alBHAGDADI:

They have used the "work out your salvation" to deceive you. You do not know what the Bible verse is saying. Read it below to see that it is not saying you should go and save yourself.

Philippians 2:12-13
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.


When you go to the gym, what do you say you are doing? You say you are working out your muscles. Working it out means you already have it but you just want it to be more pronounced so you work it out. God put muscles in you when he created you.

So what abt d other questions i raisd?
Read phil. 2 vs 15, n u see wat u get 2 loose when u do nt work out ur salvation. And remba dat without purity, no 1 wil see god.

alBHAGDADI:


Lies, fornication, wickedness etc. We all commit those sins. But it is only one sin that sends men to hell fire. That son is rejecting Jesus Christ. If you accept Jesus, you will be saved from the damnation that those sins bring. But rejecting Jesus means those sins will condemn you.

But didn't Jesus said "if u love me, you will keep my commandments"?

You have come with this your doctrine from hell to lead people to hell.
Hebrews 12 14 says without holiness no one shall see God. Romans 12 1 & 2, Ephesians 5 25 - 27, Colossians 3 1 - 3, 1Thessalonians 5 22 - 24 all emphasize the role of sanctification in making heaven.

alBHAGDADI:

There is currently a false gospel out there which says once you accept Jesus and you go back to sin, you will lose your salvation. They make is seem like you are the one who saved yourself, hence their talk of you losing your salvation. So many people believe in this garbage gospel which is leading them straight to hell fire. Such people have called God a liar.

The proponents of this counterfeit gospel love to use Judas Iscariot as an example that one can lose his salvation. But was Judas Iscariot ever saved? Let the Bible enlighten us on that. First of all, what is the criteria for having everlasting life? It is the believe in Jesus.


John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Remember what Paul and Silas told that prison keeper when he asked what he could do to be saved.

Acts 16:30-31
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

As seen above, the only way to be saved is by believing in Jesus as the saviour. Now, did Judas Iscariot believe in Jesus? No he didn't and wasn't the only disciple of Jesus who didn't believe in him (hope you know Jesus had other disciples asides the 12). Read the below passage to see how Jesus pointed them out including Judas Iscariot.

John 6:53-71
53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

As seen in verse 64, Jesus knew those disciples of his that believed not in him and the one who will betray him. In verse 65, many of such disciples left him and went their way because they didn't believe in him. This made Jesus to ask his special 12 disciples if they were also going to leave him.

John 6:67-71
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Notice how Peter answered saying that they are staying with Jesus because they believe he has the words of ETERNAL LIFE and that they BELIEVE he is Christ the Son of God. Remember how John 3:16 said those who believe in Jesus have eternal life.

In Peter's mind all the 12 disciples believed in Jesus, but it wasn't so in the eyes of Jesus who knew one of them didn't believe in him. See what he said below.

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Clearly, Judas was never ever saved because he didn't believe in Jesus and he also was a devil as described by Jesus himself. So, for someone to sit somewhere and say Judas lost his salvation is the height of deceit.

Now, all those who believe they can lost their salvation are calling God a liar, and this clearly shows that they are not saved. They call God a liar by not believing in his record which he gave of his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You might say "oh, what is the record God gave of his Son?"
Just continue to the next verse because His stated what the record is.

1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

One thing you need to know is that the moment you accept Jesus as your saviour and you believe in him, you immediately get the holy spirit who is the witness seen in verse 10 above. Then you immediately get eternal or everlasting life. Even John 3:16 says the same thing.

Now, how are people calling God a liar? They call God a liar by not believing the record that God has given us eternal life. They believe once you sin after accepting Jesus, you immediately lose your salvation which means you have lost the eternal life God gave you for believing in Jesus. If they believe you can lose that eternal life, then was it ever eternal at all? Eternal life means never ending and this is fully achieved upon the resurrection, but you have it now. So if someone tells you you can lose your salvation, that person is saying God lied when he said he gave you eternal life for believing in his son. You have eternal life and you are not condemned because you believe in Jesus.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24]
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

All those who believe sin can make you lose your salvation are not trusting in Jesus who has come to save us from our sins. They are trusting in their works of righteousness to save them. They are clearly going to hell fire for rejecting Jesus and trying to save themselves. Works can't save you, it is only the grave of God through faith/believe in Jesus that can save you.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Christ has taken upon himself our sins and transfered his righteousness to us. That is why we are eternally saved regardless of whether we live holy or not.

