Ok ooo, will soon open my own church

@Enigma:

Okay, accepted about "many" of the USA chaps!

But yaks? Nah - this is a pride charade! This one started with good intentions (like Judas), got overtaken by greed & pride because at some point, he would have realised he was selling a lie but found the applause of men too strong to agree to turn back. That's why he hides behind everything but the kitchen sink and even from his estranged wife - he cannot defend his position so he ensures he's not challenged about it.

Must be a very miserable character under all the klieg lights

@ Nuclearboy


Is it possible to believe in God and still subject others to fallacy?. I personally agree with the previous poster to isinuate that they are atheists in disguise, however my use of the atheistic label is based on the fact of the non-belief in God alone excluding all other attributes as atheism does not require you decieve people.

" The fear of God" is a phrase I believe Christians or theistic people should take very seriously as anything otherwise is very contrary to the belief system of God. Hence the reason Hypocrisy is often attached to religious folks.  There are several articles, journals, news reports and evidences that showcases the level of poverty in Nigeria and Africa. There are several issues that brings about these facts i.e bad governance, years of war, greed and under-development but the moment you talk about God and Christainity as a way of salvation and deliverance, One would have assumed siginificant progress would have been made especially coming from Men that cliam to speak to God. God the omnipotent.

Yet this problems still prevail,except in the lives of those that propagate knowing the answers to the problems that afflict the people they speak too. The contradiction is astounding and worrisome, so the very notion that they actually belief in God yet not afraid of his wrath is very hard to fathom.

I hope you get my gist.

Joagbaje:

Jesus is coming soon .  some spend precious time in criticism While others spend time and money working for Jesus. Watch this video and be inspired.

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Dude, if Jesus if coming soon, pls tell me what a man is ammasing 30 cars for? ( If indeed it is true)
Does he want to go in a convoy to heaven?

If you really believe Jesus iscoming soon, I would expect that you try to "win" more souls for him or get prepared to meet him rather than "wasting" valuable time replying the critics

@dare2think:



I notice you refer to our pastor as "dude" - obviously, you don't see a pastor when you look his way!

And yes, I do get your gist BUT!

You asked if someone can believe in God and go the fallacy way? Yes, they can - remember Satan who STOOD in His presence! Remember the myriad of angels who went with him?

Secondly, this guy started his fellowship way back university while studying! Except you are of the opinion that he knew today from way back, there's no way he could have planned this so well, except he had demonic help! I am looking at the whole picture in coming to the conclusion that for each of us, a point comes where we have to decide whether to continue on the narrow or turn onto the wide easy way. I feel he turned to this route when he got to that crossroad

dare2think:

Dude, if Jesus if coming soon, pls tell me what a man is ammasing 30 cars for?

Do you need a prophet to tell it's not true. Does pastor chris drive cars? Where is he driving to? His studio is in church compound ,his office is in church compound , he stays in church compound ,where is he driving to? . Supermarket ? Or America ? Or from bathroom to toilet. These are childish tales. Pastor chris definitely recieves a lot of gifts , plus cars , and he gives out too? If for any reasons those cars are his, they are awaiting being given out. Because he himself doesn't drive and he has no place to go to. If a man who probably has received hundreds of cars, why will people be concerned with just 30?

Joagbaje:

Do you need a prophet to tell it's not true. Does pastor chris drive cars? Where is he driving to? His studio is in church compound ,his office is in church compound , he stays in church compound ,where is he driving to? . Supermarket ? Or America ? Or from bathroom to toilet. These are childish tales. Pastor chris definitely recieves a lot of gifts , plus cars , and he gives out too? If for any reasons those cars are his, they are awaiting being given out. Because he himself doesn't drive and he has no place to go to.

Your contradiction is amazing.

The more famous you are the less freedom you have. You tell me where he is driving to? 2cars are even too much.

To heaven??

Joagbaje:

Do you need a prophet to tell it's not true. Does pastor chris drive cars? Where is he driving to? His studio is in church compound ,his office is in church compound , he stays in church compound ,where is he driving to? . Supermarket ? Or America ? Or from bathroom to toilet. These are childish tales. Pastor chris definitely recieves a lot of gifts , plus cars , and he gives out too? If for any reasons those cars are his, they are awaiting being given out. Because he himself doesn't drive and he has no place to go to. If a man who probably has received hundreds of cars, why will people be concerned with just 30?

The beach should be it. Wo, he will pull so much crowd and healings will start taking place
see anointing!!!

Mr Joagabaje,


You clearly missed out the part where I held reservations on the quality of the story.

My assertions where based on the premise of "If it is  true".


When you quote people, please quote correctly, anything otherwise does not reflect well on your credibility.

@dare2think:

OP stated the photo came from a "worshipper" who was excited by his MOG's wealth! 2 members of CE have ON THIS THREAD stated that the photo shows "the white house" (chairman oyaks "place". Another person tried to water it down by saying the photos may have been taken from another compound!

The best rebutal says[size=18pt] its a lie but if it it true [/size] (), the cars are "seeds" waiting to be sowed (maybe into the life of girlfriends)!

