@olabowale,

olabowale:

Only a fool will take Pilgrim.1 seriously. Her one liners and other gimmicks are a means of release of her frustrations, if any at all, or certainly, a means of supressing her core insincerity of the the soul!

Instead of displaying that you are running low on your anti-depressants, just face issues as simply as you possibly can manage without all this hide-and-seek games you guys often play!

When I offered detailed answers, babs787 complained that I should be serving him one by one. Okay, I hear. When I served them one by one, he still complained that my rejoinders were long! Aiight, I hear. Then I started leaving summary responses because I saw no use in recycling answers to recycled questions. . . and then he was almost felicitating and remarking that my answers were not long as they use to be.

Now you come back here complaining that my answers are one-liners!! Una see una problem so?

If I come back and then begin to offer detailed responses again (as I did in the new thread for the FACT the Qur'an was given to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures), it will take days and loads of excuses for you guys to simply offer me the one verse I was asking for!!

When we were on Christmas break, the Muslim hordes tried to litter the Religious motherbaord of the forum - pretending that they had sent us scurrying away. We came to visit you just a few days before the New Years dawns, and you are all sweating out your cofusion and logging in and out like frightened chickens! What is all this convenience game about - has nobody told you guys yet that such is above your age?

olabowale:

How can a person who has a good soul enters Islam and later leaves it? It is impossible!

The person who has a good soul and leaves Islam has done the best thing for her soul that no man could ever offer her. If anything at all, she has left the religion of LYING for Allah in order to please Muhammad.

olabowale:

Only bad soul does leave Islam!

I hear. And those who remain in Islam are very "good", not so? Is that why we still find the same Muslims thrashing every single protest of Muhammad and still serving the tombs and graves all over the world? Is that why Muslims are pillaging people all over the world? Even with the much noised "monotheism" that is actually disguised polytheism, how has the tenetes of Islam educated you - when the same Qur'an (Sura 5 v 82) acknowledges that Christians are people who ae devoted to learning - and all we see from you guys are still the show-casing of illiteracy that has not been cured?

@olabowale,

olabowale:

I read Al Qur'an, more than just One style of writing. You Pilgrim.1, do not know anything about Qur'an.

I hear. That is why I have been asking you guys to please quote me the only verse that is helping your LIES all along to force words into Allah's mouth on things he never said! Where are the verses I asked for, please?

olabowale:

So stop pretending about it.

I haven't been pretending - that's why I posts the verses myself and offer FACTS!! Please upgrade your al-harm-dudu-LIES and cease the stories you often use to cover up real issues.

olabowale:

This is a matter of Spiritual knowledge. It is way beyond your level.

heheh. . . And suddenly, nobody can gain from your spiritual knowledge because you can no longer understand what to do with the verses I offered from the Qur'an? I am truly sorry for you.

olabowale:

We know that the father of Moses is Imran, the same father of Haruun.

Okay, I see. Was that why Muhammad referred to MARY as their sister when obviously she was seperated from them by centuries?

@mdsocks,

Ah-ah! Is it 9.30pm so soon again? You dey enjoy O! I no see you again online - so I go vamoose for work soon.

When you wake up, please leave your bloviates. . . and I will try and attend upon them whenever next I visit una for the Forum.

HAPPY NEW YEAR plenty-plenty!!

Do you expect me to spend all my time on nland?

mdsocks:

Do you expect me to spend all my time on nland?

Of course not! Afterall, I don't spend all my time on N/Land!

I was only wondering if it was 9.30pm again so soon at your end this morning!

@pilgrim

I was only wondering if it was 9.30pm again so soon at your end this morning!

Must you reply every post. You better take your time or else . Yeye girl

babs787:

@pilgrim

Must you reply every post. You better take your time or else . Yeye girl

Okay sir.

~ I must not reply every post.

~ I have not replied every post.

~ I will not reply every post.

If that makes you happy and releases your stress, I will wait for mdsocks to wake up after 9.30pm.

