tctrills:

Because he doesn't agree with you.
Because he chooses to believe the bible and not you

Bible said worshipers of God must have the same line of thought as regards to faith {John 17:22} so present your fellow believers sharing your line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

MaxInDHouse:

Bible said worshipers of God must have the same line of thought as regards to faith {John 17:22} so present your fellow believers sharing your line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

God never said they should have false beliefs as their line of thoughts

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ, all those dying from the time of Abel till today are all in their graves (hell) due to Adamic sin! Romans 5:12

Still in their graves does not make Adam's sin the greatest. The grave is a place if rest for the righteous.
Please point to any verse that states that Adam's sin is worst than yours
1The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. 2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.
Proverbs 14:32
32 The wicked is driven away in his wickedness: but the righteous hath hope in his death.
Psalm 116:15
15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.

achorladey:


+/- 4 monikers, that was his Maximus69 deactivated account

Very corrupt fellow

tctrills:

Very corrupt fellow

Looooool! He will do everything in his power to project his corrupt nature on others.

tctrills:

God never said they should have false beliefs as their line of thoughts

That's where you failed woefully because falsehood can never ever make people from different geographical locations on this planet share the same line of thought and work out what is beneficial not to talk of what God actually promised! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Therefore you are the one lost in falsehood as you and nobody could share the same line of thought on faith just as God's only begotten Son begged his father! John 17:22

tctrills:

Still in their graves does not make Adam's sin the greatest. The grave is a place if rest for the righteous.

Grave and Hell means the same thing!

Grave (modern day English) Hell (16th century English) Sheol (Hebrew) Hades (Greek) all have the same meaning!

tctrills:

Very corrupt fellow

Your personal opinion regarding my faith unless you and anyone else could share the same belief on faith and prove me wrong!

MaxInDHouse:


Grave and Hell means the same thing!

Grave (modern day English) Hell (16th century English) Sheol (Hebrew) Hades (Greek) all have the same meaning!

We can have this discussion but let's not get distracted

MaxInDHouse:

That's where you failed woefully because falsehood can never ever make people from different geographical locations on this planet share the same line of thought and work out what is beneficial not to talk of what God actually promised! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Therefore you are the one lost in falsehood as you and nobody could share the same line of thought on faith just as God's only begotten Son begged his father! John 17:22

Actually, falsehoods can make people from different geographical locations share the same line of thought.

tctrills:

We can have this discussion but let's not get distracted

You're not fit for a sensible discussion.

Because the Bible made it clear that Hell is Grave and all dead people goes there so you're wrong to say:

No one would go to hell for Adam's sin

When that's where all those dead are going due to Adamic sin! Romans 5:12 compare to 6:23

tctrills:

Actually, falsehoods can make people from different geographical locations share the same line of thought.

Now you're lying shamelessly because there is no evidence of what you just typed.

Same line of thought means they will all judge matters the same way hence they will never ever fight themselves over judicial matters as they have agreed on the same line of judgment.

Do you know any group of humans who have gathered people from all the nations on this planet and achieved that?

MaxInDHouse:

Now you're lying shamelessly because there is no evidence of what you just typed.

Same line of thought means they will all judge matters the same way hence they will never ever fight themselves over judicial matters as they have agreed on the same line of judgment.

Do you know any group of humans who have gathered people from all the nations on this planet and achieved that?

You really have an English problem. You don't even understand the meaning of the words you used.
Pls stop embarrassing yourself. And stop being lazy. Use your dictionary and learn.

MaxInDHouse:


You're not fit for a sensible discussion.

Because the Bible made it clear that Hell is Grave and all dead people goes there so you're wrong to say:



When that's where all those dead are going due to Adamic sin! Romans 5:12 compare to 6:23

Are you sure you want to start this topic. Tell me so I can shame you.

tctrills:

You really have an English problem. You don't even understand the meaning of the words you used. Pls stop embarrassing yourself. And stop being lazy. Use your dictionary and learn.

tctrills:

Are you sure you want to start this topic. Tell me so I can shame you.

Now the source of your problem has become obvious, you're not ready for wisdom rather you're looking for people to shame no wonder you keep arguing blindly just to feel good.

It's OK, please don't shame me i'm begging you!

MaxInDHouse:



Now the source of your problem has become obvious, you're not ready for wisdom rather you're looking for people to shame no wonder you keep arguing blindly just to feel good.

It's OK, please don't shame me i'm begging you!

