Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:09am On Dec 07, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by OyinO: 2:09am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Ghostagain:
The "yorubas" are not a homogenous group of people. Some of them are slave decendants from Brazil, Cuba ...or decendants from local escapee slaves like the egbas, some are from oyo kingdom (also called yarri.ba)... It is well recorded that Lagos was flooded by all these people as soon as the British took over Lagos in 1861 from Benin. The flooding continued well into postcolonial Nigeria and it is still ongoing today You have a point. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by OyinO: 2:10am On Dec 07, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:11am On Dec 07, 2023 |
OyinO:
You want to intimidate me? Who gave Lagos its name? Are you aware that the name "Africa" is a Greek word ? Does that mean that Africa was first a Greek settlement? Edit: Africa is a Roman word, not Greek. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by OyinO: 2:14am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Ghostagain:
Are you aware that the name "Africa" is a Greek word ? Does that mean that Africa was first a Greek settlement? Africa is not a Greek word please. Research again. Besides, we are talking of a settlement and not a continent. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:15am On Dec 07, 2023 |
OyinO:
Colonial maps were based on crude estimates because the explorers and expeditors remained much at the coasts, so little was known of most areas. They used the people they like to dominate others. And what supports this claim of yours ? This is just the preferred way to do rubbish eyewitness written documents. By claiming today without any yota of evidence, that those documents were "guess work". We are in the game of providing evidence while you keep trying to rubbish evidence with unsubstantiated smears and you keep pushing your preferred unsubstantiated stories as history. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:18am On Dec 07, 2023 |
OyinO:
Africa is not a Greek word please. Research again. Besides, we are talking of a settlement and not a continent. The Romans "gave" the name "Africa" to a tribe in Tunisia, and it was later used to describe the entire continent. I don't see why you think it is relevant to say that Africa is a continent and not a settlement. My point is that the fact that Lagos is a Portuguese word doesn't imply that Lagos was a Portuguese settlement. And for your information, the first name written down for Lagos wasn't Lagos, it was Ichoo (Eko). I think you don't fully understand that the Portuguese did not "name" Lagos, they only referred to it as such in their documents. Or were you under the impression that there was an official naming ceremony? Use your brain. Edit. "Africa" is a Roman word, not Greek. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:27am On Dec 07, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by lawani: 2:48am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:
This man, you still never comot from Nl,
Yoruba defender
Anyway everything you said is baseless
What of it we turn the table around and say the the yorubas were originally edos that due to the infusion of many tribes into the yoruba population their edoness diluted
How you see your logic
Use your common sense. Those identities did not exist five thousand years ago. No such words to describe nations of people existed back then and the language spoken by people back then would not be intelligible to anyone today. Edoid might be the purest in my opinion but Edoid people adjacent to each other today don't understand themselves. Do you now get it? |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 2:52am On Dec 07, 2023 |
OyinO:
Lagos was not founded but was used as a port city by the Portuguese. The Benin people were only co-settlers with other groups that also settled on the islands in that geographical area. The Yorubas only used their close proximity in nearby Yoruba areas to flock in and takeover during and after colonial administration. What do you mean that the Portuguese settled in lagos first You sound like you're misinformed truly you're read more stop guessing history Screenshot Original Translate |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 2:59am On Dec 07, 2023 |
OyinO:
You want to intimidate me? Who gave Lagos its name? Is the word Lagos a Yoruba word? Are you not aware that all the Yoruba settlements carry or bear Yoruba names till date? So how come Yorubas founded Lagos without naming it according to native parlance? Colonial maps were based on crude estimates because the explorers and expeditors remained much at the coasts, so little was known of most areas. They used the people they like to dominate others. My screenshot to you says even the Portuguese called it eko, curomo meaning ekonuame the full word the Benin gave to the lagos settlement The Portuguese had their own name they gave the settlement they likened lagos as one of their city in Portugal called lagos and they nicknames it in their text as lagos interchangeably with the word eko |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Beuberry(f): 4:11am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:
