We are told in Genesis that the tree they eat from is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and once Adam and Eve eat the fruit they have knowledge of good and evil. So how can eating the fruit be a sin if they had no knowledge that it was evil? You may say that God directly told them not to eat from the tree and by definition sin is rebelling against God but the Bible also tells us that we are judged on what we know and Adam and Eve had no knowledge that God was good or the serpent was evil?
If God truly judges us by what we know as stated in Romans 2:12 how could God judge Adam and Eve as sinful considering they had no knowledge of good and evil. All they knew was that they had been told if they ate the fruit they would die and told by another the fruit would give them wisdom.
Is there something I'm missing from the story or do I just not understand?

Neymar1095:
We are told in Genesis that the tree they eat from is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and once Adam and Eve eat the fruit they have knowledge of good and evil. So how can eating the fruit be a sin if they had no knowledge that it was evil? You may say that God directly told them not to eat from the tree and by definition sin is rebelling against God but the Bible also tells us that we are judged on what we know and Adam and Eve had no knowledge that God was good or the serpent was evil?
If God truly judges us by what we know as stated in Romans 2:12 how could God judge Adam and Eve as sinful considering they had no knowledge of good and evil. All they knew was that they had been told if they ate the fruit they would die and told by another the fruit would give them wisdom.
Is there something I'm missing from the story or do I just not understand?

Hmmm,
It's the understanding of a mere reader that you're applying here, that's why you're having difficulty gaining insight from the scriptures!

First of all, let's meditate on the two words GOOD and BAD, then KNOWLEDGE. Or Knowledge, then Good and Bad respectively as it appears in the scriptures.
These three words connotes the sense of identifying dos and donts or appropriate and inappropriate. Simply cote RULES!
So who supposed to set standards{RULES}, Humans or God?

Adam and Eve surely knew good and bad as regards the layman's terms but the bone of contention here is 'who will set the standards?'
God has been the one teaching them what's next to do and not to do since their existence, so they felt like liberating themselves from such.
That's what led us to where we're today, because in a bid to set standards for our fellow man, we've been dominating ourselves to injury and excruciating pains! Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9
Of course we were not created to direct our own steps talkless directing others as a ruler! Jeremiah 10:23

That's why God's word foretold a time when all those ruling including their supporters will be totally exterminated from the surface of the earth! Daniel 2:44

God has set his government, he has installed his own King { Psalms 2:6} and all those opposed to that King perhaps due to their political affluence or interest {Luke 18:18-23} will be killed by God's chosen king! Luke 19:27

All of these you'll learn from the TRUE Christians, if you're ready and it's all FREE of charge! Revelation 22:17

God bless you!

Neymar1095:
■ We are told in Genesis that the tree they eat from is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and once Adam and Eve eat the fruit they have knowledge of good and evil. So how can eating the fruit be a sin if they had no knowledge that it was evil? You may say that God directly told them not to eat from the tree and by definition sin is rebelling against God but the Bible also tells us that we are judged on what we know and Adam and Eve had no knowledge that God was good or the serpent was evil?
■ If God truly judges us by what we know as stated in Romans 2:12 how could God judge Adam and Eve as sinful considering they had no knowledge of good and evil. All they knew was that they had been told if they ate the fruit they would die and told by another the fruit would give them wisdom.
Is there something I'm missing from the story or do I just not understand?

Adam and Eve were created and deemed of good(righteous) quality by God meaning they knew enough to know good was obedience and evil was disobedience of the actual commandments(God's Law) which God gave to them. That was all the knowledge of good and evil they needed.

2. God does not judge anyone by what they know or do not know. Rather, God judges by the standard which is His Law, the agreement between Him and man. The standard that Adam and Eve were judged is the Law which God gave to them which is detailed in Genesis 2. That is the same Law which Adam and Eve both of whom were approved righteous from their creation by God broke, and were hence punished for by God.

Hmmm,
It's the understanding of a mere reader that you're applying here, that's why you're having difficulty gaining insight from the scriptures!

First of all, let's meditate on the two words GOOD and BAD, then KNOWLEDGE. Or Knowledge, then Good and Bad respectively as it appears in the scriptures.
These three words connotes the sense of identifying dos and donts or appropriate and inappropriate. Simply cote RULES!
So who supposed to set standards{RULES}, Humans or God?

