Maestro21:


This is circumlocutory.

I have read the whole of Mark more than once. Says nothing about a ministry dedicated to deliverance.

In fact, Jesus said everyone who believes in his name will cast demons out.

So except I am missing something, point out direct verses talking about a specific deliverance ministry. I know about the Pastoral one, Prophetic, Evangelistic, Teaching, Apostolic. I know nothing about a deliverance ministry or gift.

Ken4Christ:
There are spirit wives and husbands. Every experience is not necessarily authenticated by the Bible. There are practical experiences that affirms the existence.

A friend of mine had his marriage broken by a spirit husband. He appeared to him warning him to live his wife because she is his. This happened in the dream. Few days later, he used a stick to hit his leg in the dream and he woke up paralyzed. He has since br oken up with his wife for the safety of his life.

I have personally ministered to a young lady who said she had a spirit husband who married her at the age of five. She even wears the wedding ring and he comes to make love with her every night for over ten years. I ministered to her and she was free. She never had the experience again.

Ken4Christ:
There are spirit wives and husbands. Every experience is not necessarily authenticated by the Bible. But every experience has a Biblical solution. In the Bible, we never read about a human changing to goat, snake and even bats. But we experience it today. So, there are practical experiences that affirms the existence of spirit wives and husbands.

A friend of mine had his marriage broken by a spirit husband. He appeared to him warning him to live his wife because she is his. This happened in the dream. Few days later, he used a stick to hit his leg in the dream and he woke up paralyzed. He has since broken up with his wife for the safety of his life.

I have personally ministered to a young lady who said she had a spirit husband who married her at the age of five. She even wears the wedding ring and he comes to make love with her every night for over ten years. I ministered to her and she was free. She never had the experience again.

tosyne2much:
You should know that most people lashing out at the pastor are 10MB crew.. You can't expect them to watch the video with their 10MB

daveP:
Phew.... Okay, since you're more receptive than him. Lemme break it down.

First lets remove the stereotype definition that has been given this ministry.

The Great Commission is hinged on deliverance. Keyword here is Liberation. That's what exactly Christ came to do. From who did he come to deliver? Those under the oppression of the devil and his demons.

So what is that called? A ministry. (Not the one we call ministry on the streets these days. Get the definition of ministry and follow me)

Back to Mark, He recorded majorly all the miracles of deliverance as done by Christ Jesus. Dakes Bible footnotes and Summary take it as a compilation of the deliverance ministry of Jesus.

Next as he ascended, he handed over to every believer the same power to do deliverance as well. Thus those final words while he was up going. Getting me?


Calling, or Office is different from Ministry.


I can minister in songs, food giving, almgiving. Those are all ministries my bro.


The 5fold Offices are callings and they all are equipped with the deliverance ministry cos they are with the power that Jesus used as well to do so.

So not only can these 5 perform the act of deliverance, every believer can... and we all know that it takes some level of knowledge of the scriptures and dedication to God that one can operate in such a ministry.


It must be a believer. That is the requirement. Simple.

It's why the seven sons of Sceva could not cast out that demon.

One demon possessed guy beat up seven mature men, and rendered them naked sotey na window last last dem use escape, and someone on here is telling me that demons don't have power?

The demoniac of Gardarenes, he was breaking thick chains cos of the demons in him, and someone on here is telling me that's not power. Since that's not the angle I'm taking with you, I'll just pause here.


So you see that the ministry exist just like other ministries.


The writing on those buildings are not the definition. In fact Ministries are minute parts of the entirety of what the church supposed to be.


Nowhere in Mark is the call for dedicating to such ministry. It's a compilation of the deliverance aspect of the Ministry of Christ. The major one. I. e delivering man from bondage of sin and demons. Since that exist in the Bible, then we have proof that deliverance ministry exists.

donnie:


Mogbe!!!

And what is the good news?

It said preach deliverance...It didn't say, conduct deliverance

daveP:
Stereotyping Issues.


Lol. quite interesting. very interesting.....


See one asking me about sons of sceva and claims to know the bible well?

chukslawrence:
Who is a liar between Baba Adeboye and Ogbeni Chris?

donnie:


You had zero experience probably resulting from zero hunger and birds of same feather flock together.

That being said; I am very much aware that demons speak. If you watch the videos I posted earlier on this thread, you'll see some aggressive demons speaking angrily. At times too, they may make confessions. The problem with some ignorant Christians is that they take these confessions too seriously.

