naijaway:

The story about d process where this lack of understanding by yaradua came from are in this article http://allafrica.com/stories/200712030283.html. One intresting instance is where Gordon askes yaradua to choose a city where he needed help and then this man who's supposed to be on point throughout his tenure(mr yaradua) then decides that the whole police needs british trainning in Nigeria.
Very disheartening to see lack of confidence in a leader because it then increases the ripple effects of we can't do it except they help us mentality. The senate better ease out on that bakassi issue because we can protect them when cameroun messes with them and face this heavy internal disgrace and presidential approval of spies. Tell me where they give and say oh yeah i'm just giving and not taking. That brown guy is like a chief of KKK; and our president have decided to and still deciding to give him a grip on the Nigerian population. Is it going to be when a couple of them gets killed and kidnapped that our presido will realise his dumb decision or is it when they retaliate against a certain population for killing their own that this Yar adua will recognize. Well, his decision and implementation tells us where the problems lay because is that same slave mentality in every major institution in Nigeria whenever a white man is involved.
I believe in help but not when am lazy I still need help. My question still remains to the fact that what can they do without all their technology and relying on the same pay as the nigerian police for a period of time? Or are their decisions better than ours or what? This is a case of importation abuse to soverign nation. They can play eith the army because both sides learn but not the police that is family issue.

so we don't create a we can't do it except they help us mentality why don't we chase shell, exxon,mobil and co away at least that way we will be doing it our way

what's so hard in admitting we have a problem- a real problem! companies and countries invite consultants to improve their performance, I don't see the big problem here apart from misplaced ego

Personally i think that Mr President is definitely moving into the right direction of the conversion of the police from that of a corrupt force to a respectable force key in affirming civilization and peace.

however the problem is that the British Police is not a standalone institution but a network of institutions that work alongside each other.

This theory of the British should be applied to Nigeria as they need to create a network of institutions that compliments the other.

The network the police includes is the law, the government, the army and the emergency services and many more.

it is great that yar'adua is thinking alongside this wavelength, however it is only a process that he will start but will not be transformed by the end of reign as president even in his second term. Though the speed of the changes will be dependent on the willingness of the police force mentality to be outweighed by the greed of money.

Maybe yar'adua should organise that of a wage for the police force but this will cannot ensure to combat the existence of bribery. This can be tackled at a later date as it is right now more important for the police force to confirm its status of purpose 'to serve it people by restoring civilization and peace' and working in line with those with its network.

Thirdly, since the Nigeria police problem is a reflection of Nigeria's larger political and social decadence, whatever British assistance being sought would not have any desired effect until a major surgical operation of the larger problems of the Nigerian society is undertaken.

thats is summary of it all. well said from Thisday

Thirdly, since the Nigeria police problem is a reflection of Nigeria's larger political and social decadence, whatever British assistance being sought would not have any desired effect until a major surgical operation of the larger problems of the Nigerian society is undertaken.

Absolutely.

These guys here just dont get it. they think that chasing shadows will help them rather than dealing with the substance. We have a Nation of rogues where almost nothing works well and everybody thinks one department can be singled out to work well within such a society. The Police does not work in isolation in any nation. They rely on all other government agencies for various things.

I think we need to stop displaying our 'half knowledge'. Lets get things in proper perspective so we can have meaningful debates and discussions

The Police needs training. Other agencies need to be trained as well but that does not change the fact that regardless of where the others are, right now, the police force needs to be trained and ready for the others.
Infact, Traing the police force is more for the public than for other sectors. We need a force than can at least understand how to deal with basic workings of police. We can not afford to put the training of the police force on hold for when we can better tie things together in other areas, which we have not been able to do for decades now.

You do not put the education of the mechanic on hold until you have a car ready for him to fix. You train him so that when the car arrives, he is already able to deal with what is needed and knows how to apply what he ALREADY knows to fixing the car.