1 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The true gospel is so sweet and a good news because it states that even if you do no works of righteous but you believe in Jesus, you still will make heaven because your faith in God has made you righteous.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Brothers, if you have believed in the false doctrine that says you can lose your salvation, please now is the time to throw it away. Leave that false church which is selling that counterfeit gospel to you. Find a church which believes in eternal security, but first say the below prayer.

" Father, I believe your son Jesus Christ has come to save me from ny sins because I cannot save my save. I hold on to your word which says those who believe have eternal life. Accept me because I now believe in those words."..Amen.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. In verse 29 I believe that isn't directed to unsaved people, or maybe you want to tell us again another story. And in verse 39, would anyone who has never been into sort of entanglement withdraws.. Funny preacher..

djon78:




I wanted to reply him exactly with the same word



And how do you work it out? Daily spending time in fellowship with the Lord, in studying God's word and prayer time. This will deeply grow and develop your spiritual life!!!!!

And wat is d result of ur spending ur time with god? Ur flesh dies gradually, n ur hatred 4 sin increases, thereby making u 2 stop sining. But if u refuse to work out ur salvation, ur flesh grows stronger, n ur spirit grows weaker, b4 u knw it, just like those seeds dat were sown in a thorny land, ur flesh snuffs dat lil light u ve, thus u loose ur salvation. As simple as ABC.

Salvation is all about your name being wriiten in the book of life. Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The moment you received Christ geniunely you receive the gift of the holy spirit which guides you in all truth. You are made righteous by the rioghteousness of Christ. At this point your name is in the book of life. The question now is can your name be blotted out? Yes of course by your actions. Example, if you have been booked into a first class airline and the day you were to check in you were no where to be found, the airline wont wait for you though you have paid and your name is in the manifest. Thats is what happened to the foolish 5 virgins. So the OP is technically right but his arguement was not well articulated. You are saved but the cares of life and the wordly things caught up with you and made you not to partake in the last supper. Death is the ultimate closure of the gate to the last supper with the lamb. The righteous can fall but a true believer will not stay in Sin, he must rise and continue in his salvation jorney.

JJOF:

He actually blivs in tithing, so he cant b freeze

alright thanks for clearing my doubts

alBHAGDADI:


As long as you are in the flesh, you will always sin.

Answer my question, what did Jesus tell the woman.

Mathew 25 : 1 - 13


Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. [2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. [3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: [4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. [5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. [6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. [7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. [8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. [9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so ; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. [10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. [11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. [12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. [13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.



'Watch' . If you do not watch and guard your 'Salvation', then you might end up in hell.



John 15 : 5 ,6



'I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. [6] If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.'


If you do not *abide* in Christ, you'll be cast off.



Colossians 1 : 21 - 23

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [22] In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [23] If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


Even Paul admitted that it was possible to move away from the hope of the gospel.
Do not be deceived! Live a righteous and blameless life, yes, it is possible to strive towards Perfection and to live Perfectly.



2Timothy 4 : 10

For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.


Demas Forsoke the gospel of Christ! It is very much possible to be lost .

pee777:
Salvation is all about your name being wriiten in the book of life. Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The moment you received Christ geniunely you receive the gift of the holy spirit which guides you in all truth. You are made righteous by the rioghteousness of Christ. At this point your name is in the book of life. The question now is can your name be blotted out? Yes of course by your actions. Example, if you have been booked into a first class airline and the day you were to check in you were no where to be found, the airline wont wait for you though you have paid and your name is in the manifest. Thats is what happened to the foolish 5 virgins. So the OP is technically right but his arguement was not well articulated. You are saved but the cares of life and the wordly things caught up with you and made you not to partake in the last supper. Death is the ultimate closure of the gate to the last supper with the lamb. The righteous can fall but a true believer will not stay in Sin, he must rise and continue in his salvation jorney.