Look at this man that can't define a simple phase talking about wisdom.
You claimed to be the smartest on earth yet you get confused by simple English words.
There is no wisdom in JW and you have no wisdom to give.
I don't want to become like you. I don't want to make falsehoods my wisdom.

tctrills:

Look at this man that can't define a simple phase talking about wisdom.
You claimed to be the smartest on earth yet you get confused by simple English words.
There is no wisdom in JW and you have no wisdom to give.
I don't want to become like you. I don't want to make falsehoods my wisdom.

wisdom

*An element of personal character that enables one to distinguish the wise from the unwise.

*A piece of wise advice.
The discretionary use of knowledge for the greatest good.

*The ability to apply relevant knowledge in an insightful way, especially to different situations from that in which the knowledge was gained.

*The ability to make a decision based on the combination of knowledge, experience, and intuitive understanding.

*The ability to know and apply spiritual truths.

A group of wombats.
A group of owls.

The above is Oxford definition of WISDOM so i am fully convinced that in the absence of what is PRACTICALLY APPLICABLE in the society the word WISDOM is useless.
Therefore WISDOM can rightly be defined as the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of accumulated information for maximum benefit.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses have WISDOM if the dictionary's definition is correct because none of those claiming they're wise can present any fine WORKS their so called wisdom achieved for the benefit of mankind! James 2:18-25

MaxInDHouse:


wisdom

*An element of personal character that enables one to distinguish the wise from the unwise.

*A piece of wise advice.
The discretionary use of knowledge for the greatest good.

*The ability to apply relevant knowledge in an insightful way, especially to different situations from that in which the knowledge was gained.

*The ability to make a decision based on the combination of knowledge, experience, and intuitive understanding.

*The ability to know and apply spiritual truths.

A group of wombats.
A group of owls.

The above is Oxford definition of WISDOM so i am fully convinced that in the absence of what is PRACTICALLY APPLICABLE in the society the word WISDOM is useless.
Therefore WISDOM can rightly be defined as the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of accumulated information for maximum benefit.
Only Jehovah's Witnesses have WISDOM if the dictionary's definition is correct because none of those claiming they're wise can present any fine WORKS their so called wisdom achieved for the benefit of mankind! James 2:18-25

The only works you show are works of falsehoods.
You can't compare your fake works to that of the Catholic, salvation army, 7 days Adventist just to name a few.
You make so much noise about works but these organizations are quietly making the world a better places with their labours of love
and charity.
So clearly, you are not wise.

tctrills:

The only works you show are works of falsehoods.
You can't compare your fake works to that of the Catholic, salvation army, 7 days Adventist just to name a few.
You make so much noise about works but these organizations are quietly making the world a better places with their labours of love
and charity.
So clearly, you are not wise.

Can you quote a verse in the Bible that shows the works these religions are doing is from the divine?

When God's word say WORKS it's Jesus that's talking here and i'm sure you know what Jesus meant by WORKS because he can't be talking about something that unbelievers can do well for that will make no sense again if atheists are also able to do the same works Jesus won't say we must believe in him.

So please point to the works any other religion is doing that is from the divine which atheists and pagans aren't able to do.

Let me say what only God's organization can do:

They will gather people from all races, they will use what they found in God's word to teach themselves, they will divert their resources into production of food and information materials, they will erase the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3

That's the work Jesus assigned to his disciples as he taught them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers separated from the foolish world! Act 1:8

Oya i'm all ears listening patiently to know the FINE WORKS those religions are doing that all other religions and atheists can't do!

MaxInDHouse:


Can you quote a verse in the Bible that shows the works these religions are doing is from the divine?

When God's word say WORKS it's Jesus that's talking here and i'm sure you know what Jesus meant by WORKS because he can't be talking about something that unbelievers can do well for that will make no sense again if atheists are also able to do the same works Jesus won't say we must believe in him.

So please point to the works any other religion is doing that is from the divine which atheists and pagans aren't able to do.

Let me say what only God's organization can do:

They will gather people from all races, they will use what they found in God's word to teach themselves, they will divert their resources into production of food and information materials, they will erase the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3

That's the work Jesus assigned to his disciples as he taught them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers separated from the foolish world! Act 1:8

Oya i'm all ears listening patiently to know the FINE WORKS those religions are doing that all other religions and atheists can't do!

Oga the verses you quoted have nothing to do with JW. The fact that you twisted prophecy doesn't make this about JW.
Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3 both talk about a time when Christ shall Judge among all nations and would be the government of the time. It never spoke about an organization or church.
So please find another verse to back up your falsehoods.
It says,
nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Clearly, that day has not come.
Please learn to read the verse before quoting it.
Now let me quote a verse to show that the works of the organizations I mentioned are of God.
James 1:27
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

tctrills:

Oga the verses you quoted have nothing to do with JW. The fact that you twisted prophecy doesn't make this about JW.
Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated at Micah 4:1-3 both talk about a time when Christ shall Judge among all nations and would be the government of the time. It never spoke about an organization or church.
So please find another verse to back up your falsehoods.
It says,
nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Clearly, that day has not come.
Please learn to read the verse before quoting it.
Now let me quote a verse to show that the works of the organizations I mentioned are of God.
James 1:27
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Why have you sealed your heart to the truth found in God's word?

