Apatheist:
I mentioned the USA because they were sold to them.
where did African Americans come from?
isn't it from the children of the former slaves?


really? slavery is moral?
I guess you wouldn't object if your children are used as slaves.


Magick, theirs is different from the Africans.
or is their "majick" stronger than your ancestors?

FYI, the British have been Christian for millennia, the soldiers were Christian, and they used the Bible to justify slavery.

Apatheist:
What exactly did they worship?
what was in their shrines?

Reiyvinn:
In summary, the questions are:

QUESTION 1: Why then does Satan, Sin, Hell, Destruction, e.t.c exist? People say it was satan but God created Satan, didn't he?

QUESTION 2
Which of these: Christians, Muslims, Polytheists, Hindus (ignoring the numerous denominations under them) has the right God(s) and religion or way of life?

macof:

Isn't it a little to late to ask this question has u in ur arrogant stupidity have claimed what you know nothing about

macof:

I mentioned colonization, and you mentioned USA...don't u see ur folly?


oh! I see u are a waste of time, ur brain is natural a pile of shiit..

efficiencie:

I do not claim to have immutable answers but I'll state God's words and let his inspiration do the rest.

On QUESTION 1

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Whoever is fit to be called 'God' must be all knowing and boundless in space and time.

What are the implications of this given the axiom that he created entities with the ability to CHOOSE?

# Postulate 1
If we accept that God made free moral agents, then he (God) must have meant that they (free moral agents) would choose their destiny. Else he (God) would have made robots and not free moral agents.


# Postulate 2
God must as a matter of necessity know the population of likely choices that free moral agents can make but as a righteous impartial judge he can only meddle with the choices of men at the permission of men. Man must choose to let God meddle else God has no right to! Yes, he doesn't.


# Postulate 3
God could not have created satan, satan re-created himself by his choices. Lucifer as a free moral agent chose his destiny and by so doing got 'born again' with a new baptismal name: 'satan'. This follows from postulates 1 and 2!


These three postulates absolves God of any responsibility for man's woes!

On QUESTION 2

There are no such things as MANY TRUTHS, there can only be ONE! Hence if all the religions of the world are simply different versions of the truth then they must be ESSENTIALLY EQUIVALENT but this is not as they differ at the VERY CORE!

Hence the questions, which of them is true and why the multiplicity!?

On the TRUTH

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

All religions with the exception of a few agree that whoever God is, he must be a 'Spirit'. It becomes futile applying the scientific method in finding God rather spiritual means must be adopted.

I'm not a spiritual sage yet but i know four things that will get you to discover the truth about God!

# ONE
Seperate yourself from the affairs of the world. Isolate yourself from friends, family, entertainment and pleasure.

Proverbs 18:1 Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom.

# TWO
Challenge God with your question:

'Who are you LORD GOD, identify your self?'

If God exists, he'll hear you and if God is not a coward he'll respond to your challenge.

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

# THREE
Wait patiently for an answer.

You are a mere human and God (if he exists) is the Father of all spirits so don't be in a haste to get frustrated. wait.

Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Psalm 27:14 Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.

# FOUR
Challenge whatever revelation comes (if at all it comes) until God proves himself beyond all reasonable doubt

Exodus 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.

On the MULTIPLICITY of SUBSTITUTES to the TRUTH

Who gains from the present multiplicity of religions, if there can only be one truth? Whoever it is, it must be someone who seeks to derail many from the truth and who can this person be?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Well whoever this entity is it must be the arch enemy of God seeking to distort the truth and make many ask, just as you have asked: 'who really is God?'

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

In summary brother, seek the one truth and you'll find it just as many HONEST ATHIESTS did and found God and went on to become MIGHTY MEN of RENOWN!

Dapo777:

Do u really think they haven't done all that u ascribed above?

I saw a post on this thread where an atheist said he did all that for 20 Yrs without any answer/reply from God.
What about that?

Dapo777:

Do u really think they haven't done all that u ascribed above?

I saw a post on this thread where an atheist said he did all that for 20 Yrs without any answer/reply from God.
What about that?

Apatheist:
Maybe he forgot to tithe.

efficiencie:


laughter is best when it comes last...

efficiencie:

yes yu cld av such an example...but there are also countless examples of persons who did it and got life changing results...My brother the question that should be asked is: Do you really want to find God.

