shdemidemi: For us to understand the issue of law, we need to answer and understand these two questions


1) why did God give the nation of israel these laws were
2)why was the law of Moses given to Israelites and not all humans

I love you brother, not because we share same insight but you have the understanding of the word. Peace!

Goshen360:

why NOT address the issue instead of putting a wolfish grin..just cos i said tithe..smh

Bidam: My understanding is that the old covenant of the law of moses established a system of regulated behavior in Israel. In the new covenant of grace the heart of man becomes the living stone on the inside upon which God writes his heart-law. so me paying my tithes for instance is not borne out of a regulated format or because am following the mosaic law but am actually obeying Christ from the heart which comes from a product of revelation. I don't obey Christ unto death because somebody told me to do it. I obey Christ unto death because i have seen Jesus in His glory, and that becomes what i desire. Obedience becomes a joyful activity.

If you preach your tenth giving as coming from the heart instead of the usual "it is a command by God according to Malachi or .......", I don't think peeps will argue over it.

shdemidemi: For us to understand the issue of law, we need to answer and understand these two questions


1) why did God give the nation of israel these laws were
2)why was the law of Moses given to Israelites and not all humans

I will answer the 2nd question first for clarity sake..

The law was given to Israel because of a promise given to Abraham by God. We must note that Abraham did not do anything before God chose/ elected him contrary to popular belief that we have to be good/work for God to elect us. The bible says 'Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness' Gen15v6, God made a promise to Abraham and His descendants,they became God's chosen race. Therefore, everybody else aside the seeds of Abraham were already condemned.

Now, the first question
Galatians 3:19-27
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
19 So what was the law for? The law was given to show the wrong things people do. The law would continue [b]until the special Descendant of Abraham came. [/b]This is the Descendant mentioned in the promise, which came directly from God. But the law was given through angels, and the angels used Moses as a mediator to give the law to the people. 20 But when God gave the promise, there was no mediator, because a mediator is not needed when there is only one side, and God is one.

The scripture says the law came to reveal the sin of man, but God gave the Jews a way to atone for their sins through sacrifice for atonement of sin, which they did yearly. Remember the law is not forever from the above quote, it will exist until Christ come.

Christ arrived under the law, but He had to offer himself as the sacrifice to start a new covenant and to propitiate for the sin of the world (not just the Jews).The caveat here is for us to believe just as Abraham did to be righteous and not by any good works.

Man is made up of spirit mind and body..when we come to Christ our spirit is saved not our flesh. We need to renew our mind by the word of God because out of the mind are issues of life proverbs 4:23, which inevitably compress the sin nature(body).

Bidam: why NOT address the issue instead of putting a wolfish grin..just cos i said tithe..smh

So you sabi why I dey laugh you abi? You're really in the spirit on the Lord's day . No worry, pepper go soon rest for prophetic pocket

Goshen360:

Cool down, quit childishness and understand the 'spirit' behind my statement, which is, such questions as yours are not a yes or no answers that is required except you're looking to catch people by their words rather than understand they're saying.

Again, I already told you I will answer in due time but coming back to tell me if I don't wanna answer or choose not to answer is pure childishness. I can choose to or not BUT I ALREADY SAID I WILL ANSWER. So, what's your problem? Why don't you wait if I answer or not as I said. If you're gonna be acting like a baby, I will stop talking to you, okay.

Abeg, na you suppose cool down. Does law of Yes or No sound mature in your eyes? Abi which spirit behind your message should I understand there?
Ofcourse you promised to respond and you have the liberty to, no one is trying to catch you in anything. The word of God stands, nothing will change it so relax ehn and share the word in truth, Goshen.
Take care.

Contrary to the believe that if you accept Christ then sin automatically leaves you. Accepting Christ brings the Holy Spirit in you,therefore you are not the same man that you was cos a conflicting spirit now lives within your body. But, you are still the same guy that use to sin a day before. No matter how much you try to abstain from sin, you will end up going back to sin. This situation don't mean you are no more of Christ or you have been condemned.

You can't stop sinning because you were first a human, every human has a sin nature inherited from the transgression of the first man(Adam and Eve) and we all have a mind that relates (profane) information to our heart which forms our perspective and intuition. The scriptures says the heart of man is deceitful and desperately wicked, so no man can do good within himself. The Bible says even our best behaviour is like filthy rags before Him.

Therefore, when you come to Christ you need to feed your spirit man with the true word of God, without this the Holy Spirit will remain redundant within us. Feeding our spirit man with the word of God renews our mind and our perspective which gradually suppress our sin nature.