Well the highlighted is related to Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Please what is the most active factor that puts people in the condition of being WIDOWS and ORPHANS?
Is it not WARS?
Well apart from visiting people in their homes Jehovah's Witnesses have taught all their members to keep themselves UNSPOTTED from the bloodshed that's increasing widows and fatherless throughout the earth.

Do you now understand why the Bible is all about JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

MaxInDHouse:


Why have you sealed your heart to the truth of God's word?

Well the highlighted is related to Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Let's talk about God's words and not your guesswork.
Isaiah 2:2-4

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Here it states that on that day, God's house would be on a mountain and all nations would come to it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Now it tells us the location, Jerusalem. This makes sense because Jerusalem is a plateau in the Judaean Mountains
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Jesus Christ would be the judge of the nations.
There would be an end to global war.
Now in all these, how does this concern JW.
Stop forcing yourself into a prophecy that doesn't concern you.

tctrills:

Let's talk about God's words and not your guesswork.
Isaiah 2:2-4

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Here it states that on that day, God's house would be on a mountain and all nations would come to it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Now it tells us the location, Jerusalem. This makes sense because Jerusalem is a plateau in the Judaean Mountains
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Jesus Christ would be the judge of the nations.
There would be an end to global war.
Now in all these, how does this concern JW.
Stop forcing yourself into a prophecy that doesn't concern you.

OLÓDO!

The first verse nullified your argument!

It clearly stated that the mountain of the Lord's house will be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it

Ọmọ the Lord's house connotes pure worship God's word is saying it will be established above all false religions {Matthew 5:14-16} so that sincere and honest hearted individuals from all the nations will flock into pure worship {Act 1:8} how will this happen?
Malachi answered:

Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. Malachi 3:16-18

That's why Jesus commanded Jehovah's Witnesses to go preaching and teaching so that they can achieve this! Matthew 28:18-20

That's what they're doing today: God's will. Matthew 7:21-23

So let it be known today that if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses there's no way your name can enter the book of life {Revelations 20:15} Malachi 3:16 clearly stated that God ordered angels to start penning down the names of those associating with Jehovah's Witnesses and studying the Bible with them!

MaxInDHouse:


OLÓDO!

The first verse nullified your argument!

It clearly stated that the mountain of the Lord's house will be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it

Ọmọ the Lord's house connotes pure worship God's word is saying it will be established above all false religions {Matthew 5:14-16} so that sincere and honest hearted individuals from all the nations will flock into pure worship {Act 1:8} how will this happen?
Malachi answered:

Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. Malachi 3:16-18

That's why Jesus commanded Jehovah's Witnesses to go preaching and teaching so that they can achieve this! Matthew 28:18-20

That's what they're doing today: God's will. Matthew 7:21-23

So let it be known today that if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses there's no way your name can enter the book of life {Revelations 20:15} Malachi 3:16 clearly stated that God ordered angels to start penning down the names of those associating with Jehovah's Witnesses and studying the Bible with them!

Now you are doing your funny guesswork translation.
But let's play with your guesswork a bit.
Where is this mountain located?
Just because you want the verse to mean something doesn't make it that thing
Any church can claim this passage was talking about them.
But clearly this was talking about a future time when Christ would rule the nations and there would be no more wars.
Every christian believes in this and looks forward to that time.
I understand that you have to believe the JW false narrative but at least, learn to ask questions to your leaders.
For example, ask your bosses, this passage was talking of a time when all nations would be at peace, clearly the time has not yet come so why claim the passage has anything to do with JW?

tctrills:

Where is this mountain located?

It's a spiritual mountain that's viewed globally when Jesus said his disciples will be like the house built on top of the highest mountain to be seen globally {Matthew 5:14-16} he is talking about pure worship that's in spirit and truth not about a geographical location! John 4:24
Throughout the earth today people are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses as if their own people who joined the organization aren't their own people anymore due to their trying to put on the new personality. Ephesians 4:22-24

tctrills:

This passage was talking of a time when all nations would be at peace.

The nations here means people from different countries just as Jehovah told Abraham when he is yet to have a child. So from God's viewpoint those fulfilling this prophecy will become the nations when all unbelievers are destroyed!

