talk2hb1:

1. A Man Went to Drink and Drank To Stupor, it was his son at that got intoxicated. Does this sound reasonable to you?
Adam and Eve ate the fruit only for their descendant to bear the consequences of their action
Why can't he just punish the two for their misdeed, instead of transferring the punishment on the children
2. and later requesting for one of his holy son to wipe the sin of those who has nothing to the sin of some other people.

1. Adam and eve was punished for their sin and we keep getting punishment from God when we keep sinning "romans 6".

2. If he had not sent his son, probably he would have wipe out this world. But to show his infinite and eternal love to us
"john 3:16-17" Jesus is the only option for us. If we didn't sin evil won't befall us, that is why you see evangelist around keeping the commandment and fufilling the promise in "mark 16:15-18" my brother you have no excuse. Repent.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never said He came to die for your sins though. The one's whose sins He technically died for is that of the Jews whom He came to redeem from the Old Covenant Law of Moses so they could port over to God's New Covenant Law, and God's New agreement which He brought to mankind.

Of your own sins in Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ instead said it is by knowing the Truth through continuous submission and obedience of His teachings and commandments , that you can then be set free from slavery to Sin - John 8 vs 31 - 35.

Then why all the preaching that accept Jesus as your personal saviour. He died on the Calvary to attorne our sin

talk2hb1:

If That god you are talking about is that powerful and majestic, can't he just forgive everyone instead of his sons blood sacrifice.
Importantly, their is nowhere in the Bible where Jesus ever said he was sent to wash away sin.

God is powerful and majestic yes, but he is just and holy.
Because he is Holy he does not tolerate sin and MUST judge sin.
Saying God should forgive without Judging sin is like saying God should stop being holy.

talk2hb1:

Then why all the preaching that accept Jesus as your personal saviour. He died on the Calvary to attorne our sin

Don't get confused, Jesus said he came to call sinners "matthew 9:13"

The reason for that preaching is in "matthew 28:19-20 mark 16:16-18" and to tell you the purpose of Jesus blood which is the remission of men sins, renewal and establishment of God's new law and commandment through Jesus christ.

talk2hb1:

If he is so majestic as portrayed, her should just forgive every sinner instead of requesting for human blood

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"Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory" - Romans 9:19-23

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." - Isaiah 55:8-9

Dtruthspeaker:


The Lord Jesus is so high that He can not stoop to level of insulting His creations.

I did not even insult him, I cursed him in the Name of The Good Good Lord, king of heaven and earth, Whom he insulted.

All because God is too too Good and very long suffering.

I am not good nor long suffering and therefore if I see an evil, I must respond against it and invite the Word of The Lord to be levied upon him.

Cursed is he who insults the Name of The Lord. He shall never have light wherever he goes nor shall he find any good in this life. And o, The Lord shall avenge Himself upon his soul.

jesus or god are not blind and they saw what he said. D truth is that we humans step on gods toes differently d only difference is dat people judge others 4 sinning differently.

talk2hb1:

Then why all the preaching that accept Jesus as your personal saviour. He died on the Calvary to attorne our sin

Jesus Christ is the New Covenant agreement/contract between God and individuals ( not groups, peoples of nations) - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30. - so He is the savior and Redeemer here to redeem us from God's curse and judgement in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22

Those preaching that he died for theirs sins are those who don't really know Him well.

teebagy:
he created humans and animals so he make the rules. Ur brain or our human brain is too small to understand God

So God is unable to make us understand? I understand God. Just not the Christian form of Him.

RoyalDiadems:


And the Muslim god can't save but only kill. "Kill the infidels." He said. So Mohammed killed and his followers too are bloody murdered for a god that cannot save.

But your God can't kill! In fact, he never sent Moses to kill people. Why did Saul lose favor? I think your God that seek vengeance from the first generation to many generations is more violent!

You guys hypocrisy are well known! Must you tell us brazenly that your God has repented from the Old testament killing despite saying He doesn't change his ways?

teebagy:
jesus or god are not blind and they saw what he said. D truth is that we humans step on gods toes differently d only difference is dat people judge others 4 sinning differently.

I understand what you have in mind but we know the difference between a careless act and a willfully executed act done out of great hatred, prejudice, vengeance and spite.

AntiChristian:


But your God can't kill! In fact, he never sent Moses to kill people. Why did Saul lose favor? I think your God that seek vengeance from the first generation to many generations is more violent!