Ok, let me ask you... how may did you hear confess that they were next in command to Satan in the spirit world... as in No.2 ? Can you count? So who is lying?

Do you know how many homes have been wrecked because of these so-called confessions? See what Jesus said about Satan...

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So let me ask you, do you belong to the group that like to hear devils talk?

I will rather spend 15minutes teaching God's people how to live in victory putting Satan under their feet than 30minutes asking a demon for its name.

TolaTosin:


U didn't understand me bro.

I said if Jesus disciples had a similar challenge, why is sons of sceva and exceptional cases?

Understand that until Jesus ascension the authority was not yet fully given to any man.

In fact Jesus had to tell the disciples to wait till the Holy spirit comes.

U hear me so!!

daveP:
The light will always remain at the end of the tunnel.... Indoctrination is the ish here. It's intoxicating. He that even did the video is confused too for.

Lomprico2:


What question?

shadeyinka:

Have you seen a demonized person acting like the mad man of the Gaderene?

If you have not, then your exposure is extremely limited to make you have your kind of conclusion

Except, spirits of Lesbianism, Bestialty, Kleptomanism etc do not exist because they are not written in the bible

daveP:
youve not even understood a thing of what I said, and it's cos you already have a final idea on how it's supposed to be... especially when it's your mentor saying so. keep up the work... intact with this post I'm quoting, it's vividly clear that you still don't understand all I've been saying. Keep asking me. you'd wake up soon.

TolaTosin:
hahhahha I don't attend Christ embassy abeg oo

I have a mind of my own, am a free thinker but I know the truth, I don't live in fear of any demon or spiritual husband.

Maestro21:



The last part is soo funny.

Is spiritual experience seeing spiritual husbands or living God's word through and true?

And why does anyone feel the need to appeal to false experience when making a case.

I mean, I know jobless Harvard graduates therefore there are no exceptional students in Harvard. Your summary I guess.

Maestro21:


With my little exchanges with you in the past and now, you should know I am not a neophyte especially in Gods word.

The demon said Legion therefore the demon was saying the truth? I mean, considering demons are well reputed for truth telling abi?

Did you notice that Jesus never bothered engaging demons? Because that was not the point. They could have been 10 demons in that man and the demons will claim they are over 6000 just to make the person engaging them feel like it would take all his time to get them out. Satan's tricks are not new.

That a demon says I am whatever or that the woman felt someone was having sex with her does not make that a spiritual husband. It is just the way the demon chose to manifest himself.

It is this error that has led people to preach sermons on spiritual husbands and wives whereas many of them after such "deliverance" sessions find that the sexual dreams stopped but something else began to manifest itself and then they would need the same deliverance session all over for the new manifestation.

Why? Because satan knows the trick. If you tell him to come out as a spiritual husband. He will pretend like he has left and begin to manifest himself as promiscuity or insanity or some infirmity.

That is why people are to preach the word over their experiences.

TolaTosin:
this is the reason former christians convert to atheism

Because they get confused when Christian have different views
oglalasioux will now take advantage and try to use astrology and metaphysics to explain spiritual things just to justify his beliefs

TolaTosin:


If I impregnated a lady, and then ask God for forgiveness, will the forgiveness abort the foetus?



Your statistics is error, no such figure, do you know what 1 in 20 means



Another error, God is God, he doesn't need me to be affiliated to be glorified, He is already glory himself.

Another wrong teaching

you are still operating from children of a God class

Grow to sons of God class

Or better still men of God class

Go and read 1John

You will see the 3 classes of Christians

shadeyinka:

I think I understand you a little better now.

Unfortunately, you seem to lump up everyone who has done deliverance as "one of those extremists" you see on TV. No bro!

Demons lie. That's there nature. They speak half truths, that's their nature. Every Christian who God has used to cast out demons must have the spirit of discernment. There arebsome simple rules of the kinds of questions a christian can ask a demon (an never doctrinal)
1. Who are you?
2. What have you done to her
3. How many are you in her

Some Christians say it is not necessary! But how come setimes a single session does not cast out all the demons?

Interestingly, I have never personally come across demons whobwill say they are second in command to Satan. I have come across one who called himself Satan (of course its a lie), I have even come across a demon who said (I am Jesus, you can't cast me out!) Of course its a lie. Demons are liars. Its always a lie when demons say "I am her mother in-law, grandfather, etc Its only to cause confusion and strife among family members. Demons impersonate.