@babs787,

babs787:

@pilgrim

Must you reply every post. You better take your time or else . Yeye girl

I've just been told (by a Muslim friend) that my presence is a * * * * * to Muslims online.

So, I log off to allow you guys some "peace" for the rest of the week.


- - - - - - - - -
And to the person who sent me that email. . . I am sorry. I really do apologise for using the "al-harm-dudu-LIE" quip in some of my replies. I value your friendship, and will not seek to offend your sensibility as much. That is why I promised to come and apologise here instead of privately by email. Cheers.

@pilgrim.1

Okay sir.

~ I must not reply every post.

~ I have not replied every post.

~ I will not reply every post.

If that makes you happy and releases your stress, I will wait for mdsocks to wake up after 9.30pm.

Ok no prb. I am not stressed and will never be even though an very busy now.

I've just been told (by a Muslim friend) that my presence is a * * * * * to Muslims online.
So, I log off to allow you guys some "peace" for the rest of the week.

I dont think it is.

- - - - - - - - -
And to the person who sent me that email. . . I am sorry. I really do apologise for using the "al-harm-dudu-LIE" quip in some of my replies. I value your friendship, and will not seek to offend your sensibility as much. That is why I promised to come and apologise here instead of privately by email. Cheers.

Do you have to apologise when you will still repeat the same thing again? To be honest with you, I like you as a person though of different religion but hate your approaches to debates. You keep using vulgar language, forcing people to reply in the same manner which I for one dont like doing. Why not try showing moral in your post rather than your way of responding to issues?

@babs787,

babs787:

Do you have to apologise when you will still repeat the same thing again?

I promised *him I would apologise publicly - and I have done so. Whether I would repeat it is only a matter of whether Muslims behave themselves or not (he may not agree; but I have fulfilled my promise to him, and I expect Muslims to behave).

babs787:

To be honest with you, I like you as a person though of different religion but hate your approaches to debates.

He said exactly the same thing as above (well, almost precisely the same thing). I have not replied that part of his comment.

babs787:

You keep using vulgar language, forcing people to reply in the same manner which I for one don't like doing. Why not try showing moral in your post rather than your way of responding to issues?

I will try a bit more decorum. He asked the very same thing as you did; but I pointed out how many times I have personally asked Muslims like olabowale to respect the convictions of non-Muslims. He denied that was the case (even though I showed him the links); but rather than reply him in the same abusive tone he later used, I promised to come out here and apologise. . . just to let him understand that it is not my nature to return abuses to his parents as he did to mine. Not one time since we became friends have I insulted him - but he was really upset about the "al-harm-dudu-lie" thing and the one I posted earlier this morning about finding the word "allah" in wallah and other things.

I value his friendship; but since apologizing, he has been sending email after email and continued to direct his missives at my parents. When he said that my presence was a * * * * * (I don't want to print the word), that was why I said I would log off for the week to allow peace to Muslims.

Have I done badly? I wish you could peep into my e-box and see the sort of things he wrote. I know he did it because he was really upset; but I forgive him all the same!

mdsocks, You did not answer my question

First of all, i had retired to bed when all these ramblings where going on.

Its not that i don't know what to say or that.

I cannot distrupt my sleeping hours because of some simple issues you guys don't get over here.

Well, may I remind you that my question was originally directed at olabowale, not you. You voluntarily answered his question, and thus the onus is on you to clarify your position.

What is contradictory,

Do you seem to understand english atall.

Reread what i wrote their.

In persona, they are equal but in their works they are very different.

Perhaps you are the one confused and muddling issues. Your 'equality' statement only makes sense if you're saying that Jesus and Mohammed were both human beings - rather one being supernatural and the other human as we Christians believe - and if that is your point, then it is a moot and highly inconsequential one. By your own words, and as I said earlier, Mohammed's greater prophetic office in Islam makes him greater than Jesus in Islam! It does not make him super-human, or semi-divine, but it does make him the greater prophet. This is precisely what I said in my last post:

If Muhammed was the greatest in his works, as well as the seal of the prophets, then he had the 'greater' prophetic office - its that simple. No need playing an obfuscatory game of semantics here.

