The Wicked - Special Death

Hope2014:

The Wicked - Special Death

What "special" death is there?

Hope2014:
The Wicked - Special Death

Kobojunkie:
What "special" death is there?

The "special" death, is the second death, otherwise known as the eternal death. It is the final form of separation. You'll find it mentioned several times in the book of Revelation.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:


The "special" death, is the second death, otherwise known as the eternal death. It is the final form of separation. You'll find it mentioned several times in the book of Revelation.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Special death is consumed. The wicked is the same as the scorner in Proverbs

Hope2014:

Special death is consumed. The wicked is the same as the scorner in Proverbs

I don't follow... consumed by what? Why is this death "special" abeg?

Kobojunkie:
I don't follow... consumed by what? Why is this death "special" abeg?

Destruction is for transgressors and sinners but death or consumed is for Satan and his angels based on their ranks. Destruction is like a tennis ball to a house of wrath but consumed is like this whole world � of wrath from 10 - 150000. It is basically God's fury. Destruction the person can still cry and gnash teeth but consumed the person will die. Check your Bible or Google for the word consumed

Hope2014:

Destruction is for transgressors and sinners but death or consumed is for Satan and his angels based on their ranks. Destruction is like a tennis ball to a house of wrath but consumed is like this whole world � of wrath from 10 - 150000. It is basically God's fury. Destruction the person can still cry and gnash teeth but consumed the person will die. Check your Bible or Google for the word consumed

So, you are insinuating that God prepared death only for Satan and his angels whereas destruction is meant for transgressors?

Satan,and his angels will die as in cease to exist, die?

Kobojunkie:
So, you are insinuating that God prepared death only for Satan and his angels whereas destruction is meant for transgressors?

Satan,and his angels will die as in cease to exist, die?

Isaiah 1:28
“And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.”

Hope2014:
Special death is consumed. The wicked is the same as the scorner in Proverbs

Revelation 2:11
'He who has an ear, let him hear and heed what the Spirit says to the churches.
He who overcomes [the world through believing that Jesus is the Son of God]
will not be hurt by the second death (the lake of fire).’'

Revelation 20:6
'Blessed (happy, prosperous, to be admired)
and holy is the person who takes part in the first resurrection;
over these the second death [which is eternal separation from God, the lake of fire] has no power or authority,
but they will be priests of God and of Christ and they will reign with Him a thousand years.'

Revelation 20:14
'Then death and Hades [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire.
This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God].'

Kobojunkie:
I don't follow... consumed by what? Why is this death "special" abeg?

It is special, because it is a death, thats otherwise different from what the usual or normal death is

This death is special because it is about annihilation

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Hope2014:

Isaiah 1:28
“And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.”

I had to back through the passage to understand what you are even getting at and here is the Easy-to-Read digest of the verse in context.

24 Because of this, the Lord God All-Powerful, the Mighty One of Israel, says, “Look, I will get relief from my enemies. You will not cause me any more trouble.
25 People use lye to clean silver. In the same way, I will clean away all your wrongs. I will remove all the impurities from you.
26 I will bring back the kind of judges you had in the beginning. Your counselors will be like those you had long ago. Then you will be called ‘The Good and Faithful City.’”

27 God is good and does what is right, so he will rescue Zion and the people who come back to him.
28 But all the criminals and sinners will be destroyed. Those who stopped following the Lord will be removed.
29 In the future, you will be ashamed of the oak trees and special gardens[f] you chose to worship,
30 because you will be like an oak tree whose leaves are dying. You will be like a garden dying without water.
31 Powerful people will be like small, dry pieces of wood, and what they did will be like the sparks that start a fire. These people and their works will both burn up, and no one will be able to put out that fire.- Isaiah 1 vs 24 - 31

Clearly, the message concerns Israel, and no other people.

Kobojunkie:
I had to back through the passage to understand what you are even getting at and here is the Easy-to-Read digest of the verse in context.
Clearly, the message concerns Israel, and no other people.

I don't understand u ooo. God said the destruction of the transgressors and sinners... Is it only the Israelites that are transgressors and sinners, what about the Gentiles sinners will God spare them...