Alwaystrue:

Abeg, na you suppose cool down. Does law of Yes or No sound mature in your eyes? Abi which spirit behind your message should I understand there?
Ofcourse you promised to respond and you have the liberty to, no one is trying to catch you in anything. The word of God stands, nothing will change it so relax ehn and share the word in truth, Goshen.
Take care.

Now, you're talking. So relax make I finish making money for work, I will respond as promised. You're one of my targets on this forum, TO LIBERATE YOU FROM THE GRIP OF THE TORAH....

Goshen360:

Now, you're talking. So relax make I finish making money for work, I will respond as promised. You're one of my targets on this forum, TO LIBERATE YOU FROM THE GRIP OF THE TORAH....

LIBERATE INTO HELLFIRE.

Goshen360:

Now, you're talking. So relax make I finish making money for work, I will respond as promised. You're one of my targets on this forum, TO LIBERATE YOU FROM THE GRIP OF THE TORAH....

Goshen the law has no grip over me as long as I walk in the spirit and truth of Christ but if I walk in the flesh, it means I am serving the law of sin and death- Romans 7:23. And I thank God for His grace through His Son Jesus Christ who is maturing me in him as I walk in the righteousness of the law (which is not of the letter) only fulfilled in Christ Jesus since I believe in Him Romans 8:2-5. Simple and I wonder what else you want to liberate me from since you are not Jesus Christ.
Don't get ahead of yourself Goshen.

Alwaystrue:

Goshen the law has no grip over me as long as I walk in the spirit and truth of Christ but if I walk in the flesh, it means I am serving the law of sin and death- Romans 7:23. And I thank God for His grace through His Son Jesus Christ who is maturing me in him as I walk in the righteousness of the law (which is not of the letter) only fulfilled in Christ Jesus since I believe in Him Romans 8:2-5. Simple and I wonder what else you want to liberate me from since you are not Jesus Christ.
Don't get ahead of yourself Goshen.

truthislight:

My friend, you are on to what i dont know.
The truth is that christians are not under the mosaic law covanant.

Why cant that ^ simple truth be sufficient for you?

Smh.

unfortunately, what gosh is teaching is the most complicated interpretation i ever saw as regards obeying God.

Alwaystrue:

When people ask you how do I love my neighbour as Christ loved, please what do you tell them? Can you also tie this to the same 10 commandments or refer to I Corinthinans 13?

How do I love my neighbour is simply how you love God and love yourself. Can you kill yourself? If you love yourself to the point you cannot kill yourself, then why would such person kill his\her neighbour? Can you steal from yourself? Then loving God and yourself will not make you steal from your neighbour. The 10 commandmentS was taken away and replaced by the ONE commandment of LOVE because we know, GOD IS LOVE, taking your eyes and heart away from thou shall not, thou shall not and fixing your heart on God. The 1 Corinthians 13 are the very nature of LOVE. I cannot talk on each of those natures but that's what they are. We live LOVE by the nature of our new birth without struggles and that's the 10 commandment taken care of right there already.

Those who call it moral laws don't even know what they are saying, the bible never made such claim or such distinction from other laws. Also, God didn't give or send us Christ so that we can live a moral lives by calling those law moral laws; God never called those 10 moral laws; God gave Christ so that we can have "life" and\or live the "life" of God through Christ in us here on earth and have eternal life with the Him, the Father, John 10:10 & 1 John 3:15. If you're talking about morals by referring to the 10 commandmentS, then I can tell you you do err to the teachings of Christ that was foundational for the New Testament because hatred or hating a fellow is murder according to Christ Matthew 5:21-22. So when one of your 10 moral commandmentS says, thou shall not kill\murder and Christ replaced with LOVE and this same teachings was expanded and taught by the Apostles that hating\hatred is = murder(ing), and you people of the law of Moses are still counting thou shall not kill\murder, thinking it is until you murder someone physically that you kill, you're still on mount sinai.

New International Version (©2011)
Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. 1 John 3:15

Alwaystrue:

John 6:63-64
 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not.

John 12:49-50
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


Goshen,
Based on the two scriptures pasted above, do you agree therefore that

* All the words Jesus spoke when He came physically to earth are indeed spirit and life so His being born under the law made no difference to whoever He was speaking words of admonition to?

A yes or no will suffice. Thank you.

