5thElement:


That is why Paul said to work out our salvation in FEAR and TREMBLING because it isn't sure.

That you are a Christian doesn't mean you will get to heaven. The road to hell is paved with the skulls of many so-called pastors and priests and Christians.

Christ's death brought redemption for all. But only a few will be saved.

Indeed, many are called (Christians) but few are chosen (the saved).

Falsehood

Believe on the Lord Jesus and though shall be saved

What is redemption

You redeem something by paying a price
Jesus got eternal redemption with his blood

1/Peter 1 said that we have been redeemed not with corruptible things as silver and gold but by the precious blood of Jesus



All you wrote up there are falsehood, deception lies and of the devil.

OBAGADAFFI:
Eternal security is false doctrine.


Did Demas not lose his salvation?

guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,--1 Timothy 6:20

alBHAGDADI:


Doubt is different from losing faith. John the Baptist had doubts that's why he sent his disciples to ask Jesus if he is truly the Messiah, same John who baptized Jesus, saw the Holy Spirit descend on him and a voice proclaiming him to be the son of God.

No man is holy, not one.

Romans 3:10-12
10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11     no one understands;
    no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
    no one does good,
    not even one.”

Word and opposite

Doubt - Faith

When you doubt that God exists, what do you call that? Exactly. Lack of faith.

That man's holiness is like worthless rags before the All-Holy God doesn't mean we should stop trying to be holy.

You guys just keep contradicting Jesus Christ.

What did He mean when he said " Be perfect/holy just as your heavenly Father is perfect/holy"?

You think sinners will get to heaven? Lol.

If everybody held this kind of belief you are spouting here, how do you think the world will look like even if we all are Christians?

Imagine everybody in the world has accepted Jesus and believe in him, and all are assured of heaven no matter the crimes and sins we commit. Lol.

This world will be like hell.

If I am assured of heaven why shouldn't I be out there right now bleeping some hoe? Huh?

alBHAGDADI:
He said she should go and see no more. Does that sound like "go and sin no more or you won't make heaven"?

John 8:11 (KJV) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Jesus commanded her not to continue in her sin.

Repentance means turning around from the old part.

Discipline is required to be a sound Christmas

The Grace of God Is always available is you want to be discipline.

djon78:




Falsehood

Believe on the Lord Jesus and though shall be saved

What is redemption

You redeem something by paying a price
Jesus got eternal redemption with his blood

1/Peter 1 said that we have been redeemed not with corruptible things as silver and gold but by the precious blood of Jesus



All you wrote up there are falsehood, deception lies and of the devil.

Lol.


James 2: 14-26 Faith without good works is dead.


Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.


END OF STORY.

alBHAGDADI:


Doubt is different from losing faith. John the Baptist had doubts that's why he sent his disciples to ask Jesus if he is truly the Messiah, same John who baptized Jesus, saw the Holy Spirit descend on him and a voice proclaiming him to be the son of God.

No man is holy, not one.

Romans 3:10-12
10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11     no one understands;
    no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
    no one does good,
    not even one.”

James 2: 14-26 Faith without good works is dead.


Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

END OF DISCUSSION.

5thElement:


That is why Paul said to work out our salvation in FEAR and TREMBLING because it isn't sure.

That you are a Christian doesn't mean you will get to heaven. The road to hell is paved with the skulls of many so-called pastors and priests and Christians.

Christ's death brought redemption for all. But only a few will be saved.

Indeed, many are called (Christians) but few are chosen (the saved).

So what will get u to heaven? Not sinning?? Then nobody will get to heaven trust me. U don’t understand. Ur best behavior is still like filty rags. If u depend on ur works or self perfection u will not make heaven. For sure.

Ur continuous salvation is to help u and not God. It’s to keep ur mind believing what he has already done which makes ur perfect. Not u trying to be perfect by urself.

Hier:


One that is wide spread now. I really don't know where they got that revelation from. I mean it's a misunderstood one, we will talk now, some people would say we are under the influence of religion, that's the sad part

The false doctrine was introduced by modern day Liberal Christians.

jaxxy:



So what will get u to heaven? Not sinning?? Then nobody will get to heaven trust me. U don’t understand. Ur best behavior is still like filty rags. If u depend on ur works or self perfection u will not make heaven. For sure.