My screenshot to you says even the Portuguese called it eko, curomo meaning ekonuame the full word the Benin gave to the lagos settlement
The Portuguese had their own name they gave the settlement they likened lagos as one of their city in Portugal called lagos and they nicknames it in their text as lagos interchangeably with the word eko You, gregboy and other Benin scavengers has been roaming this site spewing tràsh. Your statements are incoherent cos of lies you spill. You ll carry screenshots that even pointed more fact that Yorubas had more influence on Benins. While I reply all ya lies with truth, I ll rough handle you with more facts, logic & common sense posts to show that you are just a strong head boy like Ologbosere, the fetish chief that ill-advised Oba Ovonramwen. Na that string head dey make you disregard Yoruba history from Benin. Before you cough, what's the meaning of the word Benin? |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Beuberry(f): 4:23am On Dec 07, 2023 |
OyinO:
You want to intimidate me? Who gave Lagos its name? Is the word Lagos a Yoruba word? Are you not aware that all the Yoruba settlements carry or bear Yoruba names till date? So how come Yorubas founded Lagos without naming it according to native parlance? Colonial maps were based on crude estimates because the explorers and expeditors remained much at the coasts, so little was known of most areas. They used the people they like to dominate others. Hello, I ll give you a link to some history of Yorubas. Don't let any pained Benin boy to tell you trash. Actually Benins are pained like Igbos over success of Lagos so they want to claim things that aren't for them. More so, they v been so rude to ab extent that I advise Yorubas to cut ties with them. So that in future they can go separate in their landlock nation. All being said about Yoruba influence on them are extremely true. They lacked facts. They ll say Yoruba words but can't tell it's deep meaning. They are taking advantage of some naive youths to misread and misinterpret everything Yorubas did to Benin. The meaning of Benin is Ile-Ibinu which was name Oranyan gave to them. See names like Adesuwa which is also Adesewa and the syllables are (Ade-su-uwa & Ade-se-ewa). Ogun, Olokun, Oba etc. Words those mofos can't tell it's story. Look at Ife artworks and Benin artworks. In the 15th century, Oba Oguola sent for bronze casters from Ife to reach them bronze sculptures. Yet one mofo here said Ife artworks weren't made by Yorubas but was purchased. It's obvious there are plots to decimate Yorubas. Seems pained tribes are tired of Nigeria. Nevertheless Yorubas ll continue to wax stronger with or without Nigeria. Pic 1 Ife bronze head. Pic 2 is Benin bronze. You ll see Ife own is more realistic. Download freely one of the most concrete History of Yorubas here by Rev Samuel Johnson. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://archive.org/download/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwim3YDrr_yCAxVtX0EAHTvyBSkQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw11a0s_-oalDRZwT0denpi8 |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Beuberry(f): 4:32am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:
Do you know benin have a strong cultural presence in ekiti and ondo, benin conquered those areas you're half baked in history don't call yourself names you're not entitled to
Ask why ayelala is only found in edo and ondo
As for the olokun it is there in my screenshot it says the worshipers of other orishas in the town of the ondo they are in would come to their house to join his parents who are Benins to watch in amazement the process of olokun worship
This link would also explain the presence of Benins in ondo
This is the link to my screenshot if you insist on reading it whole... You should! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://edofolks.com/html/pub70.htm&ved=2ahUKEwiV3-eO4PDpAhU6AmMBHaZeCvAQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2O2tdvNLC9WstfBOJD11C3&cshid=1591573439261
Benins and yorubas are almost very different
The way edo state is close to a yoruba state is just thesame way kogi state is also close to a yoruba neighboring state, but yet Yoruba in kogi state still retain their yoruba Ness so why is that of the Benins different if we were truly yorubas proximity can have a little effect but no a whole effect on a tribe that is entirely different from another tribe
