Lomprico2:


And is that spirit spouse?

How can?
There are several types of spirits that can manifest spirit spouse is just one class.

So, will you pls answer the question.

daveP:
Mark focused his writings on Deliverance. So the deliverance ministry does exist.

Bring verses please.

TolaTosin:
hahhahaja, bros let me lecture you.

When u watch pornoo you open your mind to the devil, u watch horror movies,listen to bad news, read worldly magazine and even watch Big brother Naija you are opening your mind to the devil.

If you live in strive, anger, bitterness, hatred, selfishness , you are opening your heart to the devil

Are you hearing me sir.


If you are truly born again no family demon can posses you, so u are wrong in that too

bro dnt u think I should b d one lecturing on d disadvantages of doing d above mentioned things? Am more experience n mature in controlling those things

Hostel:
when annointing is no more effective many preacher started falling into error and saying rubbish..You said there is no demon bcux you lacks power to cast out demons...I just pity people following this blind servant of satan.

Oponu ni e. Did you even watch the video at all? The problem with many people is that they try to use people's experiences to determine of God's word is true or not....hmmmm...I know that is even too deep for you.

TolaTosin:



Hahahjajajaja

This ur mentality is setting you up for destruction.

If u challenged your pastor then u don't know the scriptures.

Lemme lecture you , you quoted a demon restraining an angel.

What is the hierarchy of angels in the realms of the spirit?


Note that there were no Christians in the old testament?

Daniel was not a Christian

Also note that a higher ranked angel came, how come the demon could not stop that angel too

Now what is the hierarchy of a Christian in spiritual realms?

You are too full of yourself and u think you know it all,
Answer the above questions, and come back with your jotter and bible.



@alfseth, hahhahhahahahha jagons

The demons are using him to make u belief that you can be tormented as a Christian, no worry continue and enjoy the torment

Ye all lack understanding, my people perish

lol.... (claps)


what are you Tryna say?

That every stuff a pastor says on the pulpit is not subject to confirmation? Berean Christians, remember them?


Next you bring up hierarchy..... you asked to show where in the scriptures that the devil was powerful. I showed only one and now, you bring up Daniel wasn't a Christian talk. Where is the correlation? Pls. Seven sons of sceva incident? What makes Jesus to say at the ascension that "all power...."

How would he get all power if he there wasn't an existing?

Was Daniel not filled with the Holy Spirit?

You shot yourself in the foot by asking that question about why the demon couldn't resist Michael. Gotcha.

In fact, what is the meaning of hierarchy? why does it exist? Lets go all basic since you seem to not understand these things easily.


It's you demons are using man... You just don't want to be of the school of thought that the devil is a powerful being. Like seriously!!?

Mystery Babylon!!!!


Keep it up. But I'm out. I pray you see the light soon.

engrelvis:
my brother I dnt want to argue with him again.his own beliefs is condition by pastor Chris.mine is from experience exposure n walk with d holy spirit

Forget this your nonsense. Whenever you guys are cornered you pretend you are on some moral horse.

Bring Gods word and teach me with your 20 years experience.

It is a shame but your conclusion has summed it up. Yours is with your experience, exposure...nothing to do with Gods word.

Don't worry..you would be shocked that on the last day..it will be the very word you did not elevate that will judge you.

Maestro21:


Forget this your nonsense. Whenever you guys are cornered you pretend you are on some moral horse.

Bring Gods word and teach me with your 20 years experience.

It is a shame but your conclusion has summed it up. Yours is with your experience, exposure...nothing to do with Gods word.

Don't worry..you would be shocked that on the last day..it will be the very word you did not elevate that will judge you.

ok

Maestro21:


Bring verses please.

The entire Mark is focused on that bro. read from chapter one to 16.Its all about deliverance ministry.

Casting out of demons liberation and setting free.....

donnie:


Can you just shut it? Wt are you expecting? That I start cAsting out devils on nairaland for you to see?

A simple Christ Embassy group non a journey healed a mad man live on the streets. It's on the internet.

I have healed an old Catholic woman who was trembling and bent over on a stick in an ordinary cell meeting. I led her to Chrst, cast out the devil and threw her walking stick away. People gathered as they saw the old woman literally run home, praising God. About 4 young men followed me to church the following Sunday. She lived 4 years after that. She was buried late last year.