MaxInDHouse:

It's a spiritual mountain that's viewed globally when Jesus said his disciples will be like the house built on top of the highest mountain to be seen globally {Matthew 5:14-16} he is talking about pure worship that's in spirit and truth not about a geographical location! John 4:24
Throughout the earth today people are talking about Jehovah's Witnesses as if their own people who joined the organization aren't their own people anymore due to their trying to put on the new personality. Ephesians 4:22-24

The nations here means people from different countries just as Jehovah told Abraham when he is yet to have a child. So from God's viewpoint those fulfilling this prophecy will become the nations when all unbelievers are destroyed!

Lol
Everything you say, a Cele member will say the same. An olumba olumba member will say the same.
Anyone can say that the bible was referring to his church but that does not make it so.
Now what do you mean when you say a spiritual mountain. Please define a spiritual mountain

tctrills:

Lol
Everything you say, a Cele member will say the same. An olumba olumba member will say the same.
Anyone can say that the bible was referring to his church but that does not make it so.

Now you're talking!
So you know not only Jehovah's Witnesses say this then why are you so temperamental?
The truth is that all religionists are saying the same thing but they can't point to evidence just as i've been quoting the Bible to show you how only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing God's will today!

tctrills:

Now what do you mean when you say a spiritual mountain. Please define a spiritual mountain

Spiritual mountains means religions people look up to for help that's why David said he will look up to the mountain of his own God! Psalms 121:1-2

MaxInDHouse:

Now you're talking!
So you know not only Jehovah's Witnesses say this then why are you so temperamental?
I am not tempermantal I am only calling out your falsehoods. Do you understand.

The truth is that all religionists are saying the same thing but they can't point to evidence just as i've been quoting the Bible to show you how only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing God's will today!
They all quote the very same passage you quote and claims it's talking about their organization just like you claim it's talking about JW. There is no difference with what you all do.

Spiritual mountains means religions people look up to for help that's why David said he will look up to the mountain of his own God! Psalms 121:1-2

Loool even the verse you quoted does not make such a definition.
Do you see my point? Any church can quote a passage of scripture and say it's talking about them.
You shared a passage of scripture that clearly prophecies about Jesus Christ ruling over the entire world and a period where nations would no longer be at war and claim it's evidence for JW.
Any orioke church would also tell you that the same passage is proof of their church.
In fact, I know at least 2 churches that use those same verses in Isaiah as their evidence.
Have you heard of William M. Branham, He too uses Isaiah 2:2-4 along with many other bible verses as his evidence. So you see just because your church leaders mistranslate or give false explanations doesn't make it right.

tctrills:
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I know at least 2 churches that use those same verses in Isaiah as their evidence.
Have you heard of William M. Branham, He too uses Isaiah 2:2-4 along with many other bible verses as his evidence.

Good!
So if that's true then why are you worried that my own church is saying the same?
Is it because members of my own church have reasons to believe and say it?
Or you're bitter that some people actually believe in the fact that others will perish while they inherit the earth just as the Bible foretold?

MaxInDHouse:


Good!
So if that's true then why are you worried that my own church is saying the same?
Is it because members of my own church have reasons to believe and say it?
Or you're bitter that some people actually believe in the fact that others will perish while they inherit the earth just as the Bible foretold?

I have never been worried about your church. You are the one so desperately trying to market you fake organization to me and I only give you reasons why I am not buying it.
I treat you the same way I treat any other false marketer trying to push his products into my hands.
I only go for real and authentic products.

tctrills:

I have never been worried about your church. You are the one so desperately trying to market you fake organization to me and I only give you reasons why I am not buying it.
I treat you the same way I treat any other false marketer trying to push his products into my hands. I only go for real and authentic products.

So can you quote one member of the religions you mentioned on this forum:
Catholics , Seventh Day Adventis, Olumba, Cele or any other that's MARKETING his FAKE ORGANIZATION to you on this forum apart from Jehovah's Witnesses? Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8

MaxInDHouse:

So can you quote one member of the religions you mentioned on this forum:
Catholics , Seventh Day Adventis, Olumba, Cele or any other that's MARKETING his FAKE ORGANIZATION to you on this forum apart from Jehovah's Witnesses? Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8

Oga do you see any one from these organizations marketing themselves on this thread?
I can't go on a thread a start mentioning JW unless I am having a conversation with JW marketers.
I don't go about attacking people and religious even when I don't agree.
But if you are trying to sell a false organizations view point it's my duty to point you out.
Now talking about preaching the gospel, the Catholic have over 1billion members. They did not get there by sleeping at home. They are far better missionaries than you will ever be. Even a new church like winners has more members than you do. Clearly they are reaching out more than you are.