So common sense didn't tell you it was Yoruba influence in Edo that made them not only influence the palace but have people so close to them. Since you v agreed Ogun, Ayelala, Olokun etc are Yoruba boys, no qualms. Mind you, Benin people dey worship Ogun so don't say you guys are animists. Ogun was one of the oga welders for ancient Yoruba times. He's very talented & was given war Chief title. Anyways am not her to teach you history as a priestess. My msg to you is clear now. You n gregboy v the right to protect ya heritage but don't do so with lies on another people's own. Me personally wished Yorubas cut ties with Benin cos it's indeed Ile-Ibinu, land of vexation. Naso una take annoy Oranyan that time & that man na hot tempered person. Peace! |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Beuberry(f): 4:54am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:
Benin artwork is not smilar with Ife artwork
Those Ife artworks was not made in Ife point of correction, tho found in Ife but researchers says it wasn't made in Ife, those artworks were purchased by art merchant that came not from Ife but other unknown places to sell to the Ife and ondo people who made use of it
See I am more well read than you're
The Benin artwork is very different from Ife, Benin have artworks and Ife does too meaning that Ife taught not just Benin art but also igbo ukwu too that also had artworks, that sounds funny stop forcing Benin and Ife connection to grow your history
First Ife artwork was made from about 12 to 13 century Benin artworks started in 15 century 200 years after Ife artworks had gone extinct so who come magically teach Benin, so people cannot mircalously have talent for art and the ruler would help in enhancing it
The techinqes and design are different in both Ife and Benin artworks like you said Ife art is realistic
The usage is purely different Benin was for ointmental and recording keeping, purpose, Ife art was for religious purpose
The chemical materials for the artworks are different from both tribe
Lastly Ife people didn't make their artworks they were purchased from art merchant that may not be from Ife reason why the artworks do not show their cultural identity
Saying Ife thought Benin artwork is like saying Europeans came to teach us how to eat, if one person developed the talent for art in a community which is a free gift from God the oba who appreciate it will find ways to enhance it... Can't that happen, must it come from somewhere
The question is why did Ife not teach her fellow yoruba neighbours close to them the artwork.. Why benin, why benin head burial Only Benin don't you find all this fishy
Read the previous message on the orun oba ado origin
You said Ife artworks are purchased. From who o? You can add that Benins sold it to them. 😂 See don't disrespect a culture that helped ya culture. It's möronic of you to do that. You also said Benin artworks aren't similar to Ife artworks. I no blame you maybe you missed art class in school. Pic 1 is Ife art and pic 2 Benin own. Use ya eyes see the truth and erase the lies. In art textbooks, WAEC exam questions etc they always state similarities btw Ife and Benin art. Small time you can blame Awolowo that he n other Yorubas tried to annex Benin. Na good thing them wan do una. But if you all aren't synching no p. Yorubas don't want people that ll be annoying them too. You said Ife art didn't show yoruba cultural identity. It's obvious the gods has cursed you. One of the most popular Ife artworks is bronze statue of Ooni Obalufon (pic 3). Na Benin man abi? Check pic 4 to see image of a Yoruba woman that looked liked you v seen her before. That's the level of the realism. Painment that Yorubas are superior to Benin tribe is hurting you, gregboy & other Benin touts here. Continue and those that do it in real life too, make una continue. Na ya history you dey scatter! I v read about Egharevba. You all should be proud of him cos he has one of your earliest history. Go online, go to Wikipedia etc. Everyone knew Oranyan gave Benin the name as Ile-Ibinu and it was his son that was Eweka. Una fit corrupt am to Emeka o make Igbos drag una taya! For now, freely download this and enjoy history of Yorubas. You go see where them get their name: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://archive.org/download/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwim3YDrr_yCAxVtX0EAHTvyBSkQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw11a0s_-oalDRZwT0denpi8Lastly, when more facts on Orun Oba Ado gets out, you ll be more perplexed. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by bigcasava1(m): 5:36am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Let the yorubas believe that story while we other tribes believe what oba of bini said. 2 Likes |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Zeebuy: 5:40am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Tochitee: Another dagger in the heart of Pandora children. Nnamdi Azikiwe tried,he was disgraced brutally,Ojukwu tried and failed woefully, Pandora and his miserable kids has continued from where Azikiwe stopped. Anyways,there's only one outcome,when you overstepped your boundaries in Lagos. Yorubas will always put you in your place. Fight between y'all and the Binis but you're shamelessly trying to drag the Igbos into it Pathetic creature 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Zeebuy: 5:43am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Donedeal1: This is a serious lessons for our unappreciated
Hospitality.
