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Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by philip0906(m): 11:27am On Jan 11, 2011
So whats anybody's problem with dat?Were they asked 2 surrrender their money at gun point?were they coerced in2 dropping their money if true?if u have evidences aginst them,simply report 2 EFCC. . .
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by nuella2(f): 11:32am On Jan 11, 2011
1 United:

This one sounds like one of them. Gbam. Pastor Chris younger brother


And you are? Let me quess, the younger brother of a native doctor or one of the witches threatening Atiku.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by skealoo: 11:42am On Jan 11, 2011
xandy84:


my question is must all offerings go through the pastor, u can easily give your first fruit to the beggars on the street , motherless babies home etc. we all know church don turn business centre (christ embassy), whoever is thinking otherwise is just fooling him/herself. there is a clear cut line btw good and bad. no b so Jesus do im ministry wen he dey alive. OLE ni gbo gbo wan.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by mummy3(f): 12:08pm On Jan 11, 2011
God did not say bring all your salary to him. According to the bible (God says pay your Tithe, that's 10 percent of your salary. I believe God will not be happy with you, after giving all your salary to the church, you'll now start going about begging your colleagues, friends, neighbours for money. Im not disputing you from giving all your salary. but plan well before youuuu give. A word is enough for the wise.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by lukkie(m): 12:11pm On Jan 11, 2011
It's bad enough that these pastors are scamming their daft followers. Then some people come here to defend them.

No wonder Nigeria is moving backward when other nations are developing.

Thank goodness for common sense.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Intrepid1(m): 12:16pm On Jan 11, 2011
First fruit my arse! Any pastor that tells me that crap will be needing a new set of teeth!
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by philip0906(m): 12:17pm On Jan 11, 2011
lukkie:

It's bad enough that these pastors are scamming their daft followers. Then some people come here to defend them.

No wonder Nigeria is moving backward when other nations are developing.

Thank goodness for common sense.
Gbam. . .it is dat common sense dat should influence their choice.D fact dat u r not a christian is ur choice,u were not coerced in2 doing so.If someone now wants 2 give all his/her salary 2 his pastor and die of hunger with d "belief dat he'll b rewarded in heaven",is d person's personal choice 2.So its nobody's problem.If its a crime,report 2 d anti-graft agency
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by mummy3(f): 12:25pm On Jan 11, 2011
KunleOshob:

@post
Yes it's true, it is mostly practised in criminally inspired cults like christ embassy. It's news to me that rccg has adopted this scam. But then again they have also been known to notoriously twist the gospel for greedy personal gain.

i dont think you are born again at all, so my dear dont judge any body so that you will not be judge.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by hermosa(f): 12:36pm On Jan 11, 2011
yea, in Mountain of Fire there is also the first fruit offering for the first month of every year norm, my dad, my mom, cousin and uncle always give out their salary , and i think it's a good thing cos we've been blessed a lot last year/this year
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by ceasyc(f): 12:52pm On Jan 11, 2011
ANOTHER WAY OF SCAMMING & STEALING FROM PPLE
TWISTING THE WORDS OF D BIBLE IN THEIR FAVOUR

BLOODY SCAMMING SCAMMERS & THIEVES IN DISGUISE

JUDGE NOT MY ARSE
DEM CHURCH FOLLOWERS R GULLIBLE FOO.LSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
MUMUSSSSSSSSSSSS & MUGUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by lukkie(m): 1:31pm On Jan 11, 2011
Oh I love Fela. He has said it all.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by uwex: 1:40pm On Jan 11, 2011
@Alaper there are somethings that are too high for yo to talk about. My advice for you today is to go and study the scripture to see the position of God concerning the subject first fruit. Some of the mad men on our streets are like that because of things like this. Please my brother be careful. I love you!
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by uwex: 1:42pm On Jan 11, 2011
Alright people, it's your choice. I do it every year. I have become even bigger and better. Try it today.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Jenwitemi(m): 2:10pm On Jan 11, 2011
will you shut it?! Exploiting money from the needy(and gullible) is a spiritual issue? Do you think you are talking to idiots? Ole! angry
moondust:

