RoyalDiadems:


1. You guys are really confused.

God was instructing Israel about what to do to the nations they conquered. It's a directive for Israel as a nation at that particular moment. It was not a general directive for Israel to maintain. Neither is it a directive for Christianity.

The instruction came for all of those nations to be destroyed totally without leaving anyone. God already told Abraham in Genesis 15:16 that for the iniquities of those nations He's going to replace them with Abraham's children.

In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”

Generally, when a nation wars against another nation and conquers, the victorious nation would would either kill everyone or enslave them. In most cases, women are either killed or reserved as bounties of war. God gave the Israelites a rule to keep the virgins for the Levites whose work was to serve continually in the Tabernacle. The virgins were therefore dedicated to the service of God with the Levites.

The instruction was for all those idolatrous nations to be destroyed (including the women) so that the women, through marriage would not turn their hearts to follow idols. A sin which Solomon fell into in abstract disobedience to the God of Israel.

They were from nations about which the LORD had told the Israelites, “You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods.” Nevertheless, Solomon held fast to them in love."
1Kings 11:2.

Since there were works requiring the services of women in the Tabernacle, the virgins were reserved for the Levites to assist in such works. These virgins being young would not be strong enough to influence their men into idol worship. Hence, the instruction. However, there are no indications that the Levites were directed to marry those virgins. But, if they were married by the Levites, it's because they are too young and naive to influence the Levites into serving idols. The mature ones were killed in order to avoid the trap that Solomon eventually fell into. This was a directive to Israel during war with those erring nations. Not a general directive for Israelites to maintain. It does not concern Christianity. Every nation has its own war rules. For Israel at that moment, that was the commandment.

2. Why was Saul killed?

Saul reaped what he sowed. He incurred a generational curse upon himself when he killed all the innocent priests of Nob. Read the full account from 1Samuel 22-24.

Excerpts:
Then the king ordered the guards at his side: “Turn and kill the priests of the Lord, because they too have sided with David. They knew he was fleeing, yet they did not tell me.”

That day he killed eighty-five men who wore the linen ephod. He also put to the sword Nob, the town of the priests, with its men and women, its children and infants, and its cattle, donkeys and sheep."

Saul annihilated the entire town of the priests in his murdeous escapades. God therefore sentenced him to die in battle. His sons shared in the punishment because it was a generational sin. Just like David's killing of Uriah (He had a sentence that the sword would not depart from his house). David's life was spared because he pleaded for forgiveness. Infact, he dedicated the whole of Psalm 51 to plead for his sins. Saul on the other hand never asked for forgiveness.

Generational sins are still active today in many families. Most of the sufferings people suffer are as a result of the sins of their ancestors. Broken marriages. Terminal diseases, dissapointments, barrenness, etc.
I'm talking of situations in which everyone in a family experience the same problem.

God is a generational God. If you do evil, He will punish your generation. If you do good, He will bless your generation. That's His nature. Saul's house was completely annihilated the same way he annihilated the Priests of Nob. A just and righteous God.

3. Why did God order Saul to kill animals?

Because God cursed the nation of Amalek and everything in it for an iniquity they committed. Just as in the case of Jericho, where God told the Israelites to destroy even ornaments because everything was accursed. The animals are accursed and if you carry an accursed thing into your house, you become accursed too. The demon of the curse would attach itself to you too. Hence, God instructed that the accursed animals be annihilated. Thank God for Jesus. Today no accursed thing needs to be killed because, in the name of Jesus, we break curses, satanic covenants and dislodge demons from their ancestral abodes. This blessing belongs only to the new testament saints.

Kobojunkie:
1.

