected, but, predictably, he does not appear to anyone today. Jesus ascended into heaven and answers our prayers, but, predictably, when we pray to him nothing happens. We can statistically analyse prayer and find that prayers are never answered. The book where Matthew, Mark, Luke and John make their attestations does exist, but, predictably, it is chock full of problems and contradictions. And so on. In other words, the Christian story is a fairly tale, just like the other three examples we have examined. Now, look at what is happening inside your mind at this moment. I am using solid, verifiable evidence to show you that the Christian story is imaginary. Your rational mind can see the evidence. Four billion non-Christians would be happy to confirm for you that the Christian story is imaginary. However, if you are a practicing Christian, you can probably feel your "religious mind" overriding both your rational mind and your common sense as we speak. Why? Why were you able to use your common sense to so easily reject the Santa story, the Mormon story and the Muslim story, but when it comes to the Christian story, which is just as imaginary, you are not? https://godisimaginary.com/i7.htm |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by butterflyl1on: 8:38am On Feb 25, 2018 |
BlackManta: OP one thing always stands out when it comes to issues of this nature. It is called EXPERIENCE! self witnessed EXPERIENCE! how do you know a meal would be delicious? Either through smell or taste. How do you know a colour is beautiful? Through sight! How do you know something is gentle, smooth or rough? Through touch! All these senses, work with your mind to create what we call COMMON SENSE and give you a decision on what you have just EXPERIENCED! so there is no delusion in Christianity because we have tasted, felt, seen etc the goodness, glory, power, grace, mercy, love of Jehovah our God. So your entire post deserves to be tossed in the rubbish bin so let me do the honours.  1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 8:46am On Feb 25, 2018 |
Try, just for a moment, to look at Christianity with the same amount of healthy skepticism that you used when approaching the stories of Santa, Joseph Smith and Mohammed. Use your common sense to ask some very simple questions of yourself: Is there any physical evidence that Jesus existed? - No. He left no trace. His body "ascended into heaven." He wrote nothing down. None of his "miracles" left any permanent evidence. There is, literally, nothing. Is there any reason to believe that Jesus actually performed these miracles, or that he rose from the dead, or that he ascended into heaven? - There is no more of a reason to believe this than there is to believe that Joseph Smith found the golden plates hidden in New York, or that Mohammed rode on a magical winged horse to heaven. Probably less of a reason, given that the record of Jesus' life is 2,000 years old, while that of Joseph Smith is less than 200 years old. You mean to tell me that I am supposed to believe this story of Jesus, and there is no proof or evidence to go by beyond a few attestations in the New Testament of a Bible that is provably meaningless? - Yes, you are supposed to believe it. You are supposed to take it on "faith." No one (besides little kids) believes in Santa Claus. No one outside the Mormon church believes Joseph Smith's story. No one outside the Muslim faith believes the story of Mohammed and Gabriel and the winged horse. No one outside the Christian faith believes in Jesus' divinity, miracles, resurrection, etc. Therefore, the question I would ask you to consider right now is simple: Why is it that human beings can detect fairy tales with complete certainty when those fairy tales come from other faiths, but they cannot detect the fairy tales that underpin their own faith? Why do they believe their chosen fairy tale with unrelenting passion and reject the others as nonsense? For example: Christians know that when the Egyptians built gigantic pyramids and mummified the bodies of their pharaohs, that it was a total waste of time -- otherwise Christians would build pyramids. Christians know that when the Aztecs carved the heart out of a virgin and ate it, that it accomplished nothing -- otherwise Christians would kill virgins. Christians know that when Muslims face Mecca to pray, that it is pointless -- otherwise Christians would face Mecca when they pray. Christians know that when Jews keep meat and dairy products separate, that they are wasting their time -- otherwise the cheeseburger would not be an American obsession. Yet, when Christians look at their own religion, they are for some reason blind. Why? And no, it has nothing to do with the fact that the Christian story is true. Your rational mind knows that with certainty, and so do four billion others. This article, if you will let it, can tell you why. A simple experiment If you are a Christian who believes in the power of prayer, here is a very simple experiment that will show you something very interesting about your faith. Take a coin out of your pocket. Now pray sincerely to Ra: Dear Ra, almighty sun god, I am going to flip this ordinary coin 50 times, and I am asking you to cause it to land heads-side-up all 50 times. In Ra's name I pray, Amen. Now