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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:17pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
raskymonojendor: Read this The Benins in lagos were not settlers like the yorubas want us to belive trouble started started when aworis kept harrasing the Benin trading merchant and Lagos had to be brought to his knees, after trading our merchant went back to Benin and after the war only 3 people stayed back to form the new lagos colony under the great Benin general oshodi who led the Benin army's and two of his other subordinate the first capital was at badary when trade died there, trade began booming in the Lagos island and the needed to move it to lagos island became a possibility which was later carried out because you don't see Benin influence on other part of lagos does not mean the oba didn't rule over the entire region called lagos now |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by GoodGovernance: 8:17pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
fijihems:j This common sense.God created every where.The first person to settle or live in a place, is the discoverer or founder. Therefore, Mungo paRk discovered river Niger. The whole world was in the beginning, basically land, forest and water. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:18pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Some say na itsekiri, some say na ijaw, the Benins say na the whitemen shio Make Una dey playread this The Benins in lagos were not settlers like the yorubas want us to belive trouble started started when aworis kept harrasing the Benin trading merchant and Lagos had to be brought to his knees, after trading our merchant went back to Benin and after the war only 3 people stayed back to form the new lagos colony under the great Benin general oshodi who led the Benin army's and two of his other subordinate the first capital was at badary when trade died there, trade began booming in the Lagos island and the needed to move it to lagos island became a possibility which was later carried out because you don't see Benin influence on other part of lagos does not mean the oba didn't rule over the entire region called lagos now |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 8:18pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Omobude244: What's the meaning of Obagodo in Edo/Bini language? Obagodo is purely Ife/Yoruba name, just like Obatala, Obameri, Obalufon, Obadio etc. Ogisos of Igodomigodo are from Ile-Ife. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:21pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Read this The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 8:23pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: Tapa Laduji Oshodi was not a Benin General He was the Balogun of Lagos Here is his Great Grandson Abisoye Oshodi Insisting that Benin People never founded Lagos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45036eXf7hQ?si=Cu_aqcMNR7WqdCmY |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Sammybliss: 8:26pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Chat gpt 4 don't lie........ The historical relationship between Benin and Lagos is quite significant and dates back several centuries. The Benin Empire, which flourished from the 13th to the 19th century, had a profound influence on the region, including the area that is now known as Lagos1. In the early 1600s, specifically around 1603, the Benin Kingdom conquered Lagos, transforming the political system of Lagos from a confederacy to a monarchy2. This conquest led to the incorporation of the Idejo chiefs, who had ruled Lagos between 1500 and 1603, into the Benin monarchy as white cap chiefs. These chiefs retained control over land rights and the settlement of minor disputes2. The foundation of Lagos is attributed to Prince Ado, the son of the Oba of Benin. Prince Ado was the first Oba of Lagos, and he named the town Eko. It was later renamed Lagos by the Portuguese explorer Ruy de Segueira in 19423. The Awori subgroup of the Yoruba people, who are indigenous to the Lagos area, also played a significant role in the history of Lagos. They moved to an island now called Iddo and then to the larger Lagos Island. Their ruler, Olofin, divided the island among his ten sons4. Overall, the historical relationship between Benin and Lagos is characterized by Benin’s imperial influence over Lagos, the establishment of a monarchy, and the integration of local chiefs into the new political structure. This relationship has shaped the cultural and political landscape of Lagos, leaving a lasting legacy that is still evident today. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by PHAYOL81: 8:32pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
@sotall and @validated, ISAKOLE (otherwise known as ROYALTY) doesn't suggest ownership, it clearly indicate SUBJUGATION of the weak LAND OWNERS by a SUPERIOR and POWERFUL outside force. OYO once collected royalty from some kingdoms in todays BENIN REPUBLIC and till date, some of them still bear the imprint of those period (in language, tradition and relationship) but it doesn't mean the OYO or the YORUBAs founded the places. People were there whom the OYO EMPIRE subjugated and mandated to pay royalty to the OYO palace. Sammybliss: HEAR yourself out, how can the portugese renamed the place LAGOS in 1423 when you've already speculated that it was 1603 or thereabout that the BENINS named it EKO. Point blank, the PORTUGESE came around long before the BENINS and take a look around the street names and location on LAGOS ISLAND, they all attest to the real founders or else the BENINS should come round to tell us the one they named or the named places that was renamed by the YORUBAs and at what time? HISTORY SHOULD BEAR ITS IMPRINTS ON TODAY and Lagos today clearly bear witness to the YORUBA historians records. 2 Likes |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:36pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
