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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Beuberry(f): 9:11pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:Talk in clear language 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:14pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Answer this... You're too funny... I will never be a man like you and can never have a friend like you In the face of truth you lie... Yorubas on Facebook liked thesame confirmed history me and my Benin brothers have been singing to you for 2yrs now Answer me this... provide me Any Evidence Of Benin-ife Connection Prior To 1475 To 1914, written or artefactal wise, Note Europeans documented every aspect of Benin life including food, human scrafice, her civil wars the Europeans ethnograpger visited the Benins palace from their first arrival till the fall of the empire, but how come they didn't see Benin-ife Connection, Benin carrying their dead oba heads to Ife throughout 400years contact with Benins 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Omobude244: 9:15pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Raf4:lolz from obagodo to obadio u for say obaFM ozuor we benins are not like u people that claim what never existed our history is well rooted we have root and dates for every events ordinary question i asked u now, u couldnt answer, yet u claimed u had facts show me how obagodo came about from ife his family and the dates and the dates he migrated to benin to found igodomigodo |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by greggng: 9:16pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
[quote author=Raf4 post=127352815] Picture of the shine has been posted here severally. You can also Google for it. Have you ever seen the tomb of any Oba of Bini b4? Dey I don't believe in propaganda . The only logical thing to breve by a sensible human is that Benin founded lagos and as such incharge of the affairs ...They imposed there authority cos they are the founder...it will be ogical to believe thst the Benin buried there oba in ife ....This is a damage Control to cover the shame of burying your oba in a strange land . Go and excavate there bones and give them.proper burial in yoruba land instead of making it look like it was an exchange of burial . |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:19pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Beuberry: Benins were never yorubas since inception till now yorubas started forcing this narrative during the Benin stay in the western region, if Benin or the monarchy was yoruba Benins would have fought heavily in the yoruba civil war instead benin traded yorubas guns to kill themselves without any other pyscial interference Benins wouldn't have used ijebu as human sacrifice to their water idols |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Abagworo(m): 9:19pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
absoluteSuccess: It was in reference to Oyo. Do thorough research. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:20pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: What do you mean that oshodi is a yoruba name? |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:21pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Omobude244: Kudos |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:21pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Read this The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:27pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Boyooosa: Do you mean the aworis occupied every space in lagos, haha before Benin moved the capital of lagos from Badagry to lagos island, Lagos island was completely virginated, Benin were the first to settle in that area and soon trading began that brought in even the aworis benin controlled every part of lagos including ikeja So aworis alone do not own lagos, they own a large portion does not mean it's for them only |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 9:27pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:30pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Ijaya123: Read this The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Beuberry(f): 9:31pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:You think you v brain? Or you think I v not read history and verified facts before talking? Was it all Yorubas that was active in the civil wars? The civil war was mainly for Ibadan & Ekiti people. So it was never of concern towards Benin. Moreover, there was little or no trade towards Benin routes. Now listen, Benin have explanations to give if their name isn't Ile-Ibinu. They also v to explain to the world the meaning of too many Yoruba names, vocabularies in their palace, culture & tradition. They v lied that they owned most of them but were never able to tell their full meanings. Lastly, someone shared images of Orun Oba Ado today. Benins should tell us if it never existed or wasn't connected to them. And they should deny that Oranyan was never their first king. For now, tell them to tell the meaning of the following Ogun, Oba, Adesuwa (Adesewa), Osun, Eweka, etc. Lots about Benin are of Yoruba roots. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:35pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Praise name you couldn't provide author Or refrence to the book and the year it was written anyone can write anything on the Internet thesedays Evidence makes the difference Both of your sources are from nairaland Igbo defender is a nairaland troll https://www.google.com/url?q=https://igbodefender.com/21-praise-names-of-the-oba-of-benin-that-would-make-you-want-to-become-a-king/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjKl6qH1PuCAxWxWEEAHW2eA3kQFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw3u60scrmHk_jI7dcaYczHL
