In one breath, you agree with me that continuing with this project isnt an option and in another reply to Odunnu, you insinuate that you are not ready to refund because you feel you were maligned. You cant hold on to her domain as well as her money while brooding over the fact that you cant continue with the work. You are complicating issues.

@poster, you need to understand something very clear that i asked you to make payment for the service does mean am hungry..OK. i just want to get the job done to get more clients from you. and that's what i move into doing before this. the only thing here is that you didn't have a Lil patient.
i told you am only building my portfolio, that's why i am taking the job. a shopping site with a magazine feature is from 300k to 1m. but i even invested my own money and time to make sure i get a professional job done with a fucking cheap price.

anyway. am off for now. i need to have my head rest a while.

For those of you who think I planned on giving Siony only 25,000 for his work. This is a proposal we agreed on. Before God and Man( in local parlance) . Tell me where I went wrong Just access this proposal and tell me, if I planned to use him? I won't comment again after this. From here, the only way forward to to take action. And fight for this crime of taking what doesn't belong to you and being cocky in spite of the glaring signs that you openly wanted to RIP ME OFF
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Dear Mrs. Ufuoma.

                                                            WEB DESIGN PROPOSAL AND LETTER OF AGREEMENT 

siony telecoms is pleased to submit a proposal for the development of a website to Ufuoma  Umusu. the terms of this proposal are valid for thirty(30) days prior to commencement of work and then for the lenth of the project.

BACKGROUND. 
Siony Telecoms is internet bureau for Design, Programming, online marketing and office virtual Assistants. we specialize in creating attractive and effective yet affordable websites based on the site and its model for business, promote brands online and give supports to our clients 24/7.

STATEMENT OF WORK
Develop an internet site for Ufuoma Umusu. create a clean, organized, and professional looking site, develop a consistent theme with the use of company logo, colors, headings and footers, and buttons.

WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT
Purpose of website.
the exact purpose of the website is providing latest trends and updates across the fashion, lifestyle, entertainment, who-is-who and  and will include providing contents and information focused around a specific niche.

Design Methology.
it is essential to establish a polished professional look for the website. Siony telecoms will create up to 3 ''look and feel'' designs compatiable with all modern browser, apps and devices. when a design concept is selected that is prefered the most. Siony Telecoms will start developing a consistent look for headings and footers, logo and navigation buttons.

SITE CONTENT
with an approved consistent look established, next step is add content to the site. site content is added to pages that have a consistent theme and look in terms of headers, footers, and accent graphics such as buttons and bullets. Development of the content will primarily be done by Siony Telecoms based on Client Approval and Submission.

PROJECT COST ANALYZED. 
Domain: Free ( already included in the hosting package)
Hosting:  N17,350
Website Design: 25,000
E-commerce Integration from Eyowo: N15,000
Search Engine Optimization and Online Marketing: FREE 
Facebook Fan Page Integration : FREE
Website Secure Firewall: FREE

TOTAL:  57,350

MOD OF PAYMENT: FIRST PAYMENT CONSISTING THE HOSTING FEE AND THE ECOMMERCE FEE IS IMPORTANT
FIRST PAYMENT : N32,350, OTHER PAYMENT WILL BE PAID UPON COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.

I decided to pay 25,000 first to be sure, he was going to start work. And then proceed to make the other payments as the project went on. It was God that helped me in this regard.

Thanks to all of you who have sent me private messages, about taking on the project. right now I am so burnt , I don't think I will work on a website for now.

You mean you have recieved private mesages from designers? Boys here no dey smile o

Does Nairaland have a Private message feature?

I have been following this thread for a long time but havent made any comment yet because i wanted to hear fully from both sides, and it seems there was no issue of scamming here, it was just a little misunderstanding.
@wemaster i find you at fault for deleting her from ur facebook friends and not picking her calls because i'm sure that was what instigated her anger....and i'm also sure you did it out of anger/depression(if the story of stolen property is true). You also share some blame because i myself wont be happy to hear that my site is down whatever the reason may be...You were paid and its your Job so you are fully responsible...
@varies1 i think you were controlled by anger and motivated by a third party which is likely why you took things this far...after buying a domain, and giving you upto 90% of your site and hosting it....you should have given him time.
@wemaster i advice you give her the domain and refund her money to prove your dignity and clear you conscience.
@varies1 when he has done this you should render appologies to him in this site to clear his name since it was just a mere misunderstanding
I REST MY CASE!!!

