Zikkyy:

i want to ask, do you have plans of having ya self nailed to a cross in the near future

christemmbassey: i love ur post, especially the quoted scriptures, however what is lacking is what we call 'the present hour truth' IT IS NOT TRUE that as a christian (born again) you have two natures cos the bible says "he is a NEW CREATION" the man who is not born again has Adamic (old) nature ie 'schookay ordinary human life mostly controlled by 5senses of flesh and can not help but sin, but the christian is born again, recreated in Christ Jesus (eph2:10), he is NEW 2cor5:17 ie he never existed. He is born of God with the life(zoe) and nature of God 1Peter1:23, this man is holy and righteous and never sined Romans4:25-5:1 and can not sin because according to John there's something that 'remains' in him 1jn3:9.'this is the present hour truth' Now the problem with most christians is they choose to believe their experience than God, for me, i've decidf to believe God a long time ago, if He says that am holy and righteouse, i say, yes lord i am, if He says i am his workmanship (eph2:10) and that i 2n not sin, i confess (homologia) it. The scripture says in 1john1:7, "if we walk in the light(GOD'S WORD) as he is in the light, we have fellomship one with another........" man is not the body, the body is house , man is spirit and the christian is a super spirit being, man is God. As he is so are we in this world.

shdemidemi:

I am tempted to paste you the whole of Romans 7 but I refrain

Romans 7:17-19
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
17 But I am not really the one doing the evil. It is sin living in me that does it. 18 Yes, I know that nothing good lives in me—I mean nothing good lives in the part of me that is not spiritual. I want to do what is good, but I don’t do it. 19 I don’t do the good that I want to do. I do the evil that I don’t want to do.

I hope you take time to study that whole chapter, you will understand the portrait of man.

Image123:
unfortunately, what gosh is teaching is the most complicated interpretation i ever saw as regards obeying God.

christemmbassey: pls read 25 into chapter 8, Paul was relieving his life in the flesh experience, so when the TRUTH hit him, he exclaimed, "there is therefor now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the FLESH but after the SPIRIT.." why? because he was walking in the flesh in chapter 7, pls study the whole of 8, it will bless you, many christians are walking in the flesh and believe so much on their fleshy experience like Paul in chapter 7. I choose to believe God irrespective of what i feel or go through, odawise how will i walk in the reality of Rm8:28. James said that the man that is blessed is the man who look continously at the perfect law of liberty-jm1:23-25. Pls do me a favour, study the whole of Rm7 into the whole of chapter 8 and let the spirit minister the truth the sets men free so that you too 2n cönfess, exclaim, and proclaim, 'the present hour truth' PRAISE GOD, I AM HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS!. Oh i wish, ' can make you undastand what we got in the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ

shdemidemi:

Haaa bro these your bolded statements ehn, a whole Apostle Paul hmmmm. Please get the man and the message he was passing across. I don't know if its right to say this but I will 'the most spiritual Apostle is Paul', at least more spiritual than any man on the face of the heart right now (I talk as a man)

From your previous post you said 'man is not the body, the body is house , man is spirit and the christian is a super spirit being, man is God. As he is so are we in this world.' But I say man is made up of body soul and spirit, our invisible spirit is what is made of the image of God cos God the father is invisible. Within these three components while in the body, you are still not immune from sin). Apostle Paul will then say

Romans 7:14-25
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
The War Inside Us

14 We know that the law is spiritual, but I am not. I am so human. Sin rules me as if I were its slave. 15 I don’t understand why I act the way I do. I don’t do the good I want to do, and I do the evil I hate. 16 And if I don’t want to do what I do, that means I agree that the law is good. 17 But I am not really the one doing the evil. It is sin living in me that does it. 18 Yes, I know that nothing good lives in me—I mean nothing good lives in the part of me that is not spiritual. I want to do what is good, but I don’t do it. 19 I don’t do the good that I want to do. I do the evil that I don’t want to do. 20 So if I do what I don’t want to do, then I am not really the one doing it. It is the sin living in me that does it.

21 So I have learned this rule: When I want to do good, evil is there with me. 22 In my mind I am happy with God’s law. 23 But I see another law working in my body. That law makes war against the law that my mind accepts. That other law working in my body is the law of sin, and that law makes me its prisoner. 24 What a miserable person I am! Who will save me from this body that brings me death? 25 I thank God for his salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So in my mind I am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful self I am a slave to the law of sin.



NB this war in us is restricted to only Christians .

christemmbassey: my brother if u check some of my posts i allways shouted that some ppl problem is Paul, remove Paul,, some ppl may manage. Pls sir, Paul was not writting what he was currently going through, but it was a mere analogy(if that's the correct word) i am a preacher, sometimes while teaching i can bring in a semblance of real life situation to drive home my point. Paul was relieving his experience as a law follower, the fruitless efforts he made while tryiog to do good by the flesh, and declared the hopeless situation that the law followers found themselves and then thanked God for Jesus in verse 25 and in chapter 8 spelled out the condition of the man who rejects the law of sin and death which ruled the flesh and embrase the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus ie Grace. Christ died so that if any man believes in him will have eternal life (zoe) and in this life there is no conflict. The dif is what you believe. If you believe, you have a conflicting life , you do have it, but me i believe i am more than a conqueror, am a winner, wealthy and healthy no matter my experiences, i follow truth, and truth is what God says. Remain blessed.

shdemidemi:

Ok let me get your stand now, you believe by the fact that you accept Christ today, you can't lie anymore or commit any other form of sin that has been made known by the law?

