prolog311:
You exposed yourself as an emotional ethnic bigot with this comment. Discussing further with you is futile.

prolog311:
You exposed yourself as an emotional ethnic bigot with this comment. Discussing further with you is futile.

prolog311:
People, please ignore the troll above. Benin Kingdom has been in contact with European kingdoms since the 15th century and in that time the Europeans wrote a lit about Benin. They wrote what they saw and even though the eyewitnesses died hundreds of years ago, their written work survived and are exposed in museums around the world. Benin history didn't start with 1897. That is actually the year Benin lost a war to Britain. But ignorant people don't need to know all this.
And please Mr Yoruba liar, try to be more original than singing the praises of yoribacentric liars who were pushing the narrative which you desperately want all to believe. Nobody in Europe takes you people's trash seriously. You can only fool the fools and I am not one of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDquEWi3dXk

Yoruba have no history and desperately want to claim other people's. They believe that their majority status in nigeria should enable them take over Edo history. But history doesn't work like that. You can't change it just because you are many. Deal with it.

prolog311:
People, please ignore the troll above. Benin Kingdom has been in contact with European kingdoms since the 15th century and in that time the Europeans wrote a lit about Benin. They wrote what they saw and even though the eyewitnesses died hundreds of years ago, their written work survived and are exposed in museums around the world. Benin history didn't start with 1897. That is actually the year Benin lost a war to Britain. But ignorant people don't need to know all this.
And please Mr Yoruba liar, try to be more original than singing the praises of yoribacentric liars who were pushing the narrative which you desperately want all to believe. Nobody in Europe takes you people's trash seriously. You can only fool the fools and I am not one of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDquEWi3dXk

Yoruba have no history and desperately want to claim other people's. They believe that their majority status in nigeria should enable them take over Edo history. But history doesn't work like that. You can't change it just because you are many. Deal with it.

prolog311:
Someone should help me locate bight of ife or bight of Yoruba... People should accept facts and stop trying to rewrite history. Benin empire was great and was the main power in the region now referred to as southern Nigeria. Accept this and move on with your lives. You can not change the passed and you can't create history. You can only change the future.

TAO11:


Hahaha!

Straw-man! Straw-man!! Straw-man!!!

If you're so convinced that you're an expert at being cunning, then let's see how you will overturn the evidence-backed argument I have adduced above.

prolog311 post=78299214i:
Someone should help me locate bight of ife or bight of Yoruba... People should accept facts and stop trying to rewrite history. Benin empire was great and was the main power in the region now referred to as southern Nigeria. Accept this and move on with your lives. You can not change the passed and you can't create history. You can only change the future.

TAO11:


Strawman! Strawman!! Strawman!!!

No one here ever claimed that there is no bight of Benin. No one here ever claimed that there is anything named bight of Ife or bight of Yoruba. I doubt if you even know what the word "bight" in the phrase "bight of Benin" means.

Moreover, no one here ever claimed that the Bini kingdom was never great. Of course it was just as several other kingdoms in West Africa. In fact, it will be a shame (and a failure) on Ile-Ife if Bini was never great because that was apparently the original mission of the Ife monarchy as I have earlier demonstrated with evidence.

But to make a grandiose claim that Bini kingdom is the greatest ever in West Africa (or more specifically that it was ever greater than its mother-kingdom Ife as I have demonstrated with evidence) is what you can not just leave hanging without providing evidence for.

Address my original argument point by point if you're man enough, I challenge you.

prolog311:
keep your mouth shot. I don't have time to go through your lengthy rubbish full with fraudulent claims. It suffices to say that in the precolonial era, nobody saw ife as important enough to write about it and the British didn't even fight ife, your ooni immediately surrendered. Ife's might is only in your imagination. What was the precolonial architecture of ife ? You people' s craziness seems boundless. Nobody except village idiots take your ife stories seriously. Your ooni doesn't even have a royal outfit dated more than 200 years old.

prolog311:
Your ooni goes to british museum to see Yoruba or ife art and all he sees at two Yoruba things surrounded by a huge bunch of Edo royal art.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

prolog311:
You guys need to stop taking everybody for fools.
You repeat your lie everyday in the hope it would one day be considered truth, but you are only wasting your lives away. Repeating that the sky is red everyday will not change the colour of the sky.

TAO11:


Cos we were respected and our arts were not looted against our will.

We willingly gave out whatever we gave out.

TAO11:


You don't have time to go through it, meaning you gave a false and lying impression when you pretended to be "refuting" the argument.

How more contradictory, inconsistent, and confused can you be?

prolog311:

Where do you spell respect when talking about a people who gave up without a fight ? You definitely were given the respect of those who surrender without fighting. Besides you have never had anything even close the more than 7000 stolen Edo royal art.

