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Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:31pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
@BigFrances1 OLD MAN everyone knows that ANGOLA-CONGO AND BIAFRANS SLAVES came late in the British colonies in the west indies. Meaning between 1600-1750 most AFRICAN SLAVES IN WEST INDIES WERE SENEGAMBIA AND GOLD COAST. Your link about 1813 IS JUST SHOWING THE SOCALLED "NEW AFRICANS" ITS NOT CHANING WHAT I SAID OTHER THAN "REINFORCING MY POINT TO U weak ibo". |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:32pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
YOU WERE QUIET THE WHOLE DAY ONLY TO COME BACK WITH INFO U HAVE POSTED IN PAGE 1-2PAGE. STU-PID IGBO MAN. U HAVE FAILED TO BRING THE INFO U CLAMED TO HAVE TYPICAL IBO MAN. FALSE CLAIMS IS WHAT ARE GOOD AT |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:35pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
@Bigfrances1 U CAN CHANGE NAMES AND DO ALL SORTS OF "MONKEY TRICKS". The trueth REMAINS. DR JOSEPH HOLLOWAY AN AFRO AMERICAN SCHOLAR BOOKS HAS FACTS. http://faculty.risd.edu/bcampbel/Templates/Templates/holloway.pdf |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:40pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
Even SOUTH EAST AFRICANS MOZAMBIQUENS,TANZANIANS SENT SLAVES. INFO THAT WAS UNKOWN BY IGBO FOOLS. STICK WITH US WE WILL TEACH U "UNBIASE HISTORY" Note:IGBO CU-NT THE WORLD IS READING OUR POSTS, THEY CAN SEE WHOSE INFORMED BETWEEN ME AND ALL OF U. I CAN TAKE U ALL, AS LONG AS I KNW AM DEALING WITH 419ERS, LIARS, EMPTY VESSELS.
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Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:41pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
^^^^^^Igbo PUNA-NIS we have seen AAs who trace their roots to MOZAMBIQUE. SE AFRICAN SLAVES WERE SENT MORE IN NORTHERN PARTS OF US COLONIES, NY,MARYLAND,BOSTON etc.. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:45pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
@Frances FOR NOW U FAILED TO BRING INFO, OTHER THAN BRINGIN IMMOTIONAL CR@P. Defending your USELESS KIN. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:49pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
@Bigfrances CLUES OLD CU-NT the rest u will find out on ur own. MOZAMBIQUEN SLAVES AND MADAGASCAR SLAVES IN NORTHERN COLONIES IN US (NY,NJ,BOSTON ETC..). Northern Profits from Slavery - Slavery in the North www.slavenorth.com/profits.htm Whether it was officially encouraged, as in New York and New Jersey, or not, as ... and by 1676 the Massachusetts ships were going to Madagascar for slaves. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 5:20pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
kwame tut: @Crayola1 Why do I need to pretend that I'm AA? Are they handing out points for being AA? You are not even AA or Nigerian, you are South African, which is as far as you can get from West or Central Africa. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 5:32pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
kwame tut: @Crayola1 Yes I made the thread? Your point? Are you claiming I made a post saying this To explain the cultural logic and symbolism of “Igbo kwenu” may not be as .... I can assuredly tell you that the Nsukka people are very proud Igbo people You might be a bigger 419er than me, because I never said anything like that. All my posts came from online sources If that's your big reveal I guess Kalis must be Fulani, Afar, and God knows what else using such simple logic. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 5:49pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
Crayola1: Its people like Kwame Tut that make me question if the black man is truly cursed. Who argues about being more worthy of being a slave, only an ignorant nig.ge.r. @Bold...On a second thought as I got home yesterday I wondered if this guy was worth my time and efforts? I didn't deem him worth my efforts and decided to drop one more source of mine to see his reaction and he responded exactly as I expected. @Kwame...you keep belittling the Igbo presence in the slave trade by parading fake statistics and charts. You belittle the Igbo presence yet I'm sure you are not aware of a place called 'Ibo's Landing' in the state of Georgia, US and the exemplary feat Igbos carried out there. http://themoonlitroad.com/coastal-georgia-slavery-ibo-landing/ You belittle the presence of Igbo people yet a full Igbo village was erected in US to honor the ubiquitous presence of Igbo people in the United states. This was a project whose idea was birthed and executed by African Americans themselves in conjunction with the Museum of America with the help of Igbo Americans living in the US. Funny enough you don't get to hear of African Americans being so interested in building Kongo/Akan/Senegambian villages in honour of those people as you'd want to force on us. Why is that? You belittle the Igbo presence yet Wikipedia found it worthy to write several comprehensive threads on African Americans and their Igbo ancestry. Surely they wouldn't have deemed it worthy to waste time and efforts writing that if the Igbo presence wasn't too important to care about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_American With the way you configure up your statistics and with all the make-believe you make us believe here one would not expect any African American to have Igbo ancestry. Yet African Americans keep taking the DNA test and many of them have results pointing to full/partial Igbo ancestry. Ever heard of DNA testing before? I guess