JackBizzle:



Seriously?

If we are here for no reason or purpose, why must everyone conform to idea of reasoning logically?

Is that their purpose in life?

italo:


My point?

Your point that life is meaningless...is meaningless.

If life were meaningless, reason, logic, would be meaningless.

You believe there is a purpose you are having this meaningful discussion in a purposeless and meaningless life?

You a joker.

"life is meaningless"

^^^
"Life" in the above sentence means "living", "consciousness", "being alive".


If I asked you to describe consciousness and why we are conscious, you wont be able to answer.

But if I asked you what a table is and why tables are made, it is answerable.



The difference here is that man made constructs have meaning because we humans give it meaning. We can put a purpose to many things because we made them- we did them for a reason.


You did not create yourself and no one knows how life came about. If we did, we wouldnt be here debating the meaning of life or the purpose of life.



Logic on the other hand is a tool only humans can use. Many aspects (but not all) of logic are human constructs. In that sense we can apply purpose to some logic.


See the difference?

italo:


And it is logical to believe that logic and reasoning just emerged from nowhere...from a chemical reaction?

Who said that?

You love strawmen, dont you?

herald9:
I like this.

I can feel it reverberating in my soul


@honourhim I sight you...what have you got to say?

His views and definition of life is limited within our existence in this world and that's why life is meaningless to him and his co-travellers.

For us christians we know that life transcends this earth. Eternity awaits every human after we are done here on earth. For most of us christians, our confidence in the life after here is not only that it is in the bible but on very strong personal convictions. I don't beg people to believe. Its a matter of time for each of us to leave this world then the doubters will know whether we are right or wrong.

Nobody can confuse me on something I have strong convictions about. We all came into this world differently and will go differently so I cant sacrifice my convictions on the altar of someone else's.

italo:


If we are here for no reason or purpose, why must everyone conform to idea of reasoning logically?

Is that their purpose in life?

You are free to be illogical.


The point here is that a well reasoned life is a better life.

We can all see how delusional people end up.

The choice is yours to be sensible

davien:
There is a difference between "life" and "living"...

And one is meaningless while the other has meaning?

Atheistic gymnastics!

honourhim:


His views and definition of life is limited within our existence in this world and that's why life is meaningless to him and his co-travellers.

[size=18pt]For us christians we know that life transcends this earth[/size]. Eternity awaits every human after we are done here on earth. For most of us christians, our confidence in the life after here is not only that it is in the bible but on very strong personal convictions. I don't beg people to believe. Its a matter of time for each of us to leave this world then the doubters will know whether we are right or wrong.

Nobody can confuse me on something I have strong convictions about. We all came into this world differently and will go differently so I cant sacrifice my convictions on the altar of someone else's.

How do you know that life transcends earth?


Have you been beyond earth?

You ascribe meaning to things which are not there.

italo:


And one is meaningless while the other has meaning?

Atheistic gymnastics!

lol.....


A man in a coma is alive but is he really "living"?


Learn to appreciate the difference

JackBizzle:



You are free to be illogical.


The point here is that a well reasoned life is a better life.

We can all see how delusional people end up.

The choice is yours to be sensible

How can you be the one to define what a "better life" is when you think life has no meaning?

How do delusional people end up and what could be wrong with their ending, in a meaningless life?

"Meaningless" and "purposeless" are not attributes of life, but of your attitude towards life.

It depends on the individual.

JackBizzle:



"life is meaningless"

^^^
"Life" in the above sentence means "living", "consciousness", "being alive".


If I asked you to describe consciousness and why we are conscious, you wont be able to answer.

But if I asked you what a table is and why tables are made, it is answerable.



The difference here is that man made constructs have meaning because we humans give it meaning. We can put a purpose to many things because we made them- we did them for a reason.


You did not create yourself and no one knows how life came about. If we did, we wouldnt be here debating the meaning of life or the purpose of life.



Logic on the other hand is a tool only humans can use. Many aspects (but not all) of logic are human constructs. In that sense we can apply purpose to some logic.


See the difference?

1. You falsely assume I don't know why we are conscious. I do.

2. You falsely assume you can be sure of why a table was made. You cannot know, except you made it. Even if you made it, you still might not know. Almost all of us have said at some point, "I dunno why I did it."

3. You falsely assume that no one knows how life came about. I do.

4. You assume that only humans can use logic. No scientific proof.

5. Logic itself was not invented by man. Where did it come from? Chemical reaction?

JackBizzle:



lol.....


A man in a coma is alive but is he really "living"?


Learn to appreciate the difference

No. A man in a coma is really dead, #ConfusedAtheist.

So define "really living" and show us where you got the definition from.

JackBizzle:





Who said that?

You love strawmen, dont you?

I guess logic and reasoning came from you then.

Or could they be from God?

JackBizzle:

How do you know that life transcends earth?
Have you been beyond earth?
You ascribe meaning to things which are not there.

Yet you know life doesn't transcend earth...because you have been beyond earth?