No more obfuscatory semantics! If Mohammed's emergence and work completes and supercedes Christ's as God's representative on earth, then what sense is to be made of an 'anti-Christ' challenging Christ's work eons after Mohammed completed and superceded that office? This only makes sense if the mission of both prophets were mutually exclusive - but your interpretation of Islam does not allow for this, for you said:

Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of isreal but Prophet muhammad was ent to The whole of mankind and he had a greater task at hand because he had the hardest of jobs to do.

Where are the Quranic sources to back up this statement? I see that you later quoted from the NT to buttress this. First of all your quotations suffer from the oh-so-repeated error of ignored context. Pilgrim1 has expertly dispensed with these. Secondly, using the NT to back up your point is clearly antithetical to your cause. The NT declares that prophets like Mohammed who deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and preach a different gospel than that of the apostles are liars that deserve eternal damnation! So the NT cannot help you here, for it emphatically rejects Mohammed's prophethood.
What you need to do is to bring out the relevant verses where the Quran states that Jesus was just for the Jews and Mohammed for the whole world.

In case you are still befuddled, my point is that the existense of the anti-Christ concept in Islam has certain problems that do not arise in Christianity. If Mohammed is the greatest prophet - and especially if Islam truly holds that Christ was just for the Jews - then how come this leader of a world-gripping apostasy is called the anti-Christ in Islam? Why anti-Christ? Why isn't this villain designated after Mohammed, who after had the worldwide manate according to you?

why log out?

Though i like the debate, but i must say i don't fancy d abusive part.

My posts are straight to the point and no personal grudge against anyone.


Pls, don't log out. just keep that bad part of you

longman83:

mdsocks, You did not answer my question

Answers were not forthcoming after 9.30pm!

longman83:

Well, may I remind you that my question was originally directed at olabowale, not you. You voluntarily answered his question, and thus the onus is on you to clarify your position.

Gbam!

mdsocks:

why log out?

Though i like the debate, but i must say i don't fancy d abusive part.

My posts are straight to the point and no personal grudge against anyone.


Please, don't log out. just keep that bad part of you

Lol. . . why do I get the feeling that the emailer must be someone from Nairaaland?

Anyway, I hear - I'm not saying that you're the emailer (because I've been friends with this chap longer than before I joined N/Land). I was going to log out to let peace flow. . . but he saw that as a sign of cowardice on my part and said he has discovered that the only thing that chases me is when my parents are insulted!

Since I am still online, the guys has been spewing all sorts of unprintable words - u no go believe say this guy get religion for him soul at all!

Where are the Quranic sources to back up this statement? I see that you later quoted from the NT to buttress this. First of all your quotations suffer from the oh-so-repeated error of ignored context. Pilgrim1 has expertly dispensed with these. Secondly, using the NT to back up your point is clearly antithetical to your cause. The NT declares that prophets like Muhammad who deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and preach a different gospel than that of the apostles are liars that deserve eternal damnation! So the NT cannot help you here, for it emphatically rejects Muhammad's prophethood.
What you need to do is to bring out the relevant verses where the Quran states that Jesus was just for the Jews and Muhammad for the whole world.

In case you are still befuddled, my point is that the existense of the anti-Christ concept in Islam has certain problems that do not arise in Christianity. If Muhammad is the greatest prophet - and especially if Islam truly holds that Christ was just for the Jews - then how come this leader of a world-gripping apostasy is called the anti-Christ in Islam? Why anti-Christ? Why isn't this villain designated after Muhammad, who after had the worldwide manate according to you?

Its christains that have a problem and not us, because you call him what he isn't.


And on why didn't muhammad take on the fight of the anti christ.

Every one of the prophets had his own destined work on earth. It is Allah (swt) that have laid down this. I have got no problem with that.

Yeepa!  

I beg I run O!! His vitriol now don turn to another thing!

mdsocks, you still haven't answered my question .

