MuttleyLaff:
I trust you had a restful and good sleep last night and night before.

You are not right that the bible stated that Jesus was amazed by her faith.
Jesus, on record, confessed to be amazed by faith and the lack of it, just two times.
It was the gay man's faith, Jesus said He was amazed at, He never said He was amazed at the faith of the woman with the issue of blood, He just encouraged and cheered her up.

We know from the bible, Malachi to be exact, that, it was the studying of that Malachi scripture that propelled the woman with the issue of blood to reason within herself, that if she can touch the tassels of Jesus' robe, she, the woman with the issue of blood, believe she will receive her healing. Jesus confirms all these when He raised her spirit and restored her confidence with the following reassuring and kind words: "Daughter, take courage; your faith has made you well."

Michellekabod, I am glad that you at least, admit and acknowledge that the bible cant be wrong

"¹⁶All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
¹⁷That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
- 2 Timothy 3:16-17

1/ If God can say: "Come now, and let us reason together" that amounts to something, doesnt it?
2/ How does one go about to reason together with God then Michellekabod?
3/ Where does one, invited to come reason with God, head to, for this?
4/ How is, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, actualised Michellekabod?
5/ Why were the Bereans examining the Scriptures? What did their searching the scriptures and examining it, amount to or is called?
6/ What is the total number of the different types of faith biblically existing?
You do know, I am taking of faith, as a verb and not noun, dont you Michellekabod?

Michellekabod, studying and reasoning are precursors to the work, which without them and ultimately work, faith is dead.

Michellekabod:
Thanks, albeit i waited ages for your response

MhizAngel99:


I mean never mind the fact that you're actively dodging my question, you're also asking me about a subject i didn't even bring up in the first place. Lol

Asking 4 the evidence for intuition makes no sense. First of all, intuition operates from the part of our brain that
developed at a time when hidden dangers could jump out at us at any moment – such as a tiger hiding behind bushes. This part of our brain became highly skilled at sensing immediate danger as well as places of safety. However, because most of us now live a relatively safe, day-to-day existence, that part of our brain is not triggered very
often, and when it is, we are not familiar with it, so we tend to ignore its messages. However, we all still have that part of our brain. It wasn't bestowed unto us by an allpowerful skyfather, that's for sure.

As i stated earlier, your issues with LordReed are completely beyond my reach of concern. This is an open public thread, anybody can quote anyone he/she wants to quote. If LordReed is bothering you, am not the one who sent him. So, i am lost as to why you keep reporting him to me.

jesusjnr:
Please forgive me for the Lordreed aspect, but far the dodging allegations go, you cannot be accusing me of an offense you are guilty of.

If asking for the evidence of intuition is wrong then the same goes for asking for evidence of God's existence.

So the same to you with the never mind part as you do not qualify to ask me for evidence of God's existence as long as you are not ready to bring the evidence of the existence of intuition.

I believe in the existence of intuition just as I believe in the existence of God, so I don't need your evidence to believe in the existence of intuition, but I'm just using the same yardstick you use to judge my beliefs to judge yours, because that's what fairness demands.

MhizAngel99:


Your logic is extremely flawed
I never dodged any question, because initially, you never asked me that question directly. When you did, i answered. You, on the other hand, HAVEN'T STILL PRESENTED ANY EVIDENCE SUPPORTING YOUR CLAIMS.

The difference between intuition and god is that there is testifiable evidence for the existence of intuition. Did you even read my previous post? Intuition operates in our reality. Please give me one example of god interfering in reality such that the effects can be tested and proven true constantly.

jesusjnr:
See eh I'm sorry oh, but i read your post to a point and I was tired because if that's what you call evidence, then you and those who claim that God exists have something in common, as that's usually the same thing they do to explain the existence of God, but you still do not believe, do you?

So do you expect me to start going thru all the trouble again knowing that at the end nothing would come out of it?

Provide the evidence of the existence of intuition that can be proven via the five senses, then i would certainly do the same about the existence of God, for then there would be no need for too much grammer or explanation, because the evidence would speak for itself.