soloqy: You mean you have recieved private mesages from designers? Boys here no dey smile o

Does Nairaland have a Private message feature?

u go fear boys na.
[s]
What are they webmasters for if they cant scour?[/s]

if wemaster had been more cooperative, its something any of his pals could have chipped in to complete for the sake of peace, even while he was AWOL.

sameWeMaStEr: @poster, you need to understand something very clear that i asked you to make payment for the service does mean am hungry..OK. i just want to get the job done to get more clients from you. and that's what i move into doing before this. the only thing here is that you didn't have a Lil patient.
i told you am only building my portfolio, that's why i am taking the job. a shopping site with a magazine feature is from 300k to 1m. but i even invested my own money and time to make sure i get a professional job done with a fucking cheap price.

anyway. am off for now. i need to have my head rest a while.

Dear, i will give you a feedback concerning refunds later in this same thread because right now m in a very bad mood. since you are asking for a refund, stop talking about domain name. ok and ask that person who is the BEST WEBSITE DESIGNER AND PEOPLE REP SPOILER to return back the domain account to my lovingdomain account back or my own actions will be more than making posts.

not so fast pls!

I did a tracert/whois lookup and theres no evidence to show the hosting is at w4a.

That aside, how did a 3rd party manage to access your domain control panel and move her domain?

In other words, www.uunista.com is no longer under your control?

I'll mail you shortly. Hope you'll give me the password to your lovingdomains account to verify?

Thanks

yamakuza:

not so fast pls!

I did a whois lookup and theres no evidence to show the hosting is at w4a.

That aside, how did a 3rd party manage to access your domain control panel and move her domain?

In other words, www.uunista.com is no longer under your control?

I'll mail you shortly. Hope you'll give me the password to your lovingdomains account to verify?

Thanks

Ths is serious. So after we thought the domain was registered at W4A. It isn't there... All you supporters of Siony. Are you reading this He cannot find my domain... Cheiii I laugh in Urhobo.. This is becoming a Nollywood movie. God bless you Yamakuza for this revelation.

yamakuza:

not so fast pls!

I did a whois lookup and theres no evidence to show the hosting is at w4a.

That aside, how did a 3rd party manage to access your domain control panel and move her domain?

In other words, www.uunista.com is no longer under your control?

I'll mail you shortly. Hope you'll give me the password to your lovingdomains account to verify?

Thanks

I tire oo. The stories are soo inconsistent, it gives one a headache. He says the server had a problem and was down, the he admitted he hadnt paid for hosting, then he assured that he has finally paid for the hostimng and it would come up in 24 hrs, then he turns around to say someone else is with the domain name in question. What in the world is all this?

@Wemaster, answer yamakuza, how can a third-party get access to a domain you control to move it away without your knowledge? Even if Varies1 does not know how hosting and stuff like this works, have you forgotten you are posting on a forum with people who understand how stuff works?

Javanian: I have been following this thread for a long time but havent made any comment yet because i wanted to hear fully from both sides, and it seems there was no issue of scamming here, it was just a little misunderstanding.
@wemaster i find you at fault for deleting her from ur facebook friends and not picking her calls because i'm sure that was what instigated her anger....and i'm also sure you did it out of anger/depression(if the story of stolen property is true). You also share some blame because i myself wont be happy to hear that my site is down whatever the reason may be...You were paid and its your Job so you are fully responsible...
@varies1 i think you were controlled by anger and motivated by a third party which is likely why you took things this far...after buying a domain, and giving you upto 90% of your site and hosting it....you should have given him time.
@wemaster i advice you give her the domain and refund her money to prove your dignity and clear you conscience.
@varies1 when he has done this you should render appologies to him in this site to clear his name since it was just a mere misunderstanding
I REST MY CASE!!!

Did you just say I got 90% of my work? Are you a webmaster ?? Did you look at those free templates thoroughly?? Please go back and have a really good look and tell me if that trash wasn't a copied free template

@vanely1 but atleast there was progress which means he was not scamming you, if he was, he wouldnt have taking pains to even start the design talk more of repeating it when you rejected the first design...like i said he is at fault but you are over-reacting..A little patience would have done you two good

Also @vanelly1 i envy you because not many women know much about web-design as you do...atleast you've shown you can't be easily fooled...

varies1:

Ths is serious. So after we thought the domain was registered at W4A. It isn't there... All you supporters of Siony. Are you reading this He cannot find my domain... Cheiii I laugh in Urhobo.. This is becoming a Nollywood movie. God bless you Yamakuza for this revelation.

i've mailed Siony. I hope he replies tonight.

