Obafavour:

1. And do they get permission from God before doing that?

I see! Permission from God justifies all.
Yes, they go permission from god to solve the Jewish problem.

Obafavour:

2. Religions are mostly based on wars. But what i'm saying is that Jesus had come to remit those things we don't need war again but peace.

I don’t know what this means.

Obafavour:

3. There are difference because christian as a religion not as a nation don't believe in massacre but they do.

Both believe in massacre. Christianity now appears benign because its murdering and looting have abated. Christians were terrorizing people at least 200 years before the birth of Muhammad and haven’t stopped since. The violence abated but it’s still an intrinsic part of Christianity.

KnownUnknown:


1. I see! Permission from God justifies all.
Yes, they go permission from god to solve the Jewish problem.

2. I don’t know what this means.

3.Both believe in massacre. Christianity now appears benign because its murdering and looting have abated. Christians were terrorizing people at least 200 years before the birth of Muhammad and haven’t stopped since. The violence abated but it’s still an intrinsic part of Christianity.

1. Once again isrealites warred to defend, repossess and avenge any proof against this claims?
2. Abrahamic religion are based on wars, but Jesus have been sent to remit those laws. And christians have been seperated from old ways for we have become new.
3. Imagine if the crusaders didn't war i wonder what would have become christianity today, cos i doubt if you truly know about the history.

KnownUnknown:


Ahhhhhhhh, genocide and rape are now justified. How about me and you go on a crusade?
We arm ourselves with Numbers 25 and stories of Samson, Solomon, Joseph, and Rahab’s dealings with women. Do we get to keep the female virgins?

First of all, do you not see that you are crazy, to think genocide when it was God Ordered knowing that God always has a right to wipe out His creations?

Secondly, there was no rape for "you shall do no evil thing even in war" which we all know is rape, is also in the Commandments,.

And thirdly God Himself was on ground therefore it was impossible for any soldier to rape. They know what would happen.

Obafavour:
@knownunknown
Our biblical God never told moses to wage war at egypt it was their quran who said it reread what i posted.

No, your biblical god waged the war himself in Egypt with his ten plagues including the murder of all the first borns.

Obafavour:

Isrealites warred to defend, repossess and avenge.

No they didn’t. They were a band of marauding terrorists. And even if they did, it doesn’t justify genocide and rape.

Obafavour:

Crusaders warred because of turkey threat against them, that war can't be judged because they both (christians and muslims) waged war against each other.

No, they warred because they were superstitious savages manipulated by greedy leaders. What did the countless Jews they murdered on their way to the “holy land” have to do with the “turkey threat”? The irony of the crusades is that Jews were murdered based on gentiles’ beliefs in their superstitions and bullshit.

Obafavour:

But christians now preach peace and love but they continue in killing in the name of blasphemy and religion propagation. Once again there are difference.
@knownunknown

Christians don’t know the meaning of peace or love. Their actions globally proves that daily.
Also, your doctrines, dogmas, and stories do not reflect love. You excusing genocide because god gave permission shows a fundamental lack of decency inherent in your Christianity.

Kobojunkie:
You have made numerous attempts at this more times than one can count here on nairaland, revealing yourself one filled with nothing but delusions each and everytime mind you.

Why in the world would I want to do any of that with you again? To what end?

This is not what I asked.

Show me how Jesus is connected to the old testament..
Stop avoiding the question

Please..

talk2hb1:

If he is so majestic as portrayed, her should just forgive every sinner instead of requesting for human blood

He never did

Christianity is rebranded paganism

@knownunknown
So isreal as a captive in egypt is what you support?

Isreal as a captive in babylons as slavery without reason is what you support?

Crusaders should have kept quiet and allow christianity to be wiped out.

I see terrorism like and "romans 1:28-32 in you supporting true genocide and killings hypocrite.

Dtruthspeaker:


First of all, do you not see that you are crazy, to think genocide when it was God Ordered knowing that God always has a right to wipe out His creations?

If events meet the criteria for genocide it is appropriately labeled as such regardless if god ordered it or not.
His creations? Even if I follow your argument that he exists and likes to order mayhem, it’s doubtful that he is the creator. Reminds me of the story of Solomon, the alleged mothers, and the baby. Do I need to tell you what the mere human “creator” of the baby did while the other “creator” was ready to destroy the baby?

Dtruthspeaker:

Secondly, there was no rape for "you shall do no evil thing even in war" which we all know is rape, is also in the Commandments,.

Of course there was no rape!! Then Midian virgins and the Chibok girls were married off properly to Israelite soldiers and Boko Haram soldiers, respectively

Dtruthspeaker:

And thirdly God Himself was on ground therefore it was impossible for any soldier to rape. They know what would happen.