Exactly bro, but the op isn't seeing it that way, according to his write up names can not be blotted out of the book of life because to him our past, present and future sins have already been forgiven..

pee777:
Salvation is all about your name being wriiten in the book of life. Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The moment you received Christ geniunely you receive the gift of the holy spirit which guides you in all truth. You are made righteous by the rioghteousness of Christ. At this point your name is in the book of life. The question now is can your name be blotted out? Yes of course by your actions. Example, if you have been booked into a first class airline and the day you were to check in you were no where to be found, the airline wont wait for you though you have paid and your name is in the manifest. Thats is what happened to the foolish 5 virgins. So the OP is technically right but his arguement was not well articulated. You are saved but the cares of life and the wordly things caught up with you and made you not to partake in the last supper. Death is the ultimate closure of the gate to the last supper with the lamb. The righteous can fall but a true believer will not stay in Sin, he must rise and continue in his salvation jorney.

This is what i understood about the post too,as a Muslim, it is correct that once you're saved, you're saved, but one musn't continue in sin which is the reason why it is said that we must continue to get closer to Allah/Ilah(God), and i believe getting close to Allah/Ilah(God) is the Christian equivalent of continuing to work your salvation. That is producing fruits of the spirit.

What the writer is trying to say is that after you're saved, Allah/ilah(God) will not take away your salvation if you sin, so in away your salvation is certain, because Rahma(Mercy/Forginess) exist, But even the bible says shall grace continue to abound. We can't continue to abuse grace because we know Allah/ilah(God) will forgive us.

So i understand that technically once you're saved you're saved, but there's still lots of work to do, and when you don't, you keep prolonging your walk with Allah/Ilah(God). This is what the writer should have explained

OP IS RIGHT.


Let me explain it this way.

Suppose you were a farmer working in your fields. It had rained the day before, and by the end of the day you were filthy and your clothes were covered with mud. (I grew up on a farm, and I know how easily this could happen!) Then suppose that when you came home your wife told you the governor had invited you for dinner that evening. But you knew that if you showed up in your dirty clothes, you’d be turned away—and when you went to your closet, everything else was dirty also. But then suppose the governor’s chauffeur drove up, and brought in a spotless suit of clothes that fit you perfectly! Now you could appear without embarrassment at the governor’s dinner.

This is a homely illustration, I know—but this is what Jesus Christ has done for us. We have no holiness of our own; as the Bible says, “All our righteous acts are like filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6). But when we come to Christ, God takes those rags away, and He clothes us instead with the perfect holiness of Christ. Yes, without Christ’s holiness we’ll never see God—but with it we will!

pee777:
Salvation is all about your name being wriiten in the book of life. Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The moment you received Christ geniunely you receive the gift of the holy spirit which guides you in all truth. You are made righteous by the rioghteousness of Christ. At this point your name is in the book of life. The question now is can your name be blotted out? Yes of course by your actions. Example, if you have been booked into a first class airline and the day you were to check in you were no where to be found, the airline wont wait for you though you have paid and your name is in the manifest. Thats is what happened to the foolish 5 virgins. So the OP is technically right but his arguement was not well articulated.

Bros TANCHU, TANCHUOOOO, TANCHU. This is simply wat i've bin trying to tell dis adamant op.

JJOF:

And wat is d result of ur spending ur time with god? Ur flesh dies gradually, n ur hatred 4 sin increases, thereby making u 2 stop sining. But if u refuse to work out ur salvation, ur flesh grows stronger, n ur spirit grows weaker, b4 u knw it, just like those seeds dat were sown in a thorny land, ur flesh snuffs dat lil light u ve, thus u loose ur salvation. As simple as ABC.

1 Peter said as new born babes desire the sincere milk of the word that you may grow thereby. The only way you grow as a Christian is by feeding on God's word. That is the only source of life.

When you neglect God's word, son dominates you, but the issue is that God never ever gives up on that person.

The major problem is that many of you are religious and judgemental.

A woman was caught in the very act of adultery. Did Jesus condemn her?


Mary Magdalen was a notorious harlot that Jesus saved.


Why was publicans and sinners comfortable in Jesus presence?


The main thing is that there are things I cannot just explain to you. Argument won't even do it.

OBAGADAFFI:


Answer my question, what did Jesus tell the woman.

Sin no more if I'm not mistaken, I didn't actually read the background. He won't be able to say that because he believes that he can't live without sin, he wouldn't want to contradict his belief..

So why is there a provision where people name is not out from the book of life. If one cannot loose his salvation why is their name blot out.Rev.3.5

djon78:



1 Peter said as new born babes desire the sincere milk of the word that you may grow thereby. The only way you grow as a Christian is by feeding on God's word. That is the only source of life.