2. Allah's entire movement is against the God of the Scripture.

MaxInDHouse:


If you truly want to be intelligent you shouldn't allow your condition to becloud your thinking faculty.
We are humans with a lifespan of less than 100 year but we are talking about spirit beings whose life has no expiring date so you can't be thinking from the perspective of a mortal man and using such thinking to judge how spirits should reason. Isaiah 55:8-11

So to fully understand what you're asking you need to think from both sides, God and the angels are immortal beings and we are mortals you shouldn't limit your thinking to what affects the mortals otherwise you won't see any sense in this. 1Corinthians 2:14

God and angels don't grow old, get sick, or die therefore the way they reason must surely differ from the way we do. For instance you can't expect someone living in America to reason the same way with the one living in Nigeria if both of them hasn't been to each other's place before. The bad roads, epileptic power supply, poor facilities, scarcity of food and other needs of humans will blur the sense of a Nigerian completely unless he's been traveling to America how do you convince a Nigerian who has never been there before that electricity supply may be uninterrupted for decades? Or how do you convince a 40 years old American that electricity supply can be cut off when he has never experienced such all his life?
So please don't limit your thinking to what is affecting humans try to look into what affects the immortals too that's the only way you can grasp what is happening.

talk2hb1:

We are talking of rational thinking, not some fantasy fallacies

Kobojunkie:
Who told you God wanted human blood?

Who told you God let Jesus Christ die when instead Jesus Christ Himself said He gave His life willingly in order that He may receive eternal reward for doing so?

Who told you God needs blood before He can forgive sins?

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MaxInDHouse:


Well what positive result has such rational thinking brought in any group of persons?

We're talking about what is affecting humanity that intellectuals have formed several organizations yet no organization has come up with a positive results and members of these organizations are still building destructive weapons and buying it to kill fellow members!

If you're thinking about development that has been there and gradually increasing whether people believe in God or not, but as for peaceful coexistence mankind has failed woefully.
That's what the SUPREME BEING (GOD) and lesser spirit beings (angels) can do but your rational thinking can't do anything about that!

talk2hb1:

Blocking Out Emotion how can you proof it

LordReed:
1.Those are not exclusive. My kid wants a toy AND I let her have a toy. Someone can want something and another person allow them have their wish fulfilled.

2. The book you asked us to read. From the first book to the last the theme of propitiation for sin by blood runs all through.

MaxInDHouse:


How do you prove that people can watch what is happening thousands of miles away in their living room?
Is it not by getting a TV?
So what happens to those who refuses to buy or watch TVs? Can they know what is happening like those watching it live with their eyes on the screen of the TV?

I've told you times without number that God has used his active force to gather millions of people who are humble and obedient to form a global family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4

What positive change has your rational thinking done to make people stop killing their neighbours? Can you present any group of people whose rational thinking has taken away weapons from the hands and hearts of their members?

Kobojunkie:
1. How does this makes sense to this particular situation then.

2. That isn't based on what is written in the book but instead the lie fed you by pastors and mogs instead. If you actually read the book for yourself, you would instead find that as far as propitiation is concerned, obedience is instead the key.

LordReed:
1. Jesus wanted to die and the god allowed him to die.

Au contraire, its all over the book.

John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Leviticus 5:6
And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.

Kobojunkie:
1. Death is guaranteed to all men, so what you state makes no sense. Jesus Christ had the option, like everyone else to wait until Death came for him and that is what happened. Death came for him as it does every other man.

2. Two verses pulled out-of-context amounts to "all over the book"? Come on!

LordReed:
1. LoLz. So you are saying Jesus didn't want to be crucified, he just wanted to die of old age?

2. LoLz. Put them in context if you will.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ chose to give up HIs life just as He said in order to bring His mission to earth to a close.

2. Sure! If you actually read the book for yourself, paying careful attention to the context, of course, you will instead find that as far as propitiation is concerned, obedience is instead the key.

LordReed:
1. So he did not choose to be crucified? He did not know he was going to be crucified>

2. Just show me where obedience is in any of the 2 places I quoted.

Kobojunkie:
1. You need to read the book abeg! The man severally announced the manner in which He would die to his followers alone with the fact that it is His choice to have it all end as it will in order that He may gain everlasting glory by it. Read the book for your own self.

2. Obedience is the overarching mandate of all of God's decrees. Use your search tool and you will find it is mentioned in more places than your reference of choice is.

LordReed:
LoLz. Dude you are the one twisting in the wind mate. Something written korokoro you are saying it is out of context. Jesus susposedly wanted to die on the cross and the god allowed it. The theme of blood sacrifice for sin is right there but Kobojunkie wants us to choose his own meaning instead of what we can read with our own eyes. Bwahahahahahahaha!