Moses met God and asked for a sign and got one but the pharisees and saducess asked and got a rebuke! Many who say they are athiests have experienced the power of God and assumed it away as a random event such should not expect to find God no matter how long they tarry...some others who were not so privileged but yet believed God via his often ignored acts of God.

In my case, i haven't seen God and i don't need to. Everytime i look at my past and imagine the manner in which the events of my past are ordered strangely as though an invisible hand was directing me all along I come to the conclusion that he exists...and via revelational knowledge I came to know that that God is Jesus the Christ.

Great events takes place in the church nowadays that provide evidence that God exists and that Jesus is Lord! At least if you won't trust in the mere words of a theologian, pastor or teacher, trust in the signs and wonders that are recorded daily in the church. Go to a church and see for yourselves, make your investigations and arrive at your conclusion based on church empirics - churches like: RCCG, MFM, SCOAN, DLBC, FAITH TABERNACLE...to mention but a few.

...but if yet you won't believe, well enjoy and continue in your ways. The end would justify our stance.


Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Dapo777:

Ok for ur information, I have gone to mfm prayer city along Ibadan Lagos express way,for 3 days prayer and fasting with my family last year,a prophet assigned for us told my eldest sister that she was going to get married to a man with gap in his front teeth(as a sign) before the end of the year,till now,she is not yet married.
Explain that!!!!!

Dapo777:

Ok for ur information, I have gone to mfm prayer city along Ibadan Lagos express way,for 3 days prayer and fasting with my family last year,a prophet assigned for us told my eldest sister that she was going to get married to a man with gap in his front teeth(as a sign) before the end of the year,till now,she is not yet married.
Explain that!!!!!

qstar:

Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.

Hebrews 4:13
And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Matthew 10:30
But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.

Psalm 139:4
Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.

Revelations 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

1 John 3:19-20
By this we shall know that we are of the truth and
reassure our heart before him; for whenever our
heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart,
and he knows everything.

Isaiah 46:9
I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done.

qstar: God is often depicted as omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, omni-omni, etc.

This means, God is aware of every little thing,
good or bad, that is going to happen in our
universe.

To believers, this position cannot even be
questioned. It's just what it is.

Free thinkers however, would consider such
statement as implying cowardice and laziness.

If God created heaven and earth, and all its contents, it invariably means that we all belong to God. Sort of like one huge family.
There are those among us who do nothing but work hard, praise God, and handle our responsibilities to our family and friends.
From time to time, natural disasters occur that wipe out good and bad people alike. Families are shattered. Children lose their parents. Examples are Tsunami, Katrina, volcanic eruptions, tornadoes, etc. Furthermore, there are terminal diseases such as cancer, AIDS, that afflict and kill millions yearly.

I presume God knew about all these before they happened.
God should also have the power to stop them, or at least reward good and innocent people by sparing them the agony.

If God had the power to stop the disasters, why
didn't he?

The fact is, if I know of an impending catastrophe that is going to hit my family, and I have the power to do something about it, I'd do something to prevent it, or at least get the good people out of the way.

Why did God ignore things and let people suffer in
this manner, particularly small kids who end up
losing both parents, or a family losing its only
breadwinner.

JMAN05:

Concerning Sodom and Gomorrah, the bible says:

[ESV] Genesis 18:21 I will go down to see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry that has come to me. And if not, I will know.”

Dapo777:

Ok for ur information, I have gone to mfm prayer city along Ibadan Lagos express way,for 3 days prayer and fasting with my family last year,a prophet assigned for us told my eldest sister that she was going to get married to a man with gap in his front teeth(as a sign) before the end of the year,till now,she is not yet married.
Explain that!!!!!

efficiencie:

My bro I don't know who prophesied to your sister and I don't know why you were at MFM to fast and pray but I know this:

Prophecies are revelations based on the broad dictates and principles of God as enshrined in the Word.
Hence there are three possibilities:

1. The prophet may be false (This is the case of 400 lying prophets in I kings 22: 1-40)
2. The prophet prophesied from God but your sister derailed off the principles of God in thoughts and deeds (This is the case of the children of Israel who were promised entry into the promise land by prophecy but yet perished in the wilderness Deuteronomy 2:14)
3. The prophet prophesied from God but unopposed demons with a legal ground snatched the fulfillment of the prophecy (Daniel prayed and got an immediate response but the dark principality of Persia withheld the results of his prayer Daniel 10:10-21)

...but must such delay make you reject God. The kingdom of God is the most important thing you must seek (Matthew 6:33). God's kingdom is not a place but a lifestyle led, directed and controlled by the HolyGhost...Seek the indwelling of the HolyGhost and enjoy life as a son and not a stranger (Romans 8: 14 and Romans 14:17)

freethinker01: Same questions I've asked before, but when i couldn't get any reasonable answers, i felt i just can't continue deceiving myself...