When you neglect God's word, son dominates you, but the issue is that God never ever gives up on that person.

The major problem is that many of you are religious and judgemental.

A woman was caught in the very act of adultery. Did Jesus condemn her?


Mary Magdalen was a notorious harlot that Jesus saved.


Why was publicans and sinners comfortable in Jesus presence?


The main thing is that there are things I cannot just explain to you. Argument won't even do it.

Sir, there's nothing like being judgmental when preaching the word of God, 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart... Preaching the totality of words of God is not about sweet words..

na waoooow where this one for come from self?

damocool:

Sir, there's nothing like being judgmental when preaching the word of God, 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart... Preaching the totality of words of God is not about sweet words..

It has a lot to do with being judgmental.


You never answered my question


Why did the teachers of the law call Jesus a friend of sinners

Why did a notorious harlot like Mary so much love Jesus that she cleaned his feet with her tears to the extent the people there started condemning Jesus in there heart


Why did Jesus go to Samaria to talk with a woman who had married 5 different men and was now on the 6th man



God is not man. Men judge, condemn, criticise. The righteousness of man is filthy rag. The only righteousness that counts is the one that Jesus gives. And it only Jesus that gives it accessed by faith.

Bro please dont lead a lot of people to hell with this lax and very dangerous message, firstly the true presence of the Holy Spirit in a person only exudes righteosness, purity and holiness, sin will be an anathema to such(Galatians 5:16, 21-23), you will not want to deliberately continue in sin. Though errors occur once in a while, it will be inadvertent and the repentance after will be true and genuine with the determination that such will not occur again. The bible also says in Philipians 2:12 to work your salvation with fear and trembling, which means though one is saved, you must still keep making sure your salvation is intact by continuing to live holy. Also the fear of God is the realisation that you have of His constant presence and the fact that you will not like to see Him see you doing filthy things. Then the bible also talks about dying with your old self and its filthy works, you cannot claim to be really born again and still wilfully continue in sins, dont nailJesus on the cross again Hebrews 6.
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There is currently a false gospel out there which says once you accept Jesus and you go back to sin, you will lose your salvation. They make is seem like you are the one who saved yourself, hence their talk of you losing your salvation. So many people believe in this garbage gospel which is leading them straight to hell fire. Such people have called God a liar.

The proponents of this counterfeit gospel love to use Judas Iscariot as an example that one can lose his salvation. But was Judas Iscariot ever saved? Let the Bible enlighten us on that. First of all, what is the criteria for having everlasting life? It is the believe in Jesus.


John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Remember what Paul and Silas told that prison keeper when he asked what he could do to be saved.

Acts 16:30-31
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

As seen above, the only way to be saved is by believing in Jesus as the saviour. Now, did Judas Iscariot believe in Jesus? No he didn't and wasn't the only disciple of Jesus who didn't believe in him (hope you know Jesus had other disciples asides the 12). Read the below passage to see how Jesus pointed them out including Judas Iscariot.

John 6:53-71
53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

As seen in verse 64, Jesus knew those disciples of his that believed not in him and the one who will betray him. In verse 65, many of such disciples left him and went their way because they didn't believe in him. This made Jesus to ask his special 12 disciples if they were also going to leave him.

John 6:67-71
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Notice how Peter answered saying that they are staying with Jesus because they believe he has the words of ETERNAL LIFE and that they BELIEVE he is Christ the Son of God. Remember how John 3:16 said those who believe in Jesus have eternal life.

In Peter's mind all the 12 disciples believed in Jesus, but it wasn't so in the eyes of Jesus who knew one of them didn't believe in him. See what he said below.

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Clearly, Judas was never ever saved because he didn't believe in Jesus and he also was a devil as described by Jesus himself. So, for someone to sit somewhere and say Judas lost his salvation is the height of deceit.

Now, all those who believe they can lost their salvation are calling God a liar, and this clearly shows that they are not saved. They call God a liar by not believing in his record which he gave of his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

You might say "oh, what is the record God gave of his Son?"
Just continue to the next verse because His stated what the record is.

1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

One thing you need to know is that the moment you accept Jesus as your saviour and you believe in him, you immediately get the holy spirit who is the witness seen in verse 10 above. Then you immediately get eternal or everlasting life. Even John 3:16 says the same thing.