Its christains that have a problem and not us, because you call him what he isn't.

This is a red herring; irrelevant point.

And on why didn't muhammad take on the fight of the anti christ.

Every one of the prophets had his own destined work on earth. It is Allah (swt) that have laid down this. I have got no problem with that.

Straw-man tactic; another irrelevant point! I did not ask why Mohammed isn't sent to take on the anti-Christ; that was not my question! I asked why this arch-false prophet and leader of the greatest apostasy yet against God's message is designated after the Christ (anti-Christ) rather than after God's prime apostle in Islam, Mohammed? Why is he called the anti-Christ, and not, for instance, the anti-Mohammed, or anti-Muslim?

P.S. You know, there's is nothing wrong with saying you don't know the answer to my question - and I say this in good faith, not sarcastically.

You finally proved my point. You read one back in high school and now it is different?? Yet I still have the bible I got from my folks back in the 70's to this day and you want to tell me it has changed since then even though I read the same and have new ones today that read the same?? Thank you for confirming my point @Olabowale. I suggest again that you actually PICK UP A BOOK and READ IT. INstead of continuing this ramblings in here for no reason. You waste your own time when instead of actually reading the book, you come in to spout jargons. Again, I am not asking you to tell me what you have made your mind believe of the religion or the book, What I am asking you to do is simply pick up the book. Read a Chapter from beginning to end in PLAIN ENGLISH OR YORUBA, whichever of the two you are most fluent in and more able to understand.

Notice that I keep saying in my posts to you that I am not here to sell you Christianity but to get you to read a book as is instead of continually inserting your own words and meaning where it does not exist. I would rather spend my time outside melting snow in my yard with a mini hair dryer than spend it debating with someone who does not want to read up and make sure that what he has is even close to factual data but is instead quick to mouth off meaningless jargons over and over. I never asked you who switched from the one religion to the other. That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS POST OR ANY. Infact, I have seen people move into a Life of crime after years of doing good in society. Does that then mean that we should all follow the path they followed cause they did??

READ THE BOOK AND READ IT AS IS and then come back to speak.

@Kokojunkie:Yourvictory lap makes sense, only to you and the rest of Christianity. I do not have to reread the Bible. I read a version in high school, which is different from what the sets that came just mere 3 years after me had to read. My mother had English and Yoruba Bibles, in the house. Thank Allah, she reverted just few years ago, into Islam. The best event of my life, yet. I have spoken to many people, especially Igbos who are now Muslims. I didn't do anything, but Allah did everything. Its like the event of throwing a fist full of sand, by Muhammad in the direction of the Makkans, in the first fight, which the Muslims fought against the disbelievers of Makka. Its known as the Battle of Badr.

Badr is a well, so they named the fight after it. Mercy of this battle is that before the parties engaged themselves, it just so happened that Muhammad and his just over 330 ill equiped men gained the groud/position that included the well. When the makkans needed water, the Muslims allowed them. Just tell me is there any group that can do that? That did it before  and even since, including the last crisis and currently going on between peoples? If one had an advantage to over the other in terms of msuch aresource, it is employed to make the other weaker, so that easy victory could be archieved!

@ mdsocks,

Where is the answer to Longman's straightforward and poignant question?

If indeed Jesus Christ was sent ONLY to the house of Isreal while Mohamed was sent to the whole world . . . why then is there an anti-christ? Why is there no anti-mohammed? I reproduce longman's question here:

longman83:

Straw-man tactic; another irrelevant point! I did not ask why Muhammad isn't sent to take on the anti-Christ; that was not my question![size=13pt] I asked why this arch-false prophet and leader of the greatest apostasy yet against God's message is designated after the Christ (anti-Christ) rather than after God's prime apostle in Islam, Muhammad? Why is he called the anti-Christ, and not, for instance, the anti-Muhammad, or anti-Muslim?[/size]

@Kokojunkie: I read Bible pre 1970. Post 1970, the freshmen were served different Bibles! I am not going to compare experiences here! However, you sound like an Igbo man, and if am wrong, since I do not know what I do not know, I apologise. But by and large, the Igbos are mainly Catholics. Whats your explanation to the difference of their catholic Bible versus your Bible if you are not a Catholic? Your answer will be interesting to know. Let me talk about another subject: the Anti-Christ versus why not Anti-Muhammad?

