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| Questions That Baffle Me About God by Nobody: 10:12am On Jun 30, 2014 |
Hey NairaLanders, Put aside the bigoted fanaticism for once and lets reason a little. All my life I've been a staunch believer in the existence of God and followed him without question. And I've even defended his works as best as I possibly can. So don't come on here thinking that I just woke up one morning with all these dilemma running through my head, ok? I am not bigoted. I am not loose either. I just can't afford to have my reasoning toyed with (against my will) to the pleasure of someone sitting on a Chair (Throne or whatever) up there in some place they call Heaven. Now, please don't take it personal. I am not willing to allow myself to get so loose and immoral just because I feel or think there is no one to punish me. I have come to dig out the truth. I've come to do it with you. So please, just throw off every sentiment and think straight. Who knows? I may just find what I've been searching for...... The truth. So if you're with me, I'd like us to look into these little questions carefully. THE ALL-KNOWING AND ALL-LOVING GOD: It is a general thesis that God, the supreme Being, knows all things (past, present and future) and even sees an event before it happens. It's also a general belief that God loves everyone equally [since he created us all]. With that in mind, we can tell that he already knows what our future will be before bringing us into existence. QUESTION: Why then does Satan, Sin, Hell, Destruction, e.t.c exist? People say it was satan but God created Satan, didn't he? God said his plan for his creation is GOOD, thus, is it right that I KNOW something will corrupt, contaminate, harm or destroy my GOOD plan and then go ahead to create it? Who killed the people at Nyanya? The Bomb or the People who MADE and PLANTED the bomb?? Since God created Satan. He (the BUILDER) is responsible for the problems we are facing not satan (the BOMB). Well, maybe he did NOT know that things will turn out this way. Maybe he isn't ALL-KNOWING afterall  Or, maybe he knew but went on with it anyway, maybe he isn't ALL-LOVING afterall ===> this is really worrisome! Now, things turned out bad and we (the VICTIMS) got caught in Satan's trap (the EXPLOSION) and are continually trying to find our way to survival even though we blame ourselves (the VICTIMS) instead of the Creator (the BUILDER of the BOMB) for bringing such havoc upon us WHEREAS we know that the very fruit of the forbidden tree and the serpent upon it were planted by God himself!! Please don't tell me that God was "testing us," you only test (or experiment) what you are not sure of. I don't see an ALL-KNOWING God wanting to have his works tested when he ought to have had foreknowledge of what he has created!!! It was easy to say "Let there be light" and "there was light" in the Scriptures but it is seeming so difficult to say "Let there be peace" and "there was peace" in reality. Definitely, if God truly exists, he is the cause of all we're going through. SO MANY STUFFS TO BELIEVE: I wonder what actually made we Nigerians to give in to the preachings of those white outsiders. I wonder how right thinking persons viewed just one true God and one true religion out of the numerous thousands out there. In Maths, the probability of picking the right one would be approximately 1/100,000. Christians, Muslims, Polytheists, Hindus (ignoring the numerous denominations under them) all claim to have the right God(s) and religion or way of life. Why would God make it so difficult for people to locate him even while knowing that a lot of these poor people will willingly devout all their lives to him. Think about a person like Mother Theresa spending an eternity in hell or facing destruction just because she was a catholic and didn't believe in 99,999/100,000 of the other gods besides hers. Or Mahatma Gandhi believing in a league of Gods but spending an eternity in hell or facing destruction for not knowing the true God or practising the true religion? What image does that paint for a God who hides himself from his creation and punishes them for not finding him ===> I know quite well that I'll be insulted or ignored because I may be hurting someone's feelings by the above writing but an honest-hearted person will see that I am not here to debate beliefs or criticize anyone but to....... ......yes to QUESTION God (that's if he exists) and since NairaLand is filled with his soldiers, maybe some of you may help him answer me! Thanks. 28 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by freethinker01: 10:30am On Jun 30, 2014 |
Same questions I've asked before, but when i couldn't get any reasonable answers, i felt i just can't continue deceiving myself... 7 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Nobody: 10:38am On Jun 30, 2014 |
freethinker01: Same questions I've asked before, but when i couldn't get any reasonable answers, i felt i just can't continue deceiving myself... like seriously it's annoying! 4 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by freethinker01: 10:48am On Jun 30, 2014 |
Reiyvinn:don't worry, u'll some answers here and believe me sincerely, they will be more annoying than the ones u've seen before. 2 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Weah96: 11:19am On Jun 30, 2014 |
Isaiah 45:7 King James Version I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 14 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Liveair: 11:26am On Jun 30, 2014 |
