Kobojunkie:
1. God is Holy and it follows that His image is also Holy, or can that which is cursed belong to or be of God, in otherworldly, retain its holiness?

2. Adam was not born of Spirit but of the physical elements of this here earth - Genesis 2 vs 6-7.. God affirmed this when He cursed Adam to die - from dust you were made and to dust you return. Adam had no eternal life hence no spirit - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22

Jesus Christ restated this in John 3 vs 5 - 8, He stated that the only birth an individual knows from his mother's womb is a physical birth.

I agree with you that God is holy. That is why Jesup told us to be holy like our Father in heaven. He knows we have God's image and the capability to be holy.
God never said Adam had no eternal life. I didn't read that in the verses you quoted. Remember the bible teaches that all men would resurrect, that includes Adam.

tctrills:
1. He knows we have God's image and the capability to be holy.

2. God never said Adam had no eternal life. I didn't read that in the verses you quoted.

3. Remember the bible teaches that all men would resurrect, that includes Adam.

1. Interesting claim you make of Jesus Christ there.

2. Read Genesis 3 vs 19 -22. Adam was not born imbued with eternal life from His beginning - He apparently could have obtained it from eating of the Tree of Life, but he never got the chance to do that and so perished as God decreed.

3. Your "Bible" does not teach anything of the such. It is instead a book of books. Jesus Christ, however, taught His followers that when He returns, He will raise to life those who are of His flock - not all men - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 10 vs 19 - 29. Adam, along with everyone who died in unbelief, will not be a part of Jesus Christ's resurrection. They all die without an eternal/afterlife.

Kobojunkie:
1. Interesting claim you make of Jesus Christ there.

2. Read Genesis 3 vs 19 -22. Adam was not born imbued with eternal life from His beginning - He apparently could have obtained it from eating of the Tree of Life, but he never got the chance to do that and so perished as God decreed.

3. Your "Bible" does not teach anything of the such. It is instead a book of books. Jesus Christ, however, taught His followers that when He returns, He will raise to life those who are of His flock - not all men - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 10 vs 19 - 29. Adam, along with everyone who died in unbelief, will not be a part of Jesus Christ's resurrection. They all die without an eternal/afterlife.

No man is born with eternal life. Each of us have to fight for our salvation with fear and trembling.
Yes I agree with you only the true followers of Christ would have eternal life. But all men would be raised from the dead
Revelation's 20.12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

Also read 1 corinthians 15 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

This means like Christ, the spirits of all men would against reunite with there bodies.
And the scripturesecond you quote in
Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 10 vs 19 - 29 actually prove that I am right.
Matthew 25 talks of a time after the resurrection where all would be judged. The righteous would have everlasting life and the unrighteous everlasting punishment with weeping and gnashing of teeth. Thanks for bringing up that scripture.

tctrills:
1. But all men would be raised from the dead
Revelation's 20.12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.....

2. Also read 1 corinthians 15 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.This means like Christ, the spirits of all men would against reunite with there bodies.

3. And the scripturesecond you quote in
Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 10 vs 19 - 29 actually prove that I am right.
Matthew 25 talks of a time after the resurrection where all would be judged. The righteous would have everlasting life and the unrighteous everlasting punishment with weeping and gnashing of teeth. Thanks for bringing up that scripture.

1. Where do you find it suggested , in Revelation 20 vs 12, that all who have ever died since Adam will be raised from the dead?,

2. As for the meaning of Paul's statement in 1 Corinthians 15, please pay close attention to what is said in the context

20 But Christ really has been raised from death—the first one of all those who will be raised.
21 Death comes to people because of what one man did. But now there is resurrection from death because of another man.
22 I mean that in Adam all of us die. And in the same way, in Christ all of us will be made alive again.
23 But everyone will be raised to life in the right order. Christ was first to be raised. Then, when Christ comes again, those who belong to him will be raised to life.
24 Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. Then he will give the kingdom to God the Father. - 1 Corinthians 15 vs 20 - 24

Paul clarified himself in verse 23 - those who belong to Jesus Christ will be raised to life. His claim isn't that all who have ever died beginning with Adam will be raised, no.