Scripture attest to the truth that Christ was born under the law. If the New Testament already started when Christ was born, then there's no need for his death anymore. The words of Christ are spirit and life; that's true and does every word he spoke apply to the Apostles? Even among the Apostles, scriptures always say who or who Christ is talking to at one point or the other. You cannot take for instance, where Christ said "WOE" to the scribes and Pharisees and apply to the Apostles simply because the words of Christ are spirit and life.

So, the answer to your question is NO! The words that I speak to you are spirit and life, are the words spoken or he spoke to the Apostles\Disciples, not to any others that the scripture attest to; stop dis-jointing the context of scriptures please, it is a bad way of interpretation. If we partake of those words, it is not because it was directly spoken to us as among the 12 then but because by extension or meaning of disciples, we are followers of Christ. Abi fig tree na followers of Christ ni? Or are scribes & pharisees followers of Christ ni?

New Living Translation (©2007)
Jesus was aware that his disciples were complaining, so he said to them, "Does this offend you? Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. John 6:61-63

It simply means he spoke "spiritual things or words" to them. Words are words, not spirit but the words of Christ spoken to then are spiritual words\teachings and full of life....to his disciples; that's what that sentence meant. Or are we to say when Jesus cursed the fig tree, we are to say those words applies to his disciples or to us because it came out from the mouth of Christ and\or it gives spirit and life to the fig tree or it applies to the Apostles? You need to apply the context of "to whom" was the statement addressed in context.

Two things Christ came to do under the law when he came - to establish a foundation for the new testament teachings that will effect after his death, hence, choosing the 12 Apostles that will be impacted and carry on those teachings. 2, to fulfill the law (of Moses) and hereby making it null and void to effect the law of Christ, of the Spirit, of faith, of love.

That's why not all teachings of Christ was for all public. We are only privilege to have it to everybody today because it was penned down but when Christ was doing some teachings, not everyone was there but most times the disciples and even at that, not all Christ words applies to the disciples or is it everyone (of the public) that was there with Christ & the 12 disciples when he gave the new commandment of LOVE? or when he ate the last supper\communion and taught them to love one another? It is because it was penned down that we're privilege to partake of it.

lemme stop here, if need for more question, don't hesitate to ask. I'm at your service!

Goshen360:

How do I love my neighbour is simply how you love God and love yourself. Can you kill yourself? If you love yourself to the point you cannot kill yourself, then why would such person kill his\her neighbour?

So those that commit suicide do what? All these suicide bombers do what? Do not be afraid to quote scriptures, loving your neighbour is shown in the commandments and also we know love is patient, kind, not proud, does not rejoice in evil, is not irritable etc.

Goshen360:
Can you steal from yourself? Then loving God and yourself will not make you steal from your neighbour. The 10 commandmentS was taken away and replaced by the ONE commandment of LOVE because GOD IS LOVE, taking your eyes and heart away from thou shall not, thou shall not and fixing your heart on God. The 1 Corinthians 13 are the very nature of LOVE. I cannot talk on each of those natures but that's what they are. We live LOVE by the nature of our new birth without struggles and that's the 10 commandment taken care of.

Those who call it moral laws don't even know what they are saying, the bible never made such claim or such distinction from other laws. Also, God didn't give or send us Christ give us moral lives by calling those law moral laws; God gave Christ so that we can have "life" and\or live the "life" of Christ here on earth and have eternal life with the Father, John 10:10 & 1 John 3:15. If you're talking about morals by referring to the 10 commandmentS, then I can tell you you do err to the teachings of Christ that was foundational for the New Testament because hatred or hating a fellow is murder according to Christ Matthew 5:21-22. So when one of your 10 moral commandmentS says, thou shall not kill\murder and Christ replaced with LOVE and this same teachings was expanded and taught by the Apostles that hating\hatred is = murdering, and you people are still counting thou shall not kill, thinking it is until you murder someone that you kill, you're still on mount sinai.

New International Version (©2011)
Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. 1 John 3:15

Perhaps you now understand thst when you exhibit the fruits of the spirit, you fulfil the law of God. If you do not lust, you can never covet or commit adultery. If you cleanse your thoughts and are kind, you cannot kill. Is thst not what all we have been saying.
As long as you walk in the spirit, you can never fulfil the lust of the flesh but when you covet, steal, murder, commit adultery or fornication you are now subject to the law of sin and death and its penalties because you have gone against both the spirit and the letter of the law. We have grace through Christ that when we sin, he forgives us and helps us not to commit that sin again as his spirit is the stop gap to warn us before we think of carrying it out physically.

