HardMirror:
which god are we talking about?

See how cataracted you are and can be? I already said/wrote that "there is No Which god" yet you ask again "which god". smh

vinceyinnovation:
Somebody did a painting, so nice and great, and left the painted work in the canvas and left....others who came start debating that nobody painted it. Why? Because the painter is not seen. The painter decides in his own discretion not to reveal himself to everyone.

Some people now try to see if they can have peace by confidently assuming there is no painter. Why? Because those who believe there is a painter cannot prove it either.

"The war between atheist/agnostic and believers"

A painted work is actually enough reason to know that that painter exists

BegAt40:

But the painter won't throw people in hell for not knowing him even after intentionally making his identity a secret.

He will. They should have known better.

HardMirror:
bad analogy. We know humans paint because we have see humans paint, so when we see a painting we know a human must be behind it. For life, have we seen other examples of life outside earth that god created and we know for sure it was so so god that created it? So how did we arrive at the assumption that god created the life on this earth. Which god? Where did this god come from

If you can believe there's a painter from seeing the painted work. Why can't you see that they is a creator from seeing his creations?

HardMirror:
everything about god was created by humans even the laws of this so called god. No wonder there are many gods and even those who serve same god are saying different things on behalf of the same god

God revealed himself man. Others gods exists to confuse people more.

HardMirror:
oh o but they dont think the universe could have started from a singularity? The expansion of the universe is proof the universe started from a single point

Which part of your question does this answer?

HellVictorinho3:



Life is absurd..... don't call it God.... also, life just is or living things just appear/disappear

Even your phone can't just appear and dissappear

GraphicsMaster1:
If you can believe there's a painter from seeing the painted work. Why can't you see that they is a creator from seeing his creations?

because we have from experience known paintings are done by human. So when you see a painting you quickly relate it to the paintings you have seen before made by humans. But we have not seen god create animals before. So why should I conclude that animals I see are created by god? Which god, what god how when? Have you seen a god create humans before?

chiedu7:


Satan has blinded many people,thats why

True, even if you show them the most convincing evidence. They will tell you that it doesn't still mean that God exists

GraphicsMaster1:
Even your phone can't just appear and dissappear

because phones are made by humans. We can see it. Have you seen a god create humans or have you seen a video of god creating any plant or animal? How do you then know god created life? Go on you tube, you will see humans making phones, there is proof for that

EpicNigerian:
Reading all the intelligent comments above from both school of thoughts, you'll agree with me that the human mind is really amazing.

My point is, both sides are correct. When a man really believes a thing, that very thing becomes his truth regardless of whether he's right or wrong.

In fact, there isn't anything like right or wrong. Our interpretations of things give them life or death.

There's something about the human mind that can not be easily decrypted.

Right or wrong actually exists.
Has stealing or betraying ever been considered a righteous act?

GraphicsMaster1:
True, even if you show them the most convincing evidence. They will tell you that it doesn't still mean that God exists

problem is you have no evidence so far. Just present your evidence even if we dont accept it. Play your part, give use the evidence and I hope you know evidence is not belief, it is irrefutable, proofable, observable, testable

GraphicsMaster1:
God revealed himself man. Others gods exists to confuse people more.

which god is this and when did he reveal himself?

HardMirror:
because phones are made by humans. We can see it. Have you seen a god create humans or have you seen a video of god creating any plant or animal? How do you then know god created life? Go on you tube, you will see humans making phones, there is proof for that

okay, you say human create phones. Since it cannot just exist.

Then who creates the mountains and world you live in?
Who creates man?

HardMirror:
which god is this and when did he reveal himself?

He speaks in a subtly in our hearts for those who cares to listen.

He spoke in the past through prophets.
And now He gave us His Son, His Word and His Spirit.

GraphicsMaster1:
okay, you say human create phones. Since it cannot just exist.

Then who creates the mountains and world you live in?
Who creates man?

no no no. I did not say humans created phones since it cannot exist. You are the one saying that. Else show me where I said that.

I said we know humans create phones because we can see them making the phones. We know from experience and observation that phones are made by humans.

Dont twist my words please to sooth your lies. There is a big difference.

Have you seen god creating humans for you to know that god makes humans?

GraphicsMaster1:

He speaks in a subtly in our hearts for those who cares to listen.

He spoke in the past through prophets.
And now He gave us His Son, His Word and His Spirit.

yes he speaks in our hearts, that is how we have thousands of religions because they all claim god spoke to them or would you say Zeus's did not speak to those that worshipped him, would you say sango, ifa, obatala does not speak to those that worship them? So can you tell me the name of this your own god

HardMirror:
no no no. I did not say humans created phones since it cannot exist. You are the one saying that. Else show me where I said that.

I said we know humans create phones because we can see them making the phones. We know from experience and observation that phones are made by humans.

Dont twist my words please to sooth your lies. There is a big difference.

Have you seen god creating humans for you to know that god makes humans?

Let's go back. If you see a phone. Will you say it just existed on its own.
Or will you agree that someone made it?