3. Jesus Christ, in His teachings, makes clear to all that it is only those who belong in His flock that will be raised from the dead. Only they have eternal life and so only they will be raised and judged- the great white throne judgement- by Him - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 10 vs 19 - 29

Those of them who perished in the grave, have no eternal life and as a result will not be raised and judged again. God's judgement against them, beginning with Adam, is all the judgement necessary.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where do you find it suggested , in Revelation 20 vs 12, that all who have ever died since Adam will be raised from the dead?,

2. As for the meaning of Paul's statement in 1 Corinthians 15, please pay close attention to what is said in the context
Paul clarified himself in verse 23 - those who belong to Jesus Christ will be raised to life. His claim isn't that all who have ever died beginning with Adam will be raised, no.

3. Jesus Christ, in His teachings, makes clear to all that it is only those who belong in His flock that will be raised from the dead. Only they have eternal life and so only they will be raised and judged- the great white throne judgement- by Him - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 10 vs 19 - 29

Those of them who perished in the grave, have no eternal life and as a result will not be raised and judged again. God's judgement against them, beginning with Adam, is all the judgement necessary.

The earth gave up its dead the sea gave it's dead, hell gave it's dead. Maybe Adam dead in the sKY because even he'll gave up its dead.
Again you do not understand paul. Vs 23.But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. This simply means it wouldn't happen at once. It's turn by turn.
But then let me gave you one more scripture.
John 5.28. 28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming(AB) when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemne
If the wicked would not be resurrected then why Luke 13:28

In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Or is it their spirits that would weep?
Jesus never said only his people would be resurrected, he said everyone.

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=109118540]1. Where do you find it suggested , in Revelation 20 vs 12, that all who have ever died since Adam will be raised from the dead?,

2. As for the meaning of Paul's statement in 1 Corinthians 15, please pay close attention to what is said in the context
Paul clarified himself in verse 23 - those who belong to Jesus Christ will be raised to life. His claim isn't that all who have ever died beginning with Adam will be raised, no.

3. Jesus Christ, in His teachings, makes clear to all that it is only those who belong in His flock that will be raised from the dead. Only they have eternal life and so only they will be raised and judged- the great white throne judgement- by Him - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & John 10 vs 19 - 29

Those of them who perished in the grave, have no eternal life and as a result will not be raised and judged again. God's judgement against them, beginning with Adam, is all the judgement necessary. [/quote

Did you read
Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? It talks about the wicked being cast to eternal punishment. It did not say they wouldn't be resurrected. You need to read the verses you are quoting.
Again read John 5..28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
Christ said all who are in the grave would hear his voice and come out. Are you calling Christ a lier? You really need to read the Bible. No verse teaches that only the righteous would be resurrected. I have given you enough verses that teach that all would be resurrected. I challenge you to find any verse that teaches only the righteous would resurrect.
Read also, Dan 12.2
Acts 24:14-15) the resurrection of the unjust
1 Thessalonians 4:16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (The dead in Christ would raise first similar to 1 cor15.23)

tctrills:
1. The earth gave up its dead the sea gave it's dead, hell gave it's dead. Maybe Adam dead in the sKY because even he'll gave up its dead.

2. Again you do not understand paul. Vs 23.But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. This simply means it wouldn't happen at once. It's turn by turn.

3. But then let me gave you one more scripture.
John 5.28. 28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming(AB) when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemne

4. If the wicked would not be resurrected then why Luke 13:28 I n that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Or is it their spirits that would weep?

5. Jesus never said only his people would be resurrected, he said everyone.

1. The earth and sea gave up its dead.... does not imply all those who died since Adam will be raised or are even raisable. Recall God’s judgement as pronounced in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22, was not meant as a semi-final judgement of some sort. No, it was God's final judgement for the unbelievers, and nowhere in scripture was this judgement reversed by God, or Jesus Christ.

So to assert that all those who perished in the grave would be raised back into existence, to be judged again by God, is to suggest His first judgement failed, rendering God's Word void and God a failure. :-

2. Let's try to keep from deviating here, shall we? The point is Paul's claim in verse 22 he clarified in verse 23 as meaning that those who belong to Jesus Christ will be raised. This instead of your original claim which was that all those who ever died since the time of Adam will be raised.

3. Regarding what is written there in John 5 vs 19 - 29, the same Jesus Christ goes on to tell you in the passage below...

14-15 “I am the shepherd who cares for the sheep. I know my sheep just as the Father knows me. And my sheep know me just as I know the Father. I give my life for these sheep.
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.
.....
25 Jesus answered, “I told you already, but you did not believe. I do miracles in my Father’s name. These miracles show who I am.
26 But you do not believe, because you are not my sheep.
27 My sheep listen to my voice. I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give my sheep eternal life. They will never die, and no one can take them out of my hand.
29 My Father is the one who gave them to me, and he is greater than all. No one can steal my sheep out of his hand.
30 The Father and I are one.” - John 10 vs 25 - 30

... that it is His sheep that will hear His voice and respond.

4. Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46 - the wicked refers to those in His flock who refuse to obey him, the goats in His flock

5. Jesus Christ made it more than clear through several parables as well, that it is those who belong in His flock, all those who believe in Him - they have eternal life as a result - will be raised by Him in the end.

tctrills:
1. Did you read Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ? It talks about the wicked being cast to eternal punishment. It did not say they wouldn't be resurrected. You need to read the verses you are quoting.

2. Again read John 5..28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

3. Christ said all who are in the grave would hear his voice and come out. Are you calling Christ a lier? You really need to read the Bible.

4. No verse teaches that only the righteous would be resurrected. I have given you enough verses that teach that all would be resurrected. I challenge you to find any verse that teaches only the righteous would resurrect.

5. Read also, Dan 12.2
Acts 24:14-15) the resurrection of the unjust
1 Thessalonians 4:16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (The dead in Christ would raise first similar to 1 cor15.23)

1. Ofcourse it speaks of the wicked being cast into the lake of fire. I believe the problem is you misjudge the wicked. They belong in His flock - they too believe in Jesus Christ hence they have eternal life from Him - only they reject His teachings and commandments choosing to live in sin instead.

2. Read point 1 above. The wicked are goats in His flock.

3. Jesus Christ didn't lie at all. You just don't understand what He has been telling you all this while is all.

4. I never said anything about only the righteous being resurrected. You are the one who conveniently assumed that. I instead said it is those who belong to Jesus Christ's flock aka those who believe in Him and hence have eternal life aka spirit that will be resurrected.

5. As for the meaning in Paul's words, it's a good idea to pay attention to context abeg!

13 Brothers and sisters, we want you to know about those who have died. We don’t want you to be sad like other people—those who have no hope.
14 We believe that Jesus died, but we also believe that he rose again. So we believe that God will raise to life through Jesus any who have died and bring them together with him when he comes.

15 What we tell you now is the Lord’s own message. Those of us who are still living when the Lord comes again will join him, but not before those who have already died.
16 The Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. And the people who have died and were in Christ will rise first.
17 After that we who are still alive at that time will be gathered up with those who have died. We will be taken up in the clouds and meet the Lord in the air. And we will be with the Lord forever.
18 So encourage each other with these words. - 1 Thessalonians 4 vs 13 - 18

Again, Paul was not here suggesting that another group would be resurrected after those dead in Jesus Christ. This claim again of similar pattern to the one he made in 1 Corinthians 15 vs 22 -23

Kobojunkie:
1. Ofcourse it speaks of the wicked being cast into the lake of fire. I believe the problem is you misjudge the wicked. They belong in His flock - they too believe in Jesus Christ hence they have eternal life from Him - only they reject His teachings and commandments choosing to live in sin instead.

2. Read point 1 above. The wicked are goats in His flock.

3. Jesus Christ didn't lie at all. You just don't understand what He has been telling you all this while is all.

4. I never said anything about only the righteous being resurrected. You are the one who conveniently assumed that. I instead said it is those who belong to Jesus Christ's flock aka those who believe in Him and hence have eternal life aka spirit that will be resurrected.

5. As for the meaning in Paul's words, it's a good idea to pay attention to context abeg!
Again, Paul was not here suggesting that another group would be resurrected after those dead in Jesus Christ. This claim again of similar pattern to the one he made in 1 Corinthians 15 vs 22 -23

Honestly I don't get you are you saying the wicked would be resurrected or not.
Did you read John 5.28-29?

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Kobojunkie:
1. The earth and sea gave up its dead.... does not imply all those who died since Adam will be raised or are even raisable. Recall God’s judgement as pronounced in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22, was not meant as a semi-final judgement of some sort. No, it was God's final judgement for the unbelievers, and nowhere in scripture was this judgement reversed by God, or Jesus Christ.

So to assert that all those who perished in the grave would be raised back into existence, to be judged again by God, is to suggest His first judgement failed, rendering God's Word void and God a failure. :-

2. Let's try to keep from deviating here, shall we? The point is Paul's claim in verse 22 he clarified in verse 23 as meaning that those who belong to Jesus Christ will be raised. This instead of your original claim which was that all those who ever died since the time of Adam will be raised.

