Hiswordxray:


I am giving you the answer you have been searching for, I am offering you rest. Eph 4:3,10 "For we who have believed do enter that rest,... For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His."
You will find rest in Christ for he promised "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." (John 14:27).
This offer is better than a million dollar, even those swimming in gold still suffer from lack of Christ. But Christ loves you and it breaks his heart to see you suffer from emptiness, feeling like life is purposeless when he died to give you a divine purpose. He what you to be a part of his glorious plan which he had from the foundation of the world.
Don't be afraid just listen to your heart.

If you were telling me this to my face, I'd probably just laugh at you (while imagining if you would turn the other cheek if I bitchslapped you)

JackBizzle:



If you were telling me this to my face, I'd probably just laugh at you (while imagining if you would turn the other cheek if I bitchslapped you)

Here you go again trying to bring up another silly argument and ignoring the cry and desperation in you heart.
Pride won't do you any good now. If you are willing to accept Jesus you can email me. I will help you to have and enjoy a beautiful relationship with God. When you get to know him you will realize that God is love, for he will flood your heart with his love.

The purpose of a Christian is either to sin or to go to heaven. Christians, very simpleminded set of people.

this is the basic (literary) truth, life has no 'general purpose or meaning', its up to individuals to define their purpose of living and decide the meaning you give to your own life.


Just dont force your own personal purpose or meaning on another person. Dont shove it on peoples throat.


Defining myself, as opposed to being defined
by others, is one of the most difficult challenges I face-Marieolae

JackBizzle:




Sorry

beta

JackBizzle:



If you were telling me this to my face, I'd probably just laugh at you (while imagining if you would turn the other cheek if I bitchslapped you)

You can come up with argument and excuses and people could give you logical reasons but non of these could stop the heartache. But here is an answer: God is so hopelessly in love with you that he couldn't stay, he couldn't resist it but to send his only son to die for you. He didn't have a choice, he was hopelessly in love with you. He did this so that he could remove the obstacle between him and you. Now if only you allow him, he would release his untamed love on you and I tell you, his love will intoxicate you. You will experience a love the world doesn't know, a satisfaction the world cann't give. Just come and allow him.

Hiswordxray:
No! It is life without Christ that has no meaning. This is what happens to people who are separated from the one who is life himself, the become confuse and feel like life is meaningless. They think they are wise but that emptiness in their heart proves they are desperately in need of the God who his love. If you find God you find the purpose of life.

God will bless u abundantly amen.
I pray they knw the truth and d truth will set them free amen.

JackBizzle:




effectiveness and purpose are two different things.


We do not know the purpose of a tiger but we do know that it is effective at hunting smaller prey. One of the best hunters in the jungle.


A man with a purposeless or meaningless life might be a very wealthy and healthy man. Yet, he still feels empty on the inside.

How can you judge the effectiveness of something without knowing the purpose of that thing?

You know a tiger is an effective hunter because you know the purpose of hunting (to catch prey, mainly for food).

But you don't know if the tiger has an effective or good life because you don't know the meaning or purpose of its life.

To know what a good (or better) life is, you must know the meaning and purpose of life...and you know neither.

Let me break it down further to see if you can successfully wrap your brain around it.

A bottle might be effective in a fight (as a weapon) but that doesn't make it an effective or good bottle. To know if it's a good bottle we'd have to check how well it does what bottles are made to.

A doctor might also be an effective orator, yet be a poor doctor if he can't do what doctors are meant to do.

A human being might be effective in making money (wealthy), taking care of his body (healthy)...

But to know if he is a good human being, or living a good/effective life, we must know what human life is meant for.

JackBizzle:




Okay, so what purpose does Christ give your life?


Just so you know, there are many Nigerian christians living meaningless lives in poverty. Some wasting their lives as slaves to political godfathers. Some wasting their lives as ushers in church that wear the same clothes every sunday with body odour.

dat what u will see, Sometimes u can't no d beauty of somethings until u move closer and taste it.
@ dis "Those babies that die in the millions do not get to worship God in their brief life.So, I ask again; what is the purpose of life? What exactly is God's purpose for babies dying natural deaths in the womb?"
Babies dies does not change any fact dat we are born to praise God....
Many people went to school and @ d end they still live a miserable life, den what d purpose of school Shey? So we should cancel school ?

My question or assignment for u is " find who you are"

italo:


How can you judge the effectiveness of something without knowing the purpose of that thing?

You know a tiger is an effective hunter because you know the purpose of hunting (to catch prey, mainly for food).

But you don't know if the tiger has an effective or good life because you don't know the meaning or purpose of its life.

To know what a good (or better) life is, you must know the meaning and purpose of life...and you know neither.

@ bold.

You just nullified your own point-

The purpose of hunting and the purpose of the tiger's life are two different things.

You know why the tiger hunts and how good it is as an effectiver hunter but you dont know the tiger's purpose for being on earth.