SayNo2SmallPrik: Ozour in that oshogbo you're you people hardly go to school there even when his name speak non ibo you still tag him igbo |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by rapheal5(m): 8:37pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00:So are you saying the same way fulani hijacked ilorin from yoruba is the same way Benin ppl hijacked Edo from yoruba right ?... |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 8:38pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Procashtips: I mentioned names of about 5 communities that still exist till today, yet you're still pretending. If you say Eko means war camp or arsenal in bini language, howcome there's no single Eko in Bini city or anywhere again in Bini territory? Only a fool will believe that Bini, in 15th/16th century went about 400km away to establish war camp in an area already surrounded by many existing communities like Ijebus, Ilajes, Oyos, Dahomy etc. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:40pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Ijaya123: A Benin man Read this As we may have it Benin wasn't organised or a powerful kingdom in the early times, in the beginning they were several villages who had Thier various leaders called ogiso they were several ogiso( sky kings) in the various settlement of Benin. at this time Benin was not one, the various settlement with their own ogiso existed independently. there were no one ruler, until a man called evian, killed a spiritual beast that had been disturbing the various villages surrounding Benin. which the various Ogiso heads couldn't handle and he found favour in the Benin community and the villagers came together to make him the oba of igodo. he ascended the throne as eweka the first He was blessed with mystical powers and the people likened him as the son of a God, the Ogiso who refused to surrender their sovereignty where forced and the kingdom was formed, this several ogiso heads became chiefs in the new kingdom called ogidomigofo Which later renamed as edo during oba ewaure reign and turned Benin during the Portuguese arrival who had corrupted Ile binu from the itsekiri warnings that had earlier told them not to venture into Benin City during their arrival and inquisition about the edo people Years after eweka had died his son expanded the kingdom further Benin on several occasion Lost some villages under the kingdom that had to be brought back through force, the king of the sea (ogiamen) was a powerful ruler who had ruled the river banks of Benin is territory was independent of Benin even when the Benin kingdom was long establish, oba ewakpe who was a conquerer had waged war on his kingdom that lasted for years but his kingdom was too strong to be defeated lots of lives was lost until an agreement was reached by the ogiamen that Benin would one day take over his territory which was a sure thing, because Benin was flourishing and expanding unlike his territory and that if they have to join Benin that the oba of Benin would respect is terms,and that every oba that ascends the throne would always come and buy his sovereignty from his family at every coronation in terms of paying homage and that if the contract is broken they can choose to live the kingdom, this practice continued for centuries until after Benin empire was brought down by the British and that tradition was stopped by the oba, the only way the ogiame family could use to attack the oba was by false acclimation Of his illegitimacy Just the way the yoruba were brought into one canopy by awolowo during the formation of Nigeria so as evian who became the first oba of Benin united the kingdom The Benin kingdom consist of the 36 Benin families The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co.... The yorubas and other tribes that have issues with the oba of Benin would always use the screenshot to support their claims that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, not until you ask them, if there is any trace of yoruba titles or names or even idols in the oba palace that can trace that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, then they will be left dumbfounded Read this too... As we may have it Benin wasn't organised or a powerful kingdom in the early times, in the beginning they were several villages who had Thier various leaders called ogiso they were several ogiso( sky kings) in the various settlement of Benin. at this time Benin was not one, the various settlement with their own ogiso existed independently. there were no one ruler, until a man called evian, killed a spiritual beast that had been disturbing the various villages surrounding Benin. which the various Ogiso heads couldn't handle and he found favour in the Benin community and the villagers came together to make him the oba of igodo. he ascended the throne as eweka the first He was blessed with mystical powers and the people likened him as the son of a God, the Ogiso who refused to surrender their sovereignty where forced and the kingdom was formed, this several ogiso heads became chiefs in the new kingdom called ogidomigofo Which later renamed as edo during oba ewaure reign and turned Benin during the Portuguese arrival who had corrupted Ile binu from the itsekiri warnings that had earlier told them not to venture into Benin City during their arrival and inquisition about the edo people Years after eweka had died his son expanded the kingdom further Benin on several occasion Lost some villages under the kingdom that had to be brought back through force, the king of the sea (ogiamen) was a powerful ruler who had ruled the river banks of Benin