Yes, Allah himself was on the ground in Chibok so rape was impossible.

AntiChristian:


So God is unable to make us understand? I understand God. Just not the Christian form of Him.

can u empty an ocean in a small hole?

Obafavour:
@knownunknown
So isreal as a captive in egypt is what you support?

Nothing I’ve said supports your statement.

Obafavour:

Isreal as a captive in babylons as slavery without reason is what you support?

Nothing I’ve said supports your statement.

Obafavour:

Crusaders should have kept quiet and allow christianity to be wiped out.

Christianity has never been in danger of been wiped out because it has done all the wiping out due to the savagery of its adherents.

Obafavour:

I see terrorism like and "romans 1:28-32 in you supporting true genocide and killings hypocrite.

“God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice.”

Maybe god needs to take them over from a depraved mind so they can do what ought to be done. After all, he gave them over to a depraved mind in the first place.

AntiChristian:

What was Saul's sin? What was Oman's sin? Why didn't God kill Judah too when he slept with his daughter in law? No partiality indeed!



Shut up you liar! Your God didn't revenge himself but sent people to kill.

Revenge Himself? Who did injustice agsinst God for which God sent someone to avenge Him? Talk of Sodom and Gomorrah or the flood of Noah. The Egyptians would tell you a full history of what Pharaoh experienced in the hands of the Almighty God.

God sent Saul to destroy Amalek only because it was a nation to nation feud. Amalek against Israel, and it is just that Israel should revenge themselves. Your reasoning is chaotic.

Judah slept with his daughter in-law unknowingly. He was completely innocent because he never knew he was sinning. Ornan committed a deliberate sin. All willful sins attract devine judgement. This is consistent all over scripture.

Your attack against the God of Israel is a good indication of your confusion. Since Mohammed said he is reintroducing the God of Israel and His prophet's in Islam, your position justifies the fact that Mohammed had lied all along. Allah is not Israel's God, and the so called prophets are not Israel's prophets even though they bear their names. Your confusion is top notch.

AntiChristian:
So God is unable to make us understand? I understand God. Just not the Christian form of Him.

You understand God yet you don't see how you make Him a liar when you pretend the God of the Jews is the same God as Allah?

Come on now... Admit that your understanding of who God is limited too.

KnownUnknown:

If events meet the criteria for genocide it is appropriately labeled as such regardless if god ordered it or not.
His creations?

Understandably, fellow blackberries will say genocide when man says "I do not want to see blackberry again".

And man has done his will, so, no issue

KnownUnknown:

Even if I follow your argument that he exists and likes to order mayhem, it’s doubtful that he is the creator...

Now you are grasping for any thing to say and losing altitude for in all this argument it is settled that He is the Creator, so stay silent if you do not have any further reasonable thing to say.

KnownUnknown:

Of course there was no rape!! Then Midian virgins and the Chibok girls were married off properly to Israelite soldiers and Boko Haram soldiers, respectively

We know The laws of the Boko Haram fighters and that is different from The Laws of the Israelite Soldiers in Numbers 25.

And neither are the 2 cases the same for Boko haram kidnapped while in the case of the Israelites it was a war and the winner takes all, so again you have nothing reasonable to say.

KnownUnknown:

Yes, Allah himself was on the ground in Chibok so rape was impossible.

Now even stooping into the level of stupid advocacy even in the face of all that we know.

It's like your quota of reasonability is exhausted and requires renewal.

Kobojunkie:
You understand God yet you don't see how you make Him a liar when you pretend the God of the Jews is the same God as Allah?

Come on now... Admit that your understanding of who God is limited too.

Who is the God of the Jews? Where did God call Himself such name? Who is Allah? Allah is the one God I Know exist. There's no other God beside Him.

AntiChristian:
Who is the God of the Jews? Where did God call Himself such name? Who is Allah? Allah is the one God I Know exist. There's no other God beside Him.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one who is known as the Holy One of Israel aka the Jews - Isaiah 60 vs 16.
Allah is the deity of the Muslims whose ideas stand on contradiction to that put forth by the one who is the Holy One of Israel.

RoyalDiadems:


Revenge Himself? Who did injustice agsinst God for which God sent someone to avenge Him? Talk of Sodom and Gomorrah or the flood of Noah. The Egyptians would tell you a full history of what Pharaoh experienced in the hands of the Almighty God.

I am talking about Numbers 31. The virgins of war story! Kill all women and save the virgins for yourself.