Like someone said sometime ago, 'A religion dies a natural death when new contrary findings are made'. Its now fact that the Earth isnt the centre of the universe. Its now fact that the earth is older than 2 billion years (bible says 1000s). Its fact that Space Telescopes have observed the creation of new planets and Stars (Bible says God completed creation in 6 days and rested). The God of the bible is a terrible hypocrite; He kills anyone at will, even his own Israelites after commanding them not to kill. He is jealous and full of pride, yet asks followers to be humble. He punishes offenders down to their children's generation yet asks people not to let the sun go down while they are angry. Frankly, if we were only thought the bible at adulthood, no one will believe its stories. They took advantage of our meekness as kids. That book is full of contradictions and ambiguity. 38 Likes 5 Shares |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by macof(m): 11:50am On Jun 30, 2014 |
Op, just dump religion and follow your consciousness Religion is nothing more than man made dogmas to cause commotion 15 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Nobody: 12:15pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Liveair: Like someone said sometime ago, 'A religion dies a natural death when new contrary findings are made'. Gbam!!!!! I'm even tired oh. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, all bullshit 13 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by benny4wax(m): 12:32pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
op...i understand your concern and worries, i too have asked those same questions and more but the only answer i get is silence. i am a sociologist and if i am to apply sociological knowledge and understanding to your question, we all will be miss-led so let me leave that for another time , but if you are very currious to understand what i am talking about then do a research on SOCIOLOGY OF RELIGION you will find answers. To me religion is a man made invention which he uses to maintain law and order in its society...even with that i still believe in a supreme being that makes the impossible possible. Please dont rationalize spiritual matters.... you can channel your curiousity to political, economic issues. so please, just let religion be. thus, it is beyond human reasoning and understanding, but looking at it from a positive perspective RELIGION DOES MORE GOOD THAN HARM IN THE SOCIETY.. PLEASE MODS FRONT PAGE THINGS.......WE NEED TO LEARN MORE... THANK YOU.... 9 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by ayoku777(m): 12:38pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Its right what they say that we see others or see things as we are. We are so fond of jugding God's character by our own definition of love. Let me ask; what would your own definition of a loving God look like: 1: A God who creates loving obedient beings unable to sin or unable to disobey, meaning their obedience is not a function of their choice but a function of the creators pre-programming. 2: A God who creates beings with right of will to choose between obedience or disobedience; but He doesn't let their choice of obedience or disobedience have any consequence. 3: A God who creates beings with the right of choice to obey or disobey. Let's their choices have consequences. But at the same time teach them His ways and gives them the grace to labour to obey Him; and will eventually judge all for what they choose. Which of these fits your definition of a loving God? We are always talking about "All-knowing God" and "All-loving God" when we want to rationalize questioning His character, as if those are all His character. What of All-just God? What of All-gracious God? You have to see the big picture of His character to rightly define His person and decode His purpose. But to help you further let me understand you by asking. Are you now an unbeliever trying to rationalize why you no longer believe in God to appease your conscience? Or you are still a born-again christian, trying to make sense of all that is going on in your life and in the world around you? 16 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by benny4wax(m): 12:58pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
ayoku777: Its right what they say that we see others or see things as we are. We are so fond of jugding God's character by own definition of love.you definately struck the nail on the head.. KUDOS..... MODS OYA FRONT PAGE NOW BEFORE I COUNT TO 10.... 1... 2..... 3...... 4........ 5........... 6............. 7............... 8................. 9.................. MAKE I GO SHIT I DEY COME BACK. 2 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Nobody: 2:16pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
ayoku777: Its right what they say that we see others or see things as we are. We are so fond of jugding God's character by own definition of love. Wrong. We judge God based on how HE defines love in the "holy" books. He said we should treat others the way we want to be treated by them (the Golden Rule) and here is how he faired in the test of his own rule: How He Desires To Be Treated: He instructed: "....He that knows the will of his master and does that which is deserving of whips shall be beaten with many strips but He that knows not the will of his master yet does that which is deserving of whips shall be beaten with a few." (Luke 12:44-46) IMPLICATION: * Note that we didn't choose to be created, we just found ourselves here. *God knew that the creation of Satan was bad for us as his creation but went on to create him thereby ruining his man before even creating him. * Yet he wants us to "LOVE" him (by obeying his Laws without question where ignorance isn't an excuse) even though he failed at "LOVING US" in the first place. * He can't say he never knew Satan would ruin his original intent for man unless you want us to believe that his original intent was for us to be the way we are right now (which would make him even more evil) * He knew what was bad for us but did it anyway (with man, it deserves many stripes. What about God ).Is God treating us the way he wants us to treat him? Let me ask; what would your own definition of a loving Wooooh! Maybe God isn't a perfect maker afterall. A Good programmer makes and designs good softwares. If he's imperfect, well, it's excusable that he makes imperfect softwares BUT FOR A PERFECT GOD!!!! 2: A God who creates beings with right of will to choose between obedience or disobedience; but He doesn't let their choice of obedience or disobedience have any consequence. Hahahah that begs the point. Right Statement: * A God who creates beings into a world without sin where disobedience, satan, sin, e.t.c does not exist. Afterall, it was that the Devil he created that even made Eve know disobedience. 