Adam and Eve surely knew good and bad as regards the layman's terms but the bone of contention here is 'who will set the standards?'
God has been the one teaching them what's next to do and not to do since their existence, so they felt like liberating themselves from such.
That's what led us to where we're today, because in a bid to set standards for our fellow man, we've been dominating ourselves to injury and excruciating pains! Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9
Of course we were not created to direct our own steps talkless directing others as a ruler! Jeremiah 10:23

That's why God's word foretold a time when all those ruling including their supporters will be totally exterminated from the surface of the earth! Daniel 2:44

God has set his government, he has installed his own King { Psalms 2:6} and all those opposed to that King perhaps due to their political affluence or interest {Luke 18:18-23} will be killed by God's chosen king! Luke 19:27

All of these you'll learn from the TRUE Christians, if you're ready and it's all FREE of charge! Revelation 22:17

God bless you!

The bible tells you that they did not know good and bad but you seem to know more than God.
You decided that somehow, the bible's narrative is incorrect.
These are people that didn't even realize their unclothedness.
I advise you to stop adding and subtracting from the word. It's ok to believe the bible.

[quote author=Kobojunkiee post=127420778]Adam and Eve were created and deemed of good(righteous) quality by God meaning they knew enough to know good was obedience and evil was disobedience of the actual commandments(God's Law) which God gave to them. That was all the knowledge of good and evil they needed.

Your logic does not make sense. Even the birds and the fish were deemed good by God, does that mean they knew enough to know good.
The bible clearly states that they did not have the knowledge of good and evil prior to eating the fruit. So who do we believe, you or the bible.

tctrills:
■ Your logic does not make sense. Even the birds and the fish were deemed good by God, does that mean they knew enough to know good.
■ The bible clearly states that they did not have the knowledge of good and evil prior to eating the fruit. So who do we believe, you or the bible.

Scripture has it that those approved good(righteous) by God are those who have the knowledge of His Law and His Law defines for man what is good and what is evil. For animals, it could mean something along similar lines, who knows.

2. Where did Scripture tell you this?

Kobojunkiee:
Scripture has it that those approved good(righteous) by God are those who have the knowledge of His Law and His Law defines for man what is good and what is evil. For animals, it could mean something along similar lines, who knows.

2. Where did Scripture tell you this?

Oga there is a Big difference between good and righteous. So when God finished his creation, he said everything he had created was good. This included the birds on the air and the fish. This does not mean that the birds and the fish are righteous. Please find out the difference

2. Clearly you don't read your bible. Now here is the word of God pertaining to Adam and Eve after they ate the fruit.

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

I am sure you don't even believe the very words of God and you would argue against it.

tctrills:
■ Oga there is a Big difference between good and righteous. So when God finished his creation, he said everything he had created was good. This included the birds on the air and the fish. This does not mean that the birds and the fish are righteous. Please find out the difference
2. Clearly you don't read your bible. Now here is the word of God pertaining to Adam and Eve after they ate the fruit.

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

I am sure you don't even believe the very words of God and you would argue against it.

1. You are the one who thinks there is a difference so tell us since according to Scripture, God is good and goodness(righteousness) is by His standard and approval. I don't decide what He can approve good(righteous) and what He can't.

2. The verse does not state what you claim at all..

You claimed they did not know good and evil before eating but that verse does not say that at all.

tctrills:

The bible tells you that they did not know good and bad but you seem to know more than God. You decided that somehow, the bible's narrative is incorrect. These are people that didn't even realize their unclothedness. I advise you to stop adding and subtracting from the word. It's ok to believe the bible.

If you need understanding stop being hypocritical with your approach!

The GOOD and BAD mentioned in that verse is not literal just as SERPENT and TREE aren't the serpent and tree we know today.

Adam and Eve surely knows what is good from what is bad literally speaking their problem is about submission they want to be on their own without anyone setting standards for them while they set standards for others.

That's what Satan (Serpent) introduce them to and they welcomed the new development.
Politics is their goal, they won't have to rely on God to tell them how each family will live their lives on the planet rather they will be the rulers or just as the Bible puts it Gods! Psalms 82:6 compare to Genesis 3:5

MaxInDHouse:


If you need understanding stop being hypocritical with your approach!

The GOOD and BAD mentioned in that verse is not literal just as SERPENT and TREE aren't the serpent and tree we know today.

Adam and Eve surely knows what is good from what is bad literally speaking their problem is about submission they want to be on their own without anyone setting standards for them while they set standards for others.

That's what Satan (Serpent) introduce them to and they welcomed the new development.
Politics is their goal, they won't have to rely on God to tell them how each family will live their lives on the planet rather they will be the rulers or just as the Bible puts it Gods! Psalms 82:6 compare to Genesis 3:5

Another man claiming to know more than God.
God says they did not know good and evil but you a man knows better. Who do we believe, you or God.
If they knew good and evil, God would have said so. Stop making God a liar.

Kobojunkiee:
1. You are the one who thinks there is a difference so tell us since according to Scripture, God is good and goodness(righteousness) is by His standard and approval. I don't decide what He can approve good(righteous) and what He can't.

