I have read what 'some' of you are saying about me, my teachings & 'personality'. I will comment on details later when I have time to do so intensively. Well, I know where some of the problem is, some are out to slander WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE CONTEXT OF WHAT I SAY. Some are slow to understanding since we do not ALL understand on the same page even we all read the same passages of scriptures. I will comment intensively later.

Goshen360: I have read what 'some' of you are saying about me, my teachings & 'personality'. I will comment on details later when I have time to do so intensively. Well, I know where some of the problem is, some are out to slander WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE CONTEXT OF WHAT I SAY. Some are slow to understanding since we do not ALL understand on the same page even we all read the same passages of scriptures. I will comment intensively later.

YEAH COME BACK AND DEFEND YOUR HERESIES AM TELLING YOU GOSHEN YOU DONE LED MANY PEOPLE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. *SMDH*

Enigma:



Did someone hijack your user name (here or or on another thread)?

Otherwise how do you move from being a "freethinker" (possibly meaning atheist?) saying Jesus is fictional in the link below to calling Jesus "lord" on this thread?

https://www.nairaland.com/1240536/ugly-truth-jesus

lol, I'm a christian for today,

bolaino: lol, I'm a christian for today,

ravenous wolves in sheep skins

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author=Bidam] ravenous wolves in sheep skins[/quote]
lol, yes boss, but what goshen's doing is not fair, cos there are lots of gullible christians who look up to him on nairalandz, and he's explaining the
scriptures from his own personal understanding and he's misleading lots of
christian folks, u guys should caution him, since he's your fellow broda
in christ; the consequences of adding or subtracting from the word of
God is grave.

obadiah777: YEAH COME BACK AND DEFEND YOUR HERESIES AM TELLING YOU GOSHEN YOU DONE LED MANY PEOPLE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. *SMDH*

Read the article I post before and understand it before I talk to you.

bolaino:
lol, yes boss, but what goshen's doing is not fair, cos there are lots of gullible christians who look up to him on nairalandz, and he's explaining the
scriptures from his own personal understanding and he's misleading lots of
christian folks, u guys should caution him, since he's your fellow broda
in christ; the consequences of adding or subtracting from the word of
God is grave.

Did you read the long article I posted at all? You just ranting here....I know you probably a man of the law of Moses.

Goshen360:

Did you read the long article I posted at all? You just ranting here....I know you probably a man of the law of Moses.

We should know that you are an antinomian by now.

OLAADEGBU:

We should know that you are an antinomian by now.

Ola, be careful here o....read the whole article I presented and stop attacking my person please.

Goshen360:

Ola, be careful here o....read the whole article I presented and stop attacking my person please.

Do you realise that there is a word that describes your "condition"? It's called antinomianism.

OLAADEGBU:

Do you realise that there is a word that describes your "condition"? It's called antinomianism.

Challenge what I presented, not my person o

Goshen360:

Challenge what I presented, not my person o

Why would I challenge your person? What I exposed is what your teachings here represents.

OLAADEGBU:

Why would I challenge your person? What I exposed is what your teachings here represents.

Okay, sorry I misunderstood you but go over the thread and understand what I said, I never said we are lawless now. Go through the whole thing I said and understand. The article is a bit lengthy but try read to the end. Thank.

Candour: All Christians are actually SAVED by Grace

Lies.


People are saved by grace, through faith, which is dead, without works.

Akim_Omigie:
Lies.


People are saved by grace, through faith, which is dead, without works.

so which works exactly are we talking about?

Candour:

so which works exactly are we talking about?

Seek first his kingdom and his righteousness. The works of the heavenly father.

Consider this, can a shadow ever be separated from the body? maybe in darkness sha.

New Living Translation (©2007)
One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question: "Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?" Jesus replied, "'You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments." Matthew 22:35-40

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"A new commandment (singular) I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." John 13:34-35

Many Christians are still counting 10 commandmentS (plural) while Jesus had moved from 10 to one. Many are still standing on Sinai while Christ is in Zion. Many are still bothered or carrying the yoke while Christ yoke is light. He took the 10 commandmentS (plural) which he gave on Sinai by himself and replaced or made it ONE, an all-inclusive one and yet many of us are still counting 10 thou shall not, thou shall not. Christ is the one that made the 10 commandments of Moses into ONE, not Goshen360, we only need to get the revelation and flow in it. If the one is obeyed, the 10 is obeyed. If the one is fulfilled, the 10 is not given a special preference and consciousness. This is the same message that is carried on by the Apostles.

