I was brought up a jw, I've always been the curious type. I am not the type that just takes things without researching deeply into it.

I started noticing a lot of thing so wrong when I was a teenager.

1- when you don't go out to preach you are viewed as not spiritually strong.

what is the purpose of Jesus death? Did he die on the cross so we preach about the gospel or so we can have everlasting life? cos the way JW place so much importance in house to house felt like it was all Jesus died for. So we go out and make disciples of people of all the nations. Oh, Jesus would be proud then. "I died so you move house to house to spread the gospel" wow, great.

2) no matter what they say to cover up, it is strictly forbidden to have any other religion materials apart from JW. You are not even to have it. I took a friend's church brochure, the topics sounded interesting, so I took it home to learn more. All hell broke loose. It resulted in me returning the book the next day.

what is wrong if I accept someone's material to possibly learn more about God? What is the Jw afraid for? that its member would go astray? But they say they teach the truth but why are they scared to let it's members broaden their knowledge, contrasts informations and know the truth ?

3) When I started asking questions, telling them my findings, digging deeper they started calling me apostate.

Jesus never called anybody apostate. When the pharisees questioned his source of power to perform miracles, he didn't called them apostate, none did he shunned anybody. And is it biblical? Where was it stated in the Bible to shun people who question you? If they teach the truth why are they afraid of giving answers?

4) Jesus said you should baptized in the name of the Father, son and holy Spirit. When you are being baptized as a Jw, you are asked if you know that your baptism signifies you as a member of Jehovah witness

where did the Bible make mentioned that baptism signifies one as a member of a religion? Is it scriptural? Doesn't it sounds like you are getting baptized into a religion not to God? Why should my baptism identify me as being a member to Jw? Is it the religion I am getting baptized to or to God? I find that part offensive hence my reason of not getting baptized as a JW

These and so many questions I have but they won't answer. Since I can not leave well I'm stuck. In fact I wrote all my questions down, when they saw I wasn't giving up they stopped answering me.

I stopped believing in religion a long time ago. I think God would not choose one religion from the other cos no religion is right in the eyes of God.

We should do Good for the motherless and fatherless, give to the needy and obey his commandments. That's the only true religion.

the rests are doctrines of men, twisted to make it look like it's the truth

You Are Right Sir As I Am A Testament To That, My Dad, Mum And Sibblings Are All Witness.

atoleybaba:
stop saying shit. D card is given so that it can rep what u say during that time of crisis as it won't be easy to start arguing with d doc or d person might be in a state of coma DT card would speak for d person. Besides u are not forced to own d card but it is mandatory to own it. Jw views blood transfusion as wrong and if u are a jw u def goia own DT card cos u are convince that blood transfusion is wrong

I'm saying shit, but you're the person who's saying to own the card is mandatory? Do you even understand English at all?

softG:

Please Note
In the late 19th century, scholars B. F. Westcott and F.J.A. Hort compared existing Bible manuscripts and fragments as they prepared the Greek master text that they felt most closely reflected the original writings. In the mid-20th century, the New World Bible Translation Committee used that master text as the basis for its translation. Other early papyri, thought to date back to the second and third centuries C.E., were also used. Since then, more papyri have become available. In addition, master texts such as those by Nestle and Aland and by the United Bible Societies reflect recent scholarly studies. Some of the findings of this research were incorporated into this present revision.

Based on those master texts, it is evident that some verses of the Christian Greek Scriptures found in older translations, such as the King James Version, were actually additions made by later copyists and were never part of the inspired Scriptures. However, because the verse division generally accepted in Bible translations was already established in the 16th century, the omission of these verses now creates gaps in the verse numbering in most Bibles. The verses are Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29; and Romans 16:24. In this revised edition, those omitted verses are indicated by a footnote at the location of the omission.

Regarding the long conclusion for Mark 16 (verses 9-20), the short conclusion for Mark 16, and the wording found at John 7:53–8:11, it is evident that none of these verses were included in the original manuscripts. Therefore, those spurious texts have not been included in this revision.

It is evident? where is the evidence? All your previous bibles before 2013 had the scriptures and all of a sudden, you take out more than 20 verses and spew all this cut and join explanation? So it makes sense that you open to a bible scripture and start from verse 11 incase of John 8? You transcribed based on other bible versions but suddenly you're the one who's the authority on what to omit? Forgetting that in Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelation 22:19, it said not to remove anything from God's word.