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:40pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Beuberry: Read this The history of oromiyan in Benin was formed and forged in the old western region to intergret the Benins and the oba as yorubas even to the extent of giving him the second position and displacing the alafin who was originally the second after the ooni of Ife although tho the oba of Benin accepted this offer at first but things didn't go as planned the other yoruba monarchs and together with the alafin of oyo was not happy with this new arrangement that the oba of Benin who is second after the ooni of Ife can't even speak yoruba language and so many other complains ensued from there, again the oba of Benin had a fall out with awolowo and other benin political aspirants and as a result pulling out of western region became thinkable and as soon as Midwestern region was created the oba of benin refuted the false history and the yorubas kings fired back and soon after the oba of Benin forged a counter history of ekaladeran and since then the history that started on falsehood became held seriously by many people who are unaware Read this The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba. Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1 Read this https://www.nairaland.com/7928662/yorubas-too-dey-lie-history#127271150 https://www.nairaland.com/7683383/another-reason-why-benin-ife Answer me this one provide me Any Evidence Of Benin-ife Connection Prior To 1475 To 1914, written or artefactal wise, Note Europeans documented every aspect of Benin life including food, human scrafice, her civil wars the Europeans ethnograpger visited the Benins palace from their first arrival till the fall of the empire, but how come they didn't see Benin-ife Connection, Benin carrying their dead oba heads to Ife throughout 400years contact with Benins |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:49pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Beuberry: Adesuwa is a Benin name it could sound similar we can only draw Conclusion if they have thesame meaning not sound, words sound alike alot Adesuwa mean road to success or road of success What does it mean in yoruba? Yorubas state which is ondo has boundary with edo villages it is normal for some of this idols to be found in Benin some benin villages are bingual benin&igbo, benin&yoruba and Co Benins dont worship idol as much, we are mainly animist. worshipers of the deceased but we have few idols of our own, olokun ayelala and ogun Benins and igbos share many words too, should we na say Beninz are igbos too Think |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by samz77: 9:53pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
zombieHUNTER:let's assume that the Efik tribe are laying claim about been the owner of igboland or being the earliest settler of any state in igboland. You will never see Yoruba people meddling in this kind of situation. But igbos una get problem una get problem walahi. you just like creating enemies for yourselves |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 9:59pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: LOL you're just beating around The only oshodi with a quick search on fb I saw was Benin people and Lagos people And general oshodi was the one who conquered lagos and brought the name to them The Tapa people adopted it because the oba of lagos gave it to them as a title now turned family name |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 10:05pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG: Yorubas saw us as relatives and paid us tribute as per say we marry their sister Clown 🤡 |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Beuberry(f): 10:09pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:Let's start with this. What's the meaning of Olokun, Ayelala & Ogun? Shey na Ondo Yorubas teach una again? Don't you reason that Benin was the most distant to aboriginal Ile-Ife thereby making them the most distant & out of touch? That's why they v similar culture to Ondos. Anyways tell the meaning of those guys above cos you v to tell me where Benin inherited or manufactured them. I m a daughter of fact & history. Adesuwa means Ade has good character. It can also mean Adesewa. It's originally an Ondo name cos they are the ones that called iwa (character) as uwa. Ade-se-ewa, Ade-su-uwa in syllables. Oya break it down in Benin word. If Benin's aren't idol worshippers wetin animists dey worship? Anyways that's bone of contention. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 10:09pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Raf4: Read this The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba. Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1 |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 10:11pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Raf4: The full name the Benins gave lagos is Ekonuame= the camp around waters 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Christistruth00: 10:16pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: Who is Igbodefender? Your History is fake Oshodi is a Yoruba' name Everyone one knows Ronke Oshodi Oke She is a famous Yoruba Actress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS14NOa2E-w?si=2mr_Y3rd-5txBTv0 |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by FreeStuffsNG: 10:18pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:That was in the past. It's now behind the Yoruba Pride goeth before a fall.