However, (from experence- and its not a rule) once you know their name, it doesn't take time for you to cast them out. Sometimes, you dont even want them to name themselves, you just bind them together and cast them out.

Some say as a rule, they don't allow demons to speak! Fine, as long as the demons are evicted, glory be to God. But if following the example of Jesus, SOMETIMES, Jesus says " who are you?". And there I stand.

When a demon calls itself a spiritual husband, "I say you spiritual husband, your time is up, Out! In Jesus name". Andbit goes.

My problem is that some people who have never ever encountered demons who call themselves spiritual husbands/wife have the audacity to say spiritual spouses do not exist!

Over 80% of deliverances do not even go with physical manifestations, yet deliverances have taken place.

So, its not everybody who " acts drama" with deliverance. Our level of grace, experience and opportunities differ. The level of understanding of the word also differ.

But it is wrong to say some spiritual reality doesn't exist simply becausebyou haven't come across it and it doesn't directly violate the word of God.

donnie:


Even the OP didn't quote pastor Chris correctly.
Meanwhile, in how many occassions did Jesus ask for a name?

Demons screemed at the appearance of Jesus and He will command them to shut up and come out.

When I watch Pastor Chris at the healing school, many times, even before he approaches, they start screaming and coming out. Well, like you said, there are different graces.

1 Corinthians 12:4-12
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

daveP:
Guy are you this unteachable?


The Great Commission is all about deliverance. Stop stereotyping the meaning of deliverance. Look up the meaning in the dictionary first. Ah

oglalasioux:


There are no spiritual things. Unless cool fm and channels TV are spiritual. It is the same things that work radios and cameras that we confuse for the so called spiritual things.

Same goes for schizophrenia and epilepsy which we hitherto thought were spiritual attacks.

Moses built the religion that metamorphosed into the world's major religions from what he learnt from the properties of electromagnetism in Egypt. Read the first five books of Moses. You will understand right from the burning bush.

Please Google St. Elmo's fire. You'll understand the burning bush.

Hostel:
when annointing is no more effective many preacher started falling into error and saying rubbish..You said there is no demon bcux you lacks power to cast out demons...I just pity people following this blind servant of satan.

shadeyinka:


We have the same mind set about faith in use.

However, how can you tell someone who has encounter demons who call themselves husbands/wife of a person that such doesn't exist?

If you have never encounted such, it is wrong to say they don't exist. Did the bible give us an exhaustive list of demons?

That is the point.

daveP:
Phew.... Okay, since you're more receptive than him. Lemme break it down.

First lets remove the stereotype definition that has been given this ministry.

The Great Commission is hinged on deliverance. Keyword here is Liberation. That's what exactly Christ came to do. From who did he come to deliver? Those under the oppression of the devil and his demons.

So what is that called? A ministry. (Not the one we call ministry on the streets these days. Get the definition of ministry and follow me)

Back to Mark, He recorded majorly all the miracles of deliverance as done by Christ Jesus. Dakes Bible footnotes and Summary take it as a compilation of the deliverance ministry of Jesus.

Next as he ascended, he handed over to every believer the same power to do deliverance as well. Thus those final words while he was up going. Getting me?


Calling, or Office is different from Ministry.


I can minister in songs, food giving, almgiving. Those are all ministries my bro.


The 5fold Offices are callings and they all are equipped with the deliverance ministry cos they are with the power that Jesus used as well to do so.

So not only can these 5 perform the act of deliverance, every believer can... and we all know that it takes some level of knowledge of the scriptures and dedication to God that one can operate in such a ministry.


It must be a believer. That is the requirement. Simple.

It's why the seven sons of Sceva could not cast out that demon.

One demon possessed guy beat up seven mature men, and rendered them naked sotey na window last last dem use escape, and someone on here is telling me that demons don't have power?

The demoniac of Gardarenes, he was breaking thick chains cos of the demons in him, and someone on here is telling me that's not power. Since that's not the angle I'm taking with you, I'll just pause here.


So you see that the ministry exist just like other ministries.


The writing on those buildings are not the definition. In fact Ministries are minute parts of the entirety of what the church supposed to be.


Nowhere in Mark is the call for dedicating to such ministry. It's a compilation of the deliverance aspect of the Ministry of Christ. The major one. I. e delivering man from bondage of sin and demons. Since that exist in the Bible, then we have proof that deliverance ministry exists.