3. Regarding what is written there in John 5 vs 19 - 29, the same Jesus Christ goes on to tell you in the passage below...
... that it is His sheep that will hear His voice and respond.

4. Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46 - the wicked refers to those in His flock who refuse to obey him, the goats in His flock

5. Jesus Christ made it more than clear through several parables as well, that it is those who belong in His flock, all those who believe in Him - they have eternal life as a result - will be raised by Him in the end.

God told Adam he would die, did he die? Yes
God never said he would not raise again. No scripture says such so where did you get your teachings from.
I was hoping you would show any verse that teaches that the righteous would not resurrect.
God's judgment was simply, it said to Adam, you would die. It never said, you would not live again. But now I have given you enough verses that teach all men would come form the grave . The wicked does not refer only to his flocks. It refers to every wicked. Let's not add out view to the word.
Again if I may get you, are you trying to say that the disobedient flock would ressurrect but those that are not Christian's wouldn't resurrect? If that is your point, I find it super interesting and I am waiting for you to prove with scripture.
Can you explain this verse then?
Like 14.28
In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Who was Jesus talking to because it was not to the disobedient flock.

Kobojunkie:
1. Ofcourse it speaks of the wicked being cast into the lake of fire. I believe the problem is you misjudge the wicked. They belong in His flock - they too believe in Jesus Christ hence they have eternal life from Him - only they reject His teachings and commandments choosing to live in sin instead.

2. Read point 1 above. The wicked are goats in His flock.

3. Jesus Christ didn't lie at all. You just don't understand what He has been telling you all this while is all.

4. I never said anything about only the righteous being resurrected. You are the one who conveniently assumed that. I instead said it is those who belong to Jesus Christ's flock aka those who believe in Him and hence have eternal life aka spirit that will be resurrected.

5. As for the meaning in Paul's words, it's a good idea to pay attention to context abeg!
Again, Paul was not here suggesting that another group would be resurrected after those dead in Jesus Christ. This claim again of similar pattern to the one he made in 1 Corinthians 15 vs 22 -23

Since you claim the wicked means the disobedient flocks, I have taken it upon myself to show you verses in the bible that talk about the wicked.
men of Sodom were wicked and sinners, Gen. 13:13.
Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked, 1 Sam. 24:13
wicked … will not seek after God, Ps. 10:4.
No verse in the entire bible defines the wicked as disobedient flocks but rather anyone that does wickedness.

Kobojunkie:
1. Ofcourse it speaks of the wicked being cast into the lake of fire. I believe the problem is you misjudge the wicked. They belong in His flock - they too believe in Jesus Christ hence they have eternal life from Him - only they reject His teachings and commandments choosing to live in sin instead.

2. Read point 1 above. The wicked are goats in His flock.

3. Jesus Christ didn't lie at all. You just don't understand what He has been telling you all this while is all.

4. I never said anything about only the righteous being resurrected. You are the one who conveniently assumed that. I instead said it is those who belong to Jesus Christ's flock aka those who believe in Him and hence have eternal life aka spirit that will be resurrected.

5. As for the meaning in Paul's words, it's a good idea to pay attention to context abeg!
Again, Paul was not here suggesting that another group would be resurrected after those dead in Jesus Christ. This claim again of similar pattern to the one he made in 1 Corinthians 15 vs 22 -23

Are you not enjoying the way I use the scripture to prove all I say? I need you to provide 1 sscripture that says not everyone would be ressurrected. If you can do that, then you have a strong case.
Remember, I have shown you verses in corinthians and John the clearly say all men would be ressurrected. Not my words so not its up to you.

tctrills:

Honestly I don't get you are you saying the wicked would be resurrected or not.
Did you read John 5.28-29?

There are 2 gates into the Kingdom of God - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

■ the broad gate that leads to destruction which the multitude will enter through
■ the narrow Gate which only a few will find that leads to true life
Ofcourse, Jesus Christ expects us to enter through the narrow Gate - Luke 13 vs 22 - 27, but not all will. However, all those who enter into the Kingdom of God are born-again, that is born of water and from spirit - they all have eternal life

Now back to your question, the wicked are those who entered into the Kingdom of God through the broad gate - they are counted as part of His flock. They are those who Jesus Christ considers His enemy - they refuse to obey His teachings and commandments - even though they may claim to have Jesus Christ as their savior. They have eternal life and so will be resurrected when Jesus Christ returns - they too hear His voice. But as Jesus Christ made clear in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, & John 5 vs 19 - 29, only the sheep will pass on to eternal reward; the goats will be passed on to eternal damnation instead.