Straw-man tactic; another irrelevant point! I did not ask why Muhammad isn't sent to take on the anti-Christ; that was not my question! I asked why this arch-false prophet and leader of the greatest apostasy yet against God's message is designated after the Christ (anti-Christ) rather than after God's prime apostle in Islam, Muhammad? Why is he called the anti-Christ, and not, for instance, the anti-Muhammad, or anti-Muslim?

P.S. You know, there's is nothing wrong with saying you don't know the answer to my question - and I say this in good faith, not sarcastically.

: As I entered my morning Prayer this morning, my heart wondered to the defeat of the Confederate in Surah Ahzab. I remember that in Id's Takbir, the Muslims say about Allah, 'And 9(Allah, you) singly defeated the aggressive Confederates.' And there was my answer.

So I supplicated to my Lord and search the Qur'an and the tafsir of many ayah. I realised that in the Qur'an Musa and Muhammad individual status were very clear, and never were in dispute by their people. In the case of Isa, his mother had to be defended and honored, as appropriate against the lies of her people. Isa also had to be defended against the refusal of the Jews and then the over compensation of the Christians who set him up as a partner or lord beside his Creator.

We also see in the Qur'an that Moses defeated Pharaoh, who was a mighty civilization and Muhammad defeated the Idolators of Makka. These two prophets of God were believers while they defeated by God's permission the disbelieving powers of their time. They also were accepted as rulers over their peoples.

In the case of Jesus, he was never a success as a ruler over his people. Infact, they rejected him. He did not defeat any one. infact the Christians report in their Bible that the Jews, his people killed him, with help of the Roman ruling people.

Now that Jesus had failed in the two tests, Allah will use him amongs the signs of the end of time. He will be returned as stated in the Qur'an. He will practice Islam as already established by Muhammad. He will not lead it, but a member of it. He will be a just ruler and he does not have to be the Imam, while he is a just ruler. In this state the Anti-Christ, who will be the sign of disbelief of his time, will be raised up to challenge him! Jesus will defeat him and have his victory. He will be accepted by the believing people any way, but he will kill the pigs, break the cross and judge according to Sharia of his Lord. He will live out his life and dies, for the very first time.

And the Muslims never considered Jesus to be false prophet, anyway. We just say that he is no god or lord. He never said that anyone should worship him, while he was alive. If you have any proof, please bring it out. All the lord/god, worship mambo jambo, was after he had been raised up. I am waiting and I only have 30 minutes before I start preparing for Good Friday!

@Davidylan: Instead of just asking the Muslims to answer questions, while you deflects every questions raised by the Muslims, please answer this for me: I love you regardless of your sure failure to do a good job of it. But I want you to try, as a Tiger, you got Guts, unlike the Yellow belly Jelly belly folks;

Deut. 18 verse 18; Please give me the answers of the two individual personalities: John the Baptist first and Jesus son of Mary second. Compare their answers to each other on the three persons/Prophets in the question: Elijah, Messiah and 'that Prophet?' This is my fisrt and I have already answered your man's question. Longman83, that is.

@ pilgrim that ah-mad-dudu-lie was a knock out invention.

even me,I got a threatening email from a female saying all sorts of things.
I don't know if olabs and babs are sending their lovers after me

God dey!

olabowale:

In the case of Jesus, he was never a success as a ruler over his people. Infact, they rejected him. He did not defeat any one. infact the Christians report in their Bible that the Jews, his people killed him, with help of the Roman ruling people.