Kobojunkie:

The Police needs training. Other agencies need to be trained as well but that does not change the fact that regardless of where the others are, right now, the police force needs to be trained and ready for the others.
Infact, Traing the police force is more for the public than for other sectors. We need a force than can at least understand how to deal with basic workings of police. We can not afford to put the training of the police force on hold for when we can better tie things together in other areas, which we have not been able to do for decades now.

You do not put the education of the mechanic on hold until you have a car ready for him to fix. You train him so that when the car arrives, he is already able to deal with what is needed and knows how to apply what he ALREADY knows to fixing the car.

Good point.

However, knowledge that cannot be used is wasted knowledge.

Blatant:

Good point.

However, knowledge that cannot be used is wasted knowledge.

Are you kidding me?? You mean the knowlegde obtained can not then be put to tackling the current situation in the country or even to solving past problems and cases?? What exactly do you think the police do The police do not just wear gadgets and stand fancy. There is ALWAYS work and places to apply police skills. I mean the very streets of the country need the skills. It can never be a waste if they are trained to do their job better.

It can never be a waste if they are trained to do their job better.

if they have no tools, not motivated, etc the last thing they wanna think of is apply such training since they dont need it to survive.

The reason why you would want to TRAIN anyone would be to get the person motivated and also help the person make use or what is available at any time to get the job done.

babasin:



if they have no tools, not motivated, etc the last thing they want to think of is apply such training since they don't need it to survive.

train (trn)
v.tr.
1. To coach in or accustom to a mode of behavior or performance.
2. To make proficient with specialized instruction and practice. See Synonyms at teach.
3. To prepare physically, as with a regimen: train athletes for track-and-field competition.
4. To cause (a plant or one's hair) to take a desired course or shape, as by manipulating.
5. To focus on or aim at (a goal, mark, or target); direct. See Synonyms at aim.
6. To let drag behind; trail

TRAIN anyone would be to get the person motivated

I see you are not-in-tune with Nigeria.

Training for naija is to make money not to be motivated

Motivation for naija is money, more power.

babasin:



I see you are not-in-tune with Nigeria.

Training for naija is to make money not to be motivated

Motivation for naija is money, more power.

We are not speaking of the old way things used to go in naija. We are speaking now of a move which we hope Yaradua is serious about. If he is able to make this happen and allow the training to take place, even it over a period of 3 or 5 years, I believe it will go a long way in rectifying the problems we have been dealing with in that country for decades now.

You can train them as much as you want. As long as they see other citizens getting rich by corrupt means, they will forget the training and the training becomes useless.

It's a total National re-orientation that can achieve anything meaningful. Most of the thieves in nigeria now were very well trained abroad, so what happened to all their training?

Blatant:

You can train them as much as you want. As long as they see other citizens getting rich by corrupt means, they will forget the training and the training becomes useless.

It's a total National re-orientation that can achieve anything meaningful. Most of the thieves in nigeria now were very well trained abroad, so what happened to all their training?

I happen to be a Nigerian myself and have never 419ed anyone. I see the rich and I know of many of my own mates who have houses and cars all over the place, yet I remain rooted in my stand against 419. There are the bad eggs and training will reveal many. To demand we wait until the whole nation changes it's mind in this is to wait forever and accomplish nothing.

I happen to be a Nigerian myself and have never 419ed anyone.

Go back and live in naija for another 1yr and come and tell us if you dont 419 anyone.

babasin:

Go back and live in naija for another 1yr and come and tell us if you don't 419 anyone.

ha ha ha

Thanks for letting that be known bro

babasin:

Go back and live in naija for another 1yr and come and tell us if you don't 419 anyone.

Just cause I happen to have an abode outside does not mean I have not lived in the country. I happen to have done exactly that most of my life and still have no desire to do such. Infact, I lived right in the heart of Ikorodu and will be heading back in a couple of weeks, still no desire to do such. Sorry, not all persons are the same and we do not all think or act alike.

Infact, I lived right in the heart of Ikorodu and will be heading back in a couple of weeks, still no desire to do such. Sorry, not all persons are the same and we do not all think or act alike

dont try to be a saint. its not against you. its just way nigeria is.

it needs total revamp.

babasin:

don't try to be a saint. its not against you. its just way nigeria is.

it needs total revamp.