is territory was independent of Benin even when the Benin kingdom was long establish, oba ewakpe who was a conquerer had waged war on his kingdom that lasted for years but his kingdom was too strong to be defeated lots of lives was lost until an agreement was reached by the ogiamen that Benin would one day take over his territory which was a sure thing, because Benin was flourishing and expanding unlike his territory and that if they have to join Benin that the oba of Benin would respect is terms,and that every oba that ascends the throne would always come and buy his sovereignty from his family at every coronation in terms of paying homage and that if the contract is broken they can choose to live the kingdom, this practice continued for centuries until after Benin empire was brought down by the British and that tradition was stopped by the oba, the only way the ogiame family could use to attack the oba was by false acclimation Of his illegitimacy Just the way the yoruba were brought into one canopy by awolowo during the formation of Nigeria so as evian who became the first oba of Benin united the kingdom The Benin kingdom consist of the 36 Benin families The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co.... The yorubas and other tribes that have issues with the oba of Benin would always use the screenshot to support their claims that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, not until you ask them, if there is any trace of yoruba titles or names or even idols in the oba palace that can trace that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, then they will be left dumbfounded |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 8:43pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Raf4:ozuor na waste of time engaging u guys the brain is just too shallow so because Obagodo has a meaning in yoruba, therefore he is yoruba? if obagodo is from ife, how come oduduwa that founded ife came 1050 plus but obagodo reigned 40 BCE ? Is it that u guys are so stupid in that region? so ife already existed before oduduwa found it ? so obagodo have to go to benin from ife to formed benin while his 32 lineage oduduwa after a thousand years later have to return back to found ife again stupidity at it peak |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:44pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Are you aware the name ijebu was unintentionally given to them by the edo people but your leaders won't tell you because it has a sad background attached to it, the Benins had always raided the ijebu people for sacrificial slaves for our idols and so when the European inquired about them, the Benin said oo, you mean the tubu people this were the sound they made when the Benins dropped their corpse inside the river, and the European corrupted tubu to ijebu ~ The Rev. S. Johnson, “The History of the Yorubas,” Completed 1897, Published 1921 Go through my screenshot. Key words in the screenshot Obi qurano = Obayuwana Yebou= ijebu Yoruba = yoruba
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Elxandre(m): 8:45pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
How does this increase the GDP? |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by PureNigerDeltan(m): 8:45pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
zombieHUNTER: I guess you’re Igbo. You people don’t like peace |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:46pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Beuberry: Benin yorubas were Clown |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by greggng: 8:46pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Raf4: This your fake news has been disputed and trashed . You have no evidence if this ...a notable traditional rule in edo state has made it clear that such never happened in the Benin empire history . You are trying to deceive people with fake news. Google can't even help you this time . |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:47pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Read this About ogiso As we may have it Benin wasn't organised or a powerful kingdom in the early times, in the beginning they were several villages who had Thier various leaders called ogiso they were several ogiso( sky kings) in the various settlement of Benin. at this time Benin was not one, the various settlement with their own ogiso existed independently. there were no one ruler, until a man called evian, killed a spiritual beast that had been disturbing the various villages surrounding Benin. which the various Ogiso heads couldn't handle and he found favour in the Benin community and the villagers came together to make him the oba of igodo. he ascended the throne as eweka the first He was blessed with mystical powers and the people likened him as the son of a God, the Ogiso who refused to surrender their sovereignty where forced and the kingdom was formed, this several ogiso heads became chiefs in the new kingdom called ogidomigofo Which later renamed as edo during oba ewaure reign and turned Benin during the Portuguese arrival who had corrupted Ile binu from the itsekiri warnings that had earlier told them not to venture into Benin City during their arrival and inquisition about the edo people Years after eweka had died his son expanded the kingdom further Benin on several occasion Lost some villages under the kingdom that had to be brought back through force, the king of the sea (ogiamen) was a powerful ruler who had ruled the river banks of Benin is territory was independent of Benin even when the Benin kingdom was long establish, oba ewakpe who was a conquerer had waged war on his kingdom that lasted for years but his kingdom was too strong to be defeated lots of lives was lost until an agreement was reached by the ogiamen that Benin would one day take over his