God sent Saul to destroy Amalek only because it was a nation to nation feud. Amalek against Israel, and it is just that Israel should revenge themselves. Your reasoning is chaotic.

why was your God angry with Saul after the war? Why do they have to kill animals? Have you ever never seen any violent God even killing animals after killing humans!

Judah slept with his daughter in-law unknowingly. He was completely innocent because he never knew he was sinning. Ornan committed a deliberate sin. All willful sins attract devine judgement. This is consistent all over scripture.

Inconsistent! What about the first born, why was he killed? You guys Sabi tell lies o! Was David killed for committing murder, adultery and covetousness? Bring another set of lies.

Your attack against the God of Israel is a good indication of your confusion. Since Mohammed said he is reintroducing the God of Israel and His prophet's in Islam, your position justifies the fact that Mohammed had lied all along. Allah is not Israel's God, and the so called prophets are not Israel's prophets even though they bear their names. Your confusion is top notch.

Israel don't believe in any God. They believe in weapons than God. Na you miracle peddler dey chant God of Israel as if you're from Israel. Our God is the the Lord of all that exists.

If you think I'm confused then you're super confused. And the the holy spirit you claim you have is most likely a lucid Lucifer.

teebagy:
can u empty an ocean in a small hole?

No i can't! But you people claim what God cannot do does not exist.

Can't He do that?

Obafavour:

But your quran gave you lies that the isrealites never claim.

where are the Israelites claiming anything? Israel claim Jesus is a bastard having no father. Is this true? No! So Israelites need not claim anything! Our Qu'ran is true.

The old law is the law he gave to moses but was renewed through Jesus "mat 22:36-40", but you people live with those old laws and that's why you are full of terrorism.

No islam, no terrorism anywhere u people are, surely there will be terrorism.

Same Jesus said he never came to abolish the law of Moses and the Prophets but to fulfill them.

And claim that "no Islam no terrorism", how is Islam involved in NATO? Russia/Ukraine war, Israel occupying Palestinian lands and killing them?

Anyways, Bush of USA is a Christian and many like him from the CIA are terrorists not associated with Islam. Infact, most are either Jews or Christians.

Kobojunkie:
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one who is known as the Holy One of Israel aka the Jews - Isaiah 60 vs 16.
Allah is the deity of the Muslims whose ideas stand on contradiction to that put forth by the one who is the Holy One of Israel.

Your Isaiah 60:16 is about drinking milk and sucking breasts...

List the contradictions!

I would say this a really nice question to ask.
So the first tin u shud understand is that God is principle(law),n He CANT do anything outside His laws. When people say there's nothing He can't do they r wrong.
Also,when u say they killed his son(u r right in a way),but it depends on how u(we) see death. Death is a massive loss from the angles humans see it but without death live doesn't have a meaning (the end always justifies the meaning). However,there is something undeniable powerful in blood u basically c it every religion blood by default is powerful.
Lastly, trying to understand God is an impossible task tho we try,y not dats how we r wired

talk2hb1:
I have been Thinking and Thinking, is Christian Gods Wicked by letting them kill his own son just because he wants human blood before he can forgive sins, or he is powerless and hungry for blood to forgive sins?

AntiChristian:
1. Your Isaiah 60:16 is about drinking milk and sucking breasts...

2. List the contradictions!

1.

14 In the past, people hurt you, but they will bow down before you. In the past, people hated you, but they will bow down at your feet. They will call you ‘The City of the Lord’s,’ ‘Zion of the Holy One of Israel.’
15 “People hated you. You were left all alone with no one passing through. But I will make you great from now on. You will be happy forever and ever.
16 Nations will give you what you need, like a child drinking milk from its mother. But you will ‘drink’ riches from kings. Then you will know that it is I, the Lord, who saves you. You will know that I, the Great God of Jacob, protect you. - Isaiah 60 vs 14 - 16

2. Allah's entire movement is against the God of the Scripture.

AntiChristian:


No i can't! But you people claim what God cannot do does not exist.

Can't He do that?

m trying to tell u dat our brain is the hole y the ocean is god. Yes god can empty an ocean in a small hole and d only thing god cannot do is sin.

AntiChristian:
I am talking about Numbers 31. The virgins of war story! Kill all women and save the virgins for yourself.

why was your God angry with Saul after the war? Why do they have to kill animals? Have you ever never seen any violent God even killing animals after killing humans!
Inconsistent! What about the first born, why was he killed? You guys Sabi tell lies o! Was David killed for committing murder, adultery and covetousness? Bring another set of lies.



Israel don't believe in any God. They believe in weapons than God. Na you miracle peddler dey chant God of Israel as if you're from Israel. Our God is the the Lord of all that exists.