you haven't. Several of these AAs have made journeys back to Igboland, their native land. Of course you won't believe that. Forest Whitaker, Bishop TD Jakes, Edward Roye(3rd Liberian President), Atlanta mayor Kaseem Reed, Wesley Snipes, Blair Underwood, Mobb Deep, and so many others are such examples. These are prominent African Americans. Your eyes have been too blackened to see the light. DNA testing results have proven that your statistics are false and banal. You call Igbo people lazy yet in I945, Igbo slaves in Brazil rebelled against the white slave masters and formed a republic of their own, The Ibo Republic of Palmeres' which dictated the rules and regulations of the plantation trade and reigned for over half a century. This is the very same brazil you claimed Igbos were minute in number when records show that the Igbo/Ibibio group came third after Kongo and Yoruba. You say the Igbo people had nothing to contribute when Jamaican Patois is made of several Igbo words such as unu(you plural), sooso(only), eewo(exclamation), Di(In the state of), 'Red Ibo/bone' etc. 'Unu' is an Igbo word present and still found in the patois of many carribean nations in central america. Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, Jamaica, St. Kittles, etc all use the Igbo 'unu' in their patois. The English word 'Okra' was derived from the Igbo word, 'Okwuru' because Okra is a staple Igbo food. Several Black English words such as 'Ama'(I will) was derived from Igbo 'Ama' which means the same thing in Igbo. You claim Igbo people left no legacy behind when the Jamaican people practise a form of sorcery called 'Obia/Obeah' derived from Igbo 'Dibia' which combines Igbo, Akan and Congolese practices. You claim Igbos were useless yet blacks of Igbo ancestry were known to have orchestrated the famous Haitian rebellion that led to the independence of Haiti in the 19th century. Igbos were popular in Haiti that a phrase still exists in the Haiti language which is 'Ibo pend cora yo' meaning 'Igbos hang themselves'. During the start of the biafran war in 1967, Haiti was the first country to recognize Biafra as a country in brotherly solidarity to their relatives across the Atlantic in their struggle for independence. A type of native haitian song called 'Ibo Lele' has been dedicated specially to the Igbo people by Haitians in cognizance of their Igbo ancestors. Igbo people were favoured by the British and that is why you have them taken more to British colonies or current English speaking nations in the Caribbean and Americas such as US, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, West Indies etc. A population census carried out in 1813 in Trinidad and tobago showed Igbo people to be dominating other ethnicities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Trinidadian_and_Tobagonian You should know one thing, I don't engage myself in name callings or negativities. Neither do I peddle myself with fake facts and charts. I engage in intelligent discourse. Its clear you aren't capable of holding an intelligent discourse without the use of profanity. Your fact peddling still doesn't change anything or the views held by millions of african americans and other people who believe alike. Of course I expect a backlash of name callings from you. You should also know that your fake charts, statistics did not change anything or impress me at all. You did not change my view neither can you force them me or anyone. Someone described your reasoning as reta.rd.ed and I think I agree. Little wonder no other person is arguing with you. Well, this will be my last post to you. 5 Likes |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 5:55pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
But here are some posts you have actually made about Nigerians 70 Nigeria 20,130 2010[3]Over 120m live in the DARK. Am not suprised of ur Dumbness. @naaigerians @Chimamanda @AugustAgain @GraigB Ha ha Nigerians invite CHINESE to build their infrustructure. cool cool cool cool cool cool cool 8 Nigerian cities OVERCROWDED SHITHOLES. @NaijaPikidi @GriagB @Sheyie07 Oh wait Mr. Afrocentric is a hypocrite, who would have guessed? @GraigB @GraigB I can post more |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 6:09pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
kwame tut: @Akin Is he really your Yoruba friend last time I checked friends don't talk about friend's homes like this: @ebankole THEIR VILLAGE LAGOS, ha ha ha look at those people carrying WOOD. Even UNILAG cannot escape your wrath LOOK AT YOUR DIRTY STINKING TOP universities. Look at em BITCHES fighting over a DIRTY MONKEY. Jesus, Afrocentric indeed |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 6:22pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
kwame tut: @Kails Wait did you think you could scam folks and not answer for it Tell me is that chart for overall populations in the Americas or just one part of the Americas? Oh wait I'll answer that for you: A noted New Orleans writer and historian, Dr. Hall has written four books, and developed and edited Databases for the Study of Afro-Louisiana History and Genealogy, 1699 - 1860(2000), from which this search engine is built. Name of the website: http://www.ibiblio.org/ Website's title and I quote: Afro-Louisiana History and Genealogy, 1699 - 1860 Correct me if I'm wrong, but ever since I was a little Child I was taught that Louisiana was a state in the United States of America. A state that is not representative of all 49 states in the US of A. Why did you conveniently forget to mention that your chart was based on population data for Louisiana? Slipped your mind? 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 6:22pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