3: A God who creates beings with the right of choice to obey or disobey. Let's their choices have consequences. But at the same time teach them His ways and gives them the grace to labour to obey Him; and will eventually judge all for what they choose. I wonder how you view a god that thinks to himself "If I create this Chibuzor, he will go astray and eventually burn in hell forever or will be destroyed" and yet goes on to create him? Consider a man who knows that a mixture of compounds in a Lab will eventually poison an entire population and yet go on to mix them. Both of them are murderers. Which of these fits your definition of a loving God? They don't fit my definition but your attempt to distort what i mean in order to escape the verdict of my rhetorics. We are always talking about "All-knowing God" and "All-loving God" when we want to rationalize questioning His character, as if those are all His character. What of All-just God? What of All-gracious God? You have to see the big picture of His character to rightly define His person and decode His purpose. From the teachings we see in "holy" books, he had an original purpose for man and it was thwarted by an ordinary unintended creature of his. So as you currently are, there is no assurance that his second purpose will be fulfilled. No wonder the Devil, according to your books, still gathers his armies to try his luck a second time. But to help you further let me understand you by asking. Are you now an unbeliever trying to rationalize why you don't believe in God to appease your conscience? Or you are still a born-again christian, trying to make sense of all that is going on in your life and in the world around you? I recently turned agnostic (i.e. I don't know if their is a real existing god among the thousands of man made gods but as for the gods professed by Christians and Muslims, I don't believe the existence of such confused, evil-minded gods). Thus, the essense of this thread is to share my view to see if there is a better God without all this madness and fairytales all over. And if I don't find any, maybe I could just go on becoming a full-blown atheist. Thanks 22 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by qstar(m): 3:39pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
God is often depicted as omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, omni-omni, etc. This means, God is aware of every little thing, good or bad, that is going to happen in our universe. To believers, this position cannot even be questioned. It's just what it is. Free thinkers however, would consider such statement as implying cowardice and laziness. If God created heaven and earth, and all its contents, it invariably means that we all belong to God. Sort of like one huge family. There are those among us who do nothing but work hard, praise God, and handle our responsibilities to our family and friends. From time to time, natural disasters occur that wipe out good and bad people alike. Families are shattered. Children lose their parents. Examples are Tsunami, Katrina, volcanic eruptions, tornadoes, etc. Furthermore, there are terminal diseases such as cancer, AIDS, that afflict and kill millions yearly. I presume God knew about all these before they happened. God should also have the power to stop them, or at least reward good and innocent people by sparing them the agony. If God had the power to stop the disasters, why didn't he? The fact is, if I know of an impending catastrophe that is going to hit my family, and I have the power to do something about it, I'd do something to prevent it, or at least get the good people out of the way. Why did God ignore things and let people suffer in this manner, particularly small kids who end up losing both parents, or a family losing its only breadwinner. 9 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Weah96: 3:45pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Reiyvinn: LOL. Mankind fell from grace once. Human sacrifice was required to restore grace. I wonder what's stopping us from falling a second time. Maybe the ritualists are correct, human sacrifice does bring riches. 4 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Rhymeyjohn: 3:53pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
The problem with many of you sudden weary mind wanderers is that you have been spoonfed and filled with religion, you suddenly stumbled on atheism, and a factory reset was on. Any question that follows [from the new atheist] is just a product of his great confusion, and that why reason dosent make an immediate effect even to the atheist who thinks he is reasoning. Arguments too wont help matters. OP, please calm down and read this www.nairaland.com/1333818/gulibility-ex-christian-atheist and answer these question here Were you ever a christian Any concrete relationship with God ever? What's your purpose on earth if there is no God Please sir, direct and short answers. Popular atheist Betrand Russel said, LIFE ONLY HAS A PURPOSE, WHEN GOD IS DEFINED |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by qstar(m): 4:02pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
hmmm 4 Likes