You also look down on other bible versions that don't have the name Jehovah, forgetting that God's name is YHWH but here you are picking and mixing what goes in a bible. You know "spurious" means fake? So you're saying parts of the bible you've previously used are fake?
I know you want to defend your religion, but don't you see how ridiculous you sound?

softG:
This is a religious issue rather than a medical one. Both the Old and New Testaments clearly command us to abstain from blood. (Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:10; Deuteronomy 12:23; Acts 15:28, 29 ) Also, God views blood as representing life. (Leviticus 17:14 ) So we avoid taking blood not only in obedience to God but also out of respect for him as the Giver of life.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jehovahs-witnesses-why-no-blood-transfusions/

I had asked before and got no reply, can you answer this please? So how would you interpret Matthew 15:11? And why is the representation/symbol of life more important than the life itself?

[quote author=haywizzy007 post=61882222][/quote]thank a lot bro.

Ginaz:
I was brought up a jw, I've always been the curious type. I am not the type that just takes things without researching deeply into it.

I started noticing a lot of thing so wrong when I was a teenager.

1- when you don't go out to preach you are viewed as not spiritually strong.

what is the purpose of Jesus death? Did he die on the cross so we preach about the gospel or so we can have everlasting life? cos the way JW place so much importance in house to house felt like it was all Jesus died for. So we go out and make disciples of people of all the nations. Oh, Jesus would be proud then. "I died so you move house to house to spread the gospel" wow, great.

2) no matter what they say to cover up, it is strictly forbidden to have any other religion materials apart from JW. You are not even to have it. I took a friend's church brochure, the topics sounded interesting, so I took it home to learn more. All hell broke loose. It resulted in me returning the book the next day.

what is wrong if I accept someone's material to possibly learn more about God? What is the Jw afraid for? that its member would go astray? But they say they teach the truth but why are they scared to let it's members broaden their knowledge, contrasts informations and know the truth ?

3) When I started asking questions, telling them my findings, digging deeper they started calling me apostate.

Jesus never called anybody apostate. When the pharisees questioned his source of power to perform miracles, he didn't called them apostate, none did he shunned anybody. And is it biblical? Where was it stated in the Bible to shun people who question you? If they teach the truth why are they afraid of giving answers?

4) Jesus said you should baptized in the name of the Father, son and holy Spirit. When you are being baptized as a Jw, you are asked if you know that your baptism signifies you as a member of Jehovah witness

where did the Bible make mentioned that baptism signifies one as a member of a religion? Is it scriptural? Doesn't it sounds like you are getting baptized into a religion not to God? Why should my baptism identify me as being a member to Jw? Is it the religion I am getting baptized to or to God? I find that part offensive hence my reason of not getting baptized as a JW

These and so many questions I have but they won't answer. Since I can not leave well I'm stuck. In fact I wrote all my questions down, when they saw I wasn't giving up they stopped answering me.

I stopped believing in religion a long time ago. I think God would not choose one religion from the other cos no religion is right in the eyes of God.

We should do Good for the motherless and fatherless, give to the needy and obey his commandments. That's the only true religion.

the rests are doctrines of men, twisted to make it look like it's the truth

everyone will come to that point in their lives where they have to make a decision. we just have to make the right decision, else we would regret. everyone has to carry his/her own load.

there's one thing that is certain. this world and all it represents will pass away. the world and its thinking, its belief systems, its knowledge, its ideas, its institutions...they will not survive the great day of Jehovah. - 1 John 2:15-17.

the reason is that they do not originate with God. we have to make sure that the worlds thinking and ideas do not influence our decisions. our decisions should be influenced by the bible if we are to survive this wicked world.

Nicejay30:

what scripture pls...
Did he also talk about the prostitute if so pls show me...

1 Corinthians. 5:11

Malolu:


I am sorry to say. Comma doesn't speak anything from God, HIS word does!!!! Comma was created by man. God didn't use comma when he spoke to Moses! He spoke what needed to be done and not done as children of God. I don't really get involve in such arguments tho but it's better to share your thoughts as laid down by the help of His Spirit just as the Eunuch was helped.

I rest my case.

So wats ur point as relates to the order to abstain from blood, which u tactfully avoided?

nkembaby008:


I knew that was the scripture you would quote because that somehow, absolves them of the guilt, of pretty much murdering people. "Oh well, the light got brighter". Since the light can still get brighter at any time they deem fit, don't you think it's logical to let certain things that are not written in black and white to be left to people's consciences?

In Leviticus 17:15, if you ate a dead animal that had not been bled, you only had to bathe till evening and be clean. Also in Matthew 12:3-7 and Matthew 12:11, preserving life took precedence over strict law keeping. Blood is a symbol of life, why should the symbol be more important than the life itself?

