JackBizzle:

Okay, so what purpose does Christ give your life?
Just so you know, there are many Nigerian christians living meaningless lives in poverty. Some wasting their lives as slaves to political godfathers. Some wasting their lives as ushers in church that wear the same clothes every sunday with body odour.

You remind me of wise king Solomon, after using his wisdom to examine the essence of life he discovered the everything is "vanity upon vanity ". But at the end of his book "Ecclesiastics " he made an amazing statement "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all."
You are wise but yet a fool because you don't know the true wisdom which comes from reasoning with your heart.

musKeeto:

Ol' boy, you are just being disingenuous here. DOES God survive?

Sure. God survives.

The only meaning that life shows is simply to pass on your genetic code....and it even messes up at that......
any other meaning while you are alive is up to you.
If you were meant to serve "god" you'd know about it....not be indoctrinated on it...
If you were meant to serve "yahweh" then everyone ever born since antiquity would be christian...
As you can see anyone that serves "god/gods" did so out of indoctrination,influence or "dreams"...not because it is true or anything demonstrate-able..
That is why to the theist,a "fo0l" is anyone that doesn't agree with them..........
Like a child that decides that anyone that doesn't agree with him is "stup1d"

UyiIredia:


Survival: to KEEP ON living

Survival is also a purpose too. A purpose that can be lost when one is depressed and decides to commit suicide.

A meaningless purpose.


Survival is not a purpose. Just like pooing/defecating is not a purpose. They are biological functions

Hiswordxray:


You remind me of wise king Solomon, after using his wisdom to examine the essence of life he discovered the everything is "vanity upon vanity ". But at the end of his book "Ecclesiastics " he made an amazing statement "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all."
You are wise but yet a fool because you don't know the true wisdom which comes from reasoning with your heart.

Vanity upon vanity.

Even king Solomon knew that life is nothing but a meaningless material existence

davien:
The only meaning that life shows is simply to pass on your genetic code....and it even messes up at that......
any other meaning while you are alive is up to you.
If you were meant to serve "god" you'd know about it....not be indoctrinated on it...
If you were meant to serve "yahweh" then everyone ever born since antiquity would be christian...
As you can see anyone that serves "god/gods" did so out of indoctrination,influence or "dreams"...not because it is true or anything demonstrate-able..
That is why to the theist,a "fo0l" is anyone that doesn't agree with them..........
Like a child that decides that anyone that doesn't agree with him is "stup1d"

true....even the passing on of genetic codes gets messed up. So many disorders and mutations get involved

JackBizzle:



true....even the passing on of genetic codes gets messed up. So many disorders and mutations get involved

yup...

malvisguy212:

babies who died from womb are one particular class of individuals that certainly go to heaven even though they haven't accepted Jesus as Savior. The Bible makes it
clear that infants and children who die go to heaven on the basis of their inability to fully understand the difference between good and evil and make a rational choice. It is likely that older individuals who are, likewise, unable to choose.
Some reasons for reaching such a conclusion are as follows:
1. The Lord Jesus Christ died for all of Adam's race (for all mankind), including every infant that has ever been born. Consider the following study: For Whom Did Christ Die?
2. A person is condemned for rejecting Jesus Christ and for refusing to believe in Him: "He that believeth on Him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the Name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). An infant is not capable of rejecting Jesus Christ. An infant is incapable of committing the sin mentioned in John 16:9.
3. Those who go to hell in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 are those who have deliberately disobeyed the gospel by refusing to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Infants have not willfully disobeyed the gospel. Note: The heathen, who are not under the hearing of the gospel, are condemned for rejecting the lesser revelation that God has given to them (Rom. 1:20-21, etc.). For a detailed study of this see Romans chapter 1. But an infant would also be incapable of rejecting this lesser revelation.
4. Revelation 20:11-15 indicates that all of the unsaved are resurrected to appear before the Great White Throne, and twice it is stressed that each will be judged according to their works. It is doubtful that young infants are included in this evaluation. What evil works has a 6 month old baby committed?
5. Consider the compassionate heart of God for those who are lost: "Who will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4--this is God's desire). "Not willing that any should perish" (2 Pet. 3:9). "Even so it is not the will of your Father, who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish" (Matt. 18:14). "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked" (Ezekiel 33:11). While these verses do not refer specifically to infants, they do teach us that the loving and merciful heart of our God desires the salvation of all men.