The things of the spirit can never be understood by the flesh, those who practice these things may look like fools but they get the benefits that's why they've not stopped doing it. ,  Just as the wisdom of God is foolishness with man, so the power of God is viewed by men as weakness.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by ovo4u(m): 2:44pm On Jan 11, 2011
@OVO4U

mr accountant, didn't u read that i was looking for charismatic preacher. that means i'm not d preacher type nah. i'm the money man. don't waste my time if you can't preach.   oh wait a minute. do you know how to drum? that's very important too. wink wink
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^^^^^^^

Men i don't know how to beat drum ooo, i think the financial part is what i can do better,remember when you preach,you become know and popular and i am sure you would like that,so Bro am leave the preaching to you because i don't like popularity, lol, to start this,which Area do you think that Maga full right now in Nigeria where we can set up our church. grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by tunde121oke: 2:46pm On Jan 11, 2011
amen somebody
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by harakiri(m): 3:14pm On Jan 11, 2011
It never fails to baffle me how people will come here and defend the indefensible. They will misquote old testament scripture concerning first fruits but when it comes to commandments of killing adulterers, an eye for an eye, slaughtering of animals, going to Jerusalem for holy feasts. . .they will revert to the new testament and say "all things of old are washed away by the death of their lord Jesus". Hypocrites! ! !
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by harakiri(m): 3:16pm On Jan 11, 2011
ovo4u:

Let be honest to ourselves here, why is it that in Africa, there are so much Christan than in the west world?and they are still most poorest and also full of Evil, why? is it not because of the Poverty? If Nigeria is like Germany where everyone get his Basic amenities from Government if you don't have work or anything to do,or if you are sick, then there will be no much Christan also in Nigeria like here, so i am trying to say it all Poverty both the Pastors and the Church goers, Poverty nor good ooo, let make our country great.

Abeg, helep me ask dem ooo!
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by mabell: 4:04pm On Jan 11, 2011
I have read the various posts over again, they all say almost the same thing and some pour out their ignorance as well
It is not the pastor that created the firstfruit, it was God ordained. He asked for it specifically without mincing words
Some posters ask how come it's being given in monetary value, the answer is simple, money is the major means of exchange but if you can bring crops no wahala.
Some ask what the pastor doe with the firstfruits, my answer is why not study about the prophets of old, what they did with the firstfruits give to them and how the levites carried on too, maybe that will give you a hint

I noticed that some posters have left insulting the pastors to insulting the brethren, why now!, i actually thought one of the purposes of this thread was to ave and shield the members f the church, why change your mouth now? sad
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Kokodeni(m): 4:06pm On Jan 11, 2011
Haven't you read of the story of the old widow who gave in penury; which was her ALL "pension + Salary + ACC Balance, " read what JESUS said about her,
There is a mystery in giving that the poster is yet to comprehend,
REPROBATE MINDS may God have mercy on you,
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Mamamary: 4:14pm On Jan 11, 2011
My take on this, Bible says in 2Corinthians 9:7 'Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver'