I remember weeks later, the news was around the small community. Many even said it was the young guy in whose house the meeting held that healed the woman... and the guy will just keep mute and smile

A little boy tried to share the gospel on school, buggies friends wouldn't keep quiet. At a point, he got upset and shouted "take it"!! They all went down under the power. The teachers tried to pick them up, they too went down under the power.

A young friend of mine visited the hospital in Obudu and prayed for the sick and they were getting healed instantly. The next day almost everyone he prayed for was discharged. He visited again, and there was commotion in the wards as people called for prayer. The doctor warned him never to return.

I led a young lady to Christ and ministered the Holy Spirit to her immediately after. The next time she saw me, she said she used to experience a strange being visits her every night, to the point that she was afraid to sleep, but that the oppression ended after I ministered to her. Now she is on fire for the Lord.

I can go on and on, I went on e vangelism with a a small group from our church. Wee got to meet an atheist who was quite tough to convince. As we turned to leave, one of us, a very young girl told him "your mother at home is sicK with a bad leg". Shocked that she would know that about him, he gave us audience and received Christ.

So guy, we have not followed cunningly devices fables. We have tasted and seen the power of God. When you look from far, you'll neve know. Our children's church and teens church mmembers are cAsting out devils.

Even those our sisters you see on jeans..... no try o

You needn't be abusive.

But, Yes maybe I can take you a little seriously.

Is your problem that you have never encountered demons making confessions through the demonized?

Or is it that you never encountered demons who say they are spiritual husbands/wife to the demonized?

Some Christians as a rule say they forbid demons to speak even when they begin to vomit words?

Which class do you belong to?

I think we can pick up from there.

BTW
I worshipped at Christ Embassy Gwagwalada Branch some years ago when I was doing a research program at Abuja. I didn't see anything super extraordinary with them. I enjoyed the worship ( the urshers and many church members were a distraction).

So, forgive me if I lumped all of you together. Bit the truth is that I think most of you "worship" pastor Chris while spiritual experience is zero.

daveP:
The entire Mark is focused on that bro. read from chapter one to 16.Its all about deliverance ministry.

Casting out of demons liberation and setting free.....

This is circumlocutory.

I have read the whole of Mark more than once. Says nothing about a ministry dedicated to deliverance.

In fact, Jesus said everyone who believes in his name will cast demons out.

So except I am missing something, point out direct verses talking about a specific deliverance ministry. I know about the Pastoral one, Prophetic, Evangelistic, Teaching, Apostolic. I know nothing about a deliverance ministry or gift.

TolaTosin:



Hahahjajajaja

This ur mentality is setting you up for destruction.

If u challenged your pastor then u don't know the scriptures.

Lemme lecture you , you quoted a demon restraining an angel.

What is the hierarchy of angels in the realms of the spirit?


Note that there were no Christians in the old testament?

Daniel was not a Christian

Also note that a higher ranked angel came, how come the demon could not stop that angel too

Now what is the hierarchy of a Christian in spiritual realms?

You are too full of yourself and u think you know it all,
Answer the above questions, and come back with your jotter and bible.



@alfseth, hahhahhahahahha jagons

The demons are using him to make u belief that you can be tormented as a Christian, no worry continue and enjoy the torment

Ye all lack understanding, my people perish

u lack wisdom mr man and dats ur prblem, go and read ur bible and let the holy spirit interpret not pastor christ,it is pointless talking to u when you are not mature enof "baby christians every where"

engrelvis:
bro dnt u think I should b d one lecturing on d disadvantages of doing d above mentioned things? Am more experience n mature in control those things

hahahhahha its not by age ooo

I just lectured you in what you said does not exist

There is no deliverance ministry

Every true Christian can cast out demon,

No specific person is ordained to cast out demon.

That is how some people are making money in the name of deliverance ministry,funny enough, their deliverance has no end.

2 months later, they can ask u to come for another deliverance

@ davep

You have not answered me oo

What is the hierarchy of a Christian, ordinary man, angles and demons in the spiritual realms?

Demons have no power, they play tricks with our minds if you believe it works because u believed, meaning they take advantage of your faith negatively.