Now, how are people calling God a liar? They call God a liar by not believing the record that God has given us eternal life. They believe once you sin after accepting Jesus, you immediately lose your salvation which means you have lost the eternal life God gave you for believing in Jesus. If they believe you can lose that eternal life, then was it ever eternal at all? Eternal life means never ending and this is fully achieved upon the resurrection, but you have it now. So if someone tells you you can lose your salvation, that person is saying God lied when he said he gave you eternal life for believing in his son. You have eternal life and you are not condemned because you believe in Jesus.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24]
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

All those who believe sin can make you lose your salvation are not trusting in Jesus who has come to save us from our sins. They are trusting in their works of righteousness to save them. They are clearly going to hell fire for rejecting Jesus and trying to save themselves. Works can't save you, it is only the grave of God through faith/believe in Jesus that can save you.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Christ has taken upon himself our sins and transfered his righteousness to us. That is why we are eternally saved regardless of whether we live holy or not.

1 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The true gospel is so sweet and a good news because it states that even if you do no works of righteous but you believe in Jesus, you still will make heaven because your faith in God has made you righteous.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Brothers, if you have believed in the false doctrine that says you can lose your salvation, please now is the time to throw it away. Leave that false church which is selling that counterfeit gospel to you. Find a church which believes in eternal security, but first say the below prayer.

" Father, I believe your son Jesus Christ has come to save me from ny sins because I cannot save my save. I hold on to your word which says those who believe have eternal life. Accept me because I now believe in those words."..Amen.[/quote]

djon78:



1 Peter said as new born babes desire the sincere milk of the word that you may grow thereby. The only way you grow as a Christian is by feeding on God's word. That is the only source of life.

When you neglect God's word, son dominates you, but the issue is that God never ever gives up on that person.

The major problem is that many of you are religious and judgemental.

A woman was caught in the very act of adultery. Did Jesus condemn her?
Mary Magdalen was a notorious harlot that Jesus saved.
Why was publicans and sinners comfortable in Jesus presence?
The main thing is that there are things I cannot just explain to you. Argument won't even do it.

I'm very sure u didn't read my prev comments, if u had, u wldn't ve typd diz. Anyways, to ur tents o Israel, let evry man kip his blivs. My only joy is dat gullible xtian who came 2 dis thread must ve seen lot of pointers 2 d fact dat u can't live in n enjoy sin n claim u re saved. Adieus. OVER N OUT.

alBHAGDADI:
Except a man be born agaim is different from repenting of sins. Being born again is the same as believing in Jesus. Repenting of sins is not writen I'm the Bible as a requirement for heaven.

God will have mercy on you

For the fact that you an apologetic doesn't mean you should deflate the wheel of Salvation.

John Started Preaching repentance -Matt 3:2
Jesus Continue to Preach repentance Matt 4:17
Jesus declared that he came to call sinners to repentance - Matt 9:13
Jesus condemned the jews because they did not repent - Matt 11:20

GoodMuyis:


God will have mercy on you

For the fact that you an apologetic doesn't mean you should deflate the wheel of Salvation.

John Started Preaching repentance -Matt 3:2
Jesus Continue to Preach repentance Matt 4:17
Jesus declared that he came to call sinners to repentance - Matt 9:13
Jesus condemned the jews because they did not repent - Matt 11:20

Please, it is not everywhere you see the word repent that it means repent from your sins. Repent simply means turn from something to another. Otherwise are we to say God committed sin when the bi me said below that he repented?

Exodus 32:14
And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

God did not commit any sin, he simply turned from one plan to another, that's why the Bible said he repented.

Those verses you quoted did not say repent of your sins. They simply were telling the Jews who were dependent on their works of righteousness to repent from it because Jesus Christ who is the kingdom of God is at hand.

Mathew 3:1-2
1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mathew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The only one that is talking about repenting of sins clearly stated it.

Mathew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

JJOF:

But didn't Jesus said "if u love me, you will keep my commandments"?

Yes, he did. But what are his commandments? Do you think your clean will allow you keep it all?

OBAGADAFFI:


Answer my question, what did Jesus tell the woman.

He said she should go and see no more. Does that sound like "go and sin no more or you won't make heaven"?