If anybody claims to be forced, such a person doesn't have a relationship with God. If you give grudgingly, there is no reward. Your choice.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by russellino: 4:32pm On Jan 11, 2011
I dont know about anybody else but I believe 100% in the spiritual principle of sowing. If someone chooses to dedicate his/he january salary to the work of spreading the gospel all well and good. What you sow is what you reap, the bible says so
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Nobody: 4:57pm On Jan 11, 2011
all those coming here to defend these thieving pastors,how many of you are on the same level with your pastors in terms of wealth,why is the prosperity so one sided.have you tot of looking at the life style of these pastors b4 they became pastors?how many were living from hand to mouth and how many tithe did they pay to get super bountiful rewards,you that is being scammed,are you saying you are not as successful as these pastors cos you are inferior in the eyes of the lord?or are you saying you are not as successful as them cos they are holier than you?but still yet u will come and defend a man that rolls around like the head of state,did Jesus ever do that?
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Nobody: 5:33pm On Jan 11, 2011
it seems like most people especially the ignorant church goers have been blinded by their ignorance that they can utter such terrible things from their mouth yet not be afraid of the consequences thereof. I am not perfect but at least i know what the bible say concerning offerings, tithes, first fruits etc, pls Christians and church goers study your bible with directives from the holy spirit i believe u'd better understand. The bible say study to show thy self approved, the bible also said knowledge come by hearing and hearing the word of God, it also said dis book of the law shall not depart from your mouth but you shall meditate on it day and night, Many people have unfortunately ignored studying the word of God which is actually an operation manual for effective living and as a result, they have come to show to the world how ignorant they are and how disobedient they are also. the bible encourages offerings, tithes, first fruits etc, its actually a medium with which you test God to bring blessings and abundance to u if its done with faith. the bible said therefore bring forth all your first fruits into the house of the lord now test me and see if i will not open the gates of heaven and release blessings on u so much so that there will be no room, the !st fruits, tithes and offerings were also encouraged by Jesus Christ cos he came to fulfil the scriptures contained in the old testament.Note tithes, 1st fruits may not necessarily be cash. its just that we are living a currency controlled era , pls stop being robbers and stop robbing God, it doesn't pay. Even if some so called men of God swallows ur cash just know that its not ur case but the case lies with them and God when their grace period expires. to those that have ears let them hear,
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by untainted: 5:48pm On Jan 11, 2011
it is unfortunate that most pastors have persuaded their congregation into believing they can buy salvation by one form of donation or the other.
pastors don't preach salvation anymore but tell you God needs this money or that to bless you with prosperity and other desirables.
It is regrettable when people come to defend such blatant falsehood whether as "men of God" or as gullible (even thouhg they don't know it) followers.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by CHARLOE(m): 6:25pm On Jan 11, 2011
lomomike:

it seems like most people especially the ignorant church goers have been blinded by their ignorance that they can utter such terrible things from their mouth yet not be afraid of the consequences thereof. I am not perfect but at least i know what the bible say concerning offerings, tithes, first fruits etc, pls Christians and church goers study your bible with directives from the holy spirit i believe u'd better understand. The bible say study to show thy self approved, the bible also said knowledge come by hearing and hearing the word of God, it also said dis book of the law shall not depart from your mouth but you shall meditate on it day and night, Many people have unfortunately ignored studying the word of God which is actually an operation manual for effective living and as a result, they have come to show to the world how ignorant they are and how disobedient they are also. the bible encourages offerings, tithes, first fruits etc, its actually a medium with which you test God to bring blessings and abundance to u if its done with faith. the bible said therefore bring forth all your first fruits into the house of the lord now test me and see if i will not open the gates of heaven and release blessings on u so much so that there will be no room, the !st fruits, tithes and offerings were also encouraged by Jesus Christ cos he came to fulfil the scriptures contained in the old testament.Note tithes, 1st fruits may not necessarily be cash. its just that we are living a currency controlled era , pls stop being robbers and stop robbing God, it doesn't pay. Even if some so called men of God swallows your cash just know that its not your case but the case lies with them and God when their grace period expires. to those that have ears let them hear,