There are no spiritual husbands or wives, just demonic oppression

Pasto Chris says cast it out, Donnie no be so!!

shadeyinka:

You needn't be abusive.

But, Yes maybe I can take you a little seriously.

Is your problem that you have never encountered demons making confessions through the demonized?

Or is it that you never encountered demons who say they are spiritual husbands/wife to the demonized?

Some Christians as a rule say they forbid demons to speak even when they begin to vomit words?

Which class do you belong to?

I think we can pick up from there.

BTW
I worshipped at Christ Embassy Gwagwalada Branch some years ago when I was doing a research program at Abuja. I didn't see anything super extraordinary with them. I enjoyed the worship ( the urshers and many church members were a distraction).

So, forgive me if I lumped all of you together. Bit the truth is that I think most of you "worship" pastor Chris while spiritual experience is zero.

The last part is soo funny.

Is spiritual experience seeing spiritual husbands or living God's word through and true?

And why does anyone feel the need to appeal to false experience when making a case.

I mean, I know jobless Harvard graduates therefore there are no exceptional students in Harvard. Your summary I guess.

shadeyinka:

How can?
There are several types of spirits that can manifest spirit spouse is just one class.

So, will you pls answer the question.

What question?

TolaTosin:


The place engrelvis quoted, did it mention that some are ordined deliverance ministry?

@engrelvis there is no deliverance ministry

The portion only reads, teacher, pastor, evangelist prophets

There is nothing like deliverance ministry, only God can deliver a man.

Guy are you this unteachable?


The Great Commission is all about deliverance. Stop stereotyping the meaning of deliverance. Look up the meaning in the dictionary first. Ah

alfseth:
u lack wisdom mr man and dats ur prblem, go and read ur bible and let the holy spirit interpret not pastor christ,it is pointless talking to u when you are not mature enof "baby christians every where"

lol , why did the bible same we should be mindful of the schemes,tricks of the devil

Why did it not say, we should be mindful of the devil's power.

Hahhahahhahahha u are a kid in Christian matters

What u know is what u were taught not what is in the bible,

U still have not been able to prove anything

Jesus defeated the devil fullstop.

All the manifestations u see, are through the mind, in fact without a man as a medium, u won't see any manifestation.

Without a human being, no demon can operate on earth.

I don't go to church but I know the bible more than you.

Maestro21:


There is a legal and then vital truth about Gods word.

For e.g it is a legal truth that Christ died for the whole world. But is the whole world saved? No.

For one to experience that vital truth, they have to accept Jesus lordship by faith and act accordingly.

The same is so for every portion of the word of God.

God said there is no barrenness for his children. That is a legal truth. In reality, some have experienced it. Therefore God lied? No.

Vitally, they are to act on that legal verity and stick to it. The result is they will bare children. Simple.

I am not disputing Gods Words: Impossible!

I am only asking why?

Why is it that after so much faith, prayers and confession of the word, some issues just refuse to bulge?

Yes, we all know what the Word of God says...and the word of God cannot be broken.

Would it be a valid statement that once a person becomes born again, he cannot be barren?

Certainly not (by experience) but by the Logos, it is impossible.

I think that's the same with some people. Born in affliction, but now born again but YET the afflictions seem not to bulge.

Can an unbeliever be demonized (I didn't say possessed)? Evidenced by works of Satan in their lives.

Can this nonbeliever become born again? Yes!

If such nonbeliever becomes born again but we are still seeing the evidence of Satan stealing, killing and destruction, would be insist that he isn't demonized because he is now born again?

This is the bone of contention

Maestro21:


There is a legal and then vital truth about Gods word.

For e.g it is a legal truth that Christ died for the whole world. But is the whole world saved? No.

For one to experience that vital truth, they have to accept Jesus lordship by faith and act accordingly.

The same is so for every portion of the word of God.

God said there is no barrenness for his children. That is a legal truth. In reality, some have experienced it. Therefore God lied? No.

Vitally, they are to act on that legal verity and stick to it. The result is they will bare children. Simple.

I am not disputing Gods Words: Impossible!

I am only asking why?

Why is it that after so much faith, prayers and confession of the word, some issues just refuse to bulge?