Goshen360:
Scripture attest to the truth that Christ was born under the law. If the New Testament already started when Christ was born, then there's no need for his death anymore. The words of Christ are spirit and life; that's true and does every word he spoke apply to the Apostles? Even among the Apostles, scriptures always say who or who Christ is talking to at one point or the other. You cannot take for instance, where Christ said "WOE" to the scribes and Pharisees and apply to the Apostles simply because the words of Christ are spirit and life.

So, the answer to your question is NO! The words that I speak to you are spirit and life, are the words spoken or he spoke to the Apostles\Disciples, not to any others that the scripture attest to; stop dis-jointing the context of scriptures please, it is a bad way of interpretation. If we partake of those words, it is not because it was directly spoken to us as among the 12 then but because by extension or meaning of disciples, we are followers of Christ. Abi fig tree na followers of Christ ni? Or are scribes & pharisees followers of Christ ni?

New Living Translation (©2007)
Jesus was aware that his disciples were complaining, so he said to them, "Does this offend you? Then what will you think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? The Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. John 6:61-63

It simply means he spoke "spiritual things or words" to them. Words are words, not spirit but the words of Christ spoken to then are spiritual words\teachings and full of life....to his disciples; that's what that sentence meant. Or are we to say when Jesus cursed the fig tree, we are to say those words applies to his disciples or to us because it came out from the mouth of Christ and\or it gives spirit and life to the fig tree or it applies to the Apostles? You need to apply the context of "to whom" was the statement addressed in context.

Two things Christ came to do under the law when he came - to establish a foundation for the new testament teachings that will effect after his death, hence, choosing the 12 Apostles that will be impacted and carry on those teachings. 2, to fulfill the law (of Moses) and hereby making it null and void to effect the law of Christ, of the Spirit, of faith, of love.

That's why not all teachings of Christ was for all public. We are only privilege to have it to everybody today because it was penned down but when Christ was doing some teachings, not everyone was there but most times the disciples and even at that, not all Christ words applies to the disciples or is it everyone (of the public) that was there with Christ & the 12 disciples when he gave the new commandment of LOVE? or when he ate the last supper\communion and taught them to love one another? It is because it was penned down that we're privilege to partake of it.

lemme stop here, if need for more question, don't hesitate to ask. I'm at your service!

Jesus came to fulfil the law and take the penalty of death. He had to do both. It is because you do not understand this that you keep going on and on. He was without sin throughout his life on earth fulfilling the law and died as penalty for sin as the perfect blemish-free once and for all sacrifice.
All Jesus said was life. All the time he said woe, did he not say what the people he was talking to did wrong? When Paul said woe is he if he doesn't preach the gospel, did he not qualify it? Did he say it for the fun of it? Its the same woe for all who do those things. He cursed the fig tree because it did not bear fruit and He said any tree that does not bring forth fruit will be cut down.
Jesus spoke words of life to everyone, stop negating God's word with your head knowledge. If you did wrong he rebuked you and then spoke the life to admonish you and he did that to everyone. He did not speak of Himself but only all God commanded Him:
1. He told Nichodemus the Pharisee, that unless a man is born again with water and spirit, he can't see God's kingdom.
2. He told the Pharisee to give alms
3.He told them the greatest commandments and explaine it.
4. He told them to tithe without negelecting faith, mercy and justice.
5. He told the Samaritan woman about worship in the spirit.
Jesus words of advice and admonition are all life, its left to all to chose whether to take life or go aginst it by chosing death.

All Jesus said was life. All the time he said woe, did he not say what the people he was talking to did wrong? When Paul said woe is he if he doesn't preach the gospel, did he not qualify it? Did he say it for the fun of it? Its the same woe for all who do those things. He cursed the fig tree because it did not bear fruit and He said any tree that does not bring forth fruit will be cut down.
Jesus spoke words of life to everyone, stop negating God's word with your head knowledge. If you did wrong he rebuked you and then spoke the life to admonish you and he did that to everyone. He did not speak of Himself but only all God commanded Him:
1. He told Nichodemus the Pharisee, that unless a man is born again with water and spirit, he can't see God's kingdom.
2. He told the Pharisee to give alms
3.He told them the greatest commandments and explaine it.
4. He told them to tithe without negelecting faith, mercy and justice.
5. He told the Samaritan woman about worship in the spirit.
Jesus words of advice and admonition are all life, its left to all to chose whether to take life or go aginst it by chosing death.
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All these points of yours are right but remember Christ spoke under the law, at this point the law has not been fulfilled. Without demeaning Christ, we have to understand all Christ said before His death is not the gospel but a sign leading to the gospel of Christ. The mistake we make is adding Mathew , Mark, Luke as the gospel, remember the early churches didn't have these three books at that time, all they had was the real gospel which was given to only Apostle Paul to the church.