2. The verse does not state what you claim at all..

You claimed they did not know good and evil before eating but that verse does not say that at all.

Obviously you don't understand simple English.
Do I first give you a lesson in English. Ok let's do it this way, please explain what you think the verse is saying.

tctrills:

Another man claiming to know more than God. God says they did not know good and evil but you a man knows better. Who do we believe, you or God. If they knew good and evil, God would have said so. Stop making God a liar.

You feel like reading without grasping but that is your own cup of coffee don't quote me if you hate wisdom. I just told you that the GOOD and BAD mentioned in that chapter of the Bible is not literally what we know as good and bad today!

tctrills:


The bible tells you that they did not know good and bad but you seem to know more than God.
You decided that somehow, the bible's narrative is incorrect.
These are people that didn't even realize their unclothedness.
I advise you to stop adding and subtracting from the word. It's ok to believe the bible.

They did not know that eating of that tree was bad?

Aemmyjah:


They did not know that eating of that tree was bad?

Yes, according to the bible.

Aemmyjah:

They did not know that eating of that tree was bad?

That's how confused most of them are yet they want to argue. If their God and Father said they should not eat and they decided to eat from the viewpoint of tctrills they don't even know that such action is BAD.

Sometimes i wonder how most people do think yet he will beat up his own child for disobeying him claiming what the child did is BAD!

MaxInDHouse:


You feel like reading without grasping but that is your own cup of coffee don't quote me if you hate wisdom. I just told you that the GOOD and BAD mentioned in that chapter of the Bible is not literally what we know as good and bad today!

You think good and bad is not literally good and bad? Lol.
Human beings trying to twist the word of God.
God told you they did not know good and bad but because it dies not fit your narrative, you are willing to create a new meaning for good and bad.
Who told you that the good and bad is not literal?

tctrills:

Yes, according to the bible.

Just say according to your own myopic view because Jesus sent out his disciples to TEACH people like you so that you won't take SYMBOLIC TERM literally!

MaxInDHouse:

Just say according to your own myopic view because Jesus sent out his disciples to TEACH people like you so that you won't take SYMBOLIC TERM literally!

No, stop the attacks and read your Bible. No guesswork please. Just because you feel it is symbolic does not mean it has to be.

tctrills:

Who told you that the good and bad is not literal?

COMMON SENSE!

If they don't know what is GOOD and BAD literally speaking there is no justification for their punishment.

Do you now see how stupid it will sound when you're punishing someone when he or she doesn't even know what he did wrong?

Neymar1095:
We are told in Genesis that the tree they eat from is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and once Adam and Eve eat the fruit they have knowledge of good and evil. So how can eating the fruit be a sin if they had no knowledge that it was evil? You may say that God directly told them not to eat from the tree and by definition sin is rebelling against God but the Bible also tells us that we are judged on what we know and Adam and Eve had no knowledge that God was good or the serpent was evil?
If God truly judges us by what we know as stated in Romans 2:12 how could God judge Adam and Eve as sinful considering they had no knowledge of good and evil. All they knew was that they had been told if they ate the fruit they would die and told by another the fruit would give them wisdom.
Is there something I'm missing from the story or do I just not understand?

Moral of the story. Just avoid any one or any system that makes you disobey God.

tctrills:

No, stop the attacks and read your Bible. No guesswork please. Just because you feel it is symbolic does not mean it has to be.

If you order your child not to do something and he did it after a strict warning is his action GOOD or BAD?
Will you punish the child?

MaxInDHouse:


COMMON SENSE!

If they don't know what is GOOD and BAD literally speaking there is no justification for their punishment.
Now you see you lack common sense. My child dies not know good and bad but like every good dad, I am teaching him the consequences of his actions from a very young age.


Do you now see how stupid it will sound when you're punishing someone when he or she doesn't even know what he did wrong?

When my baby for example beats another baby I give him a little punishment to know that he did wrong.
Thats the problem with you trying to use common sense to override the word of God, you end up being stupid.

MaxInDHouse:


If you order your child not to do something and he did it after a strict warning is his action GOOD or BAD?
Will you punish the child?

What does your question have to do with Adam and Eve knowing good or bad . My 3 years old baby does not know good and bad but when he does wrong, I give him a fitting punishment so he can learn. Does that mean that he knows good and bad.
Same with my dog. Do animals know good and bad?

tctrills:

Now you see you lack common sense. My child dies not know good and bad but like every good dad, I am teaching him the consequences of his actions from a very young age.

Does the above shows common sense at all in relation to what we're discussing?
OK you taught your child the consequences of his action from a very young age but are you saying God didn't do the same with Adam and Eve? Genesis 2:17

tctrills:

[/b] When my baby for example beats another baby I give him a little punishment to know that he did wrong. Thats the problem with you trying to use common sense to override the word of God, you end up being stupid.