Now that Jesus had failed in the two tests, Allah will use him amongs the signs of the end of time. He will be returned as stated in the Qur'an. He will practice Islam as already established by Muhammad. He will not lead it, but a member of it. He will be a just ruler and he does not have to be the Imam, while he is a just ruler. In this state the Anti-Christ, who will be the sign of disbelief of his time, will be raised up to challenge him! Jesus will defeat him and have his victory. He will be accepted by the believing people any way, but he will kill the pigs, break the cross and judge according to Sharia of his Lord. He will live out his life and dies, for the very first time.

And the Muslims never considered Jesus to be false prophet, anyway. We just say that he is no god or lord. He never said that anyone should worship him, while he was alive. If you have any proof, please bring it out. All the lord/god, worship mambo jambo, was after he had been raised up. I am waiting and I only have 30 minutes before I start preparing for Good Friday!

1. Your long story is meaningless unless you can expressly show us in the quran or hadith where allah ever said any of the above. Dont attempt to make up ur own tales.

2. Look at the two phrases in bold. . . If Jesus Christ NEVER DIED but ascended into heaven, why did allah allow mohammed to see the grave?

3. Do you know which tribe or nation your Issa is coming to rule over? What is the sign of his coming?

Time for ENGLISH lessons then,

I DARE you to post the VErses that YOU CLAIM have changed @Olabowale,  Pull out your Dictionary pre 1970 and your Dictionary Today and then pull out those PRe 1970 verses you claim said one thing and the post 1970 verses that you said say something else. I hate it when people lie. Show me Proof and let us see how the stories and chapters have changed @Olabowale,  For once in your life I urge you to be honest enough to post those verses and let us see if they are any different from the one I read myself and what I have today @Olabowale, 


Where in my posts did I attempt to explain the difference between a catholic bible versus a Bible,  Are you insane? Are You now trying to make this about Catholic vs Protestant instead?? Please FOCUS on the issue here and show me proof of your claims. NO IDIOTIC RAMBLINGS needed please. Just show me the stories that have changed post 1970 as you claim.

olabowale:

@Kokojunkie: I read Bible pre 1970. Post 1970, the freshmen were served different Bibles! I am not going to compare experiences here! However, you sound like an Igbo man, and if am wrong, since I do not know what I do not know, I apologise. But by and large, the Igbos are mainly Catholics. Whats your explanation to the difference of their catholic Bible versus your Bible if you are not a Catholic? Your answer will be interesting to know. Let me talk about another subject: the Anti-Christ versus why not Anti-Muhammad?
: As I entered my morning Prayer this morning, my heart wondered to the defeat of the Confederate in Surah Ahzab. I remember that in Id's Takbir, the Muslims say about Allah, 'And 9(Allah, you) singly defeated the aggressive Confederates.' And there was my answer.

So I supplicated to my Lord and search the Qur'an and the tafsir of many ayah. I realised that in the Qur'an Musa and Muhammad individual status were very clear, and never were in dispute by their people. In the case of Isa, his mother had to be defended and honored, as appropriate against the lies of her people. Isa also had to be defended against the refusal of the Jews and then the over compensation of the Christians who set him up as a partner or lord beside his Creator.

We also see in the Qur'an that Moses defeated Pharaoh, who was a mighty civilization and Muhammad defeated the Idolators of Makka. These two prophets of God were believers while they defeated by God's permission the disbelieving powers of their time. They also were accepted as rulers over their peoples.

In the case of Jesus, he was never a success as a ruler over his people. Infact, they rejected him. He did not defeat any one. infact the Christians report in their Bible that the Jews, his people killed him, with help of the Roman ruling people.

Now that Jesus had failed in the two tests, Allah will use him amongs the signs of the end of time. He will be returned as stated in the Qur'an. He will practice Islam as already established by Muhammad. He will not lead it, but a member of it. He will be a just ruler and he does not have to be the Imam, while he is a just ruler. In this state the Anti-Christ, who will be the sign of disbelief of his time, will be raised up to challenge him! Jesus will defeat him and have his victory. He will be accepted by the believing people any way, but he will kill the pigs, break the cross and judge according to Sharia of his Lord. He will live out his life and dies, for the very first time.