The fig tree Christ spoke about represent the Jews and the law and their expected kingdom which cannot bear fruit...all these was cut down by the death of Christ.

shdemidemi:
Without demeaning Christ, we have to understand all Christ said before His death is not the gospel but a sign leading to the gospel of Christ. The mistake we make is adding Mathew , Mark, Luke as the gospel, remember the early churches didn't have these three books at that time, all they had was the real gospel which was given to only Apostle Paul to the church.

The fig tree Christ spoke about represent the Jews and the law and their expected kingdom which cannot bear fruit...all these was cut down by the death of Christ.

OH YE DIABOLIC REPROBATE I SPRINKLE THEE WITH HOLY WATER AND FIRE

shdemidemi:
All these points of yours are right but remember Christ spoke under the law, at this point the law has not been fulfilled. Without demeaning Christ, we have to understand all Christ said before His death is not the gospel but a sign leading to the gospel of Christ. The mistake we make is adding Mathew , Mark, Luke as the gospel, remember the early churches didn't have these three books at that time, all they had was the real gospel which was given to only Apostle Paul to the church.

The fig tree Christ spoke about represent the Jews and the law and their expected kingdom which cannot bear fruit...all these was cut down by the death of Christ.

Jesus came to fulfil the law not abolish it. He said so himself and it was continuous till his death. With His death He took away the penalty for our sin. The law is still in effect to those who are not dead to the flesh. As long as you are in Christ and live according to the spirit, bearing it's fruit, you are dead to the law as you have fulfilled it through Christ. Galatians 5:22-23
Everyone is born under the law until they accept Christ and believe in Him and that is why parents faith cannot save the children and that is why even atheist who do good but reject Christ are under the law. Until you understand this you won't appreciate the full meaning of grace.

The fig tree was cursed because it professed fruitfulness by its leaves which were many but no fruit. (Christians are to bear fruits of the spirit continually). It depicts the barren believer, those who profess Christ with their lips but do not show the fruits of the spirit (their hearts are far from Him).

obadiah777: OH YE DIABOLIC REPROBATE I SPRINKLE THEE WITH HOLY WATER AND FIRE

The Messiah did not offer His "own judgment," neither did He speak His own words: "He ... spoke the Words of God" (Jo. 3:34). In another place, Messiah said: "I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things" (John 8:28).

Bidam: The Messiah did not offer His "own judgment," neither did He speak His own words: "He ... spoke the Words of God" (Jo. 3:34). In another place, Messiah said: "I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things" (John 8:28).

CHIEF EMPEROR CEO ALHAJI BIDAM, I TROWAY SALUTE SIR AND I ENDORSE THIS POST.

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unfortunately, what gosh is teaching is the most complicated interpretation i ever saw as regards obeying God.

trust gosh to complicate the simplicity of the gospel.

Image123:
unfortunately, what gosh is teaching is the most complicated interpretation i ever saw as regards obeying God.

Pastor Goshen wants to the next apostle paul his teachings are difficult to understand. but i think it's only the 'judaizers' that will have problem understanding him

obadiah777: CHIEF EMPEROR CEO ALHAJI BIDAM, I TROWAY SALUTE SIR AND I ENDORSE THIS POST.

i remain an humble and obedient servant..sup man? how ya doing?

Bidam: i remain an humble and obedient servant..sup man? how ya doing?

LIVING THIS LIFE. COMPASSED ROUND ABOUT BY STRONG BULLS OF BASHAN. STAYING AFLOAT IN THIS GENTILE WORLD. GOT THIS DOUBLE EDGED SWORD AS PROTECTION THOUGH AND AS A SANCTUARY

Zikkyy:

Pastor Goshen wants to the next apostle paul his teachings are difficult to understand. but i think it's only the 'judaizers' that will have problem understanding him

herein lies the error... No searching believer should be offended by the declaration that the Words of God are superior to the words of Paul. Yet, some may contend that God was the Author of every word which Paul wrote. But by studying Paul's own words, such a position can be disproved "I speak not by Commandment ... and herein I give my advice" (2 Cor. 8: 8-10). Paul's "advice" undoubtedly was good, but it certainly was not always the Word of God.