Kobojunkie:
There are 2 gates into the Kingdom of God - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

■ the broad gate that leads to destruction which the multitude will enter through
■ the narrow Gate which only a few will find that leads to true life
Ofcourse, Jesus Christ expects us to enter through the narrow Gate - Luke 13 vs 22 - 27, but not all will. However, all those who enter into the Kingdom of God are born-again, that is born of water and from spirit - they all have eternal life

Now back to your question, the wicked are those who entered into the Kingdom of God through the broad gate - they are counted as part of His flock. They are those who Jesus Christ considers His enemy - they refuse to obey His teachings and commandments - even though they may claim to have Jesus Christ as their savior. They have eternal life and so will be resurrected when Jesus Christ returns - they too hear His voice. But as Jesus Christ made clear in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, & John 5 vs 19 - 29, only the sheep will pass on to eternal reward; the goats will be passed on to eternal damnation instead.

Baba, the broad does not lead to the kingdom of God, or are we quoting from the same bible. My Bible says it leads to destruction. You really need to read these passages before posting them so you stop misquoting.
Secondly we are not arguing about Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, & John 5 vs 19 - 29. We both agreed that only his sheep would gain eternal reward.And the wicked get eternal punishment. But they wicked need to be alive to get there punishment. There would be weeping and gnashing of teeth like the bible teaches.

tctrills:
1God told Adam he would die, did he die? Yes
God never said he would not raise again. No scripture says such so where did you get your teachings from.

2. I was hoping you would show any verse that teaches that the righteous would not resurrect.

3. God's judgment was simply, it said to Adam, you would die. It never said, you would not live again. But now I have given you enough verses that teach all men would come form the grave . The wicked does not refer only to his flocks. It refers to every wicked. Let's not add out view to the word.

4. Again if I may get you, are you trying to say that the disobedient flock would ressurrect but those that are not Christian's wouldn't resurrect? If that is your point, I find it super interesting and I am waiting for you to prove with scripture.

5. Can you explain this verse then? Like 14.28
In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Who was Jesus talking to because it was not to the disobedient flock.

1. Why did God kick Adam out of the garden of Eden if God's plan was to eventually change His mind - reanimate Adam back from dust and then install in him an eternal spirit of Adam's own?

2. Why would you have such hope when I didn't say anything about the righteous in all of this.... you did.

3. Absolutely none of the verses you have posted so far speak of any such. So I am not certain why you can claim them so simply by declaring it. Not a single one of the verses from even the Gospels tell of all being raised.... Jesus Christ made it perfectly clear in His teachings that He would raise those who belong in His flock ... the Kingdom of God.... not those outside of it. So again....?

4. Disobedient flock? Pay attention to what you are told in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. The sheep and goats are of one flock... Jesus Christ's and they will all be raised and gathered to judgement. The sheep(the righteous) will receive eternal reward whereas the goats(the unrighteous/wicked) will receive eternal damnation. It is simple as that really!.

5. I think you got the reference wrong. Luke 14 vs 28 is not correct here.

tctrills:

Since you claim the wicked means the disobedient flocks, I have taken it upon myself to show you verses in the bible that talk about the wicked.
men of Sodom were wicked and sinners, Gen. 13:13.
Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked, 1 Sam. 24:13
wicked … will not seek after God, Ps. 10:4.
No verse in the entire bible defines the wicked as disobedient flocks but rather anyone that does wickedness.

You are kidding, right? Pay attention to the context of the conversation so you don't keep jumping all over the place abeg!

Why are the goats also considered wicked? If you read closely the judgement spelt out against then in Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46, you would see why they are referred to as wicked aka unrighteous.

tctrills:
Are you not enjoying the way I use the scripture to prove all I say? I need you to provide 1 sscripture that says not everyone would be ressurrected. If you can do that, then you have a strong case.
Remember, I have shown you verses in corinthians and John the clearly say all men would be ressurrected. Not my words so not its up to you.

All you have done is prove you also read Paul's letters out-of-context.

Paul never said in any of what you quoted that everyone will be resurrected- in both cases He explained that instead it is the dead in Jesus Christ that would be raised from the dead. Essentially what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 vs 22 is that through Adam, Death came to all those born of Adam, but through Jesus Christ, eternal life comes to all those born(again) through Jesus Christ - only those who are born(again) through Jesus Christ have eternal life and so will be raised. Notice how this is completely different from your earlier assertion..