God did not create this univers to be perfect,God only called it good,the Bible says that God allows
temporary, bounded evil in order to allow free will beings to have the
ability to love and to make
choices.the choices we make may affect other's people.

One logical statement, you did not make at all.


This thread is too philosophical to argue based on only theology. Go preach somewhere else.


If babies that die in the womb or even before an age of reasoning, then they do not get to worship God in this life......which then means that worshipping god is not the purpose of life. One can live a very brief life without even knowing God but yet still go to heaven.

italo:


If life truly has no meaning, then all the above is meaningless.

No?

Life itself has no innate meaning.

That doesnt necessarily mean that it applies to everything we see.

1, Reasoning and logic ain't d Only effective way of acquiring knowledge bout our universe. u sounded more like Rene Descartes.
2, life sure does have meaning. that is the Reason we are all alive.....those who have lost all hope Or ascribe life as meaningless are those that commit suicide.
3, deriz what we call intelligence in ocean animals. to some theorist, whales are as intelligent as humans....4, ain't u a christian, don't you belief in the resurrection? if I am and I do believe are your responx , then to christians, that's the Meaning of life.

lanxlot:
1, Reasoning and logic ain't d Only effective way of acquiring knowledge bout our universe. u sounded more like Rene Descartes.
2, life sure does have meaning. that is the Reason we are all alive.....those who have lost all hope Or ascribe life as meaningless are those that commit suicide.
3, deriz what we call intelligence in ocean animals. to some theorist, whales are as intelligent as humans....4, ain't u a christian, don't you belief in the resurrection? if I am and I do believe are your responx , then to christians, that's the Meaning of life.

It is refreshing to see a christian use logic.

Now, logic and reasoning are the only effective ways of acquiring knowledge. They limit bias in our research.

@OP,
Life is meaningless to you and your fellow hopeless atheists. To us Christians, life has a glorious meaning in Christ Jesus.

JackBizzle:



It is refreshing to see a christian use logic.

Now, logic and reasoning are the only effective ways of acquiring knowledge. They limit bias in our research.

Its not true. ok, tell me the differences between reasoning and common sense. most of the things we hold as to what common sense teaches are flawed. Its Only logical to say....two heads are better than one right? now how about too many cooks spoil the broth if indeed two heads are better than one?

I like this.

I can feel it reverberating in my soul


@honourhim I sight you...what have you got to say?

JackBizzle:



It is refreshing to see a christian use logic.

Now, logic and reasoning are the only effective ways of acquiring knowledge. They limit bias in our research.

You only spoke within the limits of your knowledge. For us christians, logic and reasoning are not the only effective ways of acquiring knowledge.

lanxlot:
Its not true. ok, tell me the differences between reasoning and common sense. most of the things we hold as to what common sense teaches are flawed. Its Only logical to say....two heads are better than one right? now how about too many cooks spoil the broth if indeed two heads are better than one?

there are logical paradoxes.

honourhim:


You only spoke within the limits of your knowledge. For us christians, logic and reasoning are not the only effective ways of acquiring knowledge.

I know, there is also lying for Christ, having spiritual visions and special dreams to learn about the world.


mtchewwww

JackBizzle:




there are logical paradoxes.

oh! spare me

JackBizzle:



I know, there is also lying for Christ, having spiritual visions and special dreams to learn about the world.


mtchewwww

the king of egypt had revelation through dream about d famine. isn't that knowledge?

in short, let's put this in perspective. what is knowledge?

JackBizzle:



Life itself has no innate meaning.

That doesnt necessarily mean that it applies to everything we see.