Ur continuous salvation is to help u and not God. It’s to keep ur mind believing what he has already done which makes ur perfect. Not u trying to be perfect by urself.

James 2: 14-26 Faith without good works is dead.


Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.


READ YOUR BIBLE WELL.

5thElement:


Word and opposite

Doubt - Faith

When you doubt that God exists, what do you call that? Exactly. Lack of faith.

That man's holiness is like worthless rags before the All-Holy God doesn't mean we should stop trying to be holy.

You guys just keep contradicting Jesus Christ.

What did He mean when he said " Be perfect/holy just as your heavenly Father is perfect/holy"?

You think sinners will get to heaven? Lol.

If everybody held this kind of belief you are spouting here, how do you think the world will look like even if we all are Christians?

Imagine everybody in the world has accepted Jesus and believe in him, and all are assured of heaven no matter the crimes and sins we commit. Lol.

This world will be like hell.

If I am assured of heaven why shouldn't I be out there right now bleeping some hoe? Huh?

Romans 8 vs 2 States that what the law could not do in that it was weakened by the flesh God sending his own son in like of flesh condemned sin in the flesh. That the righteous requirements of the law may be met in us who work not at the flesh but after the spirit.


Israel could not keep God's law because of the sinful flesh


God sent his son to condemn sin in the flesh.


No man can by his own power live above sin


Romans 3 vs 23 for all have sin and come short of Glory of God


That is where a true believer will understand and appreciate Jesus coming


Jesus did not come for himself

John called him the Lamb of God

5thElement:


Lol.


James 2: 14-26 Faith without good works is dead.


Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.


END OF STORY.

What you quoted has no correlation with what I wrote

alBHAGDADI:


You can't even lose your faith. Of you know what faith is, you won't say it can be lost. You can only have doubts, not lose faith.

Hmmmm. Yes I know we can have doubts.

djon78:




Romans 8 vs 2 States that what the law could not do in that it was weakened by the flesh God sending his own son in like of flesh condemned sin in the flesh. That the righteous requirements of the law may be met in us who work not at the flesh but after the spirit.


Israel could not keep God's law because of the sinful flesh


God sent his son to condemn sin in the flesh.


No man can by his own power live above sin


Romans 3 vs 23 for all have sin and come short of Glory of God


That is where a true believer will understand and appreciate Jesus coming


Jesus did not come for himself

John called him the Lamb of God

I don't believe in arguing for argument's sake. I believe I have closed this thread with the quotation from the letter of James. Unless you can show me it's a wrong quotation or that part of the Bible is wrong.

5thElement:


Lol.


James 2: 14-26 Faith without good works is dead.


Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.


END OF STORY.

The passage you quoted says a man's faith is justified by his works. You can't say you have faith if you don't show good works. But this doesn't mean having faith without works is wrong. If you have faith/believe and you show no works, you are still righteous before God because your believe in Jesus Christ will justify you where works is missing.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

OBAGADAFFI:


The false doctrine was introduced by modern day Liberal Christians.

Actually by Martin Luther. It's called the Sola Scriptura, Sola Fidei clause by the so-called "reformers" who believed that Christianity stood on two legs, belief in the Scriptures only as the sole word of God and Faith alone as the means of salvation.

People generally don't read. Both legs have been knocked out hundreds of years ago.

Anybody who is interested can get a book titled, Rome Sweet Home.

It's an interesting book.

alBHAGDADI:
Except a man be born agaim is different from repenting of sins. Being born again is the same as believing in Jesus. Repenting of sins is not writen I'm the Bible as a requirement for heaven.

Hear the word of the Sovereign LORD O simple one:

...You are the enemy of righteousness. You are full of all kinds of evil tricks, and you always keep trying to turn the Lord's truths into lies! -- Acts 13:10

For by a word you make a man out to be an offender, and lay a snare for him who reproves in the gate, and with an empty plea turn aside him who is in the right.--Isaiah 29:21

You say, "We are wise because we have the teachings and laws of the LORD." But I say that your teachers have turned my words into lies!--Jeremiah 8:8

Accept Jesus with your whole heart and soul, and Incline your ears to the reproves of life for your own good and for the good of the children after you.!!!"

