tctrills:

God sent Jesus Christ to die

God also would allow you die
Yes he does all this for his love.
Let's start from something you can understand, it seems I am going too fast for you.
Do you think God loved Adam and Eve?
What does God do when does he loves go against his command?
Isaiah 1.18 may help you answer this.

Go and pronounce death on your son na cos you love him

Aemmyjah:


Go and pronounce death on your son na cos you love him

Now you are forgetting what I already taught you.
God man's punishment is not the same as God's punishment.
God sent his son to die.
God stuck the children of Israel to death when they disobed but I don't kill my children for disobedience.
Please check the thread, I have already taught you this.

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You are already a false teacher
Adam sold us into sin
It was not of my own doing
But God still loves me nonetheless
God does not hate anyone but he shows loyal love [b]only to his own friends
The wicked he will destroy[/b]
Another man blaming Adam for his sins.
So Satan lured Adam and he sined is that not the same way Satan lured everyone of us and we also sin. Please what did Adam do that you have not done. Unless you have never disobed God.

Did Adam and Eve do what is [b]bad? Yes
Was God's pronouncement on them cos he loves them? No, same way a judge pronouncing death on his own son not a sign of love
Poor illustrations... A man claiming to know Bible cannot show godly wisdom... He won't curse his own son or expel him from home but thinks he can fool others as he's fooling himself that God is loving with such punishment
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Yes Adam and Eve were disobedient just like you and I sometimes are.
Does God still love you when you disobey? Yes
Did God still love Adam and Eve when they sined? Yes
I believe you understand it now.

Aemmyjah:


You instruct lies and nonsense
Shame on you
Comparing Adam to 3 year old son yet you can't curse him
Neither did you agree that the scripture you mentioned about love and chastening applied to Adam and Eve
Fake teacher, poor Bible student

2 things here I compared Adam to my 3 years old because both did not have knowledge of Good and evil.
About love and chastening, does God chastise you when you sin? Yes
Did God chastise Adam when he sined? Yes.
Oga please mention one thing I have taught you that is not supported by your Bible.
I am waiting but we both know you can't.

tctrills:

I hope you have been following.
You boy here has asked as many questions as he can but each time we keep teaching him simple truths in the bible. We don't do guesswork. We don't go into falsehoods.
We just teach him and then he ask another question.
That's how it's done.
I hope you are also learning

Do you even know the essence of learning?

Guy, people don't just come to keep ideas that's of no real benefits but to WORK OUT together what is beneficial for one and all. Isaiah 48:17-18
So you're not teaching neither are you learning rather you're just arguing fruitlessly.

The purpose of this thread is help followers know why God CURSED Adam and Eve and how to avoid their mistakes. So if you're of the opinion that they don't know the difference between GOOD and BAD then you're indirectly saying the book Bible makes no practical sense for you and i know that the only reason to punish someone is disobedience to rules and disobedience connotes knowledge of what is GOOD but choose to do the opposite.

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn not just arguing fruitlessly and commending yourself in delusion!

tctrills:

Let's start from this, do you think God loved Adam and Eve?

When He created them: YES
After their rebellion: NO

Because when He created them He blessed them {Genesis 1:28} but after their rebellion He cursed them! Genesis 3:19

So the LOVE He had for them in the beginning is no more there after their rebellion!

MaxInDHouse:


When He created them: YES
After their rebellion: NO

Because when He created them He blessed them {Genesis 1:28} but after their rebellion He cursed them! Genesis 3:19

So the LOVE He had for them in the beginning is no more there after their rebellion!

Just one verse for you sir Isaiah 1.18
Even when you sin he still loves you.

MaxInDHouse:


Do you even know the essence of learning?

Guy, people don't just come to keep ideas that's of no real benefits but to WORK OUT together what is beneficial for one and all. Isaiah 48:17-18
So you're not teaching neither are you learning rather you're just arguing fruitlessly.

The purpose of this thread is help followers know why God CURSED Adam and Eve and how to avoid their mistakes. So if you're of the opinion that they don't know the difference between GOOD and BAD then you're indirectly saying the book Bible makes no practical sense for you and i know that the only reason to punish someone is disobedience to rules and disobedience connotes knowledge of what is GOOD but choose to do the opposite.

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn not just arguing fruitlessly and commending yourself in delusion!

If you are saying that they know good and evil you make the bible have no integrity. The bible clearly states that they did not know good and evil and it makes practical sense.

It makes sense that God started teaching them the consequences of sin even before they knew good and evil. That's what every good parent those. So yes, it makes practical sense.

tctrills:

If you are saying that they know good and evil you make the bible have no integrity. The bible clearly states that they did not know good and evil and it makes practical sense. It makes sense that God started teaching them the consequences of sin even before they knew good and evil. That's what every good parent those. So yes, it makes practical sense.

Back to your fruitless arguments!

If they don't know that what they did was BAD then why CURSE them?
Is CURSE a sign of friendship or enmity?