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| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Weah96: 4:04pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Rhymeyjohn: The purpose of life is death. Only living things die. But your question is deceptive. It gives the impression that your religion is true if the answer is unknown. We both don't know if GEJ is wearing socks right this minute. If a third person comes and says that he's wearing orange socks, do we accept his answer because we both don't know? Or do you tell him to STFU, that all three of us don't know? 9 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by qstar(m): 4:08pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Rhymeyjohn: The problem with many of you sudden weary mind wanderers is that you have been spoonfed and filled with religion, you suddenly stumbled on atheism, and a factory reset was on. Any question that follows [from the new atheist] is just a product of his great confusion, and that why reason dosent make an immediate effect even to the atheist who thinks he is reasoning. Arguments too wont help matters. I have read the Bible times without numbers. I have been a christian, a jim-jim brother, for years, in the past. The problem with most religious peeps is that most of them have not even finished their Bible. Most of them are just lazy and fearful. Their brains have been irreversibly programmed. 8 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by qstar(m): 4:15pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Weah96: The biblical God is simply incompetent. Actually, in the bible stories, man fell more than two times and he(God) sought a remedy on each occasion. The first was in the garden of eden. The second was during the time of noah. He(God) committed the world's greatest record of genocide. The most recent was about 2000years ago. Predicting from the Bible stories, he(God) would soon come up with another impotent attempt. That is, if He is still alive now, maybe karma has caught up with him. 6 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Rhymeyjohn: 4:26pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
The issue about atheism is like a young adult, after growing to know his/her freedom as a adult suddenly proclaims, I HAVE NO PARENTS, I DROPPED FROM THE SKY AND I CAN PROVE IT, such is the claim of one who says i used to be a christian, but now an atheist. In a bid to prove intellectual, they make uncautious assertions. To claim that you 'know' some one [or God] and later claim the person dosent exist is the height of delusion. To put it succintly, Atheism is a mirage at its best, mental and philosophical delusion at its worse. An atheist is some one who wants to escape the reality of being held accountable for his actions. Its a state of mental ease from the guilt of a God who would hold them for their actions. No wonder the bible says,'the fool has said in his heart there is no God, they are corrupt, they have done abominable, there, there is none that doeth good . I expect to be mangled with words for holding up my view, what ever, God bless you. 4 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Weah96: 4:35pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
This guy sounds like he has a mountain of doubt about his own religion. You're like the fanatic gay basher, secretly craving a dose of c) ock yourself. Muslims believe in God and yet they are going to your hell along with the 'foolish' atheists, of what use then is intelligence to your God? 9 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Rhymeyjohn: 4:40pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
qstar:24 years?!, so obviously, you are above 30, i thought older people should act/talk wiser. If you know my age, you'd know you are insulting your years. Rather than being directionless about life, why not answer the simple questions. Were you ever a christian? (not how many times you read the bible through, ok?) Any concrete relationship with God ever (answer straight, please dont blab) Whats life's purpose without God? Am waiting for your diginified (i hope you are a dignified person) response. thanks 3 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by benny4wax(m): 4:42pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
i am really enjoying this discussion...... its very educative and at the same time misleading.... MODS FRONT PAGE NA I BEG! |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Maximus85(m): 4:43pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Before I say anything, I want to ask the OP, Who created you? Your answer will determine if the truth you are looking for will make any sense to you. 1 Like |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by qstar(m): 4:54pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Rhymeyjohn: The issue about atheism is like a young adult, after growing to know his/her freedom as a adult suddenly proclaims, I HAVE NO PARENTS, I DROPPED FROM THE SKY AND I CAN PROVE IT, such is the claim of one who says i used to be a christian, but now an atheist. In a bid to prove intellectual, they make uncautious assertions. To claim that you 'know' some one [or God] and later claim the person dosent exist is the height of delusion. You really do not have anything to say. To say the least, in some instances, some people do doubt the genuity of their parents. --- a DNA test sorts that out. Even if they weren't your real parents, atleast, they would still have shown some care. But, why is God claiming to be the head of the family of this universe and has also disappeared into oblivion? Stop calling atheists fools. Matthew 5:22 "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgement. Again, anyone who says to his brother 'Raca', is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool' will be in the fire of hell". Besides, every religion tags whoever that does not believe in it's God(s) "infidel" and "fool". So, going by religious books, we are all fools. That doesn't conform with the current morality standards. 14 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by qstar(m): 4:59pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Rhymeyjohn: Then, you are not welcome into this thread. The OP emphasized that he doesn't need fanatics or immature comments. You may wish to hold an intellectual debate with an atheist. "Mazaje" is an atheist on this forum, if you feel you have read enough, please start up a thread on the issue of religion and God. Invite him, he will glady honour it, I promise. 7 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by qstar(m): 5:10pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Maximus85: Before I say anything, I want to ask the OP, Who created you? Your answer will determine if the truth you are looking for will make any sense to you. I don't think you were created. If you hold a contrary view, please share with us. When and where you were created. 5 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Nobody: 5:17pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Weah96: Nna chop kola there. I'm wondering where the second Lamb would even come from, lol. I strongly believe it's from Nigeria. May it not be a Nairalander IJN. 3 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by qstar(m): 7:14pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