Keep it up Crayola. Your exposition mission shows the world how retar.ded his reasoning is. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 6:27pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
My problem is that he's being dishonest even when his own facts are not rolling in his favor: Orleans Parish is limited to New Orleans which is limited to Louisiana, how can you miss that? Its on the damn graph at the bottom. Everyone who took basic history knows Congolese and Angolans were the bulk of slaves in Louisiana, there is a place called Congo square in NO for Godsakes, who denying that 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 6:33pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
kwame tut: @BigFrances,Crayola1,Radiollo Sweet Jesus you are dum.b? How can they prefer Bight of Benin slaves, and end up sending more Angola Congo Slaves? Angola and Congo are now in West Africa. Either clarify your point, or stop talking nonsense that can be debunked with mess.ing google maps Notice the countries that surround the Bight of Benin, Nigeria, Benin, Togo, and Ghana. Notice who is not there Angola and the Congo, crazy I know 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 6:55pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
Furthermore, why wont you show links to what you have posted? You just post charts and I guess we must assume they are for the entire America's when most are for Louisiana Yes I noticed. Here is this little excerpt from a guy who is well known if not the top authority on African American ancestry at least: Dr. Henry Louis Gates Jr. and his partner Kyle Hurst, NEHGS Researcher. Have you heard of him? All that being said, the results you received for DNA testing are not surprising. In the case of the Ibo (also known as Igbo), we know through the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database that about 16 percent of our ancestors who arrived in the U.S. were shipped from the Bight of Biafra, which is Igboland. So a significant number of African Americans, such as Bishop T.D. Jakes, who was a guest in our PBS series, African American Lives, descended from the Igbo, as he guessed when I asked him before revealing the results to him on camera. http://www.theroot.com/views/how-do-i-research-my-fulani-roots I bolded it for your reading pleasure Messrs James Rogers & Co. Jamaica, 8 Sept. 1790 More? Read this whole link: http://books.google.com/books?id=nSOyBs14tHEC&pg=PA84&dq=igbo+slaves+in+america&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FhgqUvbfAuPE4AOkiICQDQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=igbo%20slaves%20in%20america&f=false You are welcome dear 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 8:13pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
@Crayola...keep up the good job brother. You're wonderful. All along its my mobile I've been using. Browsing with a mobile does have its limitations. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 10:59pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: A very Good post Bigfrancis21 I admit I enjoyed reading it. Though I must let you know that the word OBEAH is more strongly linked with the AKAN word OBAYIFO, meaning sorcery/witch But without a doubt, the IGBO in my opinion had the STRONGEST INFLUENCE on the DIASPORA 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by MrsChima(f): 1:41am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Still LMAO at BigFool saying Diop was Indian. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 2:07am On Sep 07, 2013 |
kwame tut: Even SOUTH EAST AFRICANS MOZAMBIQUENS,TANZANIANS SENT SLAVES. You might have a point if you actually posted the charts for West Africa, but then you couldn't lie half as well How do we compare, by taking your word? Even though you have been proven to be a two faced liar? Everyone knows that Mozambique and that area were the last places to export slaves as the slave trade winded down in other parts of Africa. Welcome to intro to Africana studies first day of class 1 Like |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 2:44am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Jayvarley: Thanks pal. Wasn't expecting that from you given what happened two days ago. As for the Obeah part, I didn't make that up. I was only going by research sources, as you can see below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obeah |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 3:06am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima: Grow up ma'am. For once in your life, think hard and contribute something intellectual rather than sissying. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Nobody: 4:07am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Crayola1: Who is "everyone"? Um no. central and south east africa were the FIRST areas where slaves were exported. The first west africans exported were sahelians (fulanis to be exact) which scholars could not understand seeing as how during the saharan slave trade they were notorious for being the slave raiders themselves. West africans came in large numbers later when the british joined simply because they both feared and grew tired of the central africans who were far too rebellious. In fact at one point getting slaves from those areas became so unfavored, it became outlawed. Later the same would be true for the akan. [even then, some slaves from central africa were still smuggled from the "outlawed" areas and the yoruba would make a huge arrival en mass during the late 1700s/early 1800s which is why their influence in santeria is huge (along with the bantu). Second since when is posting some words proof that the igbos were the majority? Yoruba also influenced us. Kongo ppls also influenced us. Sahelian ppl also influenced us....and I can show how those others did. Not only did they influence us languistically speaking but also in terms of song, dance and culturally but again, what does that prove other than the fact that we are mutts? What does "unu" which btwn is NOT said in trinidad, st kitts, or bardados have to do with anything much less obeah? Jamaican words such as DUPPY, TALLAWAH, OBRUNI (sp?), ABENG Etc are akan (Ghanaian) words...does that make us ONLY AKAN? SHANGO, LABALABA and a few others (i dont feel like making a long list) came from the YORUBA, DOES THAT MAKE US ONLY YORUBA? NDINGI, KUMINA, and a few others came from the bantu dialects, DOES THAT ONLY MAKE US BANTU? NYAMI, FI, JOOK etc came from FULBE are we ONLY FULANI? ETC ETC...THE ANSWER IS NO AND NOOOOOO. Posting examples of a ppls influence means absolutely nothing. Not one person said igbos contributed nothing at all. What is said is that genetically we are not mostly "igbo", that there was a high igbo mortality rate, and that we are mixed ppls. Thats the fact of the matter. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Nobody: 4:27am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Jayvarley: But without a doubt, the IGBO in my opinion had the STRONGEST INFLUENCE on the DIASPORA Please lol. They are far from having the "strongest" influence. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Nobody: 4:38am On Sep 07, 2013 |
And when,it comes to brazil I am very apprehensive about claiming territories as being "igbo" seeing as how these are the same ppl who went around claiming Ibotirama in Bahia, Brazil was an Igbo founded town simply because the word IBO is in there lol (and they STILL try to pass it off as fact) when IN FACT it was the native indian brazilians who not only founded the town but gave it that name lol. Also I find it a bit peculiar how most of these Igbo "facts" are on igbo centric blogs/sites. But anyway all african groups sent to the new world as slaves influenced us equally. Thats the bottom line. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 5:38am On Sep 07, 2013 |
*Kails*: Well I guess Fulani is then. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 5:40am On Sep 07, 2013 |
*Kails*: Can you quote any sources that verify this your claim? I guess your ancestry points to fulani because I've noticed that while you try so hard to maintain a 'balanced view' in slave trade issue, you indirectly favour or promote the Fulani first. Its my first time of ever hearing Fulani were the earliest group to be sent when the early slave ships landed on the shores of west africa when fulani land isn't nowhere close to the atlantic ocean. Do you even know where Fulani land is? Moreover that a group were taken first doesn't mean they were taken in substantial numbers. Other groups may have certainly overtaken them later on, which is clearly the case here from slave records. @Bold...south east africa? Do you know where south east africa is? Kails, do you just make up facts just for making up sake? Well, you can as well claim that South Africa was involved in the slave trade. West africans came in large numbers later when the british joined simply because they both feared and grew tired of the central africans who were far too rebellious. @Bold...the tribe most popularly known to be rebellious was the Igbo tribe, and from geography Igbo people are located in West Africa not central africa. Where did you get that one from? Do you choose to ignore facts or make up facts at your own convenience? In fact at one point getting slaves from those areas became so unfavored, it became outlawed. Later the same would be true for the akan. @Bold...this is the only part where I agree with you Kails. Second since when is posting some words proof that the igbos were the majority? Yoruba also influenced us. Kongo ppls also influenced us. Sahelian ppl also influenced us....and I can show how those others did. Not only did they influence us languistically speaking but also in terms of song, dance and culturally but again, what does that prove other than the fact that we are mutts? Ma'am, by saying 'us', he was referring to African Americans and not the whole of Northern and Southern America. What is the topic of this thread? 'Nigerian(Igbo) and African American'. Or am I blind? He may not be far from the truth given the pervasive Igbo landmarks still present in the US till today. Ibo's landing, for example. I don't see any other place in the US being named after an african tribe. What of the presence of the Igbo/Ibibio Nsibidid writings still present on grave stones of former slave grounds in the US? What of the fact that a few AAs still bear 'Ibo' as surname just as many Igbo people of Nigeria bear 'Igbo' as surname? What about those that bear Armaka or Chiagosie, etc? Igbo's don't have a strong influence yet a full Igbo village was erected in US in memory of Igbo ancestors? Why don't we have Akan, Senegambia or even Fulani villages erected as well? If you don't believe his statement, then come up with counter evidence of another african tribe's stronger influence on AAs. Of course, I don't use the Yoruba Santeria being practised in Louisiana as an example since it was only imported recently from central africa and was never a legacy left behind in US by yoruba ancestors.