5thElement:


I don't believe in arguing for argument's sake. I believe I have closed this thread with the quotation from the letter of James. Unless you can show me it's a wrong quotation or that part of the Bible is wrong.

I am not arguing with you


You ate spreading falsehood and I am extracting the true word of God to expose your love es



Jesus told the Jews you are like your father the devil. Who abode not in the Truth and the father of all liars

The devil and false prophets peddle lies


Counter what I put there or keep shut

alBHAGDADI:
The passage you quoted says a man's faith is justified by his works. You can't say you have faith if you don't show good works. But this doesn't mean having faith without works is wrong. If you have faith/believe and you show no works, you are still righteous before God because your believe in Jesus Christ will justify you where works is missing.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Try harder bro. You are only clutching at straws now.

When Martin Luther, the originator of the heretical ideas you are spouting here read that quotation from St. James, he called it "the epistle of straw".

Google is your friend.

Google Martin Luther and the epistle of straw and read what it says.

Can't help you if you can't comprehend simple passage.

Faith without good works is dead. It can't be put simpler than that.

5thElement:


Word and opposite

Doubt - Faith

When you doubt that God exists, what do you call that? Exactly. Lack of faith.

That man's holiness is like worthless rags before the All-Holy God doesn't mean we should stop trying to be holy.

You guys just keep contradicting Jesus Christ.

What did He mean when he said " Be perfect/holy just as your heavenly Father is perfect/holy"?

You think sinners will get to heaven? Lol.

If everybody held this kind of belief you are spouting here, how do you think the world will look like even if we all are Christians?

Imagine everybody in the world has accepted Jesus and believe in him, and all are assured of heaven no matter the crimes and sins we commit. Lol.

This world will be like hell.

If I am assured of heaven why shouldn't I be out there right now bleeping some hoe? Huh?

Go ahead and sleep with prostitutes. When you lose all your money and get STD, just blame yourself alone. Sin will make you suffer here on earth. Rejection of Jesus Christ is what damns you eternally. Believe in Jesus saves you from the damnation your sins would have plunged you into eternally.

5thElement:



James 2: 14-26 Faith without good works is dead.


Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.


READ YOUR BIBLE WELL.

I have read all these scriptures severally I just can’t quote them off hand or reference them quickly.

I know this quite well and it brings me back to my question. Was Abraham himself a perfect man without sin? This aswer is No. Why because no man can fulfill the law. If u want to judge urself by the law u will ultimately fail and that is why Christ came. Ur work of salvation is continuous bt not what makes u perfect.

Abcruz:


Hear the word of the Sovereign LORD O simple one:

...You are the enemy of righteousness. You are full of all kinds of evil tricks, and you always keep trying to turn the Lord's truths into lies! -- Acts 13:10

For by a word you make a man out to be an offender, and lay a snare for him who reproves in the gate, and with an empty plea turn aside him who is in the right.--Isaiah 29:21

You say, "We are wise because we have the teachings and laws of the LORD." But I say that your teachers have turned my words into lies!--Jeremiah 8:8

Accept Jesus with your whole heart and soul, and Incline your ears to the reproves of life for your own good and for the good of the children after you.!!!"

The verses are actually speaking to you.

djon78:



I am not arguing with you


You ate spreading falsehood and I am extracting the true word of God to expose your love es



Jesus told the Jews you are like your father the devil. Who abode not in the Truth and the father of all liars

The devil and false prophets peddle lies


Counter what I put there or keep shut

The true word of God according to Mr. djon. Lol.

Here's an easy advice for you, if you have a short fuse, best not to engage in Christian apologetics. You'll only blow a gasket.

I understand that you think you are right. Which is OK. There certainly is bliss in ignorance...for the meanwhile.

I'm done here.