Yes, we all know what the Word of God says...and the word of God cannot be broken.

Would it be a valid statement that once a person becomes born again, he cannot be barren?

Certainly not (by experience) but by the Logos, it is impossible.

I think that's the same with some people. Born in affliction, but now born again but YET the afflictions seem not to bulge.

Can an unbeliever be demonized (I didn't say possessed)? Evidenced by works of Satan in their lives.

Can this nonbeliever become born again? Yes!

If such nonbeliever becomes born again but we are still seeing the evidence of Satan stealing, killing and destruction, would be insist that he isn't demonized because he is now born again?

This is the bone of contention!

engrelvis:
my brother I dnt want to argue with him again.his own beliefs is condition by pastor Chris.mine is from experience exposure n walk with d holy spirit

It's the mentorship virus. Just pray for him to have understanding.

shadeyinka:

I guess Pastor Chris said the phrase "there is no such thing as spiritual husband" in the context of a fully matured Christian...because he seemed to correct it later in the video by saying that it is a "spiritual reality" for some people.

However, over zealous Christ Embassy members just took it off as if the first phrase is correct.

They should work on their own spiritual experience rather than depending on Pastor Chris's experience.

The light will always remain at the end of the tunnel.... Indoctrination is the ish here. It's intoxicating. He that even did the video is confused too for.

GrammarCheck:
I can bet most people did not even watch the video.
He said

There is no spiritual husband or wife...
Only demonic oppressors who give this illusion by a form of manipulation. That is why as Christians we should learn how to cast out demons..

It is a powerful message there. Watch the video before running your fingers

You should know that most people lashing out at the pastor are 10MB crew.. You can't expect them to watch the video with their 10MB

daveP:
Guy are you this unteachable?


The Great Commission is all about deliverance. Stop stereotyping the meaning of deliverance. Look up the meaning in the dictionary first. Ah

leave dis guy bro .a guy dat is advertising intimacy gadgets on his dp? n he is lecturing on Indecency ,bbnaija.hypocrisy at its peak

shadeyinka:

You needn't be abusive.

But, Yes maybe I can take you a little seriously.

Is your problem that you have never encountered demons making confessions through the demonized?

Or is it that you never encountered demons who say they are spiritual husbands/wife to the demonized?

Some Christians as a rule say they forbid demons to speak even when they begin to vomit words?

Which class do you belong to?

I think we can pick up from there.

BTW
I worshipped at Christ Embassy Gwagwalada Branch some years ago when I was doing a research program at Abuja. I didn't see anything super extraordinary with them. I enjoyed the worship ( the urshers and many church members were a distraction).

So, forgive me if I lumped all of you together. Bit the truth is that I think most of you "worship" pastor Chris while spiritual experience is zero.

You had zero experience probably resulting from zero hunger and birds of same feather flock together.

That being said; I am very much aware that demons speak. If you watch the videos I posted earlier on this thread, you'll see some aggressive demons speaking angrily. At times too, they may make confessions. The problem with some ignorant Christians is that they take these confessions too seriously.

Ok, let me ask you... how may did you hear confess that they were next in command to Satan in the spirit world... as in No.2 ? Can you count? So who is lying?

Do you know how many homes have been wrecked because of these so-called confessions? See what Jesus said about Satan...

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So let me ask you, do you belong to the group that like to hear devils talk?

I will rather spend 15minutes teaching God's people how to live in victory putting Satan under their feet than 30minutes asking a demon for its name.

shadeyinka:

I am not disputing Gods Words: Impossible!

I am only asking why?

Why is it that after so much faith, prayers and confession of the word, some issues just refuse to bulge?

Yes, we all know what the Word of God says...and the word of God cannot be broken.

Would it be a valid statement that once a person becomes born again, he cannot be barren?

Certainly not (by experience) but by the Logos, it is impossible.

I think that's the same with some people. Born in affliction, but now born again but YET the afflictions seem not to bulge.

Can an unbeliever be demonized (I didn't say possessed)? Evidenced by works of Satan in their lives.

Can this nonbeliever become born again? Yes!

If such nonbeliever becomes born again but we are still seeing the evidence of Satan stealing, killing and destruction, would be insist that he isn't demonized because he is now born again?