Hope2014:
I don't understand u ooo. God said the destruction of the transgressors and sinners... Is it only the Israelites that are transgressors and sinners, what about the Gentiles sinners will God spare them...

In His Law to the Israelites, the Constitution of the Nation of Israel aka the Law of Moses, God stipulated therein that the end that awaited the sinners/transgressors of the Law was Death .I.e. cessation upon death - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - , as it was in the beginning- Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. Foreigners(gentiles) who lived in the land among the Israelites were not included as beneficiaries in the promise, hence there end remained that decreed by God in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22.

In God's New Covenant Law which He promises to individuals, irrespective of ancestry, sinners/transgressors of the Law are condemned to Hell(eternal damnation) this according to Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46 , the same exact place prepared for Satan and His angels - the so-called second Death where the first is a ceasing in the grave whereas the Second is instead eternal damnation. .

So you see how and where my confusion comes in. Your "special Death" theory idea seems to twist the two Covenants together into one when they are meant as separate agreements.

Kobojunkie:
In His Law to the Israelites, the Constitution of the Nation of Israel aka the Law of Moses, God stipulated therein that the end that awaited the sinners/transgressors of the Law was Death .I.e. cessation upon death - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - , as it was in the beginning- Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. Foreigners(gentiles) who lived in the land among the Israelites were not included as beneficiaries in the promise, hence there end remained that decreed by God in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22.

In God's New Covenant Law which He promises to individuals, irrespective of ancestry, sinners/transgressors of the Law are condemned to Hell(eternal damnation) this according to Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46 , the same exact place prepared for Satan and His angels - the so-called second Death where the first is a ceasing in the grave whereas the Second is instead eternal damnation. .

So you see how and where my confusion comes in. Your "special Death" theory idea seems to twist the two Covenants together into one when they are meant as separate agreements.

Death is catastrophical punishment. Second death means when those not in the book of life will be thrown to different departments in the lake of fire. But Death is not destruction but consumed. Less than 10 humans will experience death, the antichrist, the false prophet and the wicked. The rest humans will be destroyed. Destruction is like three lines of judgement. Consumed is like hundreds of pages of judgement that is why God separate it destruction and consumed.

Death is not actually second death. Human beings will still live ability to cry and gnash teeth but death such people will die they will not live again.

Hope2014:

Death is catastrophical punishment. Second death means when those not in the book of life will be thrown to different departments in the lake of fire. But Death is not destruction but consumed. Less than 10 humans will experience death, the antichrist, the false prophet and the wicked. The rest humans will be destroyed. Destruction is like three lines of judgement. Consumed is like hundreds of pages of judgement that is why God separate it destruction and consumed.

You're typing cobblers. What f does 'But Death is not destruction but consumed' mean

Consume, simply means, completely destroy, while destruction, means causing irreparable damage to the extent the thing ceases to exist

Whatever fire consumes, fire destroys. The intensity and level of combustion, that Lake of Fire has, is extremely high, so that it easily will annihilate whatever is thrown into it (i.e. will completely destroy) hence why Isaiah 1:28 states
“But rebels and sinners will be crushed and destroyed together,
And those who abandon (turn away from) the LORD will be consumed (perish).”

Hope2014:
Death is not actually second death. Human beings will still live ability to cry and gnash teeth but death such people will die they will not live again.

No being(s), aside God, is immortal
God is not a sadist who gets kick from listening or hearing human beings kept alive crying and gnashing teeth
God does not enjoy pains or suffering of others. Stop all these your heretical ill-informed posting.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
You're typing cobblers. What f does 'But Death is not destruction but consumed' mean

Consume, simply means, completely destroy, while destruction, means causing irreparable damage to the extent the thing ceases to exist

Whatever fire consumes, fire destroys. The intensity and level of combustion, that Lake of Fire has, is extremely high, so that it easily will annihilate whatever is thrown into it (i.e. will completely destroy) hence why Isaiah 1:28 states
“But rebels and sinners will be crushed and destroyed together,
And those who abandon (turn away from) the LORD will be consumed (perish).”

