LordReed:


That London exists is not proof Harry Potter is a real person or that JK Rowling was documenting real history. That Jericho existed doesn't mean your magic sky daddy destroyed its walls.

This one off me.
Perfect analogy.

chatinent:


It isn't in your ability to “bestow” smartness on people.

He did not attempt to bestow smartness.
He simply identified lack of smartness.

HardMirror:
Happy Sunday, please why is there so much debate on God's existence?
This is a debate that has lasted thousands of years... why is it that millions of people are still unable to see something as irrefutable as God?

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Where have you been searching your evidence? With science or with Theology?

HardMirror:
Happy Sunday, please why is there so much debate on God's existence?
This is a debate that has lasted thousands of years... why is it that millions of people are still unable to see something as irrefutable as God?

God is shy. He doesnt like attention unlike uncle Jesusjnr and his cohorts.

Myer:


This one off me.
Perfect analogy.

No Sir, it was off point.

Harry Potter never created anything, else show me what we can touch, work on that he did, then we can argue his existence.

We are speaking of what is created not what is assumed or abstract.

The analogy didn't address this.

hupernikao:


No Sir, it was off point.

Harry Potter never created anything, else show me what we can touch, work on that he did, then we can argue his existence.

We are speaking of what is created not what is assumed or abstract.

The analogy didn't address this.

Every art is a creation.

All you know about the bible was created literarily.
Same way with Harry Potter.

I can also write that I created you as your father.
Does it prove in real sense that I am your father? I simply created a writ that I created you.

The bible claims the creation of the earth and heavens to God without any known proof.

Otherwise, praytell, how do you know your biblical God created heaven and earth other than what's written in the bible?

Steep:

How do we prove that infinity terms times infinity terms is infinity?

But we know it is true base on logic not base on science.

To say that things just made themselves out of nowhere is illogical unscientific and stupid.
It takes a stupid person to believe this as truth.

Logically and scientifically things do not just appear on their own but there must be a cause for it. This is the driving force of science and technological advancement.

Saying that something came out of nothing is not absurd, cause we don't know anything, yet. If there must be a cause, you'll be plugging yourself into infinite regress. Like, what caused the first cause?

HenryDion:


Saying that something came out of nothing is not absurd, cause we don't know anything, yet. If there must be a cause, you'll be plugging yourself into infinite regress. Like, what caused the first cause?

then if we don't know anything, how did you know there is no God?

Steep:
then if we don't know anything, how did you know there is no God?

I don't know if there's a god or not. I'm agnostic untill there's enough empirical evidence to convince me otherwise.

HenryDion:


I don't know if there's a god or not. I'm agnostic untill there's enough empirical evidence to convince me otherwise.

Well fair enough, but so far there is no evidence that something pops out of nothing.

Steep:

Well fair enough, but so far there is no evidence that something pops out of nothing.

Well, I don't know anything. But one thing I know is that we live in a vast universe, or perhaps multiverse, and the possibilities thereof is mind-melting. The universe and life itself will always be a mystery to us humans. Since I don't know enough, it's foolish of me to say what is and what isn't with absolute certainty.

hupernikao:
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This analogy doesn't go. It's a subtle diversion.

He referenced the creation. What you can see, feel, hold, work with not what is abstract, or in movies. Creation isn't movie. Harry Potter never had anything done that we can visit, hold or work with. It was an imagination.

So, you should place the right analogy. Like something created or invented without an inventor or creator. That will be perfect.

Maybe you don't know who an archeologist is, please look it up.

LordReed2nd:


Maybe you don't know who an archeologist is, please look it up.

Harry potter nko?

Myer:


Every art is a creation.

All you know about the bible was created literally.
Same way with Harry Potter.

I can also write that I created you as your father.
Does it prove in real sense that I am your father? I simply created a writ that I created you.

The bible claims the creation of the earth and heavens to God without any known proof.

Otherwise, praytell, how do you know your biblical God created heaven and earth other than what's written in the bible?

Are we talking about what is written or what was created? Don't divert the analogy. We are talking about creation now. Not what is documented about creation.

The world existed, we are in it, we can hold, work in it. Hence no one doubt it. Harry Potter world is none existent, it was a movie. Or else give details of his world or what he created that we can hold or work with then this analogy can fly.

The argument here is if the earth was created, using Harry Potter, an abstraction with no substance of creation to explain reality is joke taken too far.

I hope you get this now.

hupernikao:


Harry potter nko?

Did you look up who an archeologist is?

chatinent:
Contemporary archaeologists agree that current discoveries tally with bible writings.

LordReed:
That London exists is not proof Harry Potter is a real person or that JK Rowling was documenting real history. That Jericho existed doesn't mean your magic sky daddy destroyed its walls.

The reference to Jericho should have clued you in to the point of my response so actually you are the one off point.

hupernikao:


Are we talking about what is written or what was created? Don't divert the analogy. We are talking about creation now. Not what is documented about creation.

The world existed, we are in it, we can hold, work in it. Hence no one doubt it. Harry Potter world is none existent, it was a movie. Or else give details of his world or what he created that we can hold or work with then this analogy can fly.

The argument here is if the earth was created, using Harry Potter, an abstraction with no substance of creation to explain reality is joke taken too far.

I hope you get this now.

The Bible is a written work just like Harry Potter.
You only chose to believe the Bible as real and disbelieve Harry Potter as unreal.

Myer:


The Bible is a written work just like Harry Potter.
You only chose to believe the Bible as real and disbelieve Harry Potter as unreal.

