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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by whitejs: 11:02pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by akigbemaru: 11:06pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by lawani: 11:11pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
If we say who are the people today that are representative of the old Benin empire. They are the Itsekiri, Olukumi in Anioma, parts of Ekiti, parts of Ondo, Afemmai and etc. All these people are still speaking the lingua franca of the Benin empire. The biggest cities in the Benin empire were Benin, Akure and Warri (I were) other places were smaller. All the places spoke Yoruba and the smaller places in Igbo areas and etc had original settlers who were Yoruba but their language later changed as a result of new people and intermarriages as well as trade. Eko Akete or Lagos island could not have been more than a thousand settlers maximum at the beginning and they were Olukumi Yoruba not different from Itsekiri or Ugbodu people. The majority of present Eko Akete are however Awori and Awori are distinct from Olukumi though they are still thesame Yoruba or Ife people. 1 Like |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by pritypresh00: 11:34pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Karnice600: 11:47pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raydos: 11:56pm On Dec 06, 2023 |
The fact that it's not even only Lagos that bears the name "Èkó" in Yoruba land has sealed the deal, Because some Benin claimed "Eko" is a Benin word lol, Just like the word "Akin" a yoruba word for a Strong man And "Akin" A English word for something of similar nature Because these words almost sound the same and has the same spellings in both Yoruba and English does that make English people the owner of Yoruba language? Lol Here are 7 other places in Yoruba land that also bears the name "Èkó"
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 12:03am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Procashtips: Dahomey also paid isakole to Oyo empire. That doesn't mean Oyo founded Dahomey. Nobody is disputing that at some point Bini invaded Ereko and overpowered the Aworis. Eleko of Eko (Oba of Lagos) throne was established by Bini, but Bini never founded Lagos. Just like Ile-Ife people, led by Prince Oranmiyan, invaded Igodomigodo, renamed it Ile-Ibinu (now Bini) and established Obaship dynasty there till today. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 12:20am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Beuberry: Do you know benin have a strong cultural presence in ekiti and ondo, benin conquered those areas you're half baked in history don't call yourself names you're not entitled to Ask why ayelala is only found in edo and ondo As for the olokun it is there in my screenshot it says the worshipers of other orishas in the town of the ondo they are in would come to their house to join his parents who are Benins to watch in amazement the process of olokun worship This link would also explain the presence of Benins in ondo This is the link to my screenshot if you insist on reading it whole... You should! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://edofolks.com/html/pub70.htm&ved=2ahUKEwiV3-eO4PDpAhU6AmMBHaZeCvAQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2O2tdvNLC9WstfBOJD11C3&cshid=1591573439261 Benins and yorubas are almost very different The way edo state is close to a yoruba state is just thesame way kogi state is also close to a yoruba neighboring state, but yet Yoruba in kogi state still retain their yoruba Ness so why is that of the Benins different if we were truly yorubas proximity can have a little effect but no a whole effect on a tribe that is entirely different from another tribe
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 12:23am On Dec 07, 2023 |
[quote author=SayNo2SmallPrik post=127354473][/quote] I blame your useless father who can't control is urge and sired you Now you insult people's parents so they can insult yours |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 12:23am On Dec 07, 2023 |
[quote author=SayNo2SmallPrik post=127354473][/quote] I blame your useless father who can't control is urge and sired you Now you insult people's parents so they can insult yours SayNo2SmallPrik |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 12:23am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: Why didn't they establish another Ekonuame around gelegele or Asaba or Escravos or Warri or Ilaje etc that are very close or easier to access for them? Only to go over 400km aways to already occupied land that were surrounded by equally powerful Kingdoms like Ijebu, Ilaje, Dahomey and Oyo empire etc. Bini never named Eko. It's Ereko that it's being pronounced Eeko and finally Eko. This is very common in Yorubaland eg Eba-Odan to Ebadan and finally Ibadan. Oso Igbo to Osoogbo and finally to Osogbo etc |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Raf4: 12:28am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: Orun Oba Ado shrine is very much available in Ile-Ife till today. You can go to Ife for verification. It has always been there for centuries. You can also Google it. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 12:53am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Beuberry: Benin artwork is not smilar with Ife artwork Those Ife artworks was not made in Ife point of correction, tho found in Ife but researchers says it wasn't made in Ife, those artworks were purchased by art merchant that came not from Ife but other unknown places to sell to the Ife and ondo people who made use of it See I am more well read than you're The Benin artwork is very different from Ife, Benin have artworks and Ife does too meaning that Ife taught not just Benin art but also igbo ukwu too that also had artworks, that sounds funny stop forcing Benin and Ife connection to grow your history First Ife artwork was made from about 12 to 13 century Benin artworks started in 15 century 200 years after Ife artworks had gone extinct so who come magically teach Benin, so people cannot mircalously have talent for art and the ruler would help in enhancing it The techinqes and design are different in both Ife and Benin artworks like you said Ife art is realistic The usage is purely different Benin was for ointmental and recording keeping, purpose, Ife art was for religious purpose The chemical materials for the artworks are different from both tribe Lastly Ife people didn't make their artworks they were purchased from art merchant that may not be from Ife reason why the artworks do not show their cultural identity Saying Ife thought Benin artwork is like saying Europeans came to teach us how to eat, if one person developed the talent for art in a community which is a free gift from God the oba who appreciate it will find ways to enhance it... Can't that happen, must it come from somewhere The question is why did Ife not teach her fellow yoruba neighbours close to them the artwork.. Why benin, why benin head burial Only Benin don't you find all this fishy Read the previous message on the orun oba ado origin |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by lawani: 1:02am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican: Benin are Edoid people while Yoruba are Yoruboid. I think Edoid is the most concentrated component of the YEAI language group while Yoruba has substantial infusion of Nupe, Hausa, Kemitic Egyptian, Bariba, Fon and etc. If you remove all those from Yoruba language, then ninety percent of what will be left will be Edoid and Igboid words. The old Benin city was Yoruboid like Warri but it is now Edoid. The Edo were in the suburbs of Benin city but the old Benin city of over 50k people was no different from Warri in the past. The woman is wrong to say her ancestors were not Yoruba. My own maternal grandmother's family in Ipetu Ijesa the Alawiye family are from Benin but it was the Benin that was like Warri and if they spoke Edo at all it would be as a second language. The oriki of Alawiye family is omo onile ni Ado. People who are landlords in Benin (Ado). |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 1:02am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Raf4: Leo febonus did a digging there and nothing was found you dey whine So because some yoruba falsefully setup a structure to further buthress their false narrative we should take it serious clowns of a tribe Were is the alafin of oyo heads buried in Ife Where is the rest oduduwa children heads buried in Ife why only Benin, if una nor dey whine una head bunch of clowns Read this The historian who first came out with such a fallcious statement that the oba of Benin heads were being buried in Ife, was a benin historian with the name Dr jacob Egharevba. Egharevba earliest work is a mix of oral traditions and speculation which he corrected in his later works, however as a matter of fact it's a traditional practice in Benin that kings of the various vassals state, under Benin control would come back to bury the previous king heads in Benin in order to notify the oba that the previous monarchy was dead this journey to Benin can only be carried out by the incoming successor who will stay in Benin for months or years to learn the ways of the Benins before going back to take his father's position as king. however this practice was never a tradition in ile-Ife as no other of the supposed oduduwa sons had a burial site making it suspecious and fallacious from Egharevba who was equipped with the Benin oral history and had mix oral tradition of the Benins with his imagination to forge the orun oba ado tradition which he termed in his book `Ile Ife the final resting place of the oba of Benin' Egharevba had writing with no consultation or whatsoever and was not even close to the palace to begin with, his works lacked referencing other than just pure selfish intrest he could derive from the then watern region the edos where under at that time, Frank Willet a french historian did an excavation on the very orun oba ado site in 1969 hoping to find some truth in what yoruba belive to be an historical site, all nine site the excavation took place was empty and nothing was found in them it is of most importance to note that at the time the supposed myth of oromiyan visit to benin, her name was still called igodomigodo and not yet ado that originated from oba ewaure a long distance predecessor of oba eweka 1 Raf4 |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 1:13am On Dec 07, 2023 |
lawani: This man, you still never comot from Nl, Yoruba defender Anyway everything you said is baseless What of it we turn the table around and say the the yorubas were originally edos that due to the infusion of many tribes into the yoruba population their edoness diluted How you see your logic |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:15am On Dec 07, 2023 |