You guys hypocrisy are well known! Must you tell us brazenly that your God has repented from the Old testament killing despite saying He doesn't change his ways?

Hahaha. Gibberish as usual. God is judge. I keep telling you this. Unrepentant sinners would suffer in the hands of a punitive judge. Okay? That isn't vengeance. Even when Israel sinned, the nation was not spared. David, Saul and several of His beloved who sinned were judged accordingly. A just God. No partiality.

That's unlike your fake God that cannot throw people to hell, but instead commands his followers to help him kill his enemies. That's all he can do. Nothing more!

AntiChristian:


But your God can't kill! In fact, he never sent Moses to kill people. Why did Saul lose favor? I think your God that seek vengeance from the first generation to many generations is more violent!

You guys hypocrisy are well known! Must you tell us brazenly that your God has repented from the Old testament killing despite saying He doesn't change his ways?

Are those stories not in your quran?
But our difference is he sent his son to redeem us from the curse and judgement and also remit our sins. But you're still living in the old law and that's why we have more terrorists among you, your hypocrisy won't make you think this. You better repent and turn from your evil ways
"john 14:6-7"

Obafavour:

Are those stories not in your quran?

Stories of Moses sent to kill people and reserve the virgins. Even virgins was shared for God in Numbers 31:40. Where are these in the Qu'ran?

But our difference is he sent his son to redeem us from the curse and judgement and also remit our sins. But you're still living in the old law and that's why we have more terrorists among you, your hypocrisy won't make you think this. You better repent and turn from your evil ways
"john 14:6-7"

Our God need no son or heir to function.
He forgives sins Himself and needs no helper in that regards. Our God does not have old and new laws where the new law involves having Him send His son to die!

There are Christians who are terrorists! Infact, there will be no terrorists without Christianity!

talk2hb1:

I am not asking questions, I am affirming how your god in his supremacy can't just forgive all humanity and still requesting for blood of his son to forgive humans.
Those that sound reasonable to you?
Don't you consider that as scam?

That is what forgiveness means which is He has already given you before hand "fore-giveness".

Therefore what has God given in advance?

The Laws of Restoration, which is The Laws of Sin, Trespass, Atonement, Uncleanness Offerings etc.

RoyalDiadems:


Hahaha. Gibberish as usual. God is judge. I keep telling you this. Unrepentant sinners would suffer in the hands of a punitive judge. Okay? That isn't vengeance. Even when Israel sinned, the nation was not spared. David, Saul and several of His beloved who sinned were judged accordingly. A just God. No partiality.

What was Saul's sin? What was Oman's sin? Why didn't God kill Judah too when he slept with his daughter in law? No partiality indeed!

That's unlike your fake God that cannot throw people to hell, but instead commands his followers to help him kill his enemies. That's all he can do. Nothing more!

Shut up you liar! Your God didn't revenge himself but sent people to kill.

AntiChristian:
Stories of Moses sent to kill people and reserve the virgins. Even virgins was shared for God in Numbers 31:40. Where are these in the Qu'ran

Correction! Numbers 31:14 shows you that Moses raised an Objection to their presence! No woman was to be alive not to talk of being taken as God commanded.

talk2hb1:
I have been Thinking and Thinking, is Christian Gods Wicked by letting them kill his own son just because he wants human blood before he can forgive sins, or he is powerless and hungry for blood to forgive sins?

You do not know the consequence of sin and the Justice of God.
Let me explain it to you this way, by nature, God can never be with a sinner. Sin is his kryptonite stone. A sinners would be lost and the only way to pay for sin is with life.
But because of his love for us, he gave his son. That is the highest love not wickness.
Again he gave Jesus Christ the power of resurrection and the power over death. Hence all mankind would live again. This is both power and love

AntiChristian:
Stories of Moses sent to kill people and reserve the virgins. Even virgins was shared for God in Numbers 31:40. Where are these in the Qu'ran?



Our God need no son or heir to function.
He forgives sins Himself and needs no helper in that regards. Our God does not have old and new laws where the new law involves having Him send His son to die!

There are Christians who are terrorists! Infact, there will be no terrorists without Christianity!

But your quran gave you lies that the isrealites never claim.

The old law is the law he gave to moses but was renewed through Jesus "mat 22:36-40", but you people live with those old laws and that's why you are full of terrorism.