You had no architecture... Stop comparing what can not be compared. Your lengthy lies won't change facts.

prolog311:


I read enough of your rubbing to realise it were rubbish and I know you, I have debated you before. You have no logics, no honesty and no facts. You are just a troll, and the best is to ignore you. Which I have been doing for a while.

TAO11:


You fought yet your property was looted en masse, your city was burnt, your palace destroyed, and your Oba Ovanramwen Nogbaisi was paraded like a criminal in his own kingdom before been expelled from his kingdom like an abomination.

Please don't annoy me today so I won't offend reasonable Edos oo

prolog311:

As the brave man suffers, the coward laughs.
You thought I would feel something when you wrote that, right ? We can all see that your imagination and lying behaviour has no limits. On my part I feel nothing.
As a boxer I prefer to be knocked out than to give up without a fight. All warriors understand this, but cowards and slaves and liars like the Yoruba will never understand this.

TAO11:


Are you saying that your property was not looted en masse, your city was not burnt, your palace was not destroyed, and your Oba Ovanramwen Nogbaisi was not paraded like a criminal in his own kingdom before been expelled from his kingdom like an abomination?

Are you saying that?

Plus that was not even a fight, history books report it as the Benin Massacre.

It was as the case of an ant being oppressed by (and at the mercy of) an elephant.

Stop making me give reasonable Edos terrible memories?

prolog311:
History:= the study of texts written by eyewitnesses.
Myth:= stories claiming things happened in the passed.

Quoting a so called academic whom is writing myths can not in any way be considered a proof of any claim. Proof doesn't depend on academic status. Nor does it need you to build up reputations of those whom you want to quote. That is the oldest fraud in the world. Just like when trump tells fox or breitbart to write a certain thing in their news and then he quotes that same thing as fact with fox and breitbart as proof.

These stupid tricks won't carry you anywhere. Proof is a mathematical thing whose value is objective and not subjective. It doesn't depend on whom writes it, it exists on its own. That is why people ask for proof, not for reputation of a person whom you want to quote.

prolog311:
keep talking. Cowards like to talk and talk and talk. We lost a war... Keep embelishing and please make it funny. It amuses me how you mix facts with lies and and insults. All this coming from an ife person who's ooni gave up without a fight ? Cowards, liars and slaves want mock brave people... Nigeria, an upside down country... As you have noticed Benin City and many other cities of Benin Kingdom were demolished while ife wasn't, yet ife boasts of no indigenous houses worth talking about. All houses in ife are colonial or post colonial constructs, yet ife was not destroyed. This leads to conclusion ife was not civilised in precolonial days. Benin Kingdom was civilised with houses and all, those are the things which were destroyed, very few houses survived Though.

TAO11:


Hahaha, your mumuism has no ending.

Did you just say citing experts is not sufficient as proof?

You mean that citing expert is not proof if others do it, but it is proof if you do, by citing video documentaries made by Osanobua academics in the field.

You're just a super emotional and ignorant clown.

And "proof" is a term used in academic research generally It is not restricted to mathematics. You don't even know who you're talking to. Stop assuming too much

prolog311:
Fool I quoted nobody. Just mentioned a name I dropped. It would be best if I could talk to you in person in order to knock some sense into you. Right now you are being very irrational. You are calling me emotional while I made no emotions statement. You are deliberately as usual confusing the mere quotation of others as proof. I have already told you what history means. Providing proof requires your claim to be true which is not the case and which is why you new strategy (old really) is to redefine the word proof. Troll, now talk alone or with your other two Yoruba who saw it fit for three Yoruba to simultaneously engage just one Edo. The truth is powerful and you Yoruba guys are going to need to engage in a 50 million vs 1 fight in order to not get completely obliterated by the truth and your slave passed.

prolog311:
My message here is to Edo. I obviously have other things to do than to engage Yoruba trolls all day and the reason I left nairaland is because you end up having the same debate over and over again with people who defy logics, facts and decency.
Some of these yoruba folks seem to have no life outside of social media. They repeat the same talking points and quote the same people a little bit like a rag tag brain washed cult. Please don't follow these yoruba slaves into discussion fables like ogiso, oduduwa and oranmiyan. Stick to actual history, recorded by eyewitnesses. And be smart, don't fall for their stupid tricks. Always ask for proof of claims made. And know what the word proof means. Don't let the crooks redefine it for you. Don't let them abuse your time and don't fall for their tricks.

God bless.

kunmiiii:
You guys are still going hither and thither on this matter, how interesting... By the way, I read every single word of that mention this morning, I mean every single word and I was wowed, still doing some further reading with references to some of the quotes.

Ok, Now back to the matter, as much as i know, i believe proof should be a degree of evidence which convinces the mind of an argument and produces belief whether by a test of facts which induce, or probably tend to induce a certainty of a judgment with conclusive evidence and demonstration which TAO11 has rightly done thus far.