In Acts 15:20, was sexual immorality not equated wit use of blood?

ifko:
Yes when I said God I mean Holy Spirit, He speaks and u can hear him clearly depending on ur relationship with God. who scam u, pray very well and God will direct ur path to know the right way to toe in life and eventually make it to ur creator.

u try. At least u show some good manner that depicts christlikeness. Thank u. Keep it up. With ur attitude many will be converted.

atoleybaba:
what is brainwashing? What do u even understand by d word brainwashing? U better sit down let jw explain d Bible for u so u can be safe. Werrin I go tell u no go pass this one.

Explain ur adulterated bible......d one u pple have tampered with to suit ur false teaching and heresy.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. This people had the effrontery to change it to the Word was "a god"........no wonder Russia is dealing with them........heretics, false teachers......anti Christ. In Russia they have been tagged a terrorist sect. I will rather listen to a Muslim than a JW

@All: on the issue of blood, I have 2 points to make.

1. To understand Acts 15: 20,28&29 we need to ask some questions. Let me quote verse 29: "that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality........ ".(NKJV). The first question is why was this instruction given?
Genesis 9:3,4sheds some light. Verse 4:"but you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, it's blood "(NKJV). This was after God said every animals should be food for Adam.
It was clearly stated, don't eat the animals(flesh) with their blood(original instruction).

Now fast forward to Acts 15, reading the whole chapter it was written about circumcision. Lots of pagan practices have crept into the congregation which includes eating or direct consumption of blood hence the need for that instructions.

My second question: "Can the start of medical transfusion be dated as early as that time?"
If not, if not I don't under the interpretation of JW that "abstain" involves blood transfusion.

2. You won't accept blood transfusion but you can accept blood fractions. Is that not double standard??

Olifiz:


Jesus can never in anyway be equal to God whether in nature or physically or in authority. They are two different entity. The Bible represent Jesus as mighty and God as Almiggty also see Philippians 2:5-8. Jesus is not God n can never be equal to God. Even God have to exault him. U can only tell me they have a common goal n that’s to the sanctification and glorification of he’s fathers name God. The word trinity in itself can’t be found in the Bible which means the triad God, it’s a doctrines that originates with pagan as far back as wen King Namaan..... Even Jesus and the apostles didn’t preach trinity. Christians are to follow Jesus steps closely.

The word doesn't have to be on the bible......in baptism the name of the Father, Son and Spirit is used....that signifies the trinity.

"Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to"..........existing in the form of God.....what does that mean

DavidEsq:

So wats ur point as relates to the order to abstain from blood, which u tactfully avoided?

both nkembaby and malolu that you quoted above have made valid points in earlier posts.

nkembaby008:


I had asked before and got no reply, can you answer this please? So how would you interpret Matthew 15:11? And why is the representation/symbol of life more important than the life itself?

wow. Thanks for that verse as stated by our Lord Jesus. The same in Mark 7:15-16..then he went on till 23 to describe examples in the intent or heart of man which really leads to defilement. I actually loved the wisdom of Jesus proved here when he went against the doctrines of elders and of men. We have been saying the samethings over and over again, people tend to misinterpret God's word leading to entirely another form of doctrine. We have it all across Christianity.

1stflight:


both nkembaby and malolu that you quoted above have made valid points in earlier posts.

So dats ur point?

DavidEsq:

So wats ur point as relates to the order to abstain from blood, which u tactfully avoided?

I m actually getting to understand your belief systems on blood. You feel touching blood is an abomination? If it was, what role did it play in the sacrificial system in the old testament i.e. the blood of bull, Rams and the likes that were spilled for the atonement of sin? I am not Jesus, neither am I God, but I have previously stated God's mind as required with the misuse of blood in relation with idolatry, immorality and even witchcraft. I do not wanna repeat myself. Any other questions asides blood?
Do have a splendid day my friend.

Malolu:


I m actually getting to understand your belief systems on blood. You feel touching blood is an abomination? If it was, what role did it play in the sacrificial system in the old testament i.e. the blood of bull, Rams and the likes that were spilled for the atonement of sin? I am not Jesus, neither am I God, but I have previously stated God's mind as required with the misuse of blood in relation with idolatry, immorality and even witchcraft. I do not wanna repeat myself. Any other questions asides blood?
Do have a splendid day my friend.

Dat was the only purpose of blood: Hebrews 9:12-14. For the cleansing of sin and in the old testament, it was done by the appointed priests. Saying God does not use comma is like asking why u use the capital letter for "God". None of us ever said "touching" of blood was an abomination. If u kee