chidichris:

we cannot do things on our own and that is the gospel truth and events in the past 47 years have confirmed that.
someone said the british police is not efficient but he failed to say who is.
[b]if yar adua is ready to swallow his pride and go for the british police, it will help us not only in recieving knowledge from them but it will also help us in developing our infrastuctural base as the british police cannot work under the present conditions of nigeria.[/b]i know the british police surely will need computers and electricity as pre-requisites to operate in nigeria and by so doing, yar adua will be forced to change his mentality on electricity and its relevance.
nigerians and africans as a whole are proud people and we preffer to die in silence to accepting our mistakes.
nigerian police are under-equiped and inexperienced. mjority of the policmen in nigeria are not computer litrate so is it possible analyse things on the computers assuming the computers are there?
if we really need development and progress in our lives, the help of the whites will not be overlooked.

Blatant:

Stupidity.

what does the British police have to train the Nigeria Police on? What does the British Police understand about the Nigerian society?

If the Nigeria Police was as well resourced as the British Police, they will command a much higher level of respect. British Police have a society which is order to work with; they have a society with a much more reliable statistical base; they have a society where the average citizen is not thinking about stealing (pen or armed); they have a superior weapon power than any criminal who wants to operate in their society.

There is absolutely no way you can logically compare both police forces and conclude that one is better than the other.

Kobojunkie:

You might as well ask what sort of training does the Nigerian military force need @Blatant . Do you even know your own country?? How do you then propose to make the force better?? Continuing the way we have for 47 years now?? I mean since you obviously believe they know everything there is to know, why is the force not doing a good job at all in that country?

Blatant:

So, you believe then that the british Police know everything there is to know?
Have you given the Nigeria Police half of the resources the British police have access to? have you presented the Nigerian Police with the same kind of people the British Police deal with? The Nigeria Police is not a uniquely bad organisation.
If Nigerians are a good people, the Nigeria Police will be a good one.

Kobojunkie:

Note: No one has so far said anything about the british police knowing it all. You are the one who suggested that the nigerian police knows all there is to know about policing the people, yet in over 47 years, they have yet to do the job well. What resources do you want them to get that will actually get them working now?? You do realize that before technology and cars came in to the picture, many countries still had an effective force. What now do you feel we should give them this time that will make them or push them to do a better job?? Nigeria has NOT ALWAYS been the way it is today and even back in the days, the police was not as bad as they are now but with time, things have turned this way and so you say if we give them stuff , they will work. my question to you is what are these things. And when you do give it to them, will you expect them to learn it on their own or will you then bring people in to TRAIN them in the use of these new things and get them skills necessary to do a better job or do you propose we dump new technology on them and watch everything sink to a level even worse than we have now? Many of them are not even educated.

Blatant:

The Nigeria Police is completely outnumbered and outgunned by criminals bearing in mind that most Nigerians are criminals in waiting. they are only waiting for their chance to steal or do something else that is horrible. The police is a product of the society. The policemen are recruited from amongst us. The British Police is also recruited from among the public and it is a known fact that there is a small element of bad officers within the ranks of the British Police. The reason the Nigeria Police is so bad is not training but the society.

The british police have records to refer to when investigating anything but Nigerians have NO statistics for anyone to refer to. If you use a credit card illegally, you can be traced within Britain. In Nigeria, you cannnot be traced no matter what you do. You don't need to be super-trained to do an effective police job in Britain; the resources and logistics have been put in place for the job to be well done.

I hope the training goes on well and we will see if it makes any difference.
Why do we have such colomentality and lose the ability to think?
We need to bring British Gas to come and train PHCN as well.
British Water to train the water corporation guys.
BT to train NITEL, or whatever they are called now
We need to bring British politicians to train our politicians as well.

Kobojunkie:


Your argument is flawed for the fact that you somehow do not see that this problem did not start today or in the last 10 decades but from over 3 decades now. During that time, the police, if it really wanted to, could have collected all the stats it needs to get at least part of the job done today. Stats and records do not drop from the sky, they have to put it together themselves. Even without a computer, you can do simple record keeping, work which even today many companies still handle with ease. I am sorry I do not think I can get into this with you but about the colomentality you speak of, I think you should look to self for that. All big countries in this world have at one time or another recruited the help of other countries to help train it's people. The British army still gets american millitary to train it from time to time in different skills. Same with Nigeria, the millitary still gets training from America and from other countries with training to offer. Every year thousands of Nigerians travel abroad to get educated in the UK and many other countries. Companies call on foreign companies to help train their staff each year in new technologies and effective business practices. Even China hires thousands of Americans to train it's own business people. Why it is colomentality when it comes to training our Nigerian cops??

Blatant:

It is not the idea of training the cops that is colomentality. It is the belief that whatever the colonialists feed us must work and must be better than the way our brains work that is referred to as colomentality.
Statistics with regards to a lot of things are not to be made available by the Police. The government should be responsible for having functional departments which will make good, traceable records available for the Police to use. Without such records that other government departments provide in Britain, the police forces in Britain will be as hopeless as the Nigeria Police Force. The fact that you think it is the duty of the police to have statistics, eg stats of people in work, stats of people migrating, stats of people who are of voting age: these are not for the Police to provide. Until we understand that there have to be certain things in place for law and order to exist in a Nation where majority of citizens are criminals in waiting, we will not move forward in any endeavour.

Kobojunkie:

Well, in that case, I still think you should look to self for the colomentality. The arguement for it has so far not been about Nigeria being a former british colony but simply about what we can gain compared to what we have now. I am not sure Yar'adua went in with the mentality that since we used to be under the british means they know more than we do in all things. So please, can we focus on what we can gain from this and not the same old COLOMEntality that has kept us were we are today due to stupid pride. There are so many things the government could do and not do [[b]color=#990000]but the government is not responsible for collecting information and data for law enforcement[[/color][/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000]/b]. Infact, all that should be done by the agency itself and since it has not been able to successfully achieve that means help might be needed and there is no point going around talking about what we could have and not have without actually doing something about it. Let them train our men in data collection and get things working. This has nothing to do with colonialism or black vs white issues but simple common sense.

Let them train our men in data collection and get things working. This has nothing to do with colonialism or black vs white issues but simple common sense.

Let them train our men in data collection and get things working. This has nothing to do with colonialism or black vs white issues but simple common sense.

Absolutely accurate!

does NEPA power Zenith Bank or GTB's Data collection/data center?
or MTN's ~10 million subscriber base?

Data collection DOES NOT REQUIRE ELECTRICITY. There are many libraries here you can walk into and get information on paper still from so many decades back

babasin:

Your response is shocking!

these are money making, they can afford to buy diesel for their GEN and pass the bill to clients.

is this what you want British Police to come and do? when last did you visit a WESTERN police station?
Police needs rapid access to information, this is not some libary for archive and those library document are also in micro-film and stored in off-shore centre.

Guys, lets be serious about what we are talking here.

yeah, yeah. here we go again!!!!!

where is the NEPA to power your data-center?
   

when will you stop building castle in the air.