No islam, no terrorism anywhere u people are, surely there will be terrorism.

AntiChristian:
Stories of Moses sent to kill people and reserve the virgins. Even virgins was shared for God in Numbers 31:40. Where are these in the Qu'ran?

Dtruthspeaker:

Correction! Numbers 31:14 shows you that Moses raised an Objection to their presence! No woman was to be alive not to talk of being taken as God commanded.

Dtruthspeaker, “Moses sent to kill people and reserve virgins” already covers the murder of the women, which you obviously approve of. Indeed, no woman, man, or child was left alive as God commanded.

Here’s your angry Moses, the forerunner of Muhammad.

14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army - the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds - who returned from the battle.

Here’s the continuation of the genocide and kidnapping of virgins.

17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

@Sonmvayina once claimed verse 18 means “to take wisdom”. Lol, I can’t imagine been so subservient to a culture and people that their atrocities are summarily waved off and excused.

Obafavour:


The old law is the law he gave to moses but was renewed through Jesus "mat 22:36-40", but you people live with those old laws and that's why you are full of terrorism.

If the Muslims are full of terrorism because they follow Moses and the laws God have him, what does that make Moses and God?

KnownUnknown:


If the Muslims are full of terrorism because they follow Moses and the laws God have him, what does that make Moses and God?

Moses was sent to avenge, but they (islam terrorists) kill in the name of blasphemy, hatred against western education and many more.
That was not the same reason israelites wage war, they do that to revenge or take back their possession. But all these Jesus had come to renew "matthew 22:36:40"

Obafavour:


Moses was sent to avenge, but they (islam terrorists) kill in the name of blasphemy, hatred against western education and many more.
That was not the same reason israelites wage war, they do that to revenge or take back their possession.

Firstly, just because they call it theirs doesn’t make it theirs. Hence, their bloodcurdling savagery.

Secondly, murder and genocide aren’t excused just because Moses “was sent to avenge”.

Thirdly, what possession of theirs were the Israelite terrorists trying to repossess through genocide as written in Numbers 31?

KnownUnknown:


If the Muslims are full of terrorism because they follow Moses and the laws God have him, what does that make Moses and God?

Those old laws never support terrorism.
What i mean by they follow the old law is, the hot judgement they give to sinners then they still practice it in the sharia law but all this has been renewed in "matthew 22:36-40" and the case of the woman who committed adultery and was brought to Jesus, the judgement Jesus did there was just but under their sharia law it has hot consequences you'll face and the terrorist use all those laws as their back up in killing fellow humans but Jesus had thought us to love.
There are differences.

KnownUnknown:


Firstly, just because they call it theirs doesn’t make it theirs. Hence, their bloodcurdling savagery.

Secondly, murder and genocide aren’t excused just because Moses “was sent to avenge”.

2. Thirdly, what possession of theirs were the Israelite terrorists trying to repossess through genocide as written in Numbers 31?

2. It's not only numbers 31 israelites warred.
Their quran also told them that Allah told musa to go and repossess canaan which is the land of their father "Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" and to wage war at eygpt but they rebell at God and they wonder in the wilderness for forty years.

1. Your hypocrisy judgement won't make you hear from both side before judging. Isrealites war to defend, repossess and avenge they never terrorize. What would you say about the babylonians that took isrealites to captive?
A hypocrite atheist like you doesn't deserve judging religious matter.
What's your business with the matter on ground?

Obafavour:

Those old laws never support terrorism.
What i mean by they follow the old law is, the hot judgement they give to sinners then they still practice it in the sharia law but all this has been renewed in "matthew 22:36-40" and the case of the woman who committed adultery and was brought to Jesus, the judgement Jesus did there was just but under their sharia law it has hot consequences you'll face and the terrorist use all those laws as their back up in killing fellow humans but Jesus had thought us to love.
There are differences.

This is not about Jesus or whatever he renewed. This is about your Moses and God and their affinity for violence which you accuse Islam of. Everything you accuse Muslims of are actions that are recorded in your Bible. Everything you accuse Muslims of has also been done by the Israelites in your biblical stories and by Christians has they spread the so called gospel around the world.

KnownUnknown:

Dtruthspeaker, which you obviously approve of. ..

Numbers 25. After remember Samson and Solomon and Joseph and Rahab and see how destructive a woman is and can be.