This is the bone of contention

Jesus told his disciples not to bother knowing how a man was born blind. Their focus should be on how it can be undone. Simple.

I don't bother about whether some Christians are still poor, sickly or oppressed by demons.

God had already said "all of you are children of the most high (so he was referring to his kids but you die like men due to ignorance and lack of understanding". That reality has not changed.

You say after confessions and faith an issue did not change. But that is the process of vitally appropriating God's word..sometimes it takes time to manifest but it doesn't mean the faith and confessions did not work.

After all, Abraham talked faith for years before Isaac was born. So the 25 years he waited did not negate God's promise. That is exactly what Abraham believed and taught. Paul said so in Romans 4.

When Jesus cursed the fig tree, it still looked unchanged at that very moment.

You say some people became born again and still had issues that they had before getting born again. Well, I know someone who lost Asthma the very moment he too became born again. So you see, we have subjective experiences.

What do we do? We go back to the word. The word says the born again one is completely new and never existed before. Well, that is what God's word said which makes it a legal truth.

If such a person takes that word and acts that way vitally. Listen, SS will change to AA.

Pussitto:
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: "There Is Nothing Like Spiritual Wife Or Husband" (Video)

One of Nigeria's most respected man of God, Pastor chris oyakhilome has cleared the air that there is nothing like spiritual husband or wife. As this issue of spiritual spouse has been made known by some men of God as spiritual bondage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzLfOLrjLlY

https://chikasom..com/2018/03/pastor-chris-oyakhilome-there-is.html?m=1

Nobody in the bible suffered from spiritual wife or husband nah

[quote author=daveP post=66074321]lol.... (claps)


what are you Tryna say?

That every stuff a pastor says on the pulpit is not subject to confirmation? Berean Christians, remember them?

Does that give you a right to challenge a pastor?

Next you bring up hierarchy..... you asked to show where in the scriptures that the devil was powerful. I showed only one and now, you bring up Daniel wasn't a Christian talk. Where is the correlation? Pls. Seven sons of sceva incident? What makes Jesus to say at the ascension that "all power...."

Hahhahha

Complete your statement, don't go around trying to quote scriptures and end it half way to suit your point, read it to the end
How would he get all power if he there wasn't an existing?

Was Daniel not filled with the Holy Spirit?

No man under the old testament can be filled with the Holy spirit, if not Jesus would not have come, let alone still promise the coming of the holy spirit go and study your Bible well

You shot yourself in the foot by asking that question about why the demon couldn't resist Michael. Gotcha.

Who is Michael self?
Your case is worst than white garment church,

Angels are primarily messengers bro, you are a learner,

Don't hype Michael, even Lucifer was higher that Michael in rank

In fact, what is the meaning of hierarchy? why does it exist? Lets go all basic since you seem to not understand these things easily.

If you don't know that there is hierarchy in the spirit,then u are clueless in spiritual things, even the verse u quoted, stated that a higher Angel came ...

It's you demons are using man... You just don't want to be of the school of thought that the devil is a powerful being. Like seriously!!?

Mystery Babylon!!!!

You know nothing, and your problem is pride,

You feel u know it, but you know nothing

Go and tell ur demons, that he is powerless
In fact ask then to line up and visit me tonite, let me use them for pillow tonite.

By the way, I don't attend Christ embassy self

TolaTosin:


Name one that you know, don't ask me if I know.

Going to church doesn't make one a Christian, it doesn't matter whether he or she attends Christ embassy or deeper life.

Barrenness is not always a spiritual case, some ladies lost their womb before they got born again, some bad infections, some men have low sperm count, weak erection etc

What is spiritual about low sperm count and infections that a man exposes himself to huh!!


You are carnal bro,

Go and pray for insight.

But the scriptures say there shall not be any barren in the land.

It dosnt matter the cause: physical (low sperm count, no womb, hormonal imbalance etc) or spiritual (demonic afflictions)

I wish you wouldn't dodge the question because statistically in every denomination about 1 in every 20 couples will experience a long delay (barrenness).

When such occur (among those you consider as mature and spiritual) what would you say they have not done right?

Something's happen just for the glory of God to be made manifest.

So, when you see those kinds of people, it isn't that they have broken some rules its that through it Gods name shall be glorified.