flip the coin. Chances are that you won't get past the fifth or sixth flip and the coin will land tails. What does this mean? Most people would look at this data and conclude that Ra is imaginary. We prayed to Ra, and Ra did nothing. We can prove that Ra is imaginary (at least in the sense of prayer-answering ability) by using statistical analysis. If we flip the coin thousands of times, praying to Ra each time, we will find that the coin lands heads or tails in exact correlation with the normal laws of probability. Ra has absolutely no effect on the coin no matter how much we pray. Even if we find a thousand of Ra's most faithful believers and ask them to do the praying/flipping, the results will be the same. Therefore, as rational people, we conclude that Ra is imaginary. We look at Ra in the same way that we look at Leprechauns, Mermaids, Santa and so on. We know that people who believe in Ra are delusional. Now I want you to try the experiment again, but this time I want you to pray to Jesus Christ instead of Ra. Pray sincerely to Jesus like this: 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by butterflyl1on: 8:52am On Feb 25, 2018 |
BlackManta: If indeed all this you claim are imaginary why waste so much energy on it trying to refute it? Is your energy also imaginary? Your post keeps getting trashed.  1 Like |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 9:02am On Feb 25, 2018 |
Now I want you to try the experiment again, but this time I want you to pray to Jesus Christ instead of Ra. Pray sincerely to Jesus like this: Dear Jesus, I know that you exist and I know that you hear and answer prayers as you promise in the Bible. I am going to flip this ordinary coin 50 times, and I am asking you to cause it to land heads-side-up all 50 times. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen. Now flip the coin. Once again, after the fifth or sixth flip, the coin will land tails. If we flip the coin thousands of times, praying to Jesus each time, we will find that the coin lands heads or tails in exact correlation with the normal laws of probability. It is not like there are two laws of probability -- one for Christians who pray and the other for non-Christians.There is only one law of probability because prayers have zero effect. Jesus has no effect on our planet no matter how much we pray. We can prove that conclusively using statistical analysis. If you are a Christian, watch what is happening inside your mind right now. The data is absolutely identical in both experiments. With Ra you looked at the data rationally and concluded that Ra is imaginary. But with Jesus... something else will happen. In your mind, you are already coming up with a thousand rationalizations to explain why Jesus did not answer your prayers: It is not his will He doesn't have time I didn't pray the right way I am not worthy I do not have enough faith I cannot test the Lord like this It is not part of Jesus' plan for me And on and on and on... One rationalizationthat you may find yourself developing is particularly interesting. You may say to yourself: �Well, of course Jesus doesn�t answer me when I pray about a coin toss, because it is too trivial." Where did this rationalization come from? If you read what Jesus says about prayer in the Bible , Jesus does not ever say, "don't pray to me about coin tosses." Jesus clearly says he will answer your prayers, and he puts no boundaries on what you may pray for. You invented this rationalizationout of thin air. If you are a Christian who is offended by the notion of praying about a coin toss, then let's try this instead. Get down on your knees right now and pray as follows: "Dear Jesus, son of God, the almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. Please hear our heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer and fulfill your promises in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19, Mark 9:23, Luke 1:37, James 5:15-16 and many other places. We pray knowing that when you answer this prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. In your name we pray, Amen." Will every case of cancer be gone tomorrow? Of course not. If you are a believer, you can create dozens of rationalizations for this unanswered prayer. But that does not change the reality of the situation. You are an expert at creating rationalizations for Jesus. The reason you are an expert is because Jesus does not answer any of your prayers . The reason why Jesus does not answer any of your prayers is because Jesus is imaginary. We can find dozens of pieces of evidence to demonstrate that the Christian story is imaginary. What this simple experiment shows us is fascinating. When we pray to Ra and nothing happens over thousands of trials, we look at the data rationally and we conclude that Ra is imaginary. But when you pray to Jesus and nothing happens, you do not reach the same conclusion. Instead, you try to rationalize all the reasons why Jesus did not answer your prayers. Ask yourself this simple question: why the difference? Why do you, as a "believer", behave in a completely irrational way? |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by butterflyl1on: 9:07am On Feb 25, 2018 |
Hahn here is a tribute to you. 1 Like