You have finally diverted the discussion.

Go back and read what I quoted. It was never about writings but creation. The world we are in. We need no writing to know this world exists. Comparing it to Harry Potter is just an excuse to discussion.

LordReed2nd:


Did you look up who an archeologist is?

chatinent:
Contemporary archaeologists agree that current discoveries tally with bible writings.

LordReed:
That London exists is not proof Harry Potter is a real person or that JK Rowling was documenting real history. That Jericho existed doesn't mean your magic sky daddy destroyed its walls.

The reference to Jericho should have clued you in to the point of my response so actually you are the one off point.

Then delete your Harry Potter first then I can start seeing to Jericho story.

hupernikao:



You have finally diverted the discussion.

Go back and read what I quoted. It was never about writings but creation. The world we are in. We need no writing to know this world exists. Comparing it to Harry Potter is just an excuse to discussion.

The world we live in existed long before man knew how to write.
Long before the Bible was canonised.

That you believe that the God of the Bible is the creator of heaven and earth is your choice even though there is no proof.

The point being that the Bible is a literary work just like Harry Potter.
While J.K Rowlings acknowledges her work to be fantasy, we know the Bible just like other religious Holy books claims to be inspired by God even though they all differ in the said inspiration.

hupernikao:


Then delete your Harry Potter first then I can start seeing to Jericho story.

LoL! How can you not see it is a direct comparison with reference to archeological findings? Have you eaten today? Bwahahahahahaha!

Rosement:

I trust Him so much and I know He will never fail me or forsake me.

How can I become an atheist? Atheists are person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God. If He answered me previously, it means He exist.

Yeah that true.

I asked because I've seen some folks doubting God just because they prayed for their sick mother and she still died.

HenryDion:


I don't know if there's a god or not. I'm agnostic untill there's enough empirical evidence to convince me otherwise.

Was the world created or not?

Myer:


The Bible is a written work just like Harry Potter.
You only chose to believe the Bible as real and disbelieve Harry Potter as unreal.

Your Physics textbooks too are written works.

GraphicsMaster1:
Was the world created or not?

We could be living inside a simulation as sentient programs without even knowing it. Perhaps the world was created, perhaps not. I don't know enough to be certain.

HenryDion:


We could be living inside a simulation as sentient programs without even knowing it. Perhaps the world was created, perhaps not. I don't know enough to be certain.

Explain the "Perhaps not"
Is it possibile your phone to will itself to existence? Is it ever possible?

HenryDion:


Saying that something came out of nothing is not absurd, cause we don't know anything, yet. If there must be a cause, you'll be plugging yourself into infinite regress. Like, what caused the first cause?

The bolded is in fact very absurd. It common sense to know that something can never come out of nothing.

Except nothingness now has a new meaning

GraphicsMaster1:
Explain the "Perhaps not"
Is it possibile your phone to will itself to existence? Is it ever possible?

If we thread this route, you'll end up regressing. If nothing can will itself to existence, how are we here? If the world was created, who created the creator and the creator's creator? Infinitum. Perhaps something can come out of nothing. We might never figure it out, but what keeps us going is being open minded.

GraphicsMaster1:
The bolded is in fact very absurd. It common sense to know that something can never come out of nothing.

Except nothingness now has a new meaning

What is nothing? How do you comprehend nothingness? Does it have mass, space? Define nothing, and I'll tell you how possible it is for something to emerge from it.

GraphicsMaster1:
Your Physics textbooks too are written works.

But Physics is science. An observation of how nature works. And how to simulate nature to make inventions.

The bible on the contrary is an alleged historical account of a said Jewish messiah that would save the whole world

The bible is just like our traditional myths and legends.

1. Do you believe there was a Sango who actually spat fire from his mouth and controlled thunder?

2. Do you believe there was actually an Amadioha who actually controlled thunder?

3. Do you believe that the whole world was created when Eledumare gave Orisanla a hen and sand which the hen scratched and spread to form the earth?

4. Or do you believe in the more documented Greek mythology of creation with Titans and Zeus?

5. Perhaps you believe in the Buddhist or Hindus version of creation story.


The truth remains you only chose to believe biblical version of the story because they were very meticulous and made sure to spread by enforcing it along education in Ngeria.
Your parents or grand were forced to accept Christianity or forfeit the benefits of education.

So you cannot possibly place science on the same pedestal as the bible or any other religious book simply because you simply chose to believe the bible.

I do not see anything wrong is having what you have chosen to believe. My only issue is that the bible promotes monopoly by teaching that only the bible is right and anyone who doesnt accept its teaching is condemned and some times should be ostracized.

HenryDion:


What is nothing? How do you comprehend nothingness? Does it have mass, space? Define nothing, and I'll tell you how possible it is for something to emerge from it.

Now you have departed from the issue. Everyone knows what nothingness is. So it is either you can truthfully and validly prove that there is a thing which all of us can verify which brought itself from nothingness into existence or you stay silent.

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you have departed from the issue. Everyone knows what nothingness is. So it is either you can truthfully and validly prove that there is a thing which all of us can verify which brought itself from nothingness into existence or you stay silent.

Before I answer your question, do you believe in the existence of God?

HardMirror:
Happy Sunday, please why is there so much debate on God's existence?
This is a debate that has lasted thousands of years... why is it that millions of people are still unable to see something as irrefutable as God?

Too easy!
Mental sickness make some people feel suddenly so wise that they claim that nothing created everything!