Guy punishment connotes the child knows that such action is BAD since he will not like to be beaten so why beat another child?

tctrills:

What does your question have to do with Adam and Eve knowing good or bad . My 3 years old baby does not know good and bad but when he does wrong, I give him a fitting punishment so he can learn. Does that mean that he knows good and bad.
Same with my dog. Do animals know good and bad?

Adam and Eve were adults strictly warned not to do something and they did it so if you punish a baby who hasn't even been told the consequences of what he did beforehand how come you want to justify that Adam and Eve doesn't know GOOD and BAD literally?

Please Mr tctrills next time watch out before quoting me the OP has made a lot of sense with his post all he needs is explanations but if you feel others are wrong just quote him and aur your own opinion.

MaxInDHouse:

Does the above shows common sense at all in relation to what we're discussing?
OK you taught your child the consequences of his action from a very young age but are you saying God didn't do the same with Adam and Eve? Genesis 2:17
What's your point here?

Guy punishment connotes the child knows that such action is BAD since he will not like to be beaten so why beat another child?

You are so wrong. So my 3 years son hits his friend and I send him to his room as punishment does that mean the baby knows right from wrong?
Please in which book did you read that punishment connotes knowing wrong from right.
Stop saying what you can't prove.
Some time ago, I was given a driving ticket for driving on a one-way. I did not know yet I was punished.
Where did you get your wrong idea from.

MaxInDHouse:


Adam and Eve were adults strictly warned not to do something and they did it so if you punish a baby who hasn't even been told the consequences of what he did beforehand how come you want to justify that Adam and Eve doesn't know GOOD and BAD literally?

Please Mr tctrills next time watch out before quoting me the OP has made a lot of sense with his post all he needs is explanations but if you feel others are wrong just quote him and aur your own opinion.

What makes one an adult? And it doesn't matter their age as long as they did not know good and evil.
Now you seem very uncomfortable with me quoting you. Oga relax. Don't be intimidated. We are not fighting.

tctrills:
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You are so wrong. So my 3 years son hits his friend and I send him to his room as punishment does that mean the baby knows right from wrong?
Please in which book did you read that punishment connotes knowing wrong from right.
Stop saying what you can't prove.
Some time ago, I was given a driving ticket for driving on a one-way. I did not know yet I was punished.
Where did you get your wrong idea from.

If someone doesn't know what is bad there's no justification for punishment that's common sense.
Ticket for driving on one-way totally differs from this because the people issuing ticket only want to generate revenue for their rulers under normal circumstances what should be done is a signpost indicating that's a one-way without such a signpost it wrong to punish anyone driving along such a road.
God has given Adam and Eve a warning not to eat from that tree so they already know it's BAD to do so!

Please Mr tctrills next time watch out before quoting me the OP has made a lot of sense with his post all he needs is explanations but if you feel others are wrong just quote him and aur your own opinion. [/quote]
Oga, if I accuse you of dishonesty now you would start throwing tantrums. You were the one who quoted me on this thread.
Please learn to do unto others as you want them to do unto you
You quoted me and turned around to accuse me of quoting you. What kind of low integrity person are you?
Again, I would quote you whenever I feel like.

tctrills:

What makes one an adult? And it doesn't matter their age as long as they did not know good and evil.
Now you seem very uncomfortable with me quoting you. Oga relax. Don't be intimidated. We are not fighting.

The WARNING is what makes the difference here.
I hate it when people who are HYPOCRITES in their judgment come up talking trash that's why i told you not to quote me because you're not liberal just now you've started insulting me about common sense so while i love chatting with people i hate hypocrites passing insults simply because their opinion is not accepted.

Adam and Eve knew what they did was BAD because they've been WARNED!

MaxInDHouse:


If you need understanding stop being hypocritical with your approach!

The GOOD and BAD mentioned in that verse is not literal just as SERPENT and TREE aren't the serpent and tree we know today.

Adam and Eve surely knows what is good from what is bad literally speaking their problem is about submission they want to be on their own without anyone setting standards for them while they set standards for others.

That's what Satan (Serpent) introduce them to and they welcomed the new development.
Politics is their goal, they won't have to rely on God to tell them how each family will live their lives on the planet rather they will be the rulers or just as the Bible puts it Gods! Psalms 82:6 compare to Genesis 3:5

Baba, you were the one who quoted me here. I understand you get uncomfortable when I am on you case so why start what you can't finish

tctrills:
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Oga, if I accuse you of dishonesty now you would start throwing tantrums. You were the one who quoted me on this thread.

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni you quoted me first. I wouldn't have quoted you because i already know you're an hypocrite.
Check my signature on the post you quoted!