shdemidemi:

Ok let me get your stand now, you believe by the fact that you accept Christ today, you can't lie anymore or commit any other form of sin that has been made known by the law?

christemmbassey: yes if i cötinue to look at the perffct law of liberty(jm1:23-25 because thats what Grace made me. However i may sin if i remove my eyes from Grace, now i said, it doesnt matter my experiences i am what God says i am, Paul said do not conform, accept, agree, or yield to the aions arround you, but be transform, change, be made new by what God says .

shdemidemi:

Please be more direct with here, forget grace for now. Grace only makes us look as if we are righteous before God because of the blood of Christ. Between you and me have you committed any sin this month. Pls answer sincerely.

christemmbassey: sin is the transgression of the law, how can a christian who has been given no law commit sin? Sorry i dont commit sin, i am righteous and the life i live in my body, i live by faith of Jesus.

christemmbassey: sin is the transgression of the law, how can a christian who has been given no law commit sin? Sorry i dont commit sin, i am righteous and the life i live in my body, i live by faith of Jesus.

Goshen360: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2 Corinthians 3:7

The 10 commandments and law of Moses keepers, what say ye all? The same moral laws, 10 commandment that some folks here are hard die to is the same what scriptures called ministry of death and says it is done away or brought to an end. In Christ, I have life, not death. John 10:10.

shdemidemi:

Yes a Christian can commit sin but His Belief in Christ has made him righteous through the blood of Christ.. God gave the law to reveal what sin is.you are not under the law but you now know what sin is.

Goshen360: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2 Corinthians 3:7

The 10 commandments and law of Moses keepers, what say ye all? The same moral laws, 10 commandment that some folks here are hard die to is the same what scriptures called ministry of death and says it is done away or brought to an end. In Christ, I have life, not death. John 10:10.

Bidam: yeah indeed we have life in Christ..but don't go cherry picking scriptures..Both the OT and NT are complete.without the old there won't be a new..see it in that light..even Moses was a type of CHRIST

Bidam: yeah indeed we have life in Christ..but don't go cherry picking scriptures..Both the OT and NT are complete.without the old there won't be a new..see it in that light..even Moses was a type of CHRIST

christemmbassey: how can you have LIFE and still commit sin? Bible says, "a christian can not commit sin"1jn3:9.

Goshen360:

Bidam, you and I are cool if we interpret scriptures rightly. I HAVE NEVER SAID I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE OLD. What I'm simply saying is Christian people are under a better covenant and rather than folks trying to understand and live their better covenant, they're binding themselves with the covenant that is DONE AWAY WITH. My message is simple!

MostHigh:

so after your belif in the "old" what other action is there?

shdemidemi: It's good to know what happened in the old but it adds noting to you as regards salvation

As far as God is concerned your likes are condemned in the Old Testament,if you were to be around at that time you would have perished

He elected you through Christ and Christ has given a mandate and a gospel, why go back to live in the past when you were not in the equation instead of holding firm to the gospel of love through faith towards hope of the coming of Christ.

Bidam:
No one is disputing his election by grace..but shall we continue to sin that grace may abound?

Bidam:
THIS IS AN ERROR it actually adds because we now have a full understanding why Christ came to earth.

Zikkyy:

is it the mosaic law that will stop you from sin?

Zikkyy: Now that you have received full understanding why can't you just move on

Bidam: .THIS IS AN ERROR it actually adds because we now have a full understanding why Christ came to earth. Joseph and Moses were DELIVERERS in their own right. God sent them.

Now that you know, why are you still living in the past-

Ephesians 3:4-5
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
4 And if you read what I wrote, you can see that I understand the secret truth about Christ. 5 People who lived in other times were not told that secret truth. But now, through the Spirit, God has made it known to his holy apostles and prophets.

Are you telling us GOD is wicked by making people perish in the old days?The law was there to judge wrong doers.He loves sinners but hate sin. even the amorites who were not even HIS chosen people, their cup of iniquities has to be full before they were punished.

That is you exhibiting emotions,God is moved by your faith and not emotions. He chose Israel and now believers, if you really want to question anybody, it should be God cos I didn't write it there.

As for the Amorites, they were spiritually condemned already. Their destruction was only earthly.


No one is disputing his election by grace..but shall we continue to sin that grace may abound?When HE returns will He find faith in the earth? He is coming to judge both the living and dead because He is a law giver and a judge,it has pleased the Father to make it so..let no man tell you otherwise.

Bidam:
nope.the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ has set me free from the law of sin and death.

shdemidemi: Now that you know, why are you still living in the past-

shdemidemi: And if you read what I wrote, you can see that I understand the secret truth about Christ. 5[b] People who lived in other times were not told that secret truth. [/b]But now, through the Spirit, God has made it known to his holy apostles and prophets.

shdemidemi: That is you exhibiting emotions,God is moved by your faith and not emotions. He chose Israel and now believers, if you really want to question anybody, it should be God cos I didn't write it there.

shdemidemi: Same question the roman church asked Paul, 6 So do you think we should continue sinning so that God will give us more and more grace? Paul replied saying
Romans 6
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Dead to Sin but Alive in Christ

2 Of course not! Our old sinful life ended. It’s dead. So how can we continue living in sin? 3 Did you forget that all of us became part of Christ Jesus when we were baptized? In our baptism we shared in his death. 4 So when we were baptized, we were buried with Christ and took part in his death. And just as Christ was raised from death by the wonderful power of the Father, so we can now live a new life.