I'm not here for any debate that is already bound to be fruitless, but only those that yet have the possibility of yielding the fruits for whose purpose I'm here.

jesusjnr:
See eh I'm sorry oh, but i read your post to a point and I was tired because if that's what you call evidence, then you and those who claim that God exists have something in common, as that's usually the same thing they do to explain the existence of God, but you still do not believe, do you?

So do you expect me to start going thru all the trouble again knowing that at the end nothing would come out of it?

Provide the evidence of the existence of intuition that can be proven via the five senses, then i would certainly do the same about the existence of God, for then there would be no need for too much grammer or explanation, because the evidence would speak for itself.

I'm not here for any debate that is already bound to be fruitless, but only those that yet have the possibility of yielding the fruits for whose purpose I'm here.

MhizAngel99:


You just dont get it, do u? The properties of the christian god is such that, if he exists, there should be falsifiable evidence. However, that is not the case. Gravity cannot be detected by the 5 senses but it can be observed in reality. Same cannot said 4 god. Even if i can't provide enough evidence to convince u dat intuition exists, that doesnt automatically prove ur gods existence. Im still atheist nd u're just grasping at straws. The burden of proof remains on u. I didn't make any claims, hence, i have nothing to prove. U xtians re very fond of this. Just admit that u know nothing about the world's origin insttead of creating gods nd giving them properties. Other than the bible saying so, hw do u knw god wants worship?

MhizAngel99:
@jesusjnr. I asked these questions to one of ur fellow xtians in another thread. Answer them and maybe u can convince me ur god exists

1. ...how your god can
create time and still be
subject to it via change of
heart and change of mood.
2. ...how your god can
create logic and still be
subject to it via requiring a
thought process to make
decisions
3. How your god can be
omniscient and still have
free will
4. How your god can be
omnibenevolent and
omnipotent and yet evil
exists.
5. How your god is
distinguishable from the
thousands of gods of
thousands of religions out
there
6. How an omnibenevolent
god can purposely cause
conflict and war by actively
hiding all evidence of his
existence?
7. How earthquakes,
diseases, and physical
illnesses exist in a world
created by an
omnibenevolent god
8. How praying to an
omniscient god is useful in
any way
9. How god will judge those
who died without hearing
the gospel and accepting
jesus as saviour. Even if they
led good lives.
Bonus question. What
evidence is there to suggest
that ur god is male?

Michellekabod:

That is the problem i face with you people.
There is always a need to save someone...there is always a bad person that needs help.
Did i tell you i needed help? My conversations with you were purely for us to share ideas. I learn from you,and you learn from me(i must confess i did learn alot). Must i the heathen (as you think of us) be on the same level as you for conversations to go on?and when otherwise you take to your heels?
You can save your time as requested....cheers

MhizAngel99:
LMAO. I mean never mind that you completely ignored the stats i showed you, you literally have no evidence outside the bible that proves ur god's existence. I'm done with you. You're clearly a slowpoke who lacks the intelligence to properly scrutinize what he knows.

You are free to invite me back for an actual discussion using logic when you can xplain...
1. ...how your god can create time and still be subject to it via change of heart and change of mood.
2. ...how your god can create logic and still be subject to it via requiring a thought process to make decisions
3. How your god can be omniscient and still have free will
4. How your god can be omnibenevolent and omnipotent and yet evil exists.
5. How your god is distinguishable from the thousands of gods of thousands of religions out there
6. How an omnibenevolent god can purposely cause conflict and war by actively hiding all evidence of his existence?
7. How earthquakes, diseases, and physical illnesses exist in a world created by an omnibenevolent god
8. How praying to an omniscient god is useful in any way
9. How god will judge those who died without hearing the gospel and accepting jesus as saviour. Even if they led good lives.
Bonus question. What evidence is there to suggest that ur god is male?
Unless you are willing to answer these questions, don't bother quoting me, cos i won't even reply to ur dumb ass.

MhizAngel99:

Am dead. This boy called jesusjnr just said he can see and taste gravity lol. Gravity can NOT be proven by any of the 5 senses. Stating otherwise would be just so incredibly stupid. That example you gave reeks of pure dumbness.