Can i ask u a simple question? why is it that pple like u & ur ilk always run to d old testament (d law) scriptures 4 support only when it comes to issues of money but are gravely silent when it comes to other issues of d law? Is it cos u couldn't find any in d new testament to backup ur claims? Have u not read in romans that we're no longer under d law but grace?
You're just like d gentiles who Paul preached to but were later convinced by d jews to be circumcised and keep d law. Go and read Pauls' angry reaction to them in d book of acts.
Nontheless, if u choose to keep d law, u have made d finished work of christ on d cross of non effect and u therefore MUST KEEP ALL ASPECT OF D LAW! So be ready to
- stone any witch/wizard to death (suffer not a witch to live)
- stone any adulterous woman to death
- take ur pound of flesh when offended (an eye 4 an eye)
- eat only clean meat (no more pork, catfish, crayfish, snail etc)
- go to jerusalem for all d numerous feasts
- keep d sabbath, which by d way is saturday (this one is even b4 d law, like u claim tithe is also b4 d law)
- build an alter and offer up burnt offering etc and all other aspect of d law.
I guess d person asking why this thread was opened is benefiting from this scam and doesn't want d eyes of gullible & ignorant pple to be opened or is plain ignorant himself.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Amacaco: 6:30pm On Jan 11, 2011
The principle of first fruits, like the tithes are biblical as already explained by some people here. The principle of giving of all forms of offering must however be clearly understood by those who give and those who enjoy criticizing without giving. In the  first place, all offerings including first fruits and tithes are made to God and GOD alone. Without this at the back of your mind, you will find it difficult to give in the church or even to any human being as it will become burdensome and most times self centered in its motive. After all  outside Christ we do not owe anything to any pastor or church leader. Secondly, payment of first fruits, tithes and other offerings are and must be voluntary in the new testament church. In the Old testament, these offerings were part of the commandments and keeping these commandments was their righteousness. Today, payment of these Offerings is not our righteousness but Christ is our Righteousness as the work of Salvation has been completed. But giving of these offerings draw down the blessings  of God for such a person because Christ had said that it is more Blessed to Give than to receive. Many of those  who criticize the church and pastors on this give their salaries to their girl friends or even native doctors and juju priests for protection and charms. others waste the salary at the Beer Parlor. So why can a faithful christian not give his salary to God for the Cause of the Gospel. Do not give if it is not in faith and stop criticizing what you do not understand. God will bless you if you do so.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by Gombs(m): 7:47pm On Jan 11, 2011
. . . Y una dey vex? . . .is it UNA MONEY?. . .kai,na wa 4 una, . .i c its nw a hobby for pple 2 cm here n critisize pastors and pple dat giv whole heartedly witout complain. . .
una dy drink panadol 4 anoda man headache,did dose givin d money eva com n complain abt it?y do u guys kip painting pastors bad?2 wot gain?dnt u fear God?. . . U shd hv askd wot do d pope does 2 feed?. . . D pastors(of christ embasy n rccg amng odas) u critise hv hundreds of thousands of brethen,do u want 2 say u r beta thinkin dan them al?corupt minded pple,why tink d money is d pastor's?dnt you see worldwide evangelism of d accused churches?do u tink d govt hv a budget 4 d money they use?do u wnt 2 c a pastor wit pant n singlet 4 u guys 2 b hapy?evn if pple wan gv pastors money or d pastor dy do busines,y e dey pain u?y dnt u gv urs a try,n lets c?, wud u guys say T.D JAKES,MATTEW ASHIMOLOWO,MYLES MONROE,etc are theives?abi na cos dem pst chris,adeboye etc dy 9ja?, no wonda,Jesu christi said "a prophet is nt recognisd in hs home twn", . .n sm1 here wrote,dat d bible reference anoda brought up did nt involve cash,ok,na cow,camel,chicken,yan,rice ,corn u wan cary go church?hw many u wan cary?evn at dat,u go say na pastor go chop all. . . Or wait o!. . .na because u hear "first fruit"?. . . PLS,LET PPLE DAT GIV DO D COMPLAININ.u dnt want 2 gv,den shup up,n continue givin ur N20 ofering so dat pastor go poor.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by mabell: 9:27pm On Jan 11, 2011
untainted:

it is unfortunate that most pastors have persuaded their congregation into believing they can buy salvation by one form of donation or the other.
pastors don't preach salvation anymore but tell you God needs this money or that to bless you with prosperity and other desirables.
It is regrettable when people come to defend such blatant falsehood whether as "men of God" or as gullible (even thouhg they don't know it) followers.

