God bless you all, when Pastors blesses you you same amen. When it gets to the issue of obedience, Remember the widow of Seraphat!

The funny thing is that "statistics" are never wrong!

In my church (and l want other Nairalanders to conduct this research too, in their own church),

*The Church started with about seven (7) women, the Pastor and his wife.
*Today, about 70% of the church adults are women.
*About 70-75% of "church workers" (Ushers, Sunday School, .e.t.c) are women
*About 60% of these women are divorced/separated from their husbands! Another  25% are "earnestly looking for husbands (30yrs+ age)
*On this particular forum, majority (about 65%) of those saying "Pay the Money, ask no questions" are women
*Most churches properties are "registered" as a CHARITY and therefore "Tax Exempt" but in the name of the Pastor (and his wife!!)

ITS UP TO ANYONE TO DRAW THEIR INFERENCES FROM THESE FIGURES BUT I AM WORRIED ABOUT WOMEN, JUST LIKE ADAM WAS, IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN!

BTW: In a country where INDUSTRIES and INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES ARE CONVERTED TO CHURCHES, are we still surprised that:
*We remain one of the most technologically backward and dependent countries in the world?
*Lack the basic amenities of life, like stable electricity, despite the abundance of wealth in our land?
*That we are ruled by "monkeys" masquerading as Political/Democratic heavy-weights?
*That we produce nothing are import virtually everything
*That even the Caucasians (Americans/Europeans/whites in general) that attend less church, have less churches per square-Km of land space, enjoy a far-better standard of living and live longer than we Nigerians?

I think we should all buy Fela's Album (Suffering and Smilling) and listen to the lyrics, (even if you hate his lifestyle and cant stand his Ganja  ).
That is the only "God ordained Overseer/Preacher" l have seen in my life time in Nigeria;
the current ones are just PIMPS and super con-men

I SORRY FOR MA-PEOPLE

This ''pastors'' or ''priests'' or whatever they call themselves, are employing advanced forms of hypnosis and psychological manipulation to make their victims (ie attendees) part with their wages.

This should be against the law. 

The argument that ''nobody put a gun to their heads to pay money'' is ludicrous.

Mr Alaper,
Tell me one church that uses rope to tie any of his or her member down to his church. those of us that obey it is out of cheer willingness which is in line with the bible and we have testimonies to show for it while people like you that never practiced it run here and there criticizing. i think you better use your time for something more productive

FYsol:

Mr Alaper,
Tell me one church that uses rope to tie any of his or her member down to his church. those of us that obey it is out of cheer willingness which is in line with the bible and we have testimonies to show for it while people like you that never practiced it run here and there criticizing. i think you better use your time for something more productive

Pls read Deut. 26 from the very begining. not in the middle. The Lord said "After you have occupied the land that the Lord your God is giving you, and have settled there.

chines4:

Pls read Deut. 26 from the very begining. not in the middle. The Lord said "After you have occupied the land that the Lord your God is giving you, and have settled there.

Not January Salary, or but If your to follow scripture your first salary, when you started work. Not January salary. The first fruit from the land that the good Lord have given then, Not every first Month or Every Year

Or what do you have to say about this Law
Deut. 23 vs 2 "No one born out of wedlock or any descendant of such a person, even in the tenth generation, may be included among the Lords people"

The Law in the scripture is to act as a guide, and it equally reflects on the happening of the time.

Is there a way to help these people?

I will encourage you to read 1 Chronicles 13:8-11. Care must be taken when you want to help on things of God. What could be done is for all christian to read the bible themselves and form a perfect relationship with God. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide you to discern the true voice of God.

@MR CHINES4

Thanks for enlightening me more on first fruit.

Things of the spirit cannot be understood by minds of the flesh.
These people are simply engaging God in his faithfulness. Much of my success today I attribute to bold steps of faith such as this.

if you are born again a nd your church teaches it then you bether surrender all , but i most tell you its a good surrender

mabell: Everybody is just against Pastors forgetting that they are not the originators of the first fruits
The first fruits started in the bible days,even now and not even in the days of Jesus

Ex 23:19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
Le 2:14 And if thou offer a meat offering of thy firstfruits unto the LORD, thou shalt offer for the meat offering of thy firstfruits green ears of corn dried by the fire, even corn beaten out of full ears.
Le 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
Pr 3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

God gave specifications through his prophets, that's to show you the importance of the first fruit and he specifically stated that it should be given to the prophet, so, which one is your own about giving to the pastor or the pastor asking for it. If the pastor can talk about any other subject, how much more about the firstfruits.
I'm not aware he forces anybody to give, it is a thing of choice in as much as God demands for it.
Any bible believing church should preach firstfruits
I give my firstfruits, it is not the first or second and neither will it be the last
It is my money remember
At this point i have read it in the bible with my two eyes so it is not whether pastor says so or not, i just give it
abi the bible na lie!

my brother Bible na true o , only that the verses u quoted above never mentioned money or salary and I assumed u are educated enough to know the meaning of the word " SHALL" .

How in the world did I missed this thread in 2011 What in the world happened to me Okay, I remember what happened - I went fishing . Scripture says, the law (of Moses) was ONLY a SHADOW of good things to come and NOT the very reality of the good things. In the law of Moses, the firstfruit is a picture\(fore)shadow of Christ's resurrection and believers' resurrection to life after Christ. Those who preach or teach firstfruit for Christians are peddling the word of God for MONETARY gain because firstfruit is a type and shadow of resurrection and Christ already fulfilled it. Take a look,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
But ·everyone [each] will be raised to life in the right order. Christ was ·first to be raised [ the firstfruits]. When Christ comes again, those who belong to him will be raised to life,

1 Corinthians 15:23

mabell:
somebody asked for firstfruits in the new testament

Ro 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Ro 16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
1Co 15:20 ¶ But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Re 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. {redeemed: Gr. bought}
(KJV)

you can study for yourself

pls kindly show me where money was mentioned as firstfruit in ur above quoted verses.

mummy3:

i dont think you are born again at all, so my dear dont judge any body so that you will not be judge.

U've already judged him, u know.