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| Re: Christianity And Delusion by enilove(m): 9:11am On Feb 25, 2018 |
BlackManta: You are wrong. God knew there will be your types , He therefore commanded those events to be written down as evidences . He also knew that despite being written down , there will still be some that will still call it fairy tales , therefore , God said in : 1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. Yes , it is the power of God. Let me tell you a TRUE STORY: I had an accident when I was 7 or 8 years old , not motor accudent ,which affected my private part . Since that age till I was around 32 years old I used to see blood in my urine. There was nothing the doctors could do , intact they could not see anything wrong with me. There was an harbarlist that saw it at "Lagos state channel 7 traditional gathering " and was very scared and quickly sent me away . But there came a day I met with the miracle working God at the RCCG redemption camp. As the service was going on , the Pastor that was ministering asked us to lay our hands on any part we had affliction, I did as I was told and since then no more single drop of blood.That is over 20 years now. This pastor was not pastor Adeboye and he never met me b4 and it was my first time to visit the camp. That is the power of God. I can count about 3 near death experiences which if not for God I would have died . These were spiritual attacks but God saved me by His power. Op, Christianity is not any how religion. If you know the God of the Christians ,even the devil will be powerless b4 you. Jesus Christ is REAL and without him you and any unbelievers are doomed for life. It is the plain truth. 1 Like |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by butterflyl1on: 9:14am On Feb 25, 2018 |
enilove: Now this confirms my post about EXPERIENCE. God bless you real good. 2 Likes |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by enilove(m): 9:52am On Feb 25, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Thanks. God bless you , in the name of Jesus. |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by enilove(m): 9:52am On Feb 25, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:Thanks. God bless you , in the name of Jesus. |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by DeSepiero(m): 9:58am On Feb 25, 2018 |
If you're open minded, you'll not dismiss every bible occurrence as fairy tale. cc Blackmanta |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 10:31am On Feb 25, 2018 |
DeSepiero: If you are just as open minded as you are with bible stories, you wouldn't dismiss the story of a snake that swallowed 36m in jamb office as a fairytale. 1 Like |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by DeSepiero(m): 10:38am On Feb 25, 2018 |
BlackManta: To be open-minded to a claim doesn't immediately translate to acceptance of that claim. Did you know that? |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 11:04am On Feb 25, 2018 |
enilove:  You christians always think that you're the only ones that expirience miracles. It is normal to survive an accident or a near death expirience. People have been surviving accidents before you were born. Both christians, muslims, hindus, jews, traditionalists have survived a near death expirience and attributed it as a miracle from their respective gods. My muslim friend survived an accident last year, he called it a miracle from almighty Allah and praised Allah for his awesome power. What can you say about that  An average christian would say that the muslim guy was lucky and Allah does not exist. But if the christian survives an accident. You will tag it a miracle from Jesus. Can you see the double standard now Christians and non christians have been surving accidents. My grandfather who worships Amadioha survived an accident in late 90's. He saw it as a miracle from Amadioha. The average christian would think he is deluded. But the point is ...non christians and Amadioha worshippers have expirienced miracles (placebo) Can we now say that it is a proof that their gods exists Your answer would be NO. So why should i believe that your near death expirience survival is proof that your own god exist Why Your delusion is biased and one sided. You become rational and apply common sense when dealing with muslim or traditional beliefs. But you suddenly become delusional when it concerns your religion. My uncle is an Amadioha worshipper. He fought in the civil war. He could recount how many times he had survived bombs and bullets. He believed that Amadioha saved him and kept him alive. What can you say about his own expirience concerning his own god It is delusion when is about other gods. But it is not delusion if my uncle was christian. That is DELUSION. 1 Like |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 11:13am On Feb 25, 2018 |
DeSepiero: But you are open minded and you accept bible stories as TRUTH and not fairytales. Why You are open minded and you refused to accept the story of a snake that swallowed 36m BUT You are willing to accept bible stories. I smell bias and double standard. Why |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by DeSepiero(m): 11:26am On Feb 25, 2018 |