Pls what is Nduka's role in all this? He might presently be in control of your domain.

sameWeMaStEr: @poster, you need to understand something very clear that i asked you to make payment for the service does mean am hungry..OK. i just want to get the job done to get more clients from you. and that's what i move into doing before this. the only thing here is that you didn't have a Lil patient.
i told you am only building my portfolio, that's why i am taking the job. a shopping site with a magazine feature is from 300k to 1m. but i even invested my own money and time to make sure i get a professional job done with a fucking cheap price.

anyway. am off for now. i need to have my head rest a while.

So why didn't you state your fees as 300,000 to 1million in your proposal? Is it that free template you posted on that free blog that is 300k? Or is there another custom website you haven't shown us yet. That you designed for 300thousand naira. Since you aren't HUNGRY. Why is it taking you forever to refund a paltry 25k Your laptop was stolen, yet you were able to retrieve the fake job of 90% that you did for me. So where did you store this information? Or your friend returned your stolen laptop for you source out information for that free blog you just created. My dear when it comes to lying, you aren't even good at it. See the loopholes, in your story. Continue this way #Godiswatchingyou... You cannot go unpunished.

Wemaster,

If you hadn't gone silent (into hiding) all this while, I believe this whole issue wouldn't have escalated to this extent.

Sleep over it bro and please conclude to refund her money for PEACE TO REIGN. You might have had good intentions but you didn't go about it the right way one bit.

The issue isn't Nduka told her this or that, if you had communicated with her for those 2 weeks you went underground and hadn't deleted her from your facebook, whatever Nduka told her wasn't going to be relevant or of interest to her because she would have still seen you as the Honest fellow she initially thought you were.


We all need to start putting professionalism in whatever career path we take. Irrespective of if we have an office, dress corporate, operate from Victoria Island or Ikoyi. Whatever we do let's be professional. It appeared the whole contract here was carried out from lack of professionalism.

It appeared you were desperate to get the job done, and even went for as low as 3k (so surprising) for a website.

Wemaster please get a book by Krock - 80/20 principul and digest those words well. You really need to start reading to work on your managerial skills. The smallest of deals bring the biggest of Problems. FACT!


I hope and pray you both get to a compromise and resolve this whole issue.

I am glad I actually heard (to an extent) from both parties.

acidtalk: Wemaster,

We all need to start putting professionalism in whatever career path we take. Irrespective of if we have an office, dress corporate, operate from Victoria Island or Ikoyi. Whatever we do let's be professional. It appeared the whole contract here was carried out from lack of professionalism.

It appeared you were desperate to get the job done, and even went for as low as 3k (so surprising) for a website.

Wemaster please get a book by Krock - 80/20 principul and digest those words well. You really need to start reading to work on your managerial skills. The smallest of deals bring the biggest of Problems. FACT!

I say the same things all the time. Nicely put. Though the 3k is for a different website and has nothing to do with this one in question but message applies.

The same amount of time spent in chasing a 10k job is the same you spend chasing a 300k job.

varies1: Thanks to all of you who have sent me private messages, about taking on the project. right now I am so burnt , I don't think I will work on a website for now.

People are snitches.
Something that is yet to be resolved, people are already out to enter into another contract with a client that feels cheated right now.

Wemaster,
I am willing to give you free business consulting and a few web projects to handle (since you made it clear you want to build your business portfolio) on one condition and one condition only; Refund the @poster's N25,000 in full to her.

At this stage I will let you know what you need to develop if more of you Managerial skills rather than technical know how.

Do you use Php and Mysql, CSS, Flash Media (to build fully flash site) and other tools which will be discussed only after I see you make peace with the poster.

Omo mhen, talk talk don dey tooo much o0. .sotey iDon dey get headache sef.

Make I rest my head too like "Our friend" WemaSter.

Slyr0x:

Make I rest my head too like "Our friend" WemaSter.

Uneasy lies the head .....

Make him just refund and move on

acidtalk: Wemaster,

If you hadn't gone silent (into hiding) all this while, I believe this whole issue wouldn't have escalated to this extent.