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 10:19pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Tell me you're not a 20yr old guy without literally telling me clown 🤡 |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Beuberry(f): 10:28pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:So you know Ekaladerhan was a forged history. Anyways Orun Oba Ado existed for a reason. In future, there ll still be more evidence of Benin coming out of Ife. Oranyan in Benin isn't a fallacy. Yorubas aren't dragging Benin to be their junior by force. In fact, the two tribes can be separate cos I dislike undue insults am seeing Benins throwing at Yorubas. And na dem go lose pass the day Nigeria splits cos it's a landlocked state. One of the evidence of Ife-Benin connections can be found in the artworks of Ife bronze and Benin bronze. Leo Frobenius unraveled Ife bronze n terracotta in 1925 in Ile-Ife. The artworks are so similar to Benin art except that Ife artworks were more naturalistic (looking more real). Also, theirs a narration that towards 15th century, Oba Oguola sent for casters from Ife to teach Benin artisans cire perdu. It's so obvious both tribes shared ideas looking at the artworks. In all, I think the disagreement of Benins in the correlation of their history with Yorubas deals with them trying to be of their own independent nation which is normal. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Procashtips(m): 10:28pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Raf4: Who's this? Oga,why were the Aworis paying tax to the Benin Kingdom if they were no war between both parties? It's on record that the Aworis paid isokale to the Benin Kingdom. This is a known history even though you guys are trying all means to change and twist history. https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/oba-of-benin-remains-head-of-traditional-rulers-edo/%3famp https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/ |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Procashtips(m): 10:36pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG: https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/benin-oyo-and-dahomey/ |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by FreeStuffsNG: 10:38pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Procashtips: Stressing that Oba Ewuare II’s claims are historically not correct, he added, “I read G.A. Akinola’s ‘The Origin of the Eweka Dynasty of Benin: A Study in the Use and Abuse of Oral Traditions (1976)’. In April 1973, the researcher was in the palace of the Oba of Benin, Akenzua II, on an interview appointment but the Oba changed his mind when he arrived. The Oba refused to speak with the man while he ‘wondered why a Yoruba should be interested in Benin history.’ “The researcher reported that his session with the king ended ‘with the Oba and his courtiers reminiscing about how Eko (that is Lagos) belongs to Benin by right of conquest long ago.’ I see a divergence here between the position of the current Oba of Benin and that of his ancestor, Akenzua II. The ancestor claimed Lagos as a war booty; the incumbent claims Lagos as a creation of his ancestors.” “So, how could the ancestors of the Oba of Benin have been the ones who brought into existence a settlement that they waged war against in 1603 but which received the Portuguese explorer, Rui de Sequeira, in 1472?” Olagunju wondered. https://punchng.com/oldest-history-books-say-yoruba-not-benin-founded-lagos/ Smh Sadly, it's been one lie after another further diminishing the Binis in the eyes of many. From the bursting of the Bini lie that the Oba of Benin never leaves the palace , internet era came and exposed the blatant lie. But for the expose by the internet, they would still continue with the lie whereas they knew it was a lie. Next was the lie that their Oba did not originate from Ile Ife and heads of past Oba of Benin were not buried in Ile Ife. The Yoruba elders and forebears were so very clever to preserve the history and location where the heads of past Oba of Benin were buried in Ile-Ife till date. It's called Orun Oba Ado. The 3rd lie is the attempt to claim a land, small part of Yorubaland on the fringe, that does not belong to them not knowing that the Yoruba documented it well. So will you packs of lies will continue to crumble. Pride goeth before a fall. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Procashtips(m): 10:42pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG: Like I expected, he didn't even click on the link I sent,yet assumed that it was Erelu that wrote the link I sent to him. The link is from a third party you noise making entity. Unlike you people that post what was written by one of you as 'evidence', the Benins use evidences witnessed by 3rd parties tens of years ago as evidence. You're like a Muslim claiming his/her neighbour's house is his/hers based on what the Quran said and not because they have a 3rd party evidence proving thus. You guys love to lie to yourselves thinking you're deceiving others. Noise makers. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by adefitim(m): 10:45pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
Two days ago it was “Igbo turn LAGOS from swamp to mega city “ Today it is “Benin founded LAGOS” Every body want to associate with good thing. I thought they said that Lagos is a glorified slump 2 Likes |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by SayNo2SmallPrik: 10:53pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
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