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italo:


To know what a good (or better) life is, you must know the meaning and purpose of life...and you know neither.

A good life can be measured on many terms
-a long life of 100 years
-a rich life
-a healthy life
-an accomplished life (with many titles)

But all these things do not explain the meaning of life.


Italo, try and be realistic

Kay17:
The purpose of a Christian is either to sin or to go to heaven. Christians, very simpleminded set of people.

How convenient to argue against your own view of the Christian faith.

It makes you look intelligent and broad minded.

It guarantees that you win the argument.

Clap clap.

italo:


To know what a good (or better) life is, you must know the meaning and purpose of life...and you know neither.

Let me break it down further to see if you can successfully wrap your brain around it.

A bottle might be effective in a fight (as a weapon) but that doesn't make it an effective or good bottle. To know if it's a good bottle we'd have to check how well it does what bottles are made to.

A doctor might also be an effective orator, yet be a poor doctor if he can't do what doctors are meant to do.

A human being might be effective in making money (wealthy), taking care of his body (healthy)...

But to know if he is a good human being, or living a good/effective life, we must know what human life is meant for.

The difference of course is that doctors (the title) and bottles are human made constructs.

Life is not created by humans and we do not know the purpose. This is why I used a tiger to illustrate the point- it is a living thing

zyzxx:
dat what u will see, Sometimes u can't no d beauty of somethings until u move closer and taste it.
@ dis "Those babies that die in the millions do not get to worship God in their brief life.So, I ask again; what is the purpose of life? What exactly is God's purpose for babies dying natural deaths in the womb?"
Babies dies does not change any fact dat we are born to praise God....
Many people went to school and @ d end they still live a miserable life, den what d purpose of school Shey? So we should cancel school ?

My question or assignment for u is " find who you are"

Who am I?


I am someone who has put more into thought about life than you.

You are so myopic- seeing life only through the lenses of religion

JackBizzle:




@ bold.

You just nullified your own point-

The purpose of hunting and the purpose of the tiger's life are two different things.

You know why the tiger hunts and how good it is as an effectiver hunter but you dont know the tiger's purpose for being on earth.

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Now this is delusion. I did not nullify my point.

The tiger is an effective hunter, but that doesn't make him an effective tiger.

To know if it's an effective tiger, you'd have to know why tigers exist.

JackBizzle:


A good life can be measured on many terms
-a long life of 100 years
-a rich life
-a healthy life
-an accomplished life (with many titles)

But all these things do not explain the meaning of life.


Italo, try and be realistic

Whose definition is the above?

You are formulating a definition for "good life" and trying to shove it down everyone's throat?

A poor, short, unhealthy life without titles cannot be a good life?

A long, rich, healthy life with many titles cannot be a bad life?

See how much confusion Atheism brings?

JackBizzle:






Who am I?


I am someone who has put more into thought about life than you.

You are so myopic- seeing life only through the lenses of religion

upon all ur thought all u can come about is life is meaningless, nw can you see how limited u are or your limitation ?
Believe me u can't c beyond without christ. And d future is for those wu can c it b4 it apen.
#think about it.

JackBizzle:




The difference of course is that doctors (the title) and bottles are human made constructs.

Life is not created by humans and we do not know the purpose. This is why I used a tiger to illustrate the point- it is a living thing

Then you cannot know what a good or better life is...

Just like you cannot know who is a good doctor without knowing the purpose of doctors.

Whether it is a human construct or not is inconsequential. It is logic.

Logic that seems to be beyond your mental capacity.

zyzxx:
upon all ur thought all u can come about is life is meaningless, nw can you see how limited u are or your limitation ?
Believe me u can't c beyond without christ. And d future is for those wu can c it b4 it apen.
#think about it.

The very medium and technology you are using to tell me about christ were created by people who do not believe or care about Jesus Christ.


Most of the things you use in your everyday life are created by atheists. Think about that.

italo:


Then you cannot know what a good or better life is...

Just like you cannot know who is a good doctor without knowing the purpose of doctors.

Whether it is a human construct or not is inconsequential. It is logic.

Logic that seems to be beyond your mental capacity.

The problem you are having is that you can not see that "purpose/meaning" can not apply to life but only to man-made constructs.

JackBizzle:



The very medium and technology you are using to tell me about christ were created by people who do not believe or care about Jesus Christ.


Most of the things you use in your everyday life are created by atheists. Think about that.

you ignore the truth I made up there, but u diversify.
are u nw sayin christian as not invent anytin in our day life activities?
God gives man wisdom generally.

italo:

Now this is delusion. I did not nullify my point.

The tiger is an effective hunter, but that doesn't make him an effective tiger.

To know if it's an effective tiger, you'd have to know why tigers exist.

Now, you are starting to see my logic and what I have been trying to tell you.

Humans have defined hunting. We know what is and why we hunt. Knowing the meaning/purpose of hunting allows us to define an effective hunt or hunter.