Surely what the Bible called the GOOD and BAD they later knew wasn't to be taken literally otherwise the whole thing made no sense!

tctrills:

Just one verse for you sir Isaiah 1.18
Even when you sin he still loves you.

“Come, now, and let us set matters straight between us,” says Jehovah. “Though your sins are like scarlet, They will be made as white as snow; Though they are as red as crimson cloth, They will become like wool."

Here God is addressing IMPERFECT HUMANS who don't understand God's laws and are suffering different situations due to inherited sin that has brought a CURSE on the earth not Adam and Eve who had everything at their disposal yet chose to rebel against their Creator who speaks to them face to face like father and children.

So God was pleading with Adam's descendants who don't know the cause of their suffering!

MaxInDHouse:


“Come, now, and let us set matters straight between us,” says Jehovah. “Though your sins are like scarlet, They will be made as white as snow; Though they are as red as crimson cloth, They will become like wool."

Here God is addressing IMPERFECT HUMANS who don't understand God's laws and are suffering different situations due to inherited sin that has brought a CURSE on the earth not Adam and Eve who had everything at their disposal yet chose to rebel against their Creator who speaks to them face to face like father and children.

So God was pleading with Adam's descendants who don't know the cause of their suffering!

Lol. Just one question.
Point to one verse where God said he can't forgive Adam and Eve because they are perfect as you say. If you can point to such a verse then you are correct but if you can't you are wrong.

MaxInDHouse:


Back to your fruitless arguments!

If they don't know that what they did was BAD then why CURSE them?
Is CURSE a sign of friendship or enmity?

Surely what the Bible called the GOOD and BAD they later knew wasn't to be taken literally otherwise the whole thing made no sense!

That's why I told you that I punished my baby even though he has no knowledge of Good and evil.
Doesn't that answer your question?
I have already answered your guy please pay attention.

tctrills:

Lol. Just one question.
Point to one verse where God said he can't forgive Adam and Eve because they are perfect as you say. If you can point to such a verse then you are correct but if you can't you are wrong.

Funny question!
Point to one verse where God said he can't forgive Satan and the fallen angels.

tctrills:

That's why I told you that I punished my baby even though he has no knowledge of Good and evil.
Doesn't that answer your question?
I have already answered your guy please pay attention.

So your three years old is the same as Adam and Eve?
Perhaps your three years old baby is the same as Satan and rebellious angels.

MaxInDHouse:

So your three years old is the same as Adam and Eve?
Perhaps your three years old baby is the same as Satan and rebellious angels.

How is my 3 years old son similar to Adam? They both did not have the knowledge of Good and evil. Do you have any bible passage to prove otherwise?

MaxInDHouse:

Funny question!
Point to one verse where God said he can't forgive Satan and the fallen angels.

Foolish question we are not talking about Satan. But even at that, Let me show you the verse you requested for.
Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels

And before you start argument, simple English here, Eternal fire means his punishment has no end. Hence he would not be forgiven.

Now it's your turn, show me the one verse where it states that Adam's punishment is eternal.

Oga, I am here for you and your friends. No matter how many you are, I would address your concerns ok.

I am enjoying the way both of you are working hard though.

tctrills:

2 things here I compared Adam to my 3 years old because both did not have knowledge of Good and evil.
About love and chastening, does God chastise you when you sin? Yes
Did God chastise Adam when he sined? Yes.
Oga please mention one thing I have taught you that is not supported by your Bible.
I am waiting but we both know you can't.

God chastise Adam with Death?

MaxInDHouse:

So your three years old is the same as Adam and Eve?
Perhaps your three years old baby is the same as Satan and rebellious angels.

Apt!

MaxInDHouse can catch a fly with a fishhook!

He's seen he's not making sense to himself

Aemmyjah:



God chastise Adam with Death?

You have a problem with God's methods?
I feel you have a concern. But it seems you don't know how to express it.
Why are you finding it hard to accept the word of God.
It's clear that Adam and Eve just like my 3 years child did not have the knowledge of good and evil.

tctrills:

You have a problem with God's methods?
I feel you have a concern. But it seems you don't know how to express it.
Why are you finding it hard to accept the word of God.
It's clear that Adam and Eve just like my 3 years child did not have the knowledge of good and evil.

But God punished them for doing an evil thing. Yes or No?

Aemmyjah:



But God punished them for doing an evil thing. Yes or No?

Oga do you realize you've basically asked the same question a million times but never mind I will be patient with you. We learn at different pace.
My child did a bad thing when he hit his friend.
Adam and Eve also disobeyed when they ate the fruit 🍓.
Do you understand it better now.
In punishing them we learn the consequences of disobedience.
Just like me son is beginning to learn the consequences of hitting others.

tctrills:

How is my 3 years old son similar to Adam? They both did not have the knowledge of Good and evil. Do you have any bible passage to prove otherwise?