History is not researched in "history books". It is researched in eyewitness written documents. Below are a map of Africa published in 1747 and an earlier map (1600's) of west Africa: https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?currency=EUR&variant=43501503906022&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 1:15am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Raf4: Try and goggle Orun Oba Ado excavation site by Frank willet And get disappointed with what you wrote up there do me the favour and read it |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Thebadpolitican(m): 1:18am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Raf4: LOL those places you mentioned were under Benin control Try search Asaba relationship with Benin on goggle, if Benin was not stop the empire would Have occupied what is know as Nigeria now including the north |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:21am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Thebadpolitican:Take a look at the pre-colonial maps which I posted. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:23am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Stoplying:
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:27am On Dec 07, 2023 |
History is researched through eyewitness written documents not "history books". And as the eye-witnesses say it themselves, Lagos was a part of Benin. By the way, the earliest known contact between Benin and Europeans was in the 1400's, and all the eyewitness written documents of that era already state Lagos as being part of Benin, so I wonder what the revisionists are talking about when they say "Benin attacked Lagos" in 1603 ? I seriously wonder how long it will take before you guys finally catch up with developed countries and finally understand these things which I am talking about. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:37am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Map of Africa published in 1656: https://pvamu.libguides.com/c.php?g=1169977&p=8546593
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:41am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Map of Africa, created by s person who died in 1629: https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:cj82m435m "Benin, the King of this country is adored of the common people"
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:42am On Dec 07, 2023 |
This is how you research history. It is not about "history books" or stories. It is about documents written down hundreds of years ago by people describing what was in front of their eyes. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by OyinO: 1:43am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Oldest history books indeed. Neither the Benin nor the Yorubas are first to settle on that place called Lagos. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:50am On Dec 07, 2023 |
OyinO: The truth is that there is no way of knowing which set of people was in a location first, the question doesn't even make sense. Founding a kingdom and being the first people to live on a land are 2 things which Nigerians don't seem to be able to differentiate. Let me make this clearer to all: no human being can prove his specific group of people were the first to live in a certain geographical zone. It is possible that the Zulus of Southafrica were the first group of human beings to live in Lagos. It is possible that it were a community of Chinese who were the first people to live in Lagos. But the question is who founded Lagos ? And the answer is Benin. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:54am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Map published in 1638: https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/commonwealth:7h149z97c (Notice that huge kingdom of Biafara next to Kingdom of Benin) Benin was a large Kingdom, Benin city is only its capital city.
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Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by OyinO: 1:56am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Ghostagain: Lagos was not founded but was used as a port city by the Portuguese. The Benin people were only co-settlers with other groups that also settled on the islands in that geographical area. The Yorubas only used their close proximity in nearby Yoruba areas to flock in and takeover during and after colonial administration. |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 1:57am On Dec 07, 2023 |
OyinO:Where did you get this info from ? You see me bringing out evidence, and you come here to give me an unsubstantiated story ? The first maps of the region show Lagos as being part of Benin, not as being a Portuguese settlement! |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by Ghostagain: 2:03am On Dec 07, 2023 |
OyinO:The "yorubas" are not a homogenous group of people. Some of them are slave decendants from Brazil, Cuba ...or decendants from local escapee slaves like the egbas, some are from oyo kingdom (also called yarri.ba)... It is well recorded that Lagos was flooded by all these people as soon as the British took over Lagos in 1861 from Benin. The flooding continued well into postcolonial Nigeria and it is still ongoing today |
Re: Oldest History Books Say Yoruba Not Benin Founded Lagos by OyinO: 2:07am On Dec 07, 2023 |
Ghostagain: You want to intimidate me? Who gave Lagos its name? Is the word Lagos a Yoruba word? Are you not aware that all the Yoruba settlements carry or bear Yoruba names till date? So how come Yorubas founded Lagos without naming it according to native parlance? Colonial maps were based on crude estimates because the explorers and expeditors remained much at the coasts, so little was known of most areas. They used the people they like to dominate others. |
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