JackBizzle:


A meaningless purpose.


Survival is not a purpose. Just like pooing/defecating is not a purpose. They are biological functions

By survival I mean the desire to keep on life living. Like other words it has multiple connotations.

UyiIredia:


By survival I mean the desire to keep on life living. Like other words it has multiple connotations.

how does this relate to mythological beings?

JackBizzle:




How do you know that life transcends earth?


Have you been beyond earth?

You ascribe meaning to things which are not there.

Same question goes to you. How do you know that life does not transcend the earth? Have you exhausted the limit of life to be sure it ends here on earth? You can't draw conclusions on your limited knowledge.

JackBizzle:



Vanity upon vanity.

Even king Solomon knew that life is nothing but a meaningless material existence

That was because he was using the wisdom of man. But in Christ you find life true purpose, you will get to be a part of God's divine plan. A plan that he had right from the foundation of the world, a plan bigger than you and I, a plan hidden in a mystery that even wise king Solomon couldn't see nor the greatest genius figure out. It was hidden in a mystery but now it reveal to us through the Spirit of God (1Cor 2:6-15).

italo:


How can you be the one to define what a "better life" is when you think life has no meaning?

How do delusional people end up and what could be wrong with their ending, in a meaningless life?

effectiveness and purpose are two different things.


We do not know the purpose of a tiger but we do know that it is effective at hunting smaller prey. One of the best hunters in the jungle.


A man with a purposeless or meaningless life might be a very wealthy and healthy man. Yet, he still feels empty on the inside.

italo:


1. You falsely assume I don't know why we are conscious. I do.

2. You falsely assume you can be sure of why a table was made. You cannot know, except you made it. Even if you made it, you still might not know. Almost all of us have said at some point, "I dunno why I did it."

3. You falsely assume that no one knows how life came about. I do.

4. You assume that only humans can use logic. No scientific proof.

5. Logic itself was not invented by man. Where did it come from? Chemical reaction?

1) No one knows what exactly and for what purpose we are conscious. Well, unless you are an expert liar. Even scientists accept that they do not fully understand consciousness

2) So we dont know why people make tables??!!! Why are you such a liar?

3) Stop the lies. No one knows how life came about.

4) Animals cant reason the way we do. Stop stretching nonsense arguments. Why should we be debating this?

5) Some forms of logic are actually human constructs. Ask about what I mean instead of just disagreeing out of malice

JackBizzle:



Vanity upon vanity.

Even king Solomon knew that life is nothing but a meaningless material existence

Yet solomon had this to say-
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter, fear God and keep his commandment, for this is the whole duty of man"
Ecclesisates 12:13.

honourhim:


Yet solomon had this to say-
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter, fear God and keep his commandment, for this is the whole duty of man"
Ecclesisates 12:13.

Solomon was a confused man....too many wives

JackBizzle:



Solomon was a confused man....too many wives

Yea and the confusion made him declare life vanity. Could this be your state now that made you declare life meaningless and purposeless?

Solomon later discovered that living for God makes life meaningful and purposeful. You too can do same. God help you. Amen.

honourhim:


Yea and the confusion made him declare life vanity. Could this be your state now that made you declare life meaningless and purposeless?

Solomon later discovered that living for God makes life meaningful and purposeful. You too can do same. God help you. Amen.

JackBizzle:




effectiveness and purpose are two different things.


We do not know the purpose of a tiger but we do know that it is effective at hunting smaller prey. One of the best hunters in the jungle.


A man with a purposeless or meaningless life might be a very wealthy and healthy man. Yet, he still feels empty on the inside.

Stop putting up stupid argument and listen to your heart. Inside of you, you feel empty and you are desperately crying for help, you need answer. Here am I offering you a solution, for Jesus is the answer. He cares about you and it breaks his heart that you feel empty instead of enjoying the fullness of life he died to give you. Come to him now, experience the love of God and that emptiness will disappear. Stop reasoning with your head, all does knowledge you have gathered are making you confuse. Reason with your heart and give it the satisfaction it cries out for. It is God your heart is crying out for. God is love and he would flood your heart with his love.

Hiswordxray:


Stop putting up stupid argument and listen to your heart. Inside of you, you feel empty and you are desperately crying for help, you need answer. Here am I offering you a solution, for Jesus is the answer. He cares about you and it breaks his heart that you feel empty instead of enjoying the fullness of life he died to give you. Come to him now, experience the love of God and that emptiness will disappear. Stop reasoning with your head, all does knowledge you have gathered are making you confuse. Reason with your heart and give it the satisfaction it cries out for. It is God
your heart is crying out for. God is love and he would flood your heart with his love.

Keep preaching and just maybe, Jesus will come back from the dead

JackBizzle:
Death and Meaning

In the next 100 years, none [size=64pt]some[/size] of you reading this post will not be alive.

Life is so fleeting when one considers how short it can be.

Also consider that our galaxy is over 10 billion years old. We never get to even live a quarter of that time frame.