Liveair: Like someone said sometime ago, 'A religion dies a natural death when new contrary findings are made'.
Its now fact that the Earth isnt the centre of the universe.
Its now fact that the earth is older than 2 billion years (bible says 1000s).
Its fact that Space Telescopes have observed the creation of new planets and Stars (Bible says God completed creation in 6 days and rested).
The God of the bible is a terrible hypocrite;
He kills anyone at will, even his own Israelites after commanding them not to kill.
He is jealous and full of pride, yet asks followers to be humble.
He punishes offenders down to their children's generation yet asks people not to let the sun go down while they are angry.
Frankly, if we were only thought the bible at adulthood, no one will believe its stories. They took advantage of our meekness as kids. That book is full of contradictions and ambiguity.

Apatheist:
Your sister fine? make I break my front teeth

Dapo777:

Am not sure she would be interested in an atheist.

iam_ord: same here but iat least I got some answers.. Answers enough to back out of all the brainwash

Dapo777:

@The last possibility, do you mean we have demons who are powerful/legal enough to stop God's prophecy from bringing forth result? Shouldnt God be more powerful than the demons,when God says Yes,can demons say no?
@ first possibility, I don't think So,this is mfm prayer city Am talking about here not just any church,are they false prophets at mfm prayer city?
@Second possibility,everyone is a sinner,you sin,I sin,we all sin,going by this possibility then no prophecy would ever come to pass because we are all fvck

give me a better explanation
Thanks

efficiencie:

I laugh at your response!

last possibility God's prophecy are contingent on meeting his conditions. Doing righteousness, mercy and justice. Violate God's law and demons cease that opportunity to stop your prophecy!

1st possibility A false prophet is anyone who prophesies by any source other than the HolyGhost though it may come to pass. And false prophets can be found anywhere. Even Ahab the king had 400 false prophets prophesying lies...Don't think i'm being denomination centred i worship at MFM!

2nd possibility If your sister and your entire family were perpetual, incurable and pathetic sinners then why waste your time going for prayers in the first place. With all due respect, wouldn't that be dumb. If you all wanted results from God wouldn't you seek to maintain his laws?

Anyway bro, you may have your mind fixed and i guess even God cannot convince you. May your conviction stand test of fire.

Dapo777:

What are you talking about?
Why do Christians always avoid questions thrown at them?

Last possibility, can u mention someone's name who doesn't violate God's law?

1st possibility, u didn't answer my question. ARE THEY FALSE PROPHETS AT MFM PRAYER CITY.

2nd possibility, are you telling me that everyone that goes to mfm prayer city are or must be HOLY? I think u are d dumb one here because no one is holy. Or maybe u think u are holy. Trash!!!!

May ur stupidity stand d test of time.

efficiencie:

If my present state in God is STUPIDITY then i'm grateful to God for making stupid...I wonder where i'd have been if i weren't as stupid...And if i'm stupid, then God must be stupid and all of those that believe in him must be stupid as well...at least we believers all have something in common...GREAT STUPIDITY!

Again i say:

Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be
unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be
filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be
righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be
holy still.

Dapo777:

What are you talking about?
Why do Christians always avoid questions thrown at them?

Last possibility, can u mention someone's name who doesn't violate God's law?

1st possibility, u didn't answer my question. ARE THEY FALSE PROPHETS AT MFM PRAYER CITY.

2nd possibility, are you telling me that everyone that goes to mfm prayer city are or must be HOLY? I think u are d dumb one here because no one is holy. Or maybe u think u are holy. Trash!!!!

May ur stupidity stand d test of time.

efficiencie:


yu nid to lighten up bro! we are just stating our positions don't take it personal...one love

qstar:

If you want to woo a girl, will you send someone else to do that for you?

Go and tell your deity that we are tired of "hear-say". If he/they/it/she really loves us and wants us to love it/him/them back, let it come and do the wooing. We are tired of third-party apologists. Tell the boss to come, I am waiting.

Dapo777:

No the boss can't come, Why do u think he is boss? He can only send people,to give u signs that He is boss,just like stories of Elijah against Baal and that of Moses against Pharaoh.