Please stop trying to ASSUME you have every Nigerian all figured out. I am NOT TRYING to be a saint. I do not NEED to TRY to be a saint. I am comfortable with who I am and will proudly proclaim my stand on issues any day. To Revamp Nigeria, any step in the right direction should be welcomed, even if it is not at the grassroot level as we mostly would expect. Who will the training of these cops harm?? Why do you believe it is wrong when it actually factual what we have had for decades has done us no good Does training them mean or spell doom to any other sector?? Why can you not see this as it is really is?? Just sending all the police men back to school so they can become better police men??

Just sending all the police men back to school so they can become better police men??

sadly, this is not there motivation.

The key 'motivation' is money, more money.

Nigeria Police is not the problem. They are not from Mars. They are a mirror of Nigeria Society.

babasin:



sadly, this is not there motivation.

The key 'motivation' is money, more money.

Nigeria Police is not the problem. They are not from Mars. They are a mirror of Nigeria Society.

How do you know that money is the motivation? You mean Yar adua actually said that Educating then will move them from where they are now to where they ought to be and the old ways become past.

The Problem I believe we have more in the Nigerian mentality is the idea that the solution to the problem has to be COMPLEX for it to solve the FAKE COMPLEX problems we have. Nigeria's problems are very simple ones. The problem with the Nigerian police is a very simple one and the solutions are SIMPLE too. You give those men a reason to want to do the job. Excellent training, good incentives and benefits and you will see many of them rise up to do the job as they ought to.

@babasin

Enough of the gibberish talk, what is your recommendation?
It makes absolutely no sense to continue to point out problems and problems and problems with zero strategy to effectively tackle these problems.

Nigerian police department has been severely defective for over 40 years; Nigeria as a nation is only 47 years old. I think it's high time to introduce something different to quickly upgrade the standard of Nigerian Police Department.

There is no need to flex our depleted muscle. A better Nigerian Police force will only upgrade the value and the pride of our nation.
I think so far this is the best move Yar'Adua's administration has introduced; and if moving forward is our mission, then we need to embrace the move and hope for the best outcome.

Enough of the gibberish talk, what is your recommendation?
It makes absolutely no sense to continue to point out problems and problems and problems with zero strategy to effectively tackle these problems.

Solution: Total Revamp of Nigeria.

This gotta start from the 'Head'

Excellent training, good incentives and benefits and you will see many of them rise up to do the job as they ought to

Look, Nigeria Police knows all 'armed robbers' and their hide-outs, they smoke 'igbo' together, they even exchange guns.

If they want to find a thief, they will. They are just not motivated; MONEY,. They have no reason to do so. simple.

babasin:

Solution: Total Revamp of Nigeria.

This gotta start from the 'Head'

Look, Nigeria Police knows all 'armed robbers' and their hide-outs, they smoke 'igbo' together, they even exchange guns.

If they want to find a thief, they will. They are just not motivated; MONEY,. They have no reason to do so. simple.

You are still trying to make the same error of assuming that all police men want to do is what they are doing now and None of them want a better life and job. I am sure there are police men in Nigeria who look at the police force in countries like America or the UK and wish their jobs were that stimulating. Give them what they need and then we can weed out those who are just there to play around with our time and money. Simple!! It is like raising kids. If left to do what they want, many will choose wrong paths but if you train them to follow the right path, you will see many excel and there will be those you will have to leave to their demons but regardless it is the best thing to do.

If left to do what they want, many will choose wrong paths but if you train them to follow the right path

what is the right path in Nigeria??

Corruption, loot public money.

so why would the Police men be different.

OBJ had N20,000 in 1999 now his farm is making $250,000 every month.

You think any Policeman would not get his own 'motivation' as which way possible?

Posted by babasin:

Look, Nigeria Police knows all 'armed robbers' and their hide-outs, they smoke 'igbo' together, they even exchange guns.

If they want to find a thief, they will. They are just not motivated; MONEY,. They have no reason to do so. simple.