Then in verse 23, Paul clarifies that indeed only those who are born(again) through Jesus Christ will be raised.

As for me, I never also never said all the dead from Adam will be raised. I said those who belong to Jesus Christ's flock will be resurrected and they include all those who believe in Him - His sheep hear His voice and will be raised by Him to judgement after He returns - John 5 vs 19 - 29..

Please, stop, separate your delusions from that which is written so you can see.

tctrills:
1. Baba, the broad does not lead to the kingdom of God, or are we quoting from the same bible. My Bible says it leads to destruction. You really need to read these passages before posting them so you stop misquoting.

2. Secondly we are not arguing about Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, & John 5 vs 19 - 29. We both agreed that only his sheep would gain eternal reward.And the wicked get eternal punishment. But they wicked need to be alive to get there punishment. There would be weeping and gnashing of teeth like the bible teaches.

1. If you had carefully read what I wrote there, you would have seen where I pointed out that the broad gate does indeed lead to destruction whereas the narrow gate leads to true life.... both of them right there in the Kingdom of God.

Where do you think Hell, the place of eternal damnation/punishment/destruction is? It's in the Kingdom of God. I mean, why else would Jesus Christ urge us to enter the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate, this as opposed to entering through the broad gate?

2. Ofcourse the wicked will be alive for eternity to get their eternal punishment/damnation etc. By virtue of their believing in Jesus Christ, much like demons do, they have eternal life which they will spend in Hell with

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=109120001]1. If you had carefully read what I wrote there, you would have seen where I pointed out that the broad gate does indeed lead to destruction whereas the narrow gate leads to true life.... both of them right there in the Kingdom of God.

Where do you think Hell, the place of eternal damnation/punishment/destruction is? It's in the Kingdom of God. I mean, why else would Jesus Christ urge us to enter the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate, this as opposed to entering through the broad gate?

2. Ofcourse the wicked will be alive for eternity to get their eternal punishment/damnation etc. By virtue of their believing in Jesus Christ, much like demons do, they have eternal life which they will spend in Hell with [/quote
Please sir, when you say stuff like 'hell is in the kingdom of God', it's always better to prove it with scripture. If not, you are just expressing a personal opinion.

Kobojunkie:
All you have done is prove you also read Paul's letters out-of-context.

Paul never said in any of what you quoted that everyone will be resurrected- in both cases He explained that instead it is the dead in Jesus Christ that would be raised from the dead. Essentially what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 vs 22 is that through Adam, Death came to all those born of Adam, but through Jesus Christ, eternal life comes to all those born(again) through Jesus Christ - only those who are born(again) through Jesus Christ have eternal life and so will be raised. Notice how this is completely different from your earlier assertion..

Then in verse 23, Paul clarifies that indeed only those who are born(again) through Jesus Christ will be raised.

As for me, I never also never said all the dead from Adam will be raised. I said those who belong to Jesus Christ's flock will be resurrected and they include all those who believe in Him - His sheep hear His voice and will be raised by Him to judgement after He returns - John 5 vs 19 - 29..

Please, stop, separate your delusions from that which is written so you can see.

I do not know the version of bible you use. In my version, 1 cor 15.22 says
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. It did not talk about the born again ok. Verse 23 says it would haopen turn by turn with Christ first then his followers next.
Then John 5. 28-29 28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

It says All that are in the Grave.. please tell me the version of bible you are using so I can be quoting from it since you don't agree me mine.

Kobojunkie:
You are kidding, right? Pay attention to the context of the conversation so you don't keep jumping all over the place abeg!

Why are the goats also considered wicked? If you read closely the judgement spelt out against then in Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46, you would see why they are referred to as wicked aka unrighteous.

We both agree the Goats are wicked
They are not of his flock. He never said the goats are part of his flock. Where did you get that from?
Read verse 32
All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
It says he would gather all nations. Not only his flock do you understand. Where did you get that from?

God is not a spirit if you read the bible.

tctrills:

Please sir, when you say stuff like 'hell is in the kingdom of God', it's always better to prove it with scripture. If not, you are just expressing a personal opinion.

I did but you are not paying attention at all.

■ Again, you are told that you have to be born from water and from spirit in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 5 - 8
■ Then you are informed that there are 2 gates to be aware of - a broad gate(to destruction) and a narrow gate(leads to true life) - and you are cautioned to enter in through the narrow Gate - Luke 13 vs 22 - 27
■ in John 5 vs 19 - 29 , you are informed that those who hear Jesus Christ's voice will be raised from the dead, and judged. Some to eternal reward whereas the others to eternal damnation/punishment
■ then in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, you are informed that when Jesus Christ returns in glory, He will seat as king on His throne as King to judge all the people of the world gathered before Him.