No being(s), aside God, is immortal
God is not a sadist who gets kick from listening or hearing human beings kept alive crying and gnashing teeth
God does not enjoy pains or suffering of others. Stop all these your heretical ill-informed posting.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

But he creates people to be destroyed and I can prove it to you from the scriptures but please use KJV

NNTR:
You're typing cobblers. What f does 'But Death is not destruction but consumed' mean

Consume, simply means, completely destroy, while destruction, means causing irreparable damage to the extent the thing ceases to exist

Whatever fire consumes, fire destroys. The intensity and level of combustion, that Lake of Fire has, is extremely high, so that it easily will annihilate whatever is thrown into it (i.e. will completely destroy) hence why Isaiah 1:28 states
“But rebels and sinners will be crushed and destroyed together,
And those who abandon (turn away from) the LORD will be consumed (perish).”

No being(s), aside God, is immortal
God is not a sadist who gets kick from listening or hearing human beings kept alive crying and gnashing teeth
God does not enjoy pains or suffering of others. Stop all these your heretical ill-informed posting.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Why r u no more responding

Death is the direct opposite of Life so when a creature dies it means it has returned to non-existence which is it's condition before creation.
So first death is that which affects all humans and creatures whether you're good or evil so far you're Adam's descendants you must die {Romans 5:12} but the second death will only affect evildoers and things God never planned in the beginning like death and graveyard! Revelations 20:14

So DEATH is DEATH no creature lives after that Satan only lied to deceive Eve {Genesis 3:4} when people die they completely cease to exist {Genesis 2:17 compare to 3:19} and the energy sustaining our breath returns to God! Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 12:7

NNTR:
You're typing cobblers. What f does 'But Death is not destruction but consumed' mean

Consume, simply means, completely destroy, while destruction, means causing irreparable damage to the extent the thing ceases to exist

Whatever fire consumes, fire destroys. The intensity and level of combustion, that Lake of Fire has, is extremely high, so that it easily will annihilate whatever is thrown into it (i.e. will completely destroy) hence why Isaiah 1:28 states
“But rebels and sinners will be crushed and destroyed together,
And those who abandon (turn away from) the LORD will be consumed (perish).”

No being(s), aside God, is immortal
God is not a sadist who gets kick from listening or hearing human beings kept alive crying and gnashing teeth
God does not enjoy pains or suffering of others. Stop all these your heretical ill-informed posting.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

God create people to be destroyed based on the evil their fathers did.

Hope2014:

God create people to be destroyed based on the evil their fathers did.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, there's a slight mistake in this.
God only created a pair and empowered them to procreate through birth so God didn't intend creating children for evildoers with the prospect of destroying them, NO! The power has been given to man to continue with procreation.
According to the Bible God doesn't know any of us because we are products of the evildoers (Adam and Eve) that's why Jesus looked at us as walking corpse {Matt 8:22} He (God) out of His infinite mercy only decided to rescue obedient ones produced by those evildoers that's why He sent out His angels throughout the earth to search for whoever is willing to do good {2Chronicles 16:9} so that such a person may be remembered during the resurrection of the dead.
So even if such ones don't know God's righteous standard they will be part of those resurrected as worthy but unrighteous ones {Act 24:15} because they never knew God's righteousness they only lived by conscience! Romans 2:15

But as for all descendants of Adam who totally rendered their conscience dead they will be forgotten after their death in their graves forever! Psalms 9:17

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, there's a slight mistake in this.
God only created a pair and empowered them to procreate through birth so God didn't intend creating children for evildoers with the prospect of destroying them, NO! The power has been given to man to continue with procreation.
According to the Bible God doesn't know any of us because we are products of the evildoers (Adam and Eve) that's why Jesus looked at us as walking corpse {Matt 8:22} He (God) out of His infinite mercy only decided to rescue obedient ones produced by those evildoers that's why He sent out His angels throughout the earth to search for whoever is willing to do good {2Chronicles 16:9} so that such a person may be remembered during the resurrection of the dead.
So even if such ones don't know God's righteous standard they will be part of those resurrected as worthy but unrighteous ones {Act 24:15} because they never knew God's righteousness they only lived by conscience! Romans 2:15

But as for all descendants of Adam who totally rendered their conscience dead they will be forgotten after their death in their graves forever! Psalms 9:17

Boss there is hell and lake of fire.... Nobody cease to exist. Either the person enjoys in hundred trillion times in heaven or suffers infinite hot � suffering in hell

Hope2014:

Boss there is hell and lake of fire.... Nobody cease to exist. Either the person enjoys in hundred trillion times in heaven or suffers infinite hot � suffering in hell

That's what the council of Nicae concluded after mixing what they read in the Bible with Babylonian Talmud, but the Hebrew word (Sheol) translated Hell simply means GRAVE!