Your three years old is a baby without any instruction on what he is going to do until you send him to school before he could discover himself but Adam already had an assignment which he will do throughout his lifetime.
So they're not the same one has been instructed on what he should do and what he shouldn't do while the other needs to grow into an adult before he can discover himself!

tctrills:

Foolish question we are not talking about Satan. But even at that, Let me show you the verse you requested for.
Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels

And before you start argument, simple English here, Eternal fire means his punishment has no end. Hence he would not be forgiven.

Now it's your turn, show me the one verse where it states that Adam's punishment is eternal.

Oga, I am here for you and your friends. No matter how many you are, I would address your concerns ok.

I am enjoying the way both of you are working hard though.

Where is the verse that says God can't forgive Satan nah?

I asked you for where God said Satan can't be forgiven you're quoting Jesus who is talking about the curse Satan got in the beginning, was Adam not also cursed?

Aemmyjah:

Apt!
MaxInDHouse can catch a fly with a fishhook!
He's seen he's not making sense to himself

If it's about forgiveness God never said in that Bible book that Satan can't be forgiven nah.
Perhaps if Satan should repent and become a born again Christian later.

MaxInDHouse:


Where is the verse that says God can't forgive Satan nah?

I asked you for where God said Satan can't be forgiven you're quoting Jesus who is talking about the curse Satan got in the beginning, was Adam not also cursed?

I just showed you the verse sir. God's says Satan's punishment is eternal. Simple English.
An eternal punishment is one that last forever.
If Satan is forgiven, it's no longer eternal.
So the verse I gave you should be ok right?

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the [b]eternal fire [/b]prepared for the devil and his angels

MaxInDHouse:

If it's about forgiveness God never said in that Bible book that Satan can't be forgiven nah.
Perhaps if Satan should repent and become a born again Christian later.

He did. By saying Satan's punishment is eternal, it means it would last forever. Meaning he will not be forgiven. This is basic English nah.

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels

MaxInDHouse:

Your three years old is a baby without any instruction on what he is going to do until you send him to school before he could discover himself but Adam already had an assignment which he will do throughout his lifetime.
So they're not the same one has been instructed on what he should do and what he shouldn't do while the other needs to grow into an adult before he can discover himself!

My 3 years old child has his assignment too. I instruct him all the time but like Adam he doesn't know wrong or right. Also, he is in school.

Neymar1095:
We are told in Genesis that the tree they eat from is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and once Adam and Eve eat the fruit they have knowledge of good and evil. So how can eating the fruit be a sin if they had no knowledge that it was evil? You may say that God directly told them not to eat from the tree and by definition sin is rebelling against God but the Bible also tells us that we are judged on what we know and Adam and Eve had no knowledge that God was good or the serpent was evil?
If God truly judges us by what we know as stated in Romans 2:12 how could God judge Adam and Eve as sinful considering they had no knowledge of good and evil. All they knew was that they had been told if they ate the fruit they would die and told by another the fruit would give them wisdom.
Is there something I'm missing from the story or do I just not understand?

Knowledge of good and evil is a figurative expression to indicate independence from God with respect to their choices meaning that they henceforth will be the sole determinant of their good and evil thus becoming like God.

Unfortunately, man's definition of what is good and what is evil is most times at variance from God's own standard of good and evil.

Adam wasn't dumb o!
Note that he gave every animal its name!

tctrills:

Oga do you realize you've basically asked the same question a million times but never mind I will be patient with you. We learn at different pace.
My child did a bad thing when he hit his friend.
Adam and Eve also disobeyed when they ate the fruit 🍓.
Do you understand it better now.
In punishing them we learn the consequences of disobedience.
Just like me son is beginning to learn the consequences of hitting others.

And you curse son shey?

Aemmyjah:



And you curse son shey?

Oh I get it, your problem is the word curse right?
From you questions, I see that your big concern is the punishment God placed upon Adam and Eve.
So I tried to explain to you that God's punishment is different from man's punishment.
I understand as a human, you look at death as the worst thing ever.
But to God, death is not special.
Everyone gets to die.
It's just a separation of the body and the spirit.
The body is buried and the spirit goes back to him.

tctrills:

He did. By saying Satan's punishment is eternal, it means it would last forever. Meaning he will not be forgiven. This is basic English nah.

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels

There you go, it says the lake of Fire was PREPARED for evildoers so what if the evildoers repented will they still go there?
That's the question after all Satan has not been thrown there so he still have the chance to REPENT nah!

tctrills:

My 3 years old child has his assignment too. I instruct him all the time but like Adam he doesn't know wrong or right. Also, he is in school.

TenQ:

Knowledge of good and evil is a figurative expression to indicate independence from God with respect to their choices meaning that they henceforth will be the sole determinant of their good and evil thus becoming like God.
Unfortunately, man's definition of what is good and what is evil is most times at variance from God's own standard of good and evil.
Adam wasn't dumb o!
Note that he gave every animal its name!

This man must be suffering from JW syndrome because according to tctrills he's saying God lied!