@babasin:
From your posts, it is clear to me that you truly do not understand the concept of this move (Britain To Reorganise Nigerian Police). I also see a lost man who continues to run around the bush with absolutely no destination.

Could you please educate me by answering this simple question "what exactly do you think the Britain are coming to Nigeria to teach the Nigerian Police"?

what exactly do you think the Britain are coming to Nigeria to teach the Nigerian Police"?

Look, British Police can teach them many things but the moment they go back. Things we remain as it was.

We need to revamp Nigeria.

Example:
The Nigeria Police head-office: Louise Edet House in Abuja is very modern

2months after it was completed in 2000 and handed-over; all the finger print machines was broken cos different parts stolen.
Reason:
The small boy will do their own once the Big Boys are stealing their own. It is plain answer.

Don't you think all these unnecessary failure and defective ways of doing things will be addressed during the training process?

May be you need to evaluate the plans the Fed Govt has designed to implement this strategy before you criticize this move?

It is very important to understand the concept of the move; you should take a time out and learn more about the project.

It is very important to understand the concept of the move; you should take a time out and learn more about the project.

In normal situation, above is what you do.

But you also have to look at past to estimate the future.

babasin:

In normal situation, above is what you do.

But you also have to look at past to estimate the future.

What then do you propose? They not be trained cause in the past they have not done a good job? Training is part of the process, don't you think? Training them to understand the job requirements, the role they ought to play, the goal and objectives of the organization and penalties for going againt the organizations policies. Is that not part of the training process??

@babasin:

A solid (effective and efficient) police department of any nation remains the back-bone.
You will be surprised how much things in general will improve as soon as the our Police force understands the value and the pride of their duties.

The main duty of any Police department is to ensure that the citizens follow the constitution or laws of the country.
The main problem in Nigeria is citizens not obeying the laws of the nation (FYI: corruption also falls into this category).
With a solid, bright and stable Nigerian police standard, I think sky is the limit.

Folks in general will be hesitant not to do the right thing; therefore, bravo goes to Okiro/ Yar'Adua to be courageous enough to come up with this magnificent strategy.
With the establishment of a favourable ground for the British to make the strategy successful, I truly believe that Nigerians have absolutely nothing to lose.


A country with a defective Police Department is the same as a country with no law; a country with no law will never, never, never accomplish anything, it will be rat-race war over and over for many many years to come. Don't waste your time fooling around, we must all embrace this move ( Yar'adua Invites Britain To Reorganise Nigerian Police)

Folks in general will be hesitant not to do the right thing; therefore, bravo goes to Okiro/ Yar'Adua to be courageous enough to come up with this magnificent strategy.

Now you are sounding like Politicians.

anyway, as I said. Nigeria Police knows armed robbers. This is a fact. They dont need any training for this.

They smoke 'igbo' together.

They interact every day

The thief settle the Police.

It is only those 'robbers' that do not settle that are caught.

Did british trainned Nigeria Police before they caught Anene; the famous Benin Robber? NO

@babasin:

No disrespect, but are you related to MAMAJAMA by any chance? Because you keep on running around the bush naked with absolutely no destination; you are making me dizzy.

Look, Nigerians are ready to move forward and it is more difficult to effectively move forward when one focuses on looking backward.
Forget ANENE or other past examples; it is clear to everybody that the damage is done and it's time to come up with sensible strategies to make our country a better place to live and to invest.

Nigerians have been labelled as bunch of thieves or criminals all over the world; many none-Africans prefer to visit Ghana or Kenya while they reject Nigeria because of security issues; many Nigerians today refuse to return home for good not because of poverty, but because of security issue and lawless lifestyle; Nigeria as a nation is depleted and unstructured because citizens have absolutely no regard for the laws; politicians in general continue to take advantage of the defective Police department and lawless society.

My man, to move this country forward effectively and efficiently, the changes must start from the top;  to me, the Nigerian Police force represents the top and the back-bone with absolutely no question.

Just give the move a chance and experience wonders!