If u like go dey consult babalawo and tink say ur salvation go still dey intact.... na straight to Hell u dey go so if u no go back to christ at once....

djon78:



That is why we have so many non effective Christians. They think it is by there own power!!!
Personally spending time daily in studying God's word and prayer has so much built my life.


It is in fellowship you connect to the living God and His power transforms you to live like Jesus.
It is his power at work in my life

The reactions on this thread has made me sad. The true gospel is now boldly rejected and the lie is fully accepted wholeheartedly. Thanks to Pentecostal churches whom Satan has used to sell this lie of a gospel. Before the invention of Pentecostalism, no one believed one could lose his salvation. Every denomination believed in eternal security e.g the Baptists, evangelicals except the Catholics who are false and pagan. All of a sudden, Pentecostalism came from nowhere and started selling falsehood. Their huge find has helped them again ground so much that whatever they say is seen as final for Christianity. Ask many of those who believe they can lose their salvation, they are Pentecostal church goers.

This writer hmm you had better not lead people to hell with your false teaching(heresies). You so much believed that you are very versed in the scriptures perhaps you have forgotten that Satan knows the scripture better than you do. You are simply giving people license to continuing sining. The same scripture says in Romans 6verse 1-2 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"
Luke 9verse 62 "And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

Now what was Jesus insinuating here saying no man having put his hands to the plough and looking back is fit for the kingdom of God
Putting hand on the Plough here mean reaching out for Eternal life.(Salvation).
Looking back mean going back to SIN.

It is very true that we are Saved by Grace and not of our own works but in keeping you saved to eternal you also have work to do
Philippians 2:12 says Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Hebrew 12 verse 14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

SIR IF THESE SCRIPTURES VERSES RING BELL IN YOUR EAR, YOU HAD BETTER HAVE A RETHINK THAT ANY MAN THAT GO BACK TO SIN CAN LOSE HIS SALVATION.

JJOF:

I'm very sure u didn't read my prev comments, if u had, u wldn't ve typd diz. Anyways, to ur tents o Israel, let evry man kip his blivs. My only joy is dat gullible xtian who came 2 dis thread must ve seen lot of pointers 2 d fact dat u can't live in n enjoy sin n claim u re saved. Adieus. OVER N OUT.

And did I in any way say that I as a Christian enjoys sin

Infanct a child of God when he makes mistake his heart condemns him. A Christian can never be comfortable in sin. Most especially the wonderful fellowship he enjoys with the Father.

True Christianity is having a personal relationship with the father. A heart to heart fellowship. A daily walk with the Lord. He directs everything about you. Romans 8 said they that are led by the spirit of the Lord are the sons of God.
I can tell you that is my daily life.

Go and read the book of John and see what Jesus said about his relationship with the father.


Read Hebrews 12 where the father disciplines those that are his why That they may be partakers of his holiness

I am not here quoting Bible rather experiencing and proving God's word in my daily life.


Most of you will be surprised on the last day. Many of the people you condemn and judge are known in heaven while some of you are not even known

alBHAGDADI:
Jesus was telling them to repent from their old belief of Judaism into believing in him.

Its plain enough, read it from verse 1. Repentance is always from sin. He is still a holy God and still hates sin..stop explaining away scriptures to suit yourself... Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart/ repent from iniquity!.. Names can be added or removed from the book of life...That is sure

alBHAGDADI:


The reactions on this thread has made me sad. The true gospel is now boldly rejected and the lie is fully accepted wholeheartedly. Thanks to Pentecostal churches whom Satan has used to sell this lie of a gospel. Before the invention of Pentecostalism, no one believed one could lose his salvation. Every denomination believed in eternal security e.g the Baptists, evangelicals except the Catholics who are false and pagan. All of a sudden, Pentecostalism came from nowhere and started selling falsehood. Their huge find has helped them again ground so much that whatever they say is seen as final for Christianity. Ask many of those who believe they can lose their salvation, they are Pentecostal church goers.

Most of this people have not experienced God.
How many Nigerian Christians devote there time to daily study of God's word

They just gubble down doctrines of men taught them by men, but they don't know God one on one.


See walking with God, nothing can be compared to it in this whole wide world. Man is a spirit has a soul and lives in a body.
God we worship is a spirit.
And Jesus told us in John 6 that the flesh profits nothing but his words are spirit and life.

Interesting15:
Op, you are so wrong! Your doctrine is false!

and Satanic