Reiyvinn: @bolded. Isn't that supposed to be a kind of irony? Lol. |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Kei144(m): 7:52pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
I can only present my answer to the question of this thread from the viewpoint of the Christian Bible. Job 1:6 One day the angels [Hebrew the sons of God] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan [Satan means accuser.] also came with them. Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going to and fro in it.” Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no-one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.” God created so many (almost infinite) things in the universe. But there are some things that God made in His image; those things are called sons of God. Sons of God are autonomous beings, just like God. The relationship between them and God is not different from the relationship between human parent and the offspring. We may not fully understand the relationship between human parent and the offspring because the usual thing is that the parent dies along the way, living the offspring to be in total control. If not for the fall of man, the human offspring would grow and become exactly like the parent, with neither of them ever going to die. In such a situation, can you imagine the relationship between parent and offspring when both of them are a few thousands of years old? Well, Lucifer got to a point in time where he knew virtually everything that God knew and possessed quite some tremendous powers. The same applied to other angels. Due to some reasons, Lucifer decided to rebel against God, his father; and some other angels who shared his conviction joined him. Should we blame God for creating beings that are like Him? If we do, then we are also blaming God for creating man, because man is also a son of God. One thing I definitely know is that God is in control. Even though Lucifer and some angels rebelled against God, and man eventually joined them, the system that God created is still good. The fact that human beings suffer in the flesh in the world today is not as bad as people think. Human beings are actually eternal beings. the few years that they spend in the flesh are merely school days. The experience of the school days will become very useful in eternity. As for all the hype about heaven and hell, this is what I can say: 1Co. 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 1Co. 13:10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 1Jn. 4:16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. When perfection comes, in Eternity, we will all realize the meaning of "God is love." 4 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by mazaje(m): 8:21pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
OP what you need to know is that all religions and gods are all man made that is why there are many different gods and many different religions. . .God is just a human concept, a human idea and perception. . .Its not as if gods exist in reality, it is the ideas that exist not the gods themselves. . .Stop basing your existence on STORIES written by unknown Jews and Romans. . .Hope you know that the bible you are using as your basis for god is written mostly by unknown authors?. . . .Same with the koran and other religious text. . .They indoctrinate us with all these things since we are babies and use the fear card to keep us in line. . .They tell us we are very special and in for many goodies for accepting their fiction and mythology, they condemn others that do not accept these stories, others who have invented their own stories, fiction and mythology. . .Muslims and christians for example both believe in this god idea, but the muslims TRULY believs that the christians are misguided, on the wrong path and will end up in hell for eternity for refusing to accept allah and mohammed his messenger. . .So belief in god does not even matter at all, according to them you need the right god, but which is the right god when all gods are just man made ideas?. . . .Stop using stories written by unknown men as the basis of your existence. . . As to why people believe, i'll say it's because I think it's more that people prefer simple answers, particularly ones that play to their fears and other biases. Most religions teach that humanity is the special snowflake of creation. . . I think religion's continued success is in part an acknowledgement of what people have observed since we began asking questions, but the reality is that the universe as a whole does not care about us. That's a pretty scary, bleak truth for a lot of folks to swallow, they prefer stories where humans have a special purpose from the creator of all things, so they invent and make up stories to placate their minds. 9 Likes |
| Re: Questions That Baffle Me About God by Nobody: 8:31pm On Jun 30, 2014 |
All these are questions that i've asked myself several times but i think the most important is the question about his origin? How ll this Almighty creator bestow such intelligence on his creations yet leave these questions unanswered? 5 Likes |
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