50yrs from today maybe Abeokuta. Dem don already collect Kwara from y'all. Abeokuta will eventually fall to the Fulani colonisers, as you rightfully said 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ijaya123: 7:41am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:
A Benin man Read this
As we may have it Benin wasn't organised or a powerful kingdom in the early times, in the beginning they were several villages who had Thier various leaders called ogiso they were several ogiso( sky kings) in the various settlement of Benin. at this time Benin was not one, the various settlement with their own ogiso existed independently. there were no one ruler, until a man called evian, killed a spiritual beast that had been disturbing the various villages surrounding Benin. which the various Ogiso heads couldn't handle and he found favour in the Benin community and the villagers came together to make him the oba of igodo. he ascended the throne as eweka the first He was blessed with mystical powers and the people likened him as the son of a God, the Ogiso who refused to surrender their sovereignty where forced and the kingdom was formed, this several ogiso heads became chiefs in the new kingdom called ogidomigofo Which later renamed as edo during oba ewaure reign and turned Benin during the Portuguese arrival who had corrupted Ile binu from the itsekiri warnings that had earlier told them not to venture into Benin City during their arrival and inquisition about the edo people Years after eweka had died his son expanded the kingdom further Benin on several occasion Lost some villages under the kingdom that had to be brought back through force, the king of the sea (ogiamen) was a powerful ruler who had ruled the river banks of Benin is territory was independent of Benin even when the Benin kingdom was long establish, oba ewakpe who was a conquerer had waged war on his kingdom that lasted for years but his kingdom was too strong to be defeated lots of lives was lost until an agreement was reached by the ogiamen that Benin would one day take over his territory which was a sure thing, because Benin was flourishing and expanding unlike his territory and that if they have to join Benin that the oba of Benin would respect is terms,and that every oba that ascends the throne would always come and buy his sovereignty from his family at every coronation in terms of paying homage and that if the contract is broken they can choose to live the kingdom, this practice continued for centuries until after Benin empire was brought down by the British and that tradition was stopped by the oba, the only way the ogiame family could use to attack the oba was by false acclimation Of his illegitimacy
Just the way the yoruba were brought into one canopy by awolowo during the formation of Nigeria so as evian who became the first oba of Benin united the kingdom
The Benin kingdom consist of the 36 Benin families
The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co....
The yorubas and other tribes that have issues with the oba of Benin would always use the screenshot to support their claims that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, not until you ask them, if there is any trace of yoruba titles or names or even idols in the oba palace that can trace that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, then they will be left dumbfounded
Read this too...