New International Version (©2011)
The commandments (plural), "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not covet," and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:9-10

New Living Translation (©2007)
For you have been called to live in freedom, my brothers and sisters. But don't use your freedom to satisfy your sinful nature. Instead, use your freedom to serve one another in love. For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Galatians 5:13-14

Here, we see the Apostle carrying what Christ laid as foundation into the Epistles. You that is an adulterer, you still commit adulterer because you don't love God neither do you love your neighnour not yourself. You're struggling with covetousness, it's because you have not loved God neither have you fulfilled this ONE commandment, love. There's are 10 doors but just ONE key to all the ten doors. You murder or steal because you have not obey the NEW COMMAND of Christ, which is called the law of Christ, to love God and love your neighbour.

New Living Translation (©2007)
I am writing to remind you, dear friends, that we should love one another. This is not a new commandment, but one we have had from the beginning. 2 John 1:5

New International Version (©2011)
And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister. 1 John 4:21

New Living Translation (©2007)
And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us. 1 John 3:23

The message doesn't change within the Apostles. It was the message of Christ, from 10 commandmentS (plural) to ONE command(ment), (singular). Those who struggle to fulfill the 10 commandmentS have not truly find the revelation of & fulfilled the ONE commandment. Love is the life and nature of God and 1 Corinthians 13 list its features & attributes. It is also the divine prescription & cure to living a Christ life; not obeying your flesh nature or sinful desires of your flesh - Galatians 5:22-23. "A new commandment (singular) I give to you...." as said by Christ already take care of and\or replaced the others that was given.

When people ask you how do I love my neighbour as Christ loved, please what do you tell them? Can you also tie this to the same 10 commandments or refer to I Corinthinans 13?


John 6:63-64
 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not.


John 12:49-50
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


Goshen,
Based on the two scriptures pasted above, do you agree therefore that

* All the words Jesus spoke when He came physically to earth are indeed spirit and life so His being born under the law made no difference to whoever He was speaking words of admonition to?

A yes or no will suffice. Thank you.

Image123: Consider this, can a shadow ever be separated from the body? maybe in darkness sha.

Okay. is the body driven by the activities of the shadow or is it the other way round? so can a shadow exist without a body? can the body not have a shadow? well you said it already; in darkness and just as the shadow cannot be found in darkness, the mosaic law is equally useless in most situations. i.e. it is incomplete.

Goshen360:
Many Christians are still counting 10 commandmentS (plural) while Jesus had moved from 10 to one. Many are still standing on Sinai while Christ is in Zion. Many are still bothered or carrying the yoke while Christ yoke is light. He took the 10 commandmentS (plural) which he gave on Sinai by himself and replaced or made it ONE, an all-inclusive one and yet many of us are still counting 10 thou shall not, thou shall not. Christ is the one that made the 10 commandments of Moses into ONE, not Goshen360, we only need to get the revelation and flow in it. If the one is obeyed, the 10 is obeyed. If the one is fulfilled, the 10 is not given a special preference and consciousness. This is the same message that is carried on by the Apostles.

The mosaic law was meant for the lawless and it is only applicable to the lawless. 'True' Christians don't live by the mosaic law (10 commandments inclusive). any body subjecting him/herself to the requirement of the mosaic law is yet to know Christ or has rejected Christ.

Alwaystrue: When people ask you how do I love my neighbour as Christ loved, please what do you tell them? Can you also tie this to the same 10 commandments or refer to I Corinthinans 13?


John 6:63-64
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not.


John 12:49-50
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


Goshen,
Based on the two scriptures pasted above, do you agree therefore that

* All the words Jesus spoke when He came physically to earth are indeed spirit and life so His being born under the law made no difference to whoever He was speaking words of admonition to?

A yes or no will suffice. Thank you.

My friend, you are on to what i dont know.
The truth is that christians are not under the mosaic law covanant.

Why cant that ^ simple truth be sufficient for you?