Make your own conclusions!

nuclearboy:

@dare2think:

OP stated the photo came from a "worshipper" who was excited by his MOG's wealth! 2 members of CE have ON THIS THREAD stated that the photo shows "the white house" (chairman oyaks "place". Another person tried to water it down by saying the photos may have been taken from another compound!

The best rebutal says[size=18pt] its a lie but if it it true [/size] (), the cars are "seeds" waiting to be sowed (maybe into the life of girlfriends)!

Make your own conclusions!

Listen to your self

Sounds childish right?

Joagbaje:

Do you need a prophet to tell it's not true. Does pastor chris drive cars? Where is he driving to? His studio is in church compound ,his office is in church compound , he stays in church compound ,where is he driving to? . Supermarket ? Or America ? Or from bathroom to toilet. These are childish tales. Pastor chris definitely recieves a lot of gifts , plus cars , and he gives out too? If for any reasons those cars are his, they are awaiting being given out. Because he himself doesn't drive and he has no place to go to. If a man who probably has received hundreds of cars, why will people be concerned with just 30?

Let us not even bring into prospective the speculation of whether or not those cars belong to Him, THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ONE WHO INITIATED THIS DISCUSS WITH AN UNCONVINCING PIECE OF PHOTO

Rubbish, Business all in the name of God, God dey watch dem sha,

mabell:

Sounds childish right?

he sounded like a doll

Joagbaje:

He is most blessed of course.and he knows. That is scriptural truth , he had been doing things like this , and he knows the principles . He shared strange testimonies with me .

So is it safe to assume that one can be more blessed than you in a church like deeper life without having to be saturated with pastor chris-like teachings?

@image123:

Na wa O! Are you a hunter? See the way you trapped your prey! Chei!!

Image123:

So is it safe to assume that one can be more blessed than you in a church like deeper life without having to be saturated with pastor chris-like teachings?

l know this question isn't for me but l couldn't resist the temptation of saying something
No, what do you take "deeper life" for; a place where to find one "rich and influential" person would a big testimony or poor people are raised?
Anyway if you must know am aware that we have a remarkable number of "Influential" persons in "deeper life"

newmi:

l know this question isn't for me but l couldn't resist the temptation of saying something
No, what do you take "deeper life" for; a place where to find one "rich and influential" person would a big testimony or poor people are raised?
Anyway if you must know am aware that we have a remarkable number of "Influential" persons in "deeper life"

i couldn't understand what you've just been tempted to post?

...

^^^
And since when did a rogue like Oyakhilome become anointed of God?

Image123:

So is it safe to assume that one can be more blessed than you in a church like deeper life without having to be saturated with pastor chris-like teachings?

Which one is pastor chris like teachings, for a man to leave his deeper life pastor and come and give in christ embassy, dont you think he has been listening to pastor chris even if he is in deeper life? Abi him pastor reject the car? . Pastor Chris has several followers across several denominations.

^keep quiet if you don't have an answer. BTW, the post wasn't addressed to you.

^^^
Why you dey vex? You think say you get bad mouth, lol.

I will not keep quiet o, this is a public forum and you no be landlord here.

Image123:

So is it safe to assume that one can be more blessed than you in a church like deeper life without having to be saturated with pastor chris-like teachings?

You misunderstand the scripture dude. It the bible says the giver is more blessed . That doesn't mean the receiver is poorer. It simply means. That no matter how much you give, what you recieve is far greater. Get it?

Secondly it's not just about listening to pastor chris. It's about the atmosphere I carry. If I constsntly give I also constsntly recieve ,it can be from n unbeliever , God puts my desire in the hearts of men. So either he listen to pastor chris or not.  He will give to me. It is about what I'd done. If I find myself in Saudi , they will still give to me.

nuella2:

Which one is pastor chris like teachings, for a man to leave his deeper life pastor and come and give in christ embassy, dont you think he has been listening to pastor chris even if he is in deeper life? Abi him pastor reject the car? .

If his pastor gives, then he should be receiving. The wealth of pastor is not by the size of his congregation as pastor chris usually teach. A pastor lives by his giving. If a pastor does not give, no matter the size of his church ,he won't be RECIEVING . The word of God is for us all to put to work

^^^

Meaning a pastor can have alot of rich people in his congregation and still remain poor if he does not give himself? He has to be a giver first to recieve and God can make anyone give to a giver. Thanks jare.

nuella2:

^^^

Meaning a pastor can have alot of rich people in his congregation and still remain poor if he does not give himself? He has to be a giver first to recieve and God can make anyone give to a giver. Thanks jare.

Biblical teachings are not comprehensible by ordinary men,  You'll need a lot of spirituality and close relationship with God for some deep revelations.

However you don't judge based on how you understand because you might be wrong, and secondly you don't swallow every word from your pastor;s mouth because he speaks based on his on understandings and revelations from God, so to be on the right part create an intense relationship with whatever God you believe to have your answers,





The most favoured people in our society today with gifts are clergy men, they spend close to nothing because their needs are being supplied and also get more, 

-Delusion is grandiose-

Giving for the purpose of receiving

God has become an investment banker.

Why can't you give for the purpose of love rather than for the purpose to get something back?