And the Muslims never considered Jesus to be false prophet, anyway. We just say that he is no god or lord. He never said that anyone should worship him, while he was alive. If you have any proof, please bring it out. All the lord/god, worship mambo jambo, was after he had been raised up. I am waiting and I only have 30 minutes before I start preparing for Good Friday!

@kobojunkie

I DARE you to post the VErses that YOU CLAIM have changed @Olabowale, Pull out your Dictionary pre 1970 and your Dictionary Today and then pull out those PRe 1970 verses you claim said one thing and the post 1970 verses that you said say something else. I hate it when people lie. Show me Proof and let us see how the stories and chapters have changed @Olabowale, For once in your life I urge you to be honest enough to post those verses and let us see if they are any different from the one I read myself and what I have today @Olabowale,

Hold your breath. What I supply you early publications that were having some verses missing but inserted in recent versions yet the are claiing to have copied same from original manuscript?

Are you prepared for that?

@kobojunkie

I DARE you to post the VErses that YOU CLAIM have changed @Olabowale,  Pull out your Dictionary pre 1970 and your Dictionary Today and then pull out those PRe 1970 verses you claim said one thing and the post 1970 verses that you said say something else. I hate it when people lie. Show me Proof and let us see how the stories and chapters have changed @Olabowale,  For once in your life I urge you to be honest enough to post those verses and let us see if they are any different from the one I read myself and what I have today @Olabowale,  

Hold your breath. What if I supply you early publications that were having some verses missing but inserted in recent versions yet they are claiming to have copied same from original manuscript?

Are you prepared for that?

Dictionary sites for you to book mark while we take this roller coaster ride you want to take us on. No need to google for verses,  show me actual verses you have read yourself that have changed. If you can not read and explain what you read, do realize I would rather go melt snow outside with a blow drier than spend my time on a drive-by muslim with Bible language issues??

http://www.webster.com/

www.theFreeDictionary.Com

http://www.etymonline.com


Start with one ,  still waiting!!

@Kokojunkie: My brother relax. InshaAllah, I will not be too busy to respond to you. But one thing is this, are the catholic not Christians? Is the protestant sects of Christianity not an offshoot from Catholicism? Is not the catholic Bible the mother of the protestant Bible? If you use the analogy of the Chicken and the egg, Catholic sect of Christianity has to be the Chicken that laid the first set of Christian protestant sects. It is the Chicken that incubated it and allows it to hatch to chicks. Yet, it is this chick that is trying to be the Hawk that is trying to eat its benefactor, mother hen for lunch! Pilgrim.1, my Princess knows what am talking about. she has a field day bashing them on some threads. I have seen her handwork and i have asked her to show her claimed similarity of Catholic to Islam, or vis versa. Am still waiting and she aint done it yet. This is my ebonics and am sticking to it. lol.

You have your answer from the two Bibles. I will come back for you, tonight. But Babs727 already answered your Bible misery about Verses missing or relegated to common footnotes in others. But you refuse to read and you are talking about snow in Ohio. You will be blowing all night! Your neighbors will be taking your pictures and sending them to National geographic to illustrate the conditions of indigenous Africans in America! Do not do it. Its best that you change religion! Islam is waiting for you. We need to have everybody in igbo to be in it. You got to be in it to be a winner with God.

Are the Igbo catholic not Christians? It will be interesting to hear your view on this one. I will have something to talk to Dr. Valentine Okeke about.

olabowale:

@Kokojunkie: My brother relax. InshaAllah, I will not be too busy to respond to you. But one thing is this, are the catholic not Christians? Is the protestant sects of Christianity not an offshoot from Catholicism? Is not the catholic Bible the mother of the protestant Bible? If you use the analogy of the Chicken and the egg, Catholic sect of Christianity has to be the Chicken that laid the first set of Christian protestant sects. It is the Chicken that incubated it and allows it to hatch to chicks. Yet, it is this chick that is trying to be the Hawk that is trying to eat its benefactor, mother hen for lunch! Pilgrim.1, my Princess knows what am talking about. she has a field day bashing them on some threads. I have seen her handwork and i have asked her to show her claimed similarity of Catholic to Islam, or vis versa. Am still waiting and she aint done it yet. This is my ebonics and am sticking to it. lol.

