Bidam: kai..i no envy you at all man.lol

Bidam: herein lies the error... No searching believer should be offended by the declaration that the Words of God are superior to the words of Paul. Yet, some may contend that God was the Author of every word which Paul wrote. But by studying Paul's own words, such a position can be disproved "I speak not by Commandment ... and herein I give my advice" (2 Cor. 8: 8-10). Paul's "advice" undoubtedly was good, but it certainly was not always the Word of God.

shdemidemi:

My brother, you have to believe everything written in the Bible. If you don't believe 1, there is no point believing all. The words of Paul to the church as documented in the Bible does not contradict the word of God if you rightly divide the word of truth. The Bible is just not 1 book you read and quote haphazardly which most are guilty of doing.

15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.

shdemidemi:

In contrary, everyone is not born under the law rather everyone was born into sin until they accept Christ ..atheist are not under law, they are condemned until God calls them.

shdemidemi:
As for the fire tree, don't assume you know what Christ meant. Go back and read it down to the parable of the two sons, only then would you understand what Christ meant. He wasn't saying anything about Christians there but about the old and the new.

Zikkyy:

The man is saying the bible is not exactly the word of God. just some part of it

Alwaystrue:

I John 3:4
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness



You will not understand it as you continually look at the words of christ using head knowledge. Imagine you saying Jesus did not preach the gospel. Heresy at it's finest!

Alwaystrue:

I John 3:4
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness



You will not understand it as you continually look at the words of christ using head knowledge. Imagine you saying Jesus did not preach the gospel. Heresy at it's finest!

shdemidemi:

My brother, you have to believe everything written in the Bible. If you don't believe 1, there is no point believing all. The words of Paul to the church as documented in the Bible does not contradict the word of God if you rightly divide the word of truth. The Bible is just not 1 book you read and quote haphazardly which most are guilty of doing.

15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.

obadiah777: LOL YOU ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION CHIEF. WE ARE BEHIND ENEMY LINES CHIEF.
1 JOHN 5 VS 19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one << WE HAVE BEEN COMPASSED ROUND ABOUT BY STRONG BULLS OF BASHAN. WE BEHIND ENEMY LINES DAWG

PSALMS 22 VS 12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round

Zikkyy:

abeg make i hear word jor who said anything bout 'word of God' for here. address issues on ground abeg

shdemidemi:

No. He is saying, not every part of the Bible is the gospel of Christ. If you are a Christian or you want to be one.
You must ask and answer this question-what is the GOSPEL?

You would be surprised some pastors don't know what the good news is.

Zikkyy:

The man is saying the bible is not exactly the word of God. just some part of it

shdemidemi:

No. He is saying, not every part of the Bible is the gospel of Christ. If you are a Christian or you want to be one.
You must ask and answer this question-what is the GOSPEL?

You would be surprised some pastors don't know what the good news is.

Bidam: what i meant was that not every thing written in the bible should be taken as the word of God.

shdemidemi:
In contrary, everyone is not born under the law rather everyone was born into sin until they accept Christ ..atheist are not under law, they are condemned until God calls them.

Alwaystrue:
I John 3:4
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness

shdemidemi:

No. He is saying, not every part of the Bible is the gospel of Christ. If you are a Christian or you want to be one.
You must ask and answer this question-what is the GOSPEL?

You would be surprised some pastors don't know what the good news is.

Bidam: the laws of God and the word of God are used interchangeably in scriptures..who you wan confuse

Bidam: what i meant was that not every thing written in the bible should be taken as the word of God.

Bidam: now there is a scripture where Job's wife says to curse God and die..do we take that as the word of God?

shdemidemi:

But everything was inspired by God for doctrines if rightly understood like Peter said.

Zikkyy:

whether laws of God or word of God, it's still not addressing my post

Bidam: i believe you meant Paul said that and not Peter. My problem with this "Gospel of Grace" you guyz keep harping on is that no greater lie has ever been foisted upon the people of God than this terrible misrepresentation of the True Purpose and Plan of the Creator God for man - as embodied in the so-called "New Gospel of Grace", which is accredited to the apostle Paul according to his interpretation.

shdemidemi:

This sounds like a personal grouse to me...prove all things by the scriptures sir and not what you feel through your 5 senses.

Bidam: Call it wateva you like that's your cup of tea.