If you think I'm confused then you're super confused. And the the holy spirit you claim you have is most likely a lucid Lucifer.

1. You guys are really confused.

God was instructing Israel about what to do to the nations they conquered. It's a directive for Israel as a nation at that particular moment. It was not a general directive for Israel to maintain. Neither is it a directive for Christianity.

The instruction came for all of those nations to be destroyed totally without leaving anyone. God already told Abraham in Genesis 15:16 that for the iniquities of those nations He's going to replace them with Abraham's children.

In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”

Generally, when a nation wars against another nation and conquers, the victorious nation would would either kill everyone or enslave them. In most cases, women are either killed or reserved as bounties of war. God gave the Israelites a rule to keep the virgins for the Levites whose work was to serve continually in the Tabernacle. The virgins were therefore dedicated to the service of God with the Levites.

The instruction was for all those idolatrous nations to be destroyed (including the women) so that the women, through marriage would not turn their hearts to follow idols. A sin which Solomon fell into in abstract disobedience to the God of Israel.

They were from nations about which the LORD had told the Israelites, “You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods.” Nevertheless, Solomon held fast to them in love."
1Kings 11:2.

Since there were works requiring the services of women in the Tabernacle, the virgins were reserved for the Levites to assist in such works. These virgins being young would not be strong enough to influence their men into idol worship. Hence, the instruction. However, there are no indications that the Levites were directed to marry those virgins. But, if they were married by the Levites, it's because they are too young and naive to influence the Levites into serving idols. The mature ones were killed in order to avoid the trap that Solomon eventually fell into. This was a directive to Israel during war with those erring nations. Not a general directive for Israelites to maintain. It does not concern Christianity. Every nation has its own war rules. For Israel at that moment, that was the commandment.

2. Why was Saul killed?

Saul reaped what he sowed. He incurred a generational curse upon himself when he killed all the innocent priests of Nob. Read the full account from 1Samuel 22-24.

Excerpts:
Then the king ordered the guards at his side: “Turn and kill the priests of the Lord, because they too have sided with David. They knew he was fleeing, yet they did not tell me.”

That day he killed eighty-five men who wore the linen ephod. He also put to the sword Nob, the town of the priests, with its men and women, its children and infants, and its cattle, donkeys and sheep."

Saul annihilated the entire town of the priests in his murdeous escapades. God therefore sentenced him to die in battle. His sons shared in the punishment because it was a generational sin. Just like David's killing of Uriah (He had a sentence that the sword would not depart from his house). David's life was spared because he pleaded for forgiveness. Infact, he dedicated the whole of Psalm 51 to plead for his sins. Saul on the other hand never asked for forgiveness.

Generational sins are still active today in many families. Most of the sufferings people suffer are as a result of the sins of their ancestors. Broken marriages. Terminal diseases, dissapointments, barrenness, etc.
I'm talking of situations in which everyone in a family experience the same problem.

God is a generational God. If you do evil, He will punish your generation. If you do good, He will bless your generation. That's His nature. Saul's house was completely annihilated the same way he annihilated the Priests of Nob. A just and righteous God.

3. Why did God order Saul to kill animals?

Because God cursed the nation of Amalek and everything in it for an iniquity they committed. Just as in the case of Jericho, where God told the Israelites to destroy even ornaments because everything was accursed. The animals are accursed and if you carry an accursed thing into your house, you become accursed too. The demon of the curse would attach itself to you too. Hence, God instructed that the accursed animals be annihilated. Thank God for Jesus. Today no accursed thing needs to be killed because, in the name of Jesus, we break curses, satanic covenants and dislodge demons from their ancestral abodes. This blessing belongs only to the new testament saints.

AntiChristian:
1. where re the Israelites claiming anything? Israel claim Jesus is a bastard having no father. Is this true? No! So Israelites need not claim anything! Our Qu'ran is true.
Same Jesus said he never came to abolish the law of Moses nd d Prophets but to fulfill them.
2. And claim that "no Islam no terrorism", how is Islam involved in NATO? Russia/Ukraine war, Israel occupying Palestinian lands and killing them?
Anyways, Bush of USA is a Christian and many like him from the CIA are terrorists not associated with Islam. Infact, most are either Jews or Christians.

1. The Jesus you call a bastard is the same isa you honoured, atleast Jesus existed. But your quran that gave u details abt isrealites nd it can't be found in d hebrew bible or can never be claimed by the israelites. Jesus combined d laws together in matthew 22:36-40 if u love ur neighbour u won't terrorize in d name of blasphemy.
2. Osama biladeen, boko haram, bandits nd so on re christians right?