BlackManta: Don't let your iconoclasm towards Christianity becloud your reasoning young man. I haven't said that I accepted bible stories as truth so don't misconstrue. Let me rephrase my thoughts because apparently, you're having troubles sinking it in. When you're open-minded, you shouldn't be quick to dismiss a claim. This doesn't also mean you've accepted the claim. Openmindedness allows one to consider 'critically' the possibilities in a claim. This allows you to analyze the claim from different perspectives and possibly find what aspects of a claim is correct, wrong and probable. In your skepticism, do you feel that everything and I mean every single story in the bible is completely false? |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by danvon(m): 11:27am On Feb 25, 2018 |
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| Re: Christianity And Delusion by danvon(m): 11:28am On Feb 25, 2018 |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 12:02pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
DeSepiero: The bible is a book of fairytales. Most of the stories are false. I didn't just say it is false, i applied common sense and critical thinking to arrive at such conclusion. And i can tell you that most of the stories are bullshit. Now do you think every story in the bible is true |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by DeSepiero(m): 12:22pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
BlackManta: Seems you're following now. In your OPINION, 'most' bible stories are false...at least not all (some are perhaps true). How you arrived at this conclusion is somewhat of more concern. Critical thought you say. Yours could be ridden with some logical fallacies also. That notwithstanding, you may be correct or wrong. Of course fallacious arguments could still be true. Well, I don't think all Bible stories are true in the sense of the word. We could look at a couple of these bullshit stories. Will you? |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by butterflyl1on: 12:32pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
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| Re: Christianity And Delusion by butterflyl1on: 12:33pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
BlackManta: You are asking Christians to think for themselves and logically assess something while you copied everything you posted from a website. https://godisimaginary.com/i41.htm I guess you cannot even think for yourself and depends on others to do so for you. Your own double standards and bias and delusion is beyond measure. 1 Like |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 12:41pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
DeSepiero: when i say "MOST"...i'm talking about the stories that i analysed. SOME PERHAPS ARE TRUE...that is your opinion not mine. Just because a bible story have not been added to my "MOST" category...that doesn't mean i think it is true. Like i said before...i analyse a story with logic and critical thinking before judging it as true or false. The bible is a big book and i have not analysed and judged every story. That is why i didn't generalize and i used the word MOST instead of ALL. So dont think that i believe some are true. Cuz i DONT. Biblical creation story...BULLSHIT. Exodous story....BULLSHIT. Jesus miracles....BULLSHIT. Talking donkey...BULLSHIT. Jonah Story.....BULLSHIT. Old testament miracles...BULLSHIT. The great flood....BULLSHIT. Virgin Birth....BULLSHIT. Ascension....BULLSHIT. Talking snake....BULLSHIT. Sodom and Gomorah...BULLSHIT. The list goes on.... |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by DeSepiero(m): 1:18pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
BlackManta: Interesting! Talking about your analysis, what's your opinion on this: Should an event be dismissed as falsity due to a misrepresentation? |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by SaviTar(m): 1:25pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
DeSepiero: Are you saying that those stories he deemed BULLSHIT were mininterpreted by him |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by DeSepiero(m): 1:28pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
SaviTar: I'm asking if a story should be regarded as false because the storytellers misrepresented some events in the story? |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 1:31pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
DeSepiero: What is your point I gave examples of stories that are pure falsehood and you suddenly talking about misinterpretations. If you think i misinterpreted it, tell me WHY and HOW. And give me the correct interpretation if you think mine is incorrect. |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by DeSepiero(m): 1:38pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
BlackManta: My point is: If a bible story should be regarded as false because the bible storytellers misrepresented some events in the story? Misrepresentation is largely possible due to the limited knowledge ancient men had about occurrences. |
| Re: Christianity And Delusion by BlackManta(m): 1:45pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
DeSepiero: Did the event really happen Was the stories real An event has to be real before you consider the possibility of misinterpretation. Do you think it's real cuz i DONT. |
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