ANY "SCRIPTURE", PREACHING, TEXT OR WORDS THAT MAKES YOU LIVE COMFORTABLY IN SIN IS FROM THE PIT OF HELL

djon78:
I was listening to Pastor Joseph Prince recently (in fact he is number 1 preacher I listen to) and he said that in the book of Acts the early apostles always said believe in the Lord Jesus and though shall be saved. Salvation is strictly believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, Romans 10 throws more light on it.

The reason why we have a very ineffective body of Christ is because of many wrong teachings that has been going on. And these teachings does not transform lives of people, but put people under so much bondages


As for this topic I agree to it. If people understand salvation, whom God is, His nature you will understand that God has loved us with everlasting love. God is not man. God doesn't condemn. In fact it is the goodness of God that brings us to repentance.

gbam

jaxxy:



I have read all these scriptures severally I just can’t quote them off hand or reference them quickly.

I know this quite well and it brings me back to my question. Was Abraham himself a perfect man without sin? This aswer is No. Why because no man can fulfill the law. If u want to judge urself by the law u will ultimately fail and that is why Christ came. Ur work of salvation is continuous bt not what makes u perfect.

So, when Jesus Christ commanded us to "be perfect" just as our heavenly Father is perfect, are you saying he was just mouthing off words he didn't mean?

5thElement:


The true word of God according to Mr. djon. Lol.

Here's an easy advice for you, if you have a short fuse, best not to engage in Christian apologetics. You'll only blow a gasket.

I understand that you think you are right. Which is OK. There certainly is bliss in ignorance...for the meanwhile.

I'm done here.

You are a liar and spreading Falsehood


Counter what I said


You think the Bible is a philosophical book


The Bible is the living word of God


The Bible Carey's life of God


Power to live above sin

djon78:
I was listening to Pastor Joseph Prince recently (in fact he is number 1 preacher I listen to) and he said that in the book of Acts the early apostles always said believe in the Lord Jesus and though shall be saved. Salvation is strictly believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, Romans 10 throws more light on it.

The reason why we have a very ineffective body of Christ is because of many wrong teachings that has been going on. And these teachings does not transform lives of people, but put people under so much bondages


As for this topic I agree to it. If people understand salvation, whom God is, His nature you will understand that God has loved us with everlasting love. God is not man. God doesn't condemn. In fact it is the goodness of God that brings us to repentance.

You probably should stop listening to dubious pastors bro and read your bible more.

Epistle of St James: Faith without works is dead. Simple as A, B, and C.

alBHAGDADI:


Go ahead and sleep with prostitutes. When you lose all your money and get STD, just blame yourself alone. Sin will make you suffer here on earth. Rejection of Jesus Christ is what damns you eternally. Believe in Jesus saves you from the damnation your sins would have plunged you into eternally.

My people persish for lack of wisdom. Sin can bring its own troubles if Ure stupid bt people sin and will repent. Even if u don’t think u sin if u don’t repent u are proud which is another sin in itself. Repentance is a work and sign of Faith.

alBHAGDADI:


Go ahead and sleep with prostitutes. When you lose all your money and get STD, just blame yourself alone. Sin will make you suffer here on earth. Rejection of Jesus Christ is what damns you eternally. Believe in Jesus saves you from the damnation your sins would have plunged you into eternally.

What if I always use a condom, would that be alright?

Very ridiculous.

djon78:



You are a liar and spreading Falsehood


Counter what I said


You think the Bible is a philosophical book


The Bible is the living word of God


The Bible Carey's life of God


Power to live above sin

Are you saying that your pastors are sinless?

5thElement:


So, when Jesus Christ commanded us to "be perfect" just as our heavenly Father is perfect, are you saying he was just mouthing off words he didn't mean?

He was saying we shud be perfect sure asin work at it. Was any of his disciples perfect? How many of them did he condemn for not being perfect? Can u be perfect in one day? 3years? 30years? Tell me. Even in ur so-called perfection without Christ work ur are a bloody sinner b4 God. Ur works is nothing

5thElement:


What if I always use a condom, would that be alright?

Very ridiculous.

Even the manufacturers of condoms say it Not always effectiveness protection.