Smh.

truthislight:

My friend, you are on to what i dont know.
The truth is that christians are not under the mosaic law covanant.

Why cant that ^ simple truth be sufficient for you?

Smh.

How can the truth be enough when they are desperately trying to justify their actions with the mosaic law.

truthislight:

My friend, you are on to what i dont know.
The truth is that christians are not under the mosaic law covanant.

Why cant that ^ simple truth be sufficient for you?

Smh.

Trust me if you knew the truth, you will answer that question with a Yes or a No. But you nicely sidelined it.
For your info, Christians who walk after the spirit are those who are not under the law-Rom.8:1. Anyone walking according to the flesh is under the law, even Paul said he serves the law of sin with his flesh meaning if he allows his flesh to rule over him, he is under the law-Romans 7:23. And what is sin? Transgression of the law.

Grace is help, enablement and provision to walk in the Spirit.

But Goshen here says since Jesus was born under the law, his words were to those under the law for the law (remember these people did not have the spirit), hence my question to Goshen then which you see above.
Since you cannot answer it, let him. Thx.

Zikkyy:

The mosaic law was meant for the lawless and it is only applicable to the lawless. 'True' Christians don't live by the mosaic law (10 commandments inclusive). any body subjecting him/herself to the requirement of the mosaic law is yet to know Christ or has rejected Christ.

My understanding is that the old covenant of the law of moses established a system of regulated behavior in Israel. In the new covenant of grace the heart of man becomes the living stone on the inside upon which God writes his heart-law. so me paying my tithes for instance is not borne out of a regulated format or because am following the mosaic law but am actually obeying Christ from the heart which comes from a product of revelation. I don't obey Christ unto death because somebody told me to do it. I obey Christ unto death because i have seen Jesus in His glory, and that becomes what i desire. Obedience becomes a joyful activity.

@ Alwaystrue,

I'm not under your LAW of Yes or No to answer your question. Such question doesn't demand a yes or no answer. You asked a question and put a LAW on it that it should be yes or no.

Well, next time, ask me to explain rather than the law of yes or no. As per your question, I really respond in due time.

Zikkyy:

How can the truth be enough when they are desperately trying to justify their actions with the mosaic law.

What do you understand by obedience out of regulation and obedience out of revelation? even the LOVE FOR THE BRETHREN that Goshen quotes can be obedience out of regulation.

Bidam: My understanding is that the old covenant of the law of moses established a system of regulated behavior in Israel. In the new covenant of grace the heart of man becomes the living stone on the inside upon which God writes his heart-law. so me paying my tithes for instance is not borne out of a regulated format or because am following the mosaic law but am actually obeying Christ from the heart which comes from a product of revelation. I don't obey Christ unto death because somebody told me to do it. I obey Christ unto death because i have seen Jesus in His glory, and that becomes what i desire. Obedience becomes a joyful activity.

Goshen360 thanks a lot

Goshen360: @ Alwaystrue,

I'm not under your LAW of Yes or No to answer your question. Such question doesn't demand a yes or no answer. You asked a question and put a LAW on it that it should be yes or no.

Well, next time, ask me to explain rather than the law of yes or no. As per your question, I really respond in due time.

Law of Yes or No?
What will one not hear? You can chose not to answer, Afterall you have asked me questions expecting such kind of answer which I answered without a fuss but now it has become a law because I asked . The word of God is the final. Have a good evening.

For us to understand the issue of law, we need to answer and understand these two questions


1) why did God give the nation of israel these laws were
2)why was the law of Moses given to Israelites and not all humans

Alwaystrue:


Law of Yes or No?
What will one not hear? You can chose not to answer, Afterall you have asked me questions expecting such kind of answer which I answered without a fuss but now it has become a law because I asked . The word of God is the final. Have a good evening.

Cool down, quit childishness and understand the 'spirit' behind my statement, which is, such questions as yours are not a yes or no answers that is required except you're looking to catch people by their words rather than understand they're saying.

Again, I already told you I will answer in due time but coming back to tell me if I don't wanna answer or choose not to answer is pure childishness. I can choose to or not BUT I ALREADY SAID I WILL ANSWER. So, what's your problem? Why don't you wait if I answer or not as I said. If you're gonna be acting like a baby, I will stop talking to you, okay.