And the LAKE OF FIRE symbolises annihilation completely, that's why God's word said:

And DEATH and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelations 20:14

DEATH means state of inactivity.
HELL means Grave where dead people are kept.
LAKE OF FIRE means total destruction.

That's why God promised to swallow up DEATH forever {Isaiah 25:8} of course lake of fire is not inside God's stomach nah!

MaxInDHouse:


That's what the council of Nicae concluded after mixing what they read in the Bible with Babylonian Talmud, but the Hebrew word (Sheol) translated Hell simply means GRAVE!

And the LAKE OF FIRE symbolises annihilation completely, that's why God's word said:

And DEATH and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelations 20:14

DEATH means state of inactivity.
HELL means Grave where dead people are kept.
LAKE OF FIRE means total destruction.

That's why God promised to swallow up DEATH forever {Isaiah 25:8} of course lake of fire is not inside God's stomach nah!

Boss u crack me up....

Hope2014:

Boss u crack me up....

My friend, stop calling me "Boss" i'm just your fellow believer in Christ, the only difference between you and i is how connected we are to the source of divine wisdom.

Do you know Jesus has representatives in our time whom he is using to direct the affairs of his true disciples globally?

They're the ones teaching millions like me to become fully competent and completely equipped Bible scholars, and we continue to gather disciples for our king baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all the things our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus commanded us! Matthew 28:18-20

The Bible is a book that has this spirit {Hebrews 4:12} which helps us to remember everything that has to do with God's Kingdom message {John 14:26-27} so if you're with us this spirit will continue to direct you to the verses having to do with what you're discussing {Luke 12:11-12} so even when someone just wake you up from sleep and ask you a thought provoking question regarding the GOOD NEWS God's Holy Spirit will direct you to what you should quote from the scriptures and teach you how to expatiate on the verse! John 16:13

Please stop calling me "BOSS" for i'm just a fellow slave of Christ Jesus my Lord! Luke 17:10

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Hope2014:
1. Death is catastrophical punishment.

2. Second death means when those not in the book of life will be thrown to different departments in the lake of fire.

3. But Death is not destruction but consumed. Less than 10 humans will experience death, the antichrist, the false prophet and the wicked. The rest humans will be destroyed. Destruction is like three lines of judgement. Consumed is like hundreds of pages of judgement that is why God separate it destruction and consumed.

1. How is death - from dust you were made and to dust you shall return - catastrophically?

2. Those not in the book of (Eternal) Life would be the sinners/transgressors of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, those who did not earn eternal Life to begin with, and stated in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, right?

This since all those of the New Covenant , Jesus Christ, have Eternal Life gifted them right from the gate.

3. Where in scripture do you get these ideas from?

Hope2014:
Death is not actually second death. Human beings will still live ability to cry and gnash teeth but death such people will die they will not live again.

According to God who instituted Death in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22, death is a total destruction, a cessation of existence "from dust you were made and to dust you shall return". That is God's definition of Death from the beginning or we can call it the first Death

The second Death theory comes in when John the apostles attempts to also define Eternal damnation a form of Death, calling it the Second Death, in his book of Revelations. It is in connection with this second Death aka Eternal Damnation that Jesus Christ explained to those of the Kingdom of God that there will be gnashing of teeth, pain etc. , - Matthew 25. One more thing to note about this death is that if takes place inside of the Kingdom of God which is ruled over by Jesus Christ, so individuals those who are born-again aka believe and gained access into the Kingdom of God can experience this Death.

Hope2014:

But he creates people to be destroyed and I can prove it to you from the scriptures but please use KJV

If your ideas are limited to just one translation doesn't that already tell you they are born of lies and not the Truth of God?

Hope2014:

God create people to be destroyed based on the evil their fathers did.

What?