KnownUnknown:


This is not about Jesus or whatever he renewed. This is about your Moses and God and their affinity for violence which you accuse Islam of. Everything you accuse Muslims of are actions that are recorded in your Bible. Everything you accuse Muslims of has also been done by the Israelites in your biblical stories and by Christians has they spread the so called gospel around the world.

Isrealites never terrorize, they repossess, avenge and defend. But they (islam terrorists) kill to spread their religion, kill in the name of blasphemy, hatred against western education and so on.

There are difference blind atheists. Maybe until one of your relative is being murder for religion propagation before you understand my point.

Obafavour:

2. It's not only numbers 31 israelites warred.
Their quran also told them that Allah told musa to go and repossess canaan which is the land of their father "Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" and to wage war at eygpt but they rebell at God and they wonder in the wilderness for forty years.

So, what point am I supposed to take from this? That your god is so bloodthirsty that he made them wander in a wilderness because rebeled and didn’t shed more blood in Egypt?

Obafavour:

1. Your hypocrisy judgement won't make you hear from both side before judging. Isrealites war to defend, repossess and avenge they never terrorize. What would you say about the babylonians that took isrealites to captive?

No amigo, the hypocrisy is been displayed by you. You excuse the terrorism of the Israelites but want to accuse Muslims of the same actions. I hope the Babylonians fared better than the 13 year old girl whose father was run through by a spear, mother raped and killed, and baby brother’s head bashed against a rock. At least Moses and God let one of the soldiers keep her for himself. Thank God!!!!

Obafavour:

A hypocrite atheist like you doesn't deserve judging religious matter.
What's your business with the matter on ground?

An atheist doesn’t believe in god. I’m not an atheist because there is no ambiguity in my stance: god is nonsense. An imaginary friend for adults. My moral code is obviously more enlightened than yours because their is no excuse for genocide. My moral code doesn’t depend on some god therefore it is automatically more humane because god cannot be used as justification for madness.

Obafavour:

Isrealites never terrorize, they repossess, avenge and defend.

Just like the Nazis never terrorized, they repossessed living space, avenged the humiliation of WW1, and defended their people.

Obafavour:

But they (islam terrorists) kill to spread their religion, kill in the name of blasphemy, hatred against western education and so on.

Just like the Israelites killed to steal and the counterparts of the Muslims called christians raped, pillaged, and destroyed to spread their religion.

Obafavour:

There are difference blind atheists. Maybe until one of your relative is being murder for religion propagation before you understand my point.

There are no differences and you have no point. I’m not defending Muslims but pointing out your hypocrisy and the fact that all Abrahamic religions are prone to violence based on the delusion that their god permits it. So you cannot criticize the Muslims while your faith is littered with the same depravity. But if you judge them for “terrorism”, you better judge your favorite people too.

Dtruthspeaker:


Numbers 25. After remember Samson and Solomon and Joseph and Rahab and see how destructive a woman is and can be.

Ahhhhhhhh, genocide and rape are now justified. How about me and you go on a crusade?
We arm ourselves with Numbers 25 and stories of Samson, Solomon, Joseph, and Rahab’s dealings with women. Do we get to keep the female virgins?

KnownUnknown:

1. Just like the Nazis never terrorized, they repossessed living space, avenged the humiliation of WW1, and defended their people.
2. Just like the Israelites killed to steal and the counterparts of the Muslims called christians raped, pillaged, and destroyed to spread their religion.
3. There are no differences and you have no point. I’m not defending Muslims but pointing out your hypocrisy and the fact that all Abrahamic religions are prone to violence based on the delusion that their god permits it. So you cannot criticize the Muslims while your faith is littered with the same depravity.

1. And do they get permission from God before doing that?
2. Religions are mostly based on wars. But what i'm saying is that Jesus had come to remit those things we don't need war again but peace.
3. There are difference because christian as a religion not as a nation don't believe in massacre but they do.

@knownunknown
Our biblical God never told moses to wage war at egypt it was their quran who said it reread what i posted.
Isrealites warred to defend, repossess and avenge.
Crusaders warred because of turkey threat against them, that war can't be judged because they both (christians and muslims) waged war against each other.
But christians now preach peace and love but they continue in killing in the name of blasphemy and religion propagation. Once again there are difference. I refer you to romans 1:28-32.
@knownunknown