AntiChristian:


This your response is extremely funny! Let me keep it for future use in my post.
So your merciful, loving, forgiving God is just a ruse? Generational curses? Can't you see all these nonsense you typed?

Ah! Christianity truly blocks the brain!

Kobojunkie:
Sin by definition is disobedience or transgression of God's commandment and Law. Obedience is the only acceptable propitiation required by God. For this, over and over, even in His Old Covenant which He intended as Constitution in the Nation of Israel, He required of them their obedience from the people over sacrifice.

There are several instances in scripture where God is said to have rejected the sacrifice of the people because it was not done in obedience to Him. Surely, if blood is what He desires for sin, then the sensible thing would be for Him to take it wherever He gets it but He doesn't do that at all, why? Because Obedience is the key. Obedience is the overarching mandate in all of scripture, not blood sacrifices.

LordReed:
Oga, show me the context in the book you said I took out of context. You can't tell me to go and read then when I ask you to show me the context of what I read you are telling me stories. Show me in the passages I quoted where it says anything about obedience. You are castigating people for accepting other people's interpretations but you want me to accept yours. Bwahahahahahahaha!

Kobojunkie:
I didn't ask you to accept my response. I instead asked that you read the book for yourself with an open mind so you see what is written as it is in fact written.

It is near impossible to read through even just the books of the law of Moses and miss the Obey me theme unless one has some really serious blinders on.

LordReed:
1 read the book and showed you what I read. When I ask you to show me what you read that makes you say I took it out of context you are now telling me stories. Bwahahahahaha! Hilarious.

Kobojunkie:
Again... I didn't ask you to accept my response. I instead asked that you read the book for yourself with an open mind so you see what is written as it is in fact written.

It is near impossible to read through even just the books of the law of Moses and miss the Obey me theme unless one has some really serious blinders on.

talk2hb1:

Incoherent statement

RoyalDiadems:


Your response reeks of deep rooted ignorance. Generational curses are real. God is forgiving if you sin against Him. If you commit murder against a fellow human being, He'll get justice for that human being. God got justice for Uriah. He got justice for the priests of Nob. He got justice for the Gibeonites. You don't know God. Visit families, let them tell you Stories! Generational curses are manifest in many families today. It does not matter whether you're a Christian or not. God will judge your generation even if you, being a Muslim commits murder today. Not all sins attract generational curses but some grievous sins do, especially murder. God will get justice for the bereaved! Try God and see how your generation suffers. If you don't believe, just try it. Let's see how it goes.

AntiChristian:


Abeg keep that to yourself and Christianity. Muslims don't believe in generational sin or curses. No one carries the burden of others! Whoever sins will see it himself.

RoyalDiadems:


Whether you believe it or not. It is real. Both generational blessings and curses and are real. Very real. Infact, you only need to look around, or simply experiment. These are deep things.

Any spiritual person who reads your comment would laugh you to acorn. Man, you're ignorant o. Too ignorant of God and the world.

AntiChristian:


Allaah says (what means): {And every soul earns not [blame] except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another.} [Quran 6:164]

Na lie.

RoyalDiadems:


This quote then shows that Allah is not God, because in reality, children suffer for the sins of their parents.

I can give you innumerable accounts because, through the mighty name of Jesus, we've been privileged to set many families free. In order for such curses to break off the lives of the children, they must confess their father's sins and separate themselves from the iniquities of their parents.

I'm telling you about things we've experienced live and direct in so many spiritual warfares and deliverance activities.

When the true God speaks, His words are confirmed experientially. If the reality of this world is different from what any one says, it's simply because, that one isn't the true God.

Most of the things you argue about can simply be verified through research.

AntiChristian:

Repackaged lies! Everyone go carry his own burden! Allaah is the truth!

AntiChristian:


1. Buy brighter grammar and learn simple English! I said the Jews call Jesus a bastard. This is to prove that what Israelites claim may not be the truth!

2. Where was Jesus when there was God approved terror in the old testament? He was asleep nowhere!

3. Osama bin laden had a long history with your people.
4. You need to research on this. Bandits are not religious based. And what about IPOB, ESN, Ema powerful and co? They must also be Muslims or unserious Christians without the holy spirit like you right?