Bidam: There were in fact TWO prominent heresies that crept into the early Messianic community in Paul's time. One was the idea that gentiles had to become Jews first, taking on all the Torah before they could be saved. This was the first problem to arise, coming from the "Jewish camp," as they had received the message of Yeshua first. They were still holding on to traditional ideas concerning Gentile salvation. Most Christians are aware of this situation as it is thoroughly taught throughout Christianity, the proponents of which are usually called "Judaizers," although this term is also used in a prejudiced fashion for anyone wanting to bring anything Jewish into their faith.



What is generally not taught about is the false teaching that later arose from the "Gentile side of the aisle." This was the view that gentiles had no relationship to Torah after they were saved. The background to this problem was completely different than the other one as it had to do with the pagan culture most of the new Gentile converts (outside of Israel) were coming out of. The majority of people today have not studied first century history and are unaware that Gentiles coming to faith in Yeshua, (those not already involved with Synagogue/Temple Judaism), were coming directly out of an extremely anti-Semitic Roman society. As previously mentioned, this is critical to a proper understanding to the Scriptures (especially Paul's letters). Two books that address this subject well are, The Mystery of Romans, by Mark Nanos, and Jew and Gentile in the Ancient World, by Louis H. Feldman.



Paul was facing two very different types of problems, and it is important to know which he is addressing in his letters. For example, his early letter of Galatians dealt very much with the former (Jewish) heresy, whereas Romans, was concerned primarily with the latter (Gentile) one.


Three important rules of Bible interpretation are:

Grammatical/Literary Context
Historical Context
Cultural/Religious Context

The latter two of these are usually ignored in most Bible studies as you have to go outside of the Bible to get the information, something frowned upon in Christian study groups, under the well-meaning but ignorant assumption that you ONLY need Scripture to interpret Scripture.

Bidam: There were in fact TWO prominent heresies that crept into the early Messianic community in Paul's time. One was the idea that gentiles had to become Jews first, taking on all the Torah before they could be saved. This was the first problem to arise, coming from the "Jewish camp," as they had received the message of Yeshua first. They were still holding on to traditional ideas concerning Gentile salvation. Most Christians are aware of this situation as it is thoroughly taught throughout Christianity, the proponents of which are usually called "Judaizers," although this term is also used in a prejudiced fashion for anyone wanting to bring anything Jewish into their faith.



What is generally not taught about is the false teaching that later arose from the "Gentile side of the aisle." This was the view that gentiles had no relationship to Torah after they were saved. The background to this problem was completely different than the other one as it had to do with the pagan culture most of the new Gentile converts (outside of Israel) were coming out of. The majority of people today have not studied first century history and are unaware that Gentiles coming to faith in Yeshua, (those not already involved with Synagogue/Temple Judaism), were coming directly out of an extremely anti-Semitic Roman society. As previously mentioned, this is critical to a proper understanding to the Scriptures (especially Paul's letters). Two books that address this subject well are, The Mystery of Romans, by Mark Nanos, and Jew and Gentile in the Ancient World, by Louis H. Feldman.



Paul was facing two very different types of problems, and it is important to know which he is addressing in his letters. For example, his early letter of Galatians dealt very much with the former (Jewish) heresy, whereas Romans, was concerned primarily with the latter (Gentile) one.


Three important rules of Bible interpretation are:

Grammatical/Literary Context
Historical Context
Cultural/Religious Context

The latter two of these are usually ignored in most Bible studies as you have to go outside of the Bible to get the information, something frowned upon in Christian study groups, under the well-meaning but ignorant assumption that you ONLY need Scripture to interpret Scripture.

shdemidemi: ^^^^^^^^you are right bro
everyone who sins break the divine law of God. This is different from the mosaic law.

But can we live in our body without committing sin..absolutely NO

But sin can be supressed by feeding our spirit with the word of God which in turn renew our mind.

18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Goshen360:

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
For example, whenever non-Jews who don't have laws from God do by nature the things that Moses' Teachings contain, they are a law to themselves even though they don't have any laws from God.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
(·Those who are not Jews [Gentiles] do not have the law, but when they ·freely [by nature; instinctively] do what the law commands, they ·are the law for themselves [or reveal their awareness of God’s law]. This is true even though they do not have the law [ the written law of Moses] - Romans 2:14

Expanded Bible (EXB)
To those who are without the law [ Gentiles] I became like a person who is without the law. I did this to win those people who are without the law. (But really, I am not without God’s law—I am ·ruled by [ under] Christ’s law.)

When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ. - 1 Corinthians 9:21

New Living Translation (©2007)
Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
We know that whatever is in Moses' Teachings applies to everyone under their influence, and no one can say a thing. The whole world is brought under the judgment of God. - Romans 3:19