Goshen360:
It simply means he spoke "spiritual things or words" to them. Words are words, not spirit but the words of Christ spoken to then are spiritual words\teachings and full of life....to his disciples; that's what that sentence meant. Or are we to say when Jesus cursed the fig tree, we are to say those words applies to his disciples or to us because it came out from the mouth of Christ and\or it gives spirit and life to the fig tree or it applies to the Apostles? You need to apply the context of "to whom" was the statement addressed in context.

Pastor G, why you dey expose the secret of the fig tree na abi you don't know some peeps already sharing in the curse sorry i meant blessings of the fig tree? i.e. those that believe everything Jesus said applies to them.

shdemidemi: Without demeaning Christ, we have to understand all Christ said before His death is not the gospel but a sign leading to the gospel of Christ. The mistake we make is adding Mathew , Mark, Luke as the gospel, remember the early churches didn't have these three books at that time, all they had was the real gospel which was given to only Apostle Paul to the church.

The fig tree Christ spoke about represent the Jews and the law and their expected kingdom which cannot bear fruit...all these was cut down by the death of Christ.

You have erred because you have gone against the word of Christ!

Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

And no, the early church was handled by the Apostles who were with Jesus Christ and that is why Paul even started persecuting them. All they had was the law and the testimony of the disciples about how Christ. Paul later got converted and was sent to the gentiles!

I cannot imagine you said this!

Goshen360: ^ ^ You people need to understand what I'm saying. How do you and frosbel claim Christ ONLY fulfilled the Sabbath and left the rest 9 unfilfilled? That's illogical to say. What I'm saying is, Christ fulfilled ALL & EVERYTHING and re-instructed to us in the Spirit of the New Testament NOT as DOs and DON'T as it was given to Moses.

OL REPROBATE GOSHEN BRINGING IN HERESIES *SMDH*

Alwaystrue:

You have erred because you have gone against the word of Christ!

Matthew 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

And no, the early church was handled by the Apostles who were with Jesus Christ and that is why Paul even started persecuting them. All they had was the law and the testimony of the disciples about how Christ. Paul later got converted and was sent to the gentiles!

I cannot imagine you said this!

THATS WHAT SHDEMIDEMI DOES BEST. HE IS THE FIELD MARSHALL OF ERRING

obadiah777: LIVING THIS LIFE. COMPASSED ROUND ABOUT BY STRONG BULLS OF BASHAN. STAYING AFLOAT IN THIS GENTILE WORLD. GOT THIS DOUBLE EDGED SWORD AS PROTECTION THOUGH AND AS A SANCTUARY

kai..i no envy you at all man.lol

Alwaystrue:

Jesus came to fulfil the law not abolish it. He said so himself and it was continuous till his death. With His death He took away the penalty for our sin. The law is still in effect to those who are not dead to the flesh. As long as you are in Christ and live according to the spirit, bearing it's fruit, you are dead to the law as you have fulfilled it through Christ. Galatians 5:22-23
Everyone is born under the law until they accept Christ and believe in Him and that is why parents faith cannot save the children and that is why even atheist who do good but reject Christ are under the law. Until you understand this you won't appreciate the full meaning of grace.

The fig tree was cursed because it professed fruitfulness by its leaves which were many but no fruit. (Christians are to bear fruits of the spirit continually). It depicts the barren believer, those who profess Christ with their lips but do not show the fruits of the spirit (their hearts are far from Him).

In contrary, everyone is not born under the law rather everyone was born into sin until they accept Christ ..atheist are not under law, they are condemned until God calls them.

As for the fire tree, don't assume you know what Christ meant. Go back and read it down to the parable of the two sons, only then would you understand what Christ meant. He wasn't saying anything about Christians there but about the old and the new.

Bidam: herein lies the error... No searching believer should be offended by the declaration that the Words of God are superior to the words of Paul. Yet, some may contend that God was the Author of every word which Paul wrote. But by studying Paul's own words, such a position can be disproved "I speak not by Commandment ... and herein I give my advice" (2 Cor. 8: 8-10). Paul's "advice" undoubtedly was good, but it certainly was not always the Word of God.

My brother, you have to believe everything written in the Bible. If you don't believe 1, there is no point believing all. The words of Paul to the church as documented in the Bible does not contradict the word of God if you rightly divide the word of truth. The Bible is just not 1 book you read and quote haphazardly which most are guilty of doing.

15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.