Hope2014:

Boss there is hell and lake of fire.... Nobody cease to exist. Either the person enjoys in hundred trillion times in heaven or suffers infinite hot � suffering in hell

God cursed all Unbelievers, and the sinners/transgressors of His Old Covenant Law with the First Death which dictates they cease to exist when they die - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 and Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. .

When God decreed in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 36 & Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20 that the soul that sins must die, God meant Death that is perishing in the grave aka cessation in existence.

Eternal Damnation(Hell) or the Lake of fire only applies to those who are of the Kingdom of God .I.e those who believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ told you this since He is the one who brought the Kingdom of God(Heaven and Hell(eternal damnation)) into the story.

Kobojunkie:
If your ideas are limited to just one translation doesn't that already tell you they are born of lies and not the Truth of God?

Now God created two children and from the womb blessed Jacob and cursed Esau. He even said in Malachi he will have indignation against Esau or Edom forever and ever. Look at this. Why? God has preference before creating people. He creates most to be destroyed and few to be saved. You said God does not have pleasure in people suffering. I can't categorically say yes or no. But one thing I know God the Father and God the Son are extremely meek. So God will surely shed tears like tap when destroying people or sending them to hell. But if we look deeper, Satan gets to take all the blame with his workers of iniquity but then why does God still choose few to be saved since we all know it is not by works but by election and predestination. So many will come to this earth specifically to be destroyed nothing more nothing less.

Hope2014:
1. Now God created two children and from the womb blessed Jacob and cursed Esau. He even said in Malachi he will have indignation against Esau or Edom forever and ever. Look at this. Why? God has preference before creating people. He creates most to be destroyed and few to be saved.

2. You said God does not have pleasure in people suffering. I can't categorically say yes or no. But one thing I know God the Father and God the Son are extremely meek. So God will surely shed tears like tap when destroying people or sending them to hell.

3. But if we look deeper, Satan gets to take all the blame with his workers of iniquity but then why does God still choose few to be saved since we all know it is not by works but by election and predestination.

4. So many will come to this earth specifically to be destroyed nothing more nothing less.

1. You need to get yourself a Bible in a language you can more clearly comprehend abeg.

1 This is a message from the Lord to Israel. God used Malachi to tell this message to the people.

2 The Lord said, “I love you people.”

But you said, “What shows you love us?”

The Lord said, “Esau was Jacob’s brother, but I chose Jacob.
3 And I did not accept Esau. I destroyed his hill country. His country was destroyed, and now only wild dogs live there.”

4 The people of Edom might say, “We were destroyed, but we will go back and rebuild our cities.”

But the Lord All-Powerful says, “If they rebuild their cities, I will destroy them again.” That is why people say Edom is an evil country—a nation the Lord hates forever.

5 You people saw these things, and you said, “The Lord is great, even outside of Israel!” - Malachi 1 vs 1 - 5

Note how, again, your claims are removed from what is in fact written in Malachi 1 when the text is considered in context?

2. Where does this your idea that God is meek and will shed tears for those in Hell come from abeg?

3. Satan takes all the blame? Where does this idea of yours come from - what part of scripture did you pull this one from?

And your claim of election and predestination, from where again?

4. Even Edom was not created for destruction. As the passage tells you, it is the Nation that God is against - not Edom, the individual- as He instead chose to make a Nation of Jacob instead. That is what He tries to get you to see even in Malachi 1.

NNTR:
You're typing cobblers. What f does 'But Death is not destruction but consumed' mean

Consume, simply means, completely destroy, while destruction, means causing irreparable damage to the extent the thing ceases to exist

Whatever fire consumes, fire destroys. The intensity and level of combustion, that Lake of Fire has, is extremely high, so that it easily will annihilate whatever is thrown into it (i.e. will completely destroy) hence why Isaiah 1:28 states
“But rebels and sinners will be crushed and destroyed together,
And those who abandon (turn away from) the LORD will be consumed (perish).”

No being(s), aside God, is immortal
God is not a sadist who gets kick from listening or hearing human beings kept alive crying and gnashing teeth
God does not enjoy pains or suffering of others. Stop all these your heretical ill-informed posting.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Man is immortal. Nobody ever dies(cease to exist). The unsaved will burn in hell forever. This is why evangelism must be a priority to every Christian.