Godszilla:
I would say this a really nice question to ask.
So the first tin u shud understand is that God is principle(law),n He CANT do anything outside His laws. When people say there's nothing He can't do they r wrong.
Also,when u say they killed his son(u r right in a way),but it depends on how u(we) see death. Death is a massive loss from the angles humans see it but without death live doesn't have a meaning (the end always justifies the meaning). However,there is something undeniable powerful in blood u basically c it every religion blood by default is powerful.
Lastly, trying to understand God is an impossible task tho we try,y not dats how we r wired

So in his supremacy he is being limited by laws and principles?
He is powerless then

Omotema:
...God is mysterious...

A pathetic cop-out employed by you Christians whenever you're hit with truths about your religion you can't respond to with any facts or rational arguments

Omotema:
you shouldn't say stuffs like this because it's considered a sin

We're not allowed to point out the evils of your God because it's a sin, eh? Are you familiar with Stockholm syndrome?

talk2hb1:

A Man Went to Drink and Drank To Stupor, it was his son at that got intoxicated. Does this sound reasonable to you?
Adam and Eve ate the fruit only for their descendant to bear the consequences of their action
Why can't he just punish the two for their misdeed, instead of transferring the punishment on the children and later requesting for one of his holy son to wipe the sin of those who has nothing to the sin of some other people.

The underlined!
Because Adam has infected all his children with the venom of the fruit so we are doomed unless an antidote is provided Adam's descendants will continue to grow old, get sick and die.

That antidote is what another perfect human must provide to buy over Adam's descendants, out of all the inheritance his father transferred to him Jesus loves humans most {Proverbs 8:31} so he must pour out his perfect human blood to become the rightful father of those that will continue living forever! John 3:16

Only through Jesus' sacrificial death that any among Adam's descendants can regain what God had in mind: living forever as youth in Paradise! Psalms 37:9-11, 29

MaxInDHouse:


The underlined!
Because Adam has infected all his children with the venom of the fruit so we are doomed unless an antidote is provided Adam's descendants will continue to grow old, get sick and die.

Don't you think that actually makes him weak or wicked?
Because that doesn't sound logical to me, children getting drunk from the drink of the father

talk2hb1:

Don't you think that actually makes him weak or wicked?
Because that doesn't sound logical to me, children getting drunk from the drink of the father

That's what makes Him the toughest as in the greatest!
Children were infected by their father so they doctor prescribed the only antidote!

MaxInDHouse:


That's what makes Him the toughest as in the greatest!
Children were infected by their father so they doctor prescribed the only antidote!

Seriously or are you joking

talk2hb1:

Seriously or are you joking

If you truly want to be intelligent you shouldn't allow your condition to becloud your thinking faculty.
We are humans with a lifespan of less than 100 year but we are talking about spirit beings whose life has no expiring date so you can't be thinking from the perspective of a mortal man and using such thinking to judge how spirits should reason. Isaiah 55:8-11

So to fully understand what you're asking you need to think from both sides, God and the angels are immortal beings and we are mortals you shouldn't limit your thinking to what affects the mortals otherwise you won't see any sense in this. 1Corinthians 2:14

God and angels don't grow old, get sick, or die therefore the way they reason must surely differ from the way we do. For instance you can't expect someone living in America to reason the same way with the one living in Nigeria if both of them hasn't been to each other's place before. The bad roads, epileptic power supply, poor facilities, scarcity of food and other needs of humans will blur the sense of a Nigerian completely unless he's been traveling to America how do you convince a Nigerian who has never been there before that electricity supply may be uninterrupted for decades? Or how do you convince a 40 years old American that electricity supply can be cut off when he has never experienced such all his life?
So please don't limit your thinking to what is affecting humans try to look into what affects the immortals too that's the only way you can grasp what is happening.

Obafavour:

1. The Jesus you call a bastard is the same isa you honoured, atleast Jesus existed. But your quran that gave u details abt isrealites nd it can't be found in d hebrew bible or can never be claimed by the israelites. Jesus combined d laws together in matthew 22:36-40 if u love ur neighbour u won't terrorize in d name of blasphemy.
2. Osama biladeen, boko haram, bandits nd so on re christians right?

Buy brighter grammar and learn simple English! I said the Jews call Jesus a bastard. This is to prove that what Israelites claim may not be the truth!

Where was Jesus when there was God approved terror in the old testament? He was asleep nowhere!

Osama bin laden had a long history with your people. You need to research on this. Bandits are not religious based. And what about IPOB, ESN, Ema powerful and co? They must also be Muslims or unserious Christians without the holy spirit like you right?