▪︎ the sheep will be blessed with the Kingdom that God promised them - Heaven
▪︎ the goats will sent into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels - Hell

From the passage, you see that Heaven and Hell are both ruled over by the King, Jesus Christ, the one whose Kingdom it is.

Kobojunkie:
1. Why did God kick Adam out of the garden of Eden if God's plan was to eventually change His mind - reanimate Adam back from dust and then install in him an eternal spirit of Adam's own?

2. Why would you have such hope when I didn't say anything about the righteous in all of this.... you did.

3. Absolutely none of the verses you have posted so far speak of any such. So I am not certain why you can claim them so simply by declaring it. Not a single one of the verses from even the Gospels tell of all being raised.... Jesus Christ made it perfectly clear in His teachings that He would raise those who belong in His flock ... the Kingdom of God.... not those outside of it. So again....?

4. Disobedient flock? Pay attention to what you are told in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. The sheep and goats are of one flock... Jesus Christ's and they will all be raised and gathered to judgement. The sheep(the righteous) will receive eternal reward whereas the goats(the unrighteous/wicked) will receive eternal damnation. It is simple as that really!.

5. I think you got the reference wrong. Luke 14 vs 28 is not correct here.

The sheep and the goat are not of one flock. That is your personal opinion.
You asked a great question. Why God who raise Adam men from the grave. It's a very simple answer. Why do you think God would forgive you are raise you from the death. Remember, the wages of sin is death and all men have sinned.
But the answer is Jesus Christ. Through Adam, we all are sentenced to death and through Christ we are are ressurected. Isn't that what your bible says.
Remember Adam is not the only one that has committed sin, we all have. He is not the only one that was published with death, we all are. Hence if you are not surprised at your own ressurection, why are you shocked that Adam would be ressurected. Is it not the same God that created you two? Have you not committed sin just like him? Where you not also sentencedo to death just like him? If God can change his mind for you, then why not for Adam?

Kobojunkie:
I did but you are not paying attention at all.

■ Again, you are told that you have to be born from water and from spirit in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 5 - 8
■ Then you are informed that there are 2 gates to be aware of - a broad gate(to destruction) and a narrow gate(leads to true life) - and you are cautioned to enter in through the narrow Gate - Luke 13 vs 22 - 27
■ in John 5 vs 19 - 29 , you are informed that those who hear Jesus Christ's voice will be raised from the dead, and judged. Some to eternal reward whereas the others to eternal damnation/punishment
■ then in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, you are informed that when Jesus Christ returns in glory, He will seat as king on His throne as King to judge all the people of the world gathered before Him.

▪︎ the sheep will be blessed with the Kingdom that God promised them - Heaven
▪︎ the goats will sent into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels - Hell

From the passage, you see that Heaven and Hell are both ruled over by the King, Jesus Christ, the one whose Kingdom it is.

None of the scriptures say heaven and hell are both ruled over by God. None state that hell is part of God's kingdom. What really is your point?

tctrills:
1. I do not know the version of bible you use. In my version, 1 cor 15.22 says
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. It did not talk about the born again ok. Verse 23 says it would haopen turn by turn with Christ first then his followers next.

2. Then John 5. 28-29 28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. It says All that are in the Grave..

3. please tell me the version of bible you are using so I can be quoting from it since you don't agree me mine.

1. Pay attention to what Paul is saying. Stop trying to interpret but rather apply basic comprehension skills as you would when reading any book out there.

Who are the all in Adam? Everyone descended from Adam, right?
Now who are the all in Jesus Christ? Everyone who is born(again) of Jesus Christ. The all of Adam aren't the all of Jesus Christ.
Paul clarifies this in verse 23 when he directly refers to the all in Jesus Christ as those who belong to Jesus Christ.

20 But Christ really has been raised from death—the first one of all those who will be raised.
21 Death comes to people because of what one man did. But now there is resurrection from death because of another man.
22 I mean that in Adam all of us die. And in the same way, in Christ all of us will be made alive again.
23 But everyone will be raised to life in the right order. Christ was first to be raised. Then, when Christ comes again, those who belong to him will be raised to life.
24 Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. Then he will give the kingdom to God the Father. - 1 Corinthians 15 vs 20 - 24

order is of no importance to this here.