Same with some people (believers) with spiritual afflictions.

Interesting Pastor Chris balanced the message "it is a spiritual reality for some people" listen to the message again. He is only saying don't (as a mature believer) say "I have a spiritual spouse".

daveP:
Guy are you this unteachable?


The Great Commission is all about deliverance. Stop stereotyping the meaning of deliverance. Look up the meaning in the dictionary first. Ah

When you guys are cornered you start with this mumbo jumbo.

This is Jesus telling you that deliverance is preached. It is not a ministry. You proclaim to people that they have been delivered.

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luke 4:18

Maestro21:


Forget this your nonsense. Whenever you guys are cornered you pretend you are on some moral horse.

Bring Gods word and teach me with your 20 years experience.

It is a shame but your conclusion has summed it up. Yours is with your experience, exposure...nothing to do with Gods word.

Don't worry..you would be shocked that on the last day..it will be the very word you did not elevate that will judge you.

ok

There are spirit wives and husbands. Every experience is not necessarily authenticated by the Bible. But every experience has a Biblical solution. In the Bible, we never read about a human changing to goat, snake and even bats. But we experience it today. So, there are practical experiences that affirms the existence of spirit wives and husbands.

A friend of mine had his marriage broken by a spirit husband. He appeared to him warning him to live his wife because she is his. This happened in the dream. Few days later, he used a stick to hit his leg in the dream and he woke up paralyzed. He has since broken up with his wife for the safety of his life.

I have personally ministered to a young lady who said she had a spirit husband who married her at the age of five. She even wears the wedding ring and he comes to make love with her every night for over ten years. I ministered to her and she was free. She never had the experience again.

Maestro21:


Jesus told his disciples not to bother knowing how a man was born blind. Their focus should be on how it can be undone. Simple.

I don't bother about whether some Christians are still poor, sickly or oppressed by demons.

God had already said "all of you are children of the most high (so he was referring to his kids but you die like men due to ignorance and lack of understanding". That reality has not changed.

You say after confessions and faith an issue did not change. But that is the process of vitally appropriating God's word..sometimes it takes time to manifest but it doesn't mean the faith and confessions did not work.

After all, Abraham talked faith for years before Isaac was born. So the 25 years he waited did not negate God's promise. That is exactly what Abraham believed and taught. Paul said so in Romans 4.

When Jesus cursed the fig tree, it still looked unchanged at that very moment.

You say some people became born again and still had issues that they had before getting born again. Well, I know someone who lost Asthma the very moment he too became born again. So you see, we have subjective experiences.

What do we do? We go back to the word. The word says the born again one is completely new and never existed before. Well, that is what God's word said which makes it a legal truth.

If such a person takes that word and acts that way vitally. Listen, SS will change to AA.

We have the same mind set about faith in use.

However, how can you tell someone who has encounter demons who call themselves husbands/wife of a person that such doesn't exist?

If you have never encounted such, it is wrong to say they don't exist. Did the bible give us an exhaustive list of demons?

That is the point.

shadeyinka:


But the scriptures say there shall not be any barren in the land.

It dosnt matter the cause: physical (low sperm count, no womb, hormonal imbalance etc) or spiritual (demonic afflictions)

If I impregnated a lady, and then ask God for forgiveness, will the forgiveness abort the foetus?

I wish you wouldn't dodge the question because statistically in every denomination about 1 in every 20 couples will experience a long delay (barrenness).

When such occur (among those you consider as mature and spiritual) what would you say they have not done right?

Your statistics is error, no such figure, do you know what 1 in 20 means

Something's happen just for the glory of God to be made manifest.

So, when you see those kinds of people, it isn't that they have broken some rules its that through it Gods name shall be glorified.

Another error, God is God, he doesn't need me to be affiliated to be glorified, He is already glory himself.

Another wrong teaching

Same with some people (believers) with spiritual afflictions.

Interesting Pastor Chris balanced the message "it is a spiritual reality for some people" listen to the message again. He is only saying don't (as a mature believer) say "I have a spiritual spouse".

you are still operating from children of a God class

Grow to sons of God class

Or better still men of God class

Go and read 1John

You will see the 3 classes of Christians