As we may have it Benin wasn't organised or a powerful kingdom in the early times, in the beginning they were several villages who had Thier various leaders called ogiso they were several ogiso( sky kings) in the various settlement of Benin. at this time Benin was not one, the various settlement with their own ogiso existed independently. there were no one ruler, until a man called evian, killed a spiritual beast that had been disturbing the various villages surrounding Benin. which the various Ogiso heads couldn't handle and he found favour in the Benin community and the villagers came together to make him the oba of igodo. he ascended the throne as eweka the first He was blessed with mystical powers and the people likened him as the son of a God, the Ogiso who refused to surrender their sovereignty where forced and the kingdom was formed, this several ogiso heads became chiefs in the new kingdom called ogidomigofo Which later renamed as edo during oba ewaure reign and turned Benin during the Portuguese arrival who had corrupted Ile binu from the itsekiri warnings that had earlier told them not to venture into Benin City during their arrival and inquisition about the edo people Years after eweka had died his son expanded the kingdom further Benin on several occasion Lost some villages under the kingdom that had to be brought back through force, the king of the sea (ogiamen) was a powerful ruler who had ruled the river banks of Benin is territory was independent of Benin even when the Benin kingdom was long establish, oba ewakpe who was a conquerer had waged war on his kingdom that lasted for years but his kingdom was too strong to be defeated lots of lives was lost until an agreement was reached by the ogiamen that Benin would one day take over his territory which was a sure thing, because Benin was flourishing and expanding unlike his territory and that if they have to join Benin that the oba of Benin would respect is terms,and that every oba that ascends the throne would always come and buy his sovereignty from his family at every coronation in terms of paying homage and that if the contract is broken they can choose to live the kingdom, this practice continued for centuries until after Benin empire was brought down by the British and that tradition was stopped by the oba, the only way the ogiame family could use to attack the oba was by false acclimation Of his illegitimacy
Just the way the yoruba were brought into one canopy by awolowo during the formation of Nigeria so as evian who became the first oba of Benin united the kingdom
The Benin kingdom consist of the 36 Benin families
The Benin empire consist of lagos, ondo, ekiti, delta and Co....
The yorubas and other tribes that have issues with the oba of Benin would always use the screenshot to support their claims that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, not until you ask them, if there is any trace of yoruba titles or names or even idols in the oba palace that can trace that the oba of Benin is a yoruba man, then they will be left dumbfounded You wrote all this bullcrap without a source? |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Gaabasky: 7:53am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Christistruth00:
Look, Benin Cannot even Swim not to talk of fighting the Awori and Ijebus who can swim like fish in Water
When it get down to the Wire and you dig deeper you will discover that the people who actually ran the show were the Itsekiri who even had Ijebu roots anyway
The Oba of Benin that was controlling Lagos Island then was even drown when he was going back to Benin
Na Itsekiri carry Benin come Lagos
And the Itsekiri even consider themselves to be Yoruba' People anyway
Benin People cannot Swim and they Cannot Canoe So Benin defeating Awori and Ijebus on Water is out of the Question
Just say it was the Itsekiri And the Itsekiri had Ijebu roots |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Procashtips(m): 8:05am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Raf4:
Dahomey also paid isakole to Oyo empire. That doesn't mean Oyo founded Dahomey. Nobody is disputing that at some point Bini invaded Ereko and overpowered the Aworis. Eleko of Eko (Oba of Lagos) throne was established by Bini, but Bini never founded Lagos. Just like Ile-Ife people, led by Prince Oranmiyan, invaded Igodomigodo, renamed it Ile-Ibinu (now Bini) and established Obaship dynasty there till today. Stop changing the narratives. Dahomey paid taxes to Oyo kingdom because it's on record that the Oyo kingdom at one time conquered them. Now show us from history if and when the Benin Kingdom conquered the Aworis that led to them paying taxes to the Benin Kingdom in Eko the Benins named. Spare us any other unrelated gibberish for now. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 8:29am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Ijaya123:
You wrote all this bullcrap without a source? Without a source you mean So many source bro The screenshot was written afc rydee a reconsideration of be I and Ife connection Many source out there |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by ycat: 8:42am On Dec 07, 2023 |
When I told yall that Yoruba are the reason they removed history from schools, these people have no history and want to be able to claim Yoruba's own. They are now claiming every part of our culture that they have denigrated in the past. In 10 years they will start claiming Ogun state, in 15 years they will totally claim Amala, they have already claimed Elubo. They have claimed Gele, Apala cap and Dansiki(these are people whose traditional wear is singlet or 10-pocket shirt over wrapper with winter hat just 20 years ago)and will claim agbada in about 8 years.
History must come back at least in Yorubaland. Regions must handle their education and security like it's done all over the world. BRING BACK REGIONAL GOVT! |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:21am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Beuberry:
You said Ife artworks are purchased. From who o? You can add that Benins sold it to them. 😂 See don't disrespect a culture that helped ya culture. It's möronic of you to do that.