You are obviously so drenched in your ignorance, its impossible to rescue you at this point. Religion has literally taken your brain away.

Keep dodging my questions. I must say i find it rather amusing.

jesusjnr:
That's what you'd be if you do as I said, and climb a very high building and cast yourself down to prove that gravity cannot be proven by the five senses; dead!

For gravity would take all your five senses with it.

What other proof can surpass that?

MhizAngel99:


Again with this senseless example lol
Can u taste gravity as a subject? Yes or no?

jesusjnr:
Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MhizAngel99:

I know . Your unintelligence equally amuses me

jesusjnr:
Someone dead yet talking. Maybe she is speaking in the spirit!

MhizAngel99:


Awww. Almost funny. Almost.

You're not intelligent and you're not funny. Truly an empty vessel

jesusjnr:
Am I supposed to be scared by your look?

jesusjnr:
So you knew how to talk like this and you were replying me as if you would soon run out of words, yes, yes, title thread etc.

Maybe you needed for me to give you a similar cold shoulder for you to suddenly come out of your shell.

But i know you knew I would be back for you, either by your intuition or some other way, and you also tried hard to make it seem as if I was a chicken.

See i'm not going to pretend to you as you are doing and say I came to share ideas so as to be diplomatic, but I came to help you even though you didn't ask me to, for that's what I'm actually here, to help people.

And by people I mean the atheists, agnostics, even the Church folks here also because the church has really lost its way. So that's why I'm actually here to help and that's why i'm engaging with you.

And I believe that's why you are also here conversing with me, because you want to help me out of believing in a God that does not exist, abi na lie?

So let's be frank with each other at least in this respect.

But come on have I given you any impression that I was looking down on you as the heathen?

Haba now, be fair with me because I've kept going on about how beautiful your heart seems to be, or do you think that I was pretending? Na! I hardly flatter people.

So I don't do that heathen stuff, all I want to know is the state of someone's heart, that's why i'm disgusted with the present church because of the extent of wickedness in it.

So don't accuse me falsely, even though I say I want to help, it's not in a demeaning way, because i really value good people, so I do everything I can to encourage them because I know it's in very short supply in the world.

And that's why if you remember I tried to stress the point to you that you do not make anyone make you lose that, that's if you still got it though.

And also I believe you belong with God, and I don't know what may have come in between you and Him, maybe some of your very difficult experiences, but i'm telling you God really cares about you, and if there's any reason I'm am the kind of person I am today that makes your subconscious voice to distinguish me from the rest, it's because of Him, because I wasn't like this when I was without Him.

But it was while trying to be like Him that I developed the kind of heart that I now have, that I really care about His creation, and i'm able to emphatize with most of them.

But someone can not be forced into such, for if that happens then the purpose is defeated, because it has to be by choice.

That's why despite that I had gone to the extent of casting my pearls before you for this purpose, and was disheartened that you rubbished it, when I knew that your mind was made up, i had to let you go the way that you had chosen to go, because it was not by force.

Hence I said what I said, that I couldn't help you if you didn't want to be helped.

MhizAngel99:
@Muttey Laff
It may have been torturous reading 4 u because u lack the mental capacity to read and understand the questions.
Dyslexia is no joke. I know i wasn't typing in Latin.

Feel free to take offence

Michellekabod:

Na lie o
I didnt have the intention of dragging you to my belief. Christianity is like an opium,it helps and works well.
I rather listen,observe and reason critically before talking that was why i did more of yes,yes,title...
Your book describes us as heathens,abi na lie?


Oya tell me about your jesus,let us act as though i have never heard about jesus or God before and you are approaching me on the street....am listening

jesusjnr:
First off, how you dey sis?

MuttleyLaff:
SMH bwahahaha ha
I like that your sneaky distortion and devious separation of my moniker. I wonder why you want to do that for, why?

As it happens, it has nothing to do with lacking the mental capacity to read and understand the questions nor "Dyslexia" and whether or not you typed in Latin.

MhizAngel99 I wont lie to you, it was torturous because the questions were all patently absurd and scandalous.