territory which was a sure thing, because Benin was flourishing and expanding unlike his territory and that if they have to join Benin that the oba of Benin would respect is terms,and that every oba that ascends the throne would always come and buy his sovereignty from his family at every coronation in terms of paying homage and that if the contract is broken they can choose to live the kingdom, this practice continued for centuries until after Benin empire was brought down by the British and that tradition was stopped by the oba, the only way the ogiame family could use to attack the oba was by false acclimation Of his illegitimacy Just the way the yoruba were brought into one canopy by awolowo during the formation of Nigeria so as evian who became the first oba of Benin united the kingdom The Benin kingdom consist of the 36 Benin families The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co.... The yorubas and other tribes that have issues with the oba of Benin would always use the screenshot to support their claims that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, not until you ask them, if there is any trace of yoruba titles or names or even idols in the oba palace that can trace that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, then they will be left dumbfounded |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:49pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Oshodi was the Benin general who led the conquest of lagos And I heard the oba of lagos gave him the name oshodi Wherever he got the name from I don't know but definitely I know it's not from wherever you think he got it from |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by bigwig071(m): 8:51pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
We all know yorubas are noise makers... they only love to overhype nonsense... they are now editing history worthless set of cowards |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by steeltrust: 8:52pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Na pride just de worry benin people just because of their conquest might they have back in the days I don’t know why benin like claiming every where When they don’t even have a footprint their The only place benin founded is their present location in edo state the rest where forcefully taken or conquered they should stop spreading lies Although I respect the oba of Benin so much but that doesn’t me I’ll agree with him on issues like this Benin ever discovered Lagos They conquered some part and that it |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by ogbe88(m): 8:56pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG:The Op and the idiots that liked this page are all pathetic lairs. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 8:56pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Omobude244: Idiot. As usual, resorted to insult. Who told you Oduduwa established Ile-Ife? Oduduwa only came later to establish a dynasty that is still in existence today all over Yorubaland. When your lies are burst and you're presented with factual evidence, be open to learning and be humble to accept corrections. Resorting to insult is an indication of a faulty claim on your part. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 9:02pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: This is Balogun Landuji Tapa Oshodi He was never in the Benin Army He never fought against Lagos but always for it
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 9:03pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
greggng: Picture of the shine has been posted here severally. You can also Google for it. Have you ever seen the tomb of any Oba of Bini b4? Dey play |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:06pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: I never said he was who said he was The name oshodin is an edo name stop playing young oshogbo man |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 9:07pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Raf4:lolz ozuor say evidence please where are the evidence if obagodo was from ife, how did he came about, who are his parents in ife? which year did he migrate to benin to found igodomigodo? or he fell from heaven and landed in ife and headed to benin immediately i am waiting for ur answers since u said u have facts i want all this answers to be listed along side the dates i have never seen a region so filled with liars, propagandist like the yoruba region tufiakwa |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:08pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
infofta: Answer this if you belive in that crap provide me Any Evidence Of Benin-ife Connection Prior To 1475 To 1914, written or artefactal wise, Note Europeans documented every aspect of Benin life including food, human scrafice, her civil wars the Europeans ethnograpger visited the Benins palace from their first arrival till the fall of the empire, but how come they didn't see Benin-ife Connection, Benin carrying their dead oba heads to Ife throughout 400years contact with Benins Read this The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 9:08pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: That was the Balogun Oshodi of Lagos he never was in the Benin Army |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:10pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Omobude244: I love this the rest Benin people are cowards can't even come out to defend themselves against weaklings our ancestors put in place centuries ago |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 9:11pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Omobude244: He came from Obadio family in Ile-Ife or do you know the name of his parents in igodomigodo? |
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