You also said Benin artworks aren't similar to Ife artworks. I no blame you maybe you missed art class in school. Pic 1 is Ife art and pic 2 Benin own. Use ya eyes see the truth and erase the lies. In art textbooks, WAEC exam questions etc they always state similarities btw Ife and Benin art. Small time you can blame Awolowo that he n other Yorubas tried to annex Benin. Na good thing them wan do una. But if you all aren't synching no p. Yorubas don't want people that ll be annoying them too.
You said Ife art didn't show yoruba cultural identity. It's obvious the gods has cursed you. One of the most popular Ife artworks is bronze statue of Ooni Obalufon (pic 3). Na Benin man abi? Check pic 4 to see image of a Yoruba woman that looked liked you v seen her before. That's the level of the realism.
Painment that Yorubas are superior to Benin tribe is hurting you, gregboy & other Benin touts here. Continue and those that do it in real life too, make una continue. Na ya history you dey scatter!
I v read about Egharevba. You all should be proud of him cos he has one of your earliest history. Go online, go to Wikipedia etc. Everyone knew Oranyan gave Benin the name as Ile-Ibinu and it was his son that was Eweka. Una fit corrupt am to Emeka o make Igbos drag una taya! For now, freely download this and enjoy history of Yorubas. You go see where them get their name: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://archive.org/download/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwim3YDrr_yCAxVtX0EAHTvyBSkQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw11a0s_-oalDRZwT0denpi8 Lastly, when more facts on Orun Oba Ado gets out, you ll be more perplexed.
I don't see any similarities between Benin and Ife artwork, apart from the fact that both artworks you posted are both bust fiqures, that's is due to the fact that you only selected a Benin artwork you think look similar with Ife artwork but then again you failed... The Benin artwork you posted does not have an open head space in the back, but all Ife artworks does including the one you posted The eye designs in the Benin artwork you posted is different from that of Ife, the Benin artwork is less realistic So I am asking where is the similarities in their tongue? I am not stressing myself to educate you but to humiliate you and appeal to your inner mind to sink in the truth and also to the people that will come across this thread in the future... My Screenshot shows both side views of Benin and Ife artworks Lastly Did ife own their artworks? The answer is no, the facial scarification in the Ife artworks was never in practice by the Ife people, the crown on the Ife artwork was recently copied by the current ooni, it was never in use before now... The assumed Oba olufun artwork attire was recently copied Unlike the Benin artworks that represent their cultural attire even till date.... Our educational system is dead so stop using that as refrence, our educational sys is there to promote false unity between tribes, so if they can draw similarities between Benin and Ife art then it their usual madness Lastly you said we should thank Egharevba lol, do you know he later corrected most of his baseless earliest works, I guess you're unaware that's why you're praising is old works.... Benin helped the yoruba into Organization my point is Ife and Benin never had any connection, Benin ruled over lagos, ogun, ekiti, ondo and defeated oyo, Benin presence in the yoruba culture is everywhere we built what is yoruba culture today... |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 9:33am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Procashtips:
Stop changing the narratives.
Dahomey paid taxes to Oyo kingdom because it's on record that the Oyo kingdom at one time conquered them.
Now show us from history if and when the Benin Kingdom conquered the Aworis that led to them paying taxes to the Benin Kingdom in Eko the Benins named.
Spare us any other unrelated gibberish for now. Do I need to school you about Bini expedition? How Oba of Bini sent his warriors to Lagos because of constant disputes between the Aworis and Bini traders? Go and read many history books on how Bini invaded and established Obaship in Lagos. Just because Aworis were blocking his access and control of trading activities in Lagos. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Yomit71(m): 9:37am On Dec 07, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 9:42am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:
LOL those places you mentioned were under Benin control
Try search Asaba relationship with Benin on goggle, if Benin was not stop the empire would Have occupied what is know as Nigeria now including the north You're overhyping your 4 LGA empire. Ijaws, Ilajes, Ijebus, Dahomey were never under your Bini. Bini even tried the Igalas, but had to perish the ideas and abandoned the war attempt quickly. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:51am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Beuberry:
You said Ife artworks are purchased. From who o? You can add that Benins sold it to them. 😂 See don't disrespect a culture that helped ya culture. It's möronic of you to do that.