Sleep over it bro and please conclude to refund her money for PEACE TO REIGN. You might have had good intentions but you didn't go about it the right way one bit.

The issue isn't Nduka told her this or that, if you had communicated with her for those 2 weeks you went underground and hadn't deleted her from your facebook, whatever Nduka told her wasn't going to be relevant or of interest to her because she would have still seen you as the Honest fellow she initially thought you were.


We all need to start putting professionalism in whatever career path we take. Irrespective of if we have an office, dress corporate, operate from Victoria Island or Ikoyi. Whatever we do let's be professional. It appeared the whole contract here was carried out from lack of professionalism.

It appeared you were desperate to get the job done, and even went for as low as 3k (so surprising) for a website.

Wemaster please get a book by Krock - 80/20 principul and digest those words well. You really need to start reading to work on your managerial skills. The smallest of deals bring the biggest of Problems. FACT!


I hope and pray you both get to a compromise and resolve this whole issue.

I am glad I actually heard (to an extent) from both parties.

bro.. you hadn't get the catch yet i believe. i told this NDUKA i call a friend to pay for the hosting while i was facing this issues. i give him my loving domian account username and password and also give him the hosting account and password. but to my suprise he didnt pay, rather transfer the accounts from mine to his. ( you see) same thing he did with herbalfasthairgrowth.com is the same he did to uunista.com. taking the domains from my account to his.

Wemaster,

All this one you are saying is story. . .You gave someone your username & password, someone stole your laptop, you traveled to Kutuwenji & Gaffancha at the same time, bla bla is NO business of ours. .

Dude, just do the needful and let this matter die abeg. .

yamakuza:







not so fast pls!

I did a tracert/whois lookup and theres no evidence to show the hosting is at w4a.

That aside, how did a 3rd party manage to access your domain control panel and move her domain?

In other words, www.uunista.com is no longer under your control?

I'll mail you shortly. Hope you'll give me the password to your lovingdomains account to verify?

Thanks

why are you talking like this? uunista.com is registered and hosted by me. since i had issues with my hosting. i told this ''THIRD PARTY'' to make payment for me because i do pay with liberty reserve, he has LR and instead of paying, he went to transfer the domain from my account to his because i gave him all the details. i think i can trust him as a friend. this same person lure @varies1 to do all this nonsense, this same person is the one tarnishing my image here and there just to get jobs.

any i think and feel even see am tooo big for this. madam ufuoma u said u write me a mail, i don't know which email u write to oo.. and secondly, i didn't block you on facebook, i only deactivate my acc and now its activated back.

25k is nothing to me but what you did is far more than killing person. i dont think there's something you can do to me that will be more than this. thanks for all this OK.

i believe this will be the 10th time i will ask you to send me your account details. if you are afraid of sending me yours, then send any account details and say its you by text or on facebook. i will not continue spending my time on this anymore. like i said earlier. ask that Foolish beast who think he can spoil my rep to tell you who i am in the field of IT/Web design or you make your background check on me. i never and will never scam anyone. in fact i am the one to complain of many clients who are still owning me balances. but i believe this is not even best as an option to bring me here and trash out nonsense. you called my designs free templates? ooo.. each time i read your post i get mad and want to do something very bad. but i will maintain my temper. let me chk my email and see if anything is coming from you.

make i leave all this nonsens wey i dey read here jo because if i continue, i fit kill person.

WeMaStEr:

bro.. you hadn't get the catch yet i believe. i told this NDUKA i call a friend to pay for the hosting while i was facing this issues. i give him my loving domian account username and password and also give him the hosting account and password. but to my suprise he didnt pay, rather transfer the accounts from mine to his. ( you see) same thing he did with herbalfasthairgrowth.com is the same he did to uunista.com. taking the domains from my account to his.

In as much as your friend Nduka might not be a good friend, you aren't a good person yourself.

If you had come out sincere and explained issues to the poster things wouldn't have generated to this extent.

To make matters worse, you just keep contradicting and complicating yourself with each post. Everyone have all said the same thing which is "Pay the poster her money back" or "deduct the one month hosting fee from the N25,000 and then pay her the difference as well as send her username and password to her". But yet it is one story after another insisting on how we don't "get the catch".

We all can't be so silly or biased that we haven't still "gotten your catch" now.


If I put up your mistakes again it will be like I am placing the bulk of the blame on you but truth be told, you can't succeed in business with this kind of attitude. You need to be more sincere (as in seriously sincere from start to finish), less desperate, less greedy, extremely truthful and communicative.