Oh! So life has begun to have meaning that is not innate afterall.

lanxlot:
oh! spare me

Common sense is sometimes wrong.

Our brains are wired to see patterns as intuitive.....even when such patterns are just illusions or not there.

This is where logic needs to be met with hard evidence.


What comes first? The chicken or the egg?
^^^
Logic and common sense cannot answer the above question. You need the theory of evolution (based on dna and fossil evidence) to answer the question.

italo:


Oh! So life has begun to have meaning that is not innate afterall.

I fail to see your point.

JackBizzle:



Common sense is sometimes wrong.

Our brains are wired to see patterns as intuitive.....even when such patterns are just illusions or not there.

This is where logic needs to be met with hard evidence.


What comes first? The chicken or the egg?
^^^
Logic and common sense cannot answer the above question. You need the theory of evolution (based on dna and fossil evidence) to answer the question.

ok, use the theory of evolution to ans that questn. let's see

lanxlot:
ok, use the theory of evolution to ans that questn. let's see

The chicken came first.....or rather an ancestral bird evolved and developed the ability to lay eggs

Life is not meaningless. You're only looking at it from a human angle: a species that has cost this planet all sorts of damage.
Life presents opportunities and lessons that help develop our inner man. It is one of the reasons why in the darkest of plaves, in the prison cells, in grave times, hope still shines through.
To the foolish man who believes this life is all there is, life would be utterly meaningless. To the one who knows he trancends this world in the form of ideas and thoughts he propagates during his sojourn, life has purpose. And that purpose is to conquer, to surmount every fear, to learn, to explore, to embrace knowledge wherever it may be found. I have found a purpose in Lucifer. It is left to you to find yours.

davien:
The only meaning that life shows is simply to pass on your genetic code....and it even messes up at that......
any other meaning while you are alive is up to you.
If you were meant to serve "god" you'd know about it....not be indoctrinated on it...
If you were meant to serve "yahweh" then everyone ever born since antiquity would be christian...
As you can see anyone that serves "god/gods" did so out of indoctrination,influence or "dreams"...not because it is true or anything demonstrate-able..
That is why to the theist,a "fo0l" is anyone that doesn't agree with them..........
Like a child that decides that anyone that doesn't agree with him is "stup1d"

If meaning of life is up to each individual, why are you here trying to teach us the meaning of life.

Why don't you leave each individual with his own meaning?

JackBizzle:



The chicken came first.....or rather an ancestral bird evolved and developed the ability to lay eggs

Or it could be the egg. If the ancestral bird is not classified as a chicken, it could then be the egg.

A simple view is that at whatever point the threshold was crossed and the first chicken was hatched, it had to hatch from an egg. The type of bird that laid that egg, by definition, was on the other side of the threshold and therefore not a chicken—it may be viewed as a proto-chicken or ancestral chicken of some sort, from which a genetic variation or mutation occurred that resulted in the egg being laid containing the embryo of the first chicken. In this light, the argument is settled and the 'egg' had to have come first. However, whether this was defined as a chicken egg or proto-chicken egg is debatable. So technically the egg came before the chicken, but the chicken may have come before the chicken egg. So it depends on whether the question is "What came first, the Chicken or the egg" or "what came first, the Chicken or the Chicken egg"

italo:


If meaning of life is up to each individual, why are you here trying to teach us the meaning of life.

Why don't you leave each individual with his own meaning?

Seriously?

JackBizzle:


I fail to see your point.

My point?

Your point that life is meaningless...is meaningless.

If life were meaningless, reason, logic, would be meaningless.

You believe there is a purpose you are having this meaningful discussion in a purposeless and meaningless life?

You a joker.

JackBizzle:



It is refreshing to see a christian use logic.

Now, logic and reasoning are the only effective ways of acquiring knowledge. They limit bias in our research.

And it is logical to believe that logic and reasoning just emerged from nowhere...from a chemical reaction?

There is a difference between "life" and "living"...