You have your answer from the two Bibles. I will come back for you, tonight. But Babs727 already answered your Bible misery about Verses missing or relegated to common footnotes in others. But you refuse to read and you are talking about snow in Ohio. You will be blowing all night! Your neighbors will be taking your pictures and sending them to National geographic to illustrate the conditions of indigenous Africans in America! Do not do it. Its best that you change religion! Islam is waiting for you. We need to have everybody in igbo to be in it. You got to be in it to be a winner with God.

Are the Igbo catholic not Christians? It will be interesting to hear your view on this one. I will have something to talk to Dr. Valentine Okeke about.

Again, stop deviating from the topic. I don't give a darn what ibos want to believe. If they want to be catholics, are you God to stop them?? if they choose to be protestants?? what has it to do with this discussion?? Seriously, you still come back with the same babblings instead of going straight to the point with me. Notice how I stick to what I am talking about in here?? Why is that hard for you to do ?? What verses did babs post to support your claim of pre and post 70's change?? Are you senile or what ?? You are beginning to irritate the heck out of me with this chicken game you keep playing. What the heck is wrong with you?? Can't you ever stay focused and actually deal with claims you make without trying to shoot off in another direction??sheeeeesh!!!

@Davidylan: I wo omo yi, o ni pa mi. Jeje mi ni mo nlo o! I give you my Lagos excuse. Let me ask you this if Allah says in the Qur'an that every creation shall taste death. Then in another, states that Jesus was not killed and was not crucified. Yet in another, He says that He raised Jesus up. Still, in another He says Jesus is going to come back. And yet in another, He says that every face will perish (die), except His own Face. All these verses are to be fulfilled before the Judgement day. Then how do you think that Jesus will not die, as per all of the above from the Qur'an, when he returns? It is you who have this convoluted crazy idea (thinking), that you are going to meet him in the cloud and grow wings (my idea), and go with him to whereever. I guess the Christian heaven. lol. I always enjoy your style, Davidylan. So do not mind me. Pilgrim said am running low on antidepressant, anyhow. Yet am surrounded by many Doctors in my life. She sees my condition all the way from ilu oyinbo! Orishi rishi. Am using Mrpataki's favorite expression.

Now David, Jesus is coming down from the cloud, according to the Christians, you fly up or spring up to meet him in the cloud. He will be coming down to the ground and you will come with him? Or he will  not come down to the ground, because you people, are already in the mid air, like airplanes or gliders, because you have taking up like space shuttle/rocket anyhow? When you give me an answer, I have a classic for ages as my response to you. If this will not turn you off from Christianity, I will go into BIG DADDY mode on you. But let me give you an inside track to my two part question, depending on if he touches the ground or not since you have rush precipitately to join him before he reaches the ground. Its about Antichrist and his duties. I will look at it from the Biblical points of view and then give you the KO punch! My famous jib jab!

Ten gbosa for you. No. thats too small. 10 raised to power 10 is more like it. Enjoy.

Alhaji, i have just 2 (TWO) questions:

1. How are muslims expecting Jesus? Will he be born as a baby?

2. Why is there an anti-christ and NO anti-mohammed?

@Davidylan: Baba agba, 1000 to the power 1000 gbosa for you. The Muslims are expecting Jesus as he had left the earth; a grown man. Not as a baby. The second question, it is only known by the Sender of Jesus son Mary, his Lord Allah the Almighty. You, me, Jesus, no one knows. Did you see my entry about Antichrist? My question to you are you going to try to answer it? Don't forget that you are a Tiger and you ain't backing down for no body, no how.

Again will Jesus be touching down on the ground since the Christians will meet him in the clouds. I guess you will just go home to Christian heaven. I wanna know this and again i have a classic for you.