Do you know anything that just willed itself to existence?

@bolded I don't intend to lie. I'm just showing you why I'm a theist

HardMirror:
yes he speaks in our hearts, that is how we have thousands of religions because they all claim god spoke to them or would you say Zeus's did not speak to those that worshipped him, would you say sango, ifa, obatala does not speak to those that worship them? So can you tell me the name of this your own god

You're skipping a step.
If you don't understand the basic math then explaining the calculus to you will be a waste of time.

You gat recognize that there is a spiritual realm first.

GraphicsMaster1:
Let's go back. If you see a phone. Will you say it just existed on its own.
Or will you agree that someone made it?

Do you know anything that just willed itself to existence?

@bolded I don't intend to lie. I'm just showing you why I'm a theist

ok thanks for coming clean and being honest.

How do I know a phone does not just exist? Because humans make phones, we see them making the phones, we see them announcing their plans for new phones they want to release, we can observe them making the phones.

But how do we know god created all the animals and plants we see?

If humans make phones and the human who made the phone must be created, who created the creator of the humans?

HardMirror:
ok thanks for coming clean and being honest.

How do I know a phone does not just exist? Because humans make phones, we see them making the phones, we see them announcing their plans for new phones they want to release, we can observe them making the phones.

But how do we know god created all the animals and plants we see?

If humans make phones and the human who made the phone must be created, who created the creator of the humans?

Thats where our chain of creation stop.

We acknowledge that there is a single being who created all things. Then we just stop there because we can't think of anything higher than 'God'

Think of it, if God actually has a creator then he wouldn't be 'God' anymore

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Afterwards we live our daily lives communicating with that God we know and recognize.

GraphicsMaster1:
Thats where our chain of creation stop.

We acknowledge that there is a single being who created all things. Then we just stop there because we can't think of anything higher than 'God'

Think of it, if God actually has a creator then he wouldn't be 'God' anymore

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Afterwards we live our daily lives communicating with that God we know and recognize.

ok. It is you belief not an empirical proof. Enjoy your God.

I pray to God and He answers, that alone is an evidence to me that He exist. What other evidence am I looking for?

Rosement:
I pray to God and He answers, that alone is an evidence to me that He exist. What other evidence am I looking for?

ok.

HardMirror:
ok. It is you belief not an empirical proof. Enjoy your God.

Thanks jor. I dey enjoy am back to back.

Over to you why don't you acknowledge that there's a creator even if you don't see him?
And
Which kind of proof do you want. A big "I am God" all over the sky? :

Rosement:
I pray to God and He answers, that alone is an evidence to me that He exist. What other evidence am I looking for?

There's a small problem with logic. What if he stops answering. Will you become an atheist the next day?

GraphicsMaster1:
There's a small problem with logic. What if he stops answering. Will you become an atheist the next day?

I trust Him so much and I know He will never fail me or forsake me.

How can I become an atheist? Atheists are persons or people who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God. If He answered me previously, it means He exist.

HenryDion:
Simple: There's lack of empirical evidence to prove or disprove the claim.

Typically, the proposer of an idea is charged with proving his claim, tested under numerous conditions.

So far, what we got is a story book with talking donkeys and bloody infant wars.

They spew more claims, but nothing to back their claims.

How do we prove that infinity terms times infinity terms is infinity?

But we know it is true base on logic not base on science.

To say that things just made themselves out of nowhere is illogical unscientific and stupid.
It takes a stupid person to believe this as truth.

Logically and scientifically things do not just appear on their own but there must be a cause for it. This is the driving force of science and technological advancement.

LordReed:


That London exists is not proof Harry Potter is a real person or that JK Rowling was documenting real history. That Jericho existed doesn't mean your magic sky daddy destroyed its walls.

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This analogy doesn't go. It's a subtle diversion.

He referenced the creation. What you can see, feel, hold, work with not what is abstract, or in movies. Creation isn't movie. Harry Potter never had anything done that we can visit, hold or work with. It was an imagination.

So, you should place the right analogy. Like something created or invented without an inventor or creator. That will be perfect.

BegAt40:

But the painter won't throw people in hell for not knowing him even after intentionally making his identity a secret.

And have you been thrown in hell now with your opposing view?

HardMirror:
everything about god was created by humans even the laws of this so called god. No wonder there are many gods and even those who serve same god are saying different things on behalf of the same god

Have you ever wondered that in the ancient world, almost all regions and culture have knowledge of a god without these people having interaction together.

Mesopotamia had theirs
African did same even without having to learn from each other.

Each region had one way or the other the development of the knowledge of a God. An acclaimed experience that almost align with the experience of those they never had contact with.

I am sure they weren't reasoning together or communicating to arrive at almost the same conclusion.


If we assume they were all foolish, then the definition of foolishness must have been taken from a more foolish generation that arose thousands of years after, called the modem world.

HardMirror:
oh o but they dont think the universe could have started from a singularity? The expansion of the universe is proof the universe started from a single point

what is the single point