You are running this business like a means of immediate survival rather than as a professional.


Leave your friend out of the picture now and ammend your ways.


So Mr Andrew Slony John when are you refunding her money to her?

WeMaStEr: any i think and feel even see am tooo big for this. madam ufuoma u said u write me a mail, i don't know which email u write to oo.. and secondly, i didn't block you on facebook, i only deactivate my acc and now its activated back.

25k is nothing to me but what you did is far more than killing person. i dont think there's something you can do to me that will be more than this. thanks for all this OK.

i believe this will be the 10th time i will ask you to send me your account details. if you are afraid of sending me yours, then send any account details and say its you by text or on facebook. i will not continue spending my time on this anymore. like i said earlier. ask that Foolish beast who think he can spoil my rep to tell you who i am in the field of IT/Web design or you make your background check on me. i never and will never scam anyone. in fact i am the one to complain of many clients who are still owning me balances. but i believe this is not even best as an option to bring me here and trash out nonsense. you called my designs free templates? ooo.. each time i read your post i get mad and want to do something very bad. but i will maintain my temper. let me chk my email and see if anything is coming from you.

make i leave all this nonsens wey i dey read here jo because if i continue, i fit kill person.

If you talk like this to a "one time client" on a public forum, how do you expect to get empathy from future prospects and clients from this same forum with this kind of attitude.

Oga, your managerial skill is zero and the earlier you start working on it the better.

This isn't a forum where meat and pepper are being sold online. You are meant to be a website professional to help put people's businesses online.

If you threaten to kill all your clients because you are agree, who go gree get mind to patronize you.

This tori too long o. I cant even understand the kleg.

Talk is cheap.

Un-followed.

acidtalk:

In as much as your friend Nduka might not be a good friend, you aren't a good person yourself.

If you had come out sincere and explained issues to the poster things wouldn't have generated to this extent.

To make matters worse, you just keep contradicting and complicating yourself with each post. Everyone have all said the same thing which is "Pay the poster her money back" or "deduct the one month hosting fee from the N25,000 and then pay her the difference as well as send her username and password to her". But yet it is one story after another insisting on how we don't "get the catch".

We all can't be so silly or biased that we haven't still "gotten your catch" now.


If I put up your mistakes again it will be like I am placing the bulk of the blame on you but truth be told, you can't succeed in business with this kind of attitude. You need to be more sincere (as in seriously sincere from start to finish), less desperate, less greedy, extremely truthful and communicative.


You are running this business like a means of immediate survival rather than as a professional.


Leave your friend out of the picture now and ammend your ways.


So Mr Andrew Slony John when are you refunding her money to her?

bro.. believe me am very very upset now.. very angry now but not for my clients. but for that ''THIRD PARTY'' who don't have job rather than spoiling people's rep. secondly about the forum things. am not limited to NL..OK my work speaks for me and bring me clients. i don't think there's a firm that don't have bug/issues to fix. there are many ways i can make my doh, if no one contact me for site. i will build websites and sell. create a forum and give support to youth and upcoming designers. i will create a site that will pull me cash. several things i can do without this ''THIRD PARTY''. for everybody who knows this THIRD PARTY, please inform him to return back the domain account uunista.com back to my account ooo.. because from what am seeing here, this client don't know about the transfer. i tried his line but he's not picking my calls. madam varies1 call your BEST WEBSITE DESIGNER to return back that domain account or what i will do is not making posts ooo..

[s]as soon as the domain name is returned back to my account and a written apologies by Mrs Umusu is placed. the refunding of money is void[/s].

tell her to send me her account details na, abi western union don dey operate for naija?

WeMaStEr: as soon as the domain name is returned back to my account and a written apologies by Mrs Umusu is placed. the refunding of money is void.

This is unbelievable. You are still on this endless rigmarole. Every new post is an indictment on you. Every story is different from the other. Sorry , but you sound so unstable. Are you alright? No really

hhhhmmmmm...

soloqy:

This is unbelievable. You are still on this endless rigmarole. Every new post is an indictment on you. Every story is different from the other. Sorry , but you sound so unstable. Are you alright? No really

i will pretend i didn't read that,

WeMaStEr: hhhhmmmmm...

i will pretend i didn't read that,

1. You never replied my email. Dont bother again.

2. Why not call/sms her and ask for her bank details?