1. ...how your god can create time and still be subject to it via change of heart and change of mood.
Answer>>
God instituted time. He isnt subject to time

2. ...how your god can create logic and still be subject to it via requiring a thought process to make decisions
Answer>>
It is not true that this happens all the time as God chooses to or chooses not to be subjected to logic, sticking to your line of thought

3. How your god can be omniscient and still have free will
Answer>>
God is I AM I AM. He can do whatever He wills and is not answerable to anyone except Himself

4. How your god can be omnibenevolent and omnipotent and yet evil exists.
Answer>>>
Evil is the absence of good

5. How your god is distinguishable from the thousands of gods of thousands of religions out there
Answer>>>
Money is a god, food is a god, the belly or stomach is a god, inanimate objects are gods, animals are god

6. How an omnibenevolent god can purposely cause conflict and war by actively hiding all evidence of his existence?
Answer>>>
He hasnt hidden all evidence of His existence, He was here on earth 2000 years. He physically walked as a human being, on this earth 2000 years ago.

7. How earthquakes, diseases, and physical illnesses exist in a world created by an omnibenevolent god
Answer>>>
Not a blame for Him to carry. Buyer's remorse

8. How praying to an omniscient god is useful in any way
Answer>>>
The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous person availeth much.

9. How god will judge those who died without hearing the gospel and accepting jesus as saviour. Even if they led good lives.
Answer>>>
God is Just. There is free legal aid to take advantange of you know. For any that want to avail of it, there is an Advocate that will free of charge contest on your behalf, fight your corner and life for you.

Bonus question. What evidence is there to suggest that ur god is male?
Answer>>> You ought to get the facts right first and know that God is Spirit.

God is He, as much as, mother earth is she.
The pronoun, He, isnt used for God because God has a penïs copulatory organ. It is rude thinking of God in any ways like that
God is not an exclusion of female and the bible never suggested God is male. You know as well as me, that scripture exists alluding femininity to God.

MhizAngel99 you see why I said the questions were weak and low-grade, they seriously shouldnt have seen the light of the day. You wouldnt have asked these questions but you did because of your deficit knowledge.

I half-heartedly answered the questions and didnt really do justice at all to any

MhizAngel99:
@Muttey Laff

MhizAngel99:
If God is not subject to time, that makes him eternal and immutable, meaning he can't change his mind and has no emotions. He maintains one state of mind 4 eternity. Yahweh lacks this property as he is sometimes shown to display emotions.

MhizAngel99:
Logic can not precede a first cause. Its either God created it or he didn't. If he did, then what thought process was he operating wit if logic never existed. If we say that God defies logic, then you've admitted that there is no logical basis for your belief in god

MhizAngel99:
This doesnt answer the question. Any omniscient being has infinite knowledge about the present, past and future. How can a being who knows everything about the future have free will? His choices are already predetermined!

MhizAngel99:
4. ''Evil is the absence of good''
Are you saying God didn't create evil? If so then that means he is not the first cause of everything

MhizAngel99:
Part 2 of the rebuttal will soon be here. You just wait

MhizAngel99:
A god is any being that omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent etc. Anything without these properties doesnt qualify as a god. Not only did u dodge the question here, u went on to babble about nothing really

MhizAngel99:
Till date, no testifiable evidence has been found 4 the existence of god. If god was truly omnibenevolent, he would reveal himself such that atheists like myself wouldn't exist and there'd be no conflict of religion

MhizAngel99:
God is infinitely good. Natural disasters shouldn't exist in a world that was created by an omnibenevolent god. He created ALL things. The blame falls heavily on him

MhizAngel99:
Bullshit.
God is omniscient and eternal. All his actions are predetermined, and according to u, he isnt subject to time, that makes him eternal. There is no amount of prayer dat can change god's mind. Unless, it is according to his plan, u wont get any answer. Prayer is ultimately useless

MhizAngel99:
They say its better to let people think you're stupid rather than open your mouth and prove it.
@MuttleyLaff you're nothing but a joke.
Typical christian dunce