What really is the point of life if it ends all in death?


One lives all his or her life struggling to survive ie struggling to avoid death which will inevitably occur.


A medical student who was the best in his class throughout university died on his first day as a doctor.


You can work hard all your life and die the moment you want to reap what you have sowed.

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An animal life

What is the purpose of a fish? To be eaten by sharks and human beings? Just to live and die as food for other animals?
What is the purpose of a cat? To beg for milk and fish from humans?

We can all agree that assigning a purpose to an animals life is ridiculous. Why then are humans exempt?

We think we are special because we can reason. A dog looking at the moon can not understand the significance of the lunar cycle. The same way we can never understand the universe in its entirety. So how are we really different?

Our reasoning has limits. What if the purpose of life is truly beyond our reasoning abilities? What if the minds of the gods were meant for more evolved beings?


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Purpose and Religion

To the religious people claiming that our purpose as humans to serve and worship God, they should understand that it is not just true logically if you consider the death of babies.

Babies who die in the womb due to natural/spontaneous abortions never get to worship God or even develop the reasoning ability to understand any concept of God. Natural abortions are the most common abortions that occur in millions every year.

Those babies that die in the millions do not get to worship God in their brief life. So, I ask again; what is the purpose of life? What exactly is God's purpose for babies dying natural deaths in the womb?


What is even the essence of religion? The way religion was practised in the 7th century is different from the one practised today. It all seems arbitrary- religious doctrines sway to the interpretations of whichever religious leaders are in power or the most vocal.

Buddhism promises some inner peace, Islam promises a total way of life for peace, Christianity promises salvation, Paganism promises oneness with the earth. But all these do not guarantee a better life on earth. You could die the same day you convert to any of these religions. One can live a fulfilled life without any of these religions.


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So what is your purpose in this life?


What exactly is your purpose?
1) To leave a legacy?
All legacies get bastardized after a while. Jesus Christ is now popularly known as a white Italian hippie. Whereas, in reality Jesus would have been a dark skinned radical Jew.

Worse, only few people get to leave legacies. If you dont have money or power, you will die a nobody. Afterall, even the few people that will remember you will die eventually.

2) To enjoy life to the fullest?
Hedonists usually die quicker. What if you were born without legs or as a Siamese twin? What then? You wouldnt be able to enjoy most sports. Most people will treat you as a freak. Se.x or marriage partners would be harder to come by. And so on.


3) Religious devotion (to the afterlife)
Yes, the afterlife. A life after death that you have never seen and cannot prove. A haven that you have been promised by religion but with crazy standards to fulfil.
If preparing for heaven is the purpose of life then, life is truly pointless. Why not just send us to heaven directly? Why would we need to be tried and tested if God knows our inclinations? What is the point in putting us in such a world where the only the fittest survive? This life is such an unnecessary test if one adheres to an all-knowing God. We are nothing but pawns in an eternal chess game.


4) I was born to be a leader/accountant/doctor
Hitler could also claim that he was born to lead the Aryan race and exterminate "rats" like the Jews. No one is born to be anything. We can only prepare ourselves and our talents for a brighter future.
Wayne Rooney was also a talented boxer. Man chooses his destiny (at the discretion of fate).

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What do I believe as the purpose of meaning of life?

Life has no meaning. We only ascribe meaning to it because it is our human nature to see patterns even where there are no patterns.

The best we can do is give our lives meanings ourselves through the one factor that distinguishes us from animals- reasoning.

As arbitrary as that sounds, reason and logic are the only effective tools for understanding our universe and navigating it. A well reasoned life is a better life.

luvlyoracle:

Seeing as you are angry.....people with hypertension do not live for 100 years

JackBizzle:



Keep preaching and just maybe, Jesus will come back from the dead

I know many Christians had done it wrong but I could help. I could introduce you to God and he would transform your life. You would find out he is everything you are looking for.

JackBizzle:



Seeing as you are angry.....people with hypertension do not live for 100 years

That ain't the reason u should generalize naa

Hiswordxray:


I know many Christians had done it wrong but I could help. I could introduce you to God and he would transform your life. You would find out he is everything you are looking for.

What really irritates me and many atheists is the way these evangelical christians talk to you about introducing you to Christ/God as if they are giving you one million dollars.

luvlyoracle:
That ain't the reason u should generalize naa

Sorry

JackBizzle:

What really irritates me and many atheists is the way these evangelical christians talk to you about introducing you to Christ/God as if they are giving you one million dollars.

I am giving you the answer you have been searching for, I am offering you rest. Eph 4:3,10 "For we who have believed do enter that rest,... For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His."
You will find rest in Christ for he promised "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." (John 14:27).
This offer is better than a million dollar, even those swimming in gold still suffer from lack of Christ. But Christ loves you and it breaks his heart to see you suffer from emptiness, feeling like life is purposeless when he died to give you a divine purpose. He what you to be a part of his glorious plan which he had from the foundation of the world.
Don't be afraid just listen to your heart.