Do you even bother to look facts up before you begin to type out of ignorance? You only choose what you want to believe? Who says 'Unu' or a derivative of it isn't found in Trinidadian creole, Barbadian(Bajan) creole or Bahamian creole?
At this point of course you'd have us believe that 'wuna' or 'yina' aren't exactly 'una' yet Santeria isn't exactly Ifa yet you'd gladly believe it is a derivative of the Yoruba religion. Jamaican words such as DUPPY, TALLAWAH, OBRUNI(sp?), ABENG Etc are akan (Ghanaian) words...does that make us ONLY AKAN? SHANGO, LABALABA and a few others (i dont feel like making a long list) came from the YORUBA, DOES THAT MAKE US ONLY YORUBA? When did Labalaba become a yoruba word? NDINGI, KUMINA, and a few others came from the bantu dialects, DOES THAT ONLY MAKE US BANTU? @Bold...nobody ever said that. I've corrected you severally yet you keep carrying the misconception around. However, the Igbo people did wield their own influence just as the Yoruba and Akan peoples also did. On any Igbo-Caribbean-AA thread, we strive to exclusively bring forward the Igbo contribution. That in no way means that we dominated. Other threads on Akan-Caribbean or Kongo-Caribbean threads could as well be started. You could start of a Fulani-Caribbean thread yourself. If you go to Yoruba/Caribbean threads you see Yoruba influence mostly being discussed. Why is then different in the Igbo case? Yet, when the Igbo influence is being discussed people like you and Kwame try to belittle it? I find your write-ups to be particularly impartial and less credible. For one thing, you don't verify facts before jumping into conclusions and for another thing you keep making up false facts(the case of south eastern africa for example) to fuel your beliefs. |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 6:02am On Sep 07, 2013 |
The Usage of 'Unu' is widely spread in the Caribbean and in Sierra Leone. 1)Usage of 'Unu' in Belizean Creole(Krio) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belizean_Creole 2) Usage of 'Unno' in St. Kittles Creole. Example sentences [edit source] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Kitts_Creole 3) The Usage of 'Wuna' in Barbados Creole. In the creole of the Island of Barbados, the word for you (plural) is wuna, similar to Jamaican unu/una or Bahamian yina. Unlike Standard English, Bajan tends towards using a zero copula. Ethnologue identifies 20 Bajan words of African origin: 1) wunna You all from the Igbo word unu, which means You (plural). 2) obeah From Igbo Obia, 'doctoring, mysticism, or oracle'. [/quote] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajan_Creole 4) Usage of 'Unu' in Sierra Leonean Creole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krio_language |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Adamskuty(m): 6:06am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima:i thought u told me u are from somewhere in northern europe and south asia, hmm! Ma'am u can lie ooh |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Adamskuty(m): 6:07am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Mrs.Chima:what's diop? Animal,place or thing? |
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Adamskuty(m): 6:12am On Sep 07, 2013 |
kwame tut: ^^^^^^Igbo PUNA-NIS we have seen AAs who trace their roots to MOZAMBIQUE.pig u gotta chilex a lil bit when u are dealing with some of mah country men from the eastern side (even though i'm not igbo and thank God i'm not igbo) . But watch the way u post in here grab,nigga? (kwame) y'all S.a got funny weird names thou,what's kwame? |
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