If we define Tigers as "hunters", an effective tiger must be a good hunter. (for argument sake only)


The point here is that human constructs give rise to meaning and purpose.


Since we didnt create tigers or human life, the purpose/meaning of them is beyond us. We create human constructs and in turn, give purpose to things.


Remember, we didnt create life.

zyzxx:
you ignore the truth I made up there, but u diversify.
are u nw sayin christian as not invent anytin in our day life activities?
God gives man wisdom generally.

God gives wisdom to atheists to conquer christians. Ironic.


The point is that life goes beyond religion (Jesus christ and his cohorts)......and you are too myopic to see that.

JackBizzle:



The very medium and technology you are using to tell me about christ were created by people who do not believe or care about Jesus Christ.


Most of the things you use in your everyday life are created by atheists. Think about that.

Now it is obvious that you're a baby Atheist who has been poorly educated.

Science was invented by the Catholic Church.

But, all scientists were Atheists, what would that mean in the context of this thread?

Would that be your proof that life is meaningless?

italo:

Whose definition is the above?

You are formulating a definition for "good life" and trying to shove it down everyone's throat?

A poor, short, unhealthy life without titles cannot be a good life?

A long, rich, healthy life with many titles cannot be a bad life?

See how much confusion Atheism brings?

I didnt shove anything down anyones throat. I gave a lot of criteria for judging a good life and showed you how those things have nothing to do with the meaning of life.

Stop arguing for arguing sake. I gave different criteria without recommending anyone. People have the choice of choosing what works for them in life.




You keep confusing yourself. "Purpose" doesnt apply to life but to only human made constructs.

You didnt create it, so how can you know its purpose.

The reason we can apply a purpose to things like tables or cars is that we humans made those things. We know that cars are made for transportation because they were built with the need to move things from one place to the other. The purpose of a car is for transportation!!!!!!

JackBizzle:




The problem you are having is that you can not see that "purpose/meaning" can not apply to life but only to man-made constructs.

Where do you get that law from?

You are formulating again...and trying to force down everyone's throats.

You're bereft of ideas.

italo:


Now it is obvious that you're a baby Atheist who has been poorly educated.

Science was invented by the Catholic Church.

But, all scientists were Atheists, what would that mean in the context of this thread?

Would that be your proof that life is meaningless?

Science was invented by the catholic church? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING??!!!

I also never said that all scientists are atheists.


I was just telling that guy that the things he uses in life are made by people who dont care about his religionn- the point being that there is life outside religion!

italo:


Where do you get that law from?

You are formulating again...and trying to force down everyone's throats.

You're bereft of ideas.

Okay, what is the purpose of a rat or a rat's life?

What is the purpose of stars in our galaxy?



Is it the same as asking of the purpose of a table?

JackBizzle:



Now, you are starting to see my logic and what I have been trying to tell you.

Humans have defined hunting. We know what is and why we hunt. Knowing the meaning/purpose of hunting allows us to define an effective hunt or hunter.

If we define Tigers as "hunters", an effective tiger must be a good hunter. (for argument sake only)


The point here is that human constructs give rise to meaning and purpose.


Since we didnt create tigers or human life, the purpose/meaning of them is beyond us. We create human constructs and in turn, give purpose to things.


Remember, we didnt create life.

Then YOU cannot know what a good or better human life is.

italo:


Then YOU cannot know what a good or better human life is.

Is that all you have to say?

I understand that restating your claim and putting your hands in your ears is your last/desperate resort

JackBizzle:


God gives wisdom to atheists to conquer christians. Ironic.


The point is that life goes beyond religion (Jesus christ and his cohorts)......and you are too myopic to see that.

do u knw d wisest man dat ever live? Solomon in d bible.
So how do u mean?

JackBizzle:




I didnt shove anything down anyones throat. I gave a lot of criteria for judging a good life and showed you how those things have nothing to do with the meaning of life.

Stop arguing for arguing sake. I gave different criteria without recommending anyone. People have the choice of choosing what works for them in life.




You keep confusing yourself. "Purpose" doesnt apply to life but to only human made constructs.

You didnt create it, so how can you know its purpose.

The reason we can apply a purpose to things like tables or cars is that we humans made those things. We know that cars are made for transportation because they were built with the need to move things from one place to the other. The purpose of a car is for transportation!!!!!!

You didn't create life, so how can you be sure it has no purpose?

Who defines "good life?" You?

JackBizzle:



Okay, what is the purpose of a rat or a rat's life?

What is the purpose of stars in our galaxy?



Is it the same as asking of the purpose of a table?

Where do you get the law that only man made constructs have meaning?

You seem to think anything that flies off you confused mind is a universal law, dont you?

zyzxx:
do u knw d wisest man dat ever live? Solomon in d bible.
So how do u mean?

The wisest man that ended up being a fool with 700 wives and a foolish son (Rehoboam) who destroyed his kingdom?


And yes, I read the bible.