You also said Benin artworks aren't similar to Ife artworks. I no blame you maybe you missed art class in school. Pic 1 is Ife art and pic 2 Benin own. Use ya eyes see the truth and erase the lies. In art textbooks, WAEC exam questions etc they always state similarities btw Ife and Benin art. Small time you can blame Awolowo that he n other Yorubas tried to annex Benin. Na good thing them wan do una. But if you all aren't synching no p. Yorubas don't want people that ll be annoying them too.
You said Ife art didn't show yoruba cultural identity. It's obvious the gods has cursed you. One of the most popular Ife artworks is bronze statue of Ooni Obalufon (pic 3). Na Benin man abi? Check pic 4 to see image of a Yoruba woman that looked liked you v seen her before. That's the level of the realism.
Painment that Yorubas are superior to Benin tribe is hurting you, gregboy & other Benin touts here. Continue and those that do it in real life too, make una continue. Na ya history you dey scatter!
I v read about Egharevba. You all should be proud of him cos he has one of your earliest history. Go online, go to Wikipedia etc. Everyone knew Oranyan gave Benin the name as Ile-Ibinu and it was his son that was Eweka. Una fit corrupt am to Emeka o make Igbos drag una taya! For now, freely download this and enjoy history of Yorubas. You go see where them get their name: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://archive.org/download/historyofyorubas00john/historyofyorubas00john.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwim3YDrr_yCAxVtX0EAHTvyBSkQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw11a0s_-oalDRZwT0denpi8 Lastly, when more facts on Orun Oba Ado gets out, you ll be more perplexed.
Read the works of babatunde lawal on Benin and Ife artwork https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.jstor.org/stable/180516&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjvtbjk6PyCAxWJUkEAHYO0B9wQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw1f20jqc1Jx-3X7iGPGK0zJThere is the link or you can help yourself with the screenshot |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 9:51am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:
Leo febonus did a digging there and nothing was found you dey whine
So because some yoruba falsefully setup a structure to further buthress their false narrative we should take it serious clowns of a tribe
Were is the alafin of oyo heads buried in Ife Where is the rest oduduwa children heads buried in Ife why only Benin, if una nor dey whine una head bunch of clowns
Read this
The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba. Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1
Raf4 Continue to live in self deceit and denial till eternity. Orun obat ado shrine in Ile-Ife, where they buried the heads and toes of your deceased obas, is well known and has been in existence for centuries. Akenzua II, Ereduawa II and Ewuare II cannot rewrite the history that there ancestors for many generations practiced and upheld. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by adelana632: 9:52am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Do not mind op. The Aworis have not denied paying isakole to the binis.Do not mind op. The Aworis have not denied paying isakole to the binis.... |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:55am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Raf4:
Continue to live in self deceit and denial till eternity. Orun obat ado shrine in Ile-Ife, where they buried the heads and toes of your deceased obas, is well known and has been in existence for centuries. Akenzua II, Ereduawa II and Ewuare II cannot rewrite the history that there ancestors for many generations practiced and upheld. Or are you the one living in self deceit An excavation was done for Godsake no bones Were found in the site, my explanation in my writeup explains how it came about . Am glad you have learned the truth Tho you sound rebellious in your response but it's normal it will die out Good luck |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:56am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Raf4:
You're overhyping your 4 LGA empire. Ijaws, Ilajes, Ijebus, Dahomey were never under your Bini. Bini even tried the Igalas, but had to perish the ideas and abandoned the war attempt quickly. You sound pained, you need to cool off buddy |