This is so not true. You really talk out of ignorance(i want to believe cos that can be corrected). Pastors still very much preach salvation, soul winning, evangelism,relationship, family, sharing,love and not just giving.
The church where i worship, the pastor give it hard on salvation, he lets you know that without Jesus, your money, wealth or fame will take you no where. Mind you, a pastor will never tell you God needs your money, i laugh! grin, that is so not possible. God is big, he is huge, he created the whole world and everything in it including you and i or Mr how can you say He needs money, to do what precisely, shop in mega plaza. I mean!!!!
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by MT: 9:39pm On Jan 11, 2011
I can now understand why Nigeria is like this. So many "gullibles" working around. Let the truth be told, it is CRIMINAL for any church to ask anyone for his JANUARY Salary. Thats a desperation to FRAUD !!.

It is not biblical, no pastor should come and twist the scripture for us.
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by KDULAR: 9:44pm On Jan 11, 2011
In christianity, are there suppose to be priests( PASTORS,PROPHETS AS WE HAVE IT TODAY,), and if they are to be, are they supposed to be fulltime or part time?. WHAT DO WE OFFER TO IN CHURCHES THESE DAYS) IS THE CHURCH MEANT TO TAKE CARE OF HER IMMEDIATE NEEDS OR SAVE FOR FUTURE NEEDS AND WHAT ARE THESE NEEDS, DO THEY INCLUDE SALARIES WAGES OR ALLOWANCES FOR THE PRIESTS. IF WE HAVE A HIGH PRIEST WHO HAS MADE THE SACRIFICES THEN WHAT ARE THE "LOWER PRIESTS STILL OFFERING? I THINK A LOT OF CHURCHES WILL BE QUICK TO JUDGE  AND DEMOLISH TRY AS THEY CAN THE OLDER AND TRADITIONAL CHURCHES, ESPECIALLY THE WHITE GARMENTS OR AFRICAN CHURCHES SAYING THEY ARE TOO OLD TESTAMENT CHURCHES AND WORST STILL "NON BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCHES". HOWEVER PAYMENT OF TITHES OFFERINGS AND FIRST FRUITS TO ENLARGE AND ENRICH OUR SHRINES TO GOD ALMIGHTY (THE CHURCH ) ARE THE TEACHINGS AND PRECEPTS DERIVED FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT. HOWEVER IF ANY HUMAN TAKES UPON HIMSELF THE POSITIONS AND THE DUES OF ALMIGHTY GOD WELL HE IS LOOKING. WE ARE TO STUDY THE WORD AND GROW IN IT AS MUCH AS THE SPIRIT GIVES THE POWER NOT TO BE FED BY SOME ONE THAT STILL NEED TO BE FED. BUT LET EVERY MA DO WHAT IS RIGHT IN HIS CONSCIENCE AND HE WILL BE BLESSED. DON'T FOLLW WHAT YOU ARE NOT CONVINCED IN YOOUR SPIRIT TO DO. GOD BLESS. AMEN
Re: Is It True? Churches Asking You To Surrender Your Entire January Salary? by xandy84: 9:49pm On Jan 11, 2011
mabell:

I have read the various posts over again, they all say almost the same thing and some pour out their ignorance as well
It is not the pastor that created the firstfruit, it was God ordained. He asked for it specifically without mincing words
Some posters ask how come it's being given in monetary value, the answer is simple, money is the major means of exchange but if you can bring crops no wahala.
Some ask what the pastor doe with the firstfruits, my answer is why not study about the prophets of old, what they did with the firstfruits give to them and how the levites carried on too, maybe that will give you a hint

I noticed that some posters have left insulting the pastors to insulting the brethren, why now!, i actually thought one of the purposes of this thread was to ave and shield the members f the church, why change your mouth now? sad


CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE IN NEW TESTAMENT THAT JESUS OR HIS FOLLOWER TALK ABOUT TITTLE. FIRST FRUIT ETC?

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