2. Again, in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22, God cursed mankind to perish in the grave - from dust you were made and to dust you return. So, if a man dies in unbelief, what this means is man(mind, body and soul) ceases to exist , he is dust and no more. Even though a body was buried whenever, what God said is there is no longer anyone there.

So when in John 5 vs 19 - 29, you are told that all those in their graves will be raised, we know that those who perished are not there is the grave. Only those who have eternal life, those who belong to Jesus Christ's flock sleep in their graves awaiting resurrection after all.

3. I quote from Easy-to-read version since the English is plain for comprehension purposes

tctrills:

None of the scriptures say heaven and hell are both ruled over by God. None state that hell is part of God's kingdom. What really is your point?

So, you believe instead that the King described in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 prepared Hell, and can condemn devils and His angels as well as goats to eternal damnation in Hell but has no jurisdiction over Hell?

Kobojunkie:
1. Pay attention to what Paul is saying. Stop trying to interpret but rather apply basic comprehension skills as you would when reading any book out there.

Who are the all in Adam? Everyone descended from Adam, right?
Now who are the all in Jesus Christ? Everyone who is born(again) of Jesus Christ. The all of Adam aren't the all of Jesus Christ.
Paul clarifies this in verse 23 when he directly refers to the all in Jesus Christ as those who belong to Jesus Christ.
order is of no importance to this here.

2. Again, in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22, God cursed mankind to perish in the grave - from dust you were made and to dust you return. So, if a man dies in unbelief, what this means is man(mind, body and soul) ceases to exist , he is dust and no more. Even though a body was buried whenever, what God said is there is no longer anyone there.

So when in John 5 vs 19 - 29, you are told that all those in their graves will be raised, we know that those who perished are not there is the grave. Only those who have eternal life, those who belong to Jesus Christ's flock sleep in their graves awaiting resurrection after all.

I am the one right on Pauls word. Word for word, Paul says all would be resurrected. Verse 23 tells us the order of resurrection simple.
Wait, are you saying that the bodies of non Christian's are not in the grave? You are contradicting yourself.

So, if a man dies in unbelief, what this means is man(mind, body and soul) ceases to exist , he is dust and no more[color=#000099][/color].
Did you just make this up? Because it has no scriptural backing.
No single scripture says these things. All that are in the grave would come forth simple. Read your bible na.

Kobojunkie:
So, you believe instead that the King described in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 prepared Hell, and can condemn devils and His angels as well as goats to eternal damnation in Hell but has no jurisdiction over Hell?

First you assume hell is a part of his kingdom, that isn't in the bible. Now talking of jurisdiction, God has jurisdiction over the earth does that mean the earth is his kingdom or would you say God is the ruler of the earth?

tctrills:
1. We both agree the Goats are wicked
They are not of his flock. He never said the goats are part of his flock. Where did you get that from?
Read verse 32
All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
It says he would gather all nations. Not only his flock do you understand. Where did you get that from?

1. In John 5 vs 19 - 29, Jesus Christ informs you that those in the grave will hear His voice and raised from the dead as a result. The same Jesus Christ then went on to explain to you in John 10 vs 14 - 29 that He is the good Shepherd and His sheep know His voice and respond to Him - implying that those who are not of His flock will not respond to His voice.

Matthew 25 vs 32 there clues you in to Jesus's Shepherd status as well when it speaks of Him separating the sheep and goats - 1 Shepherd, 1 flock.

Kobojunkie:
So, you believe instead that the King described in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 prepared Hell, and can condemn devils and His angels as well as goats to eternal damnation in Hell but has no jurisdiction over Hell?

with the bible, you don't assume, you believe what you are told. If the bible says all those in the grave would come forth, you believe it simple. Don't add or subtract remember

Kobojunkie:
1. In John 5 vs 19 - 29, Jesus Christ informs you that those in the grave will hear His voice and raised from the dead as a result. The same Jesus Christ then went on to explain to you in John 10 vs 14 - 29 that He is the good Shepherd and His sheep know His . voice and respond to Him - implying that those who are not of His flock will not respond to His voice.

Matthew 25 vs 32 there clues you in to Jesus's Shepherd status as well when it speaks of Him separating the sheep and goats - 1 Shepherd, 1 flock.

His flock is sheep not the goat. Thank you for bringing up John 10.
Now you need to understand that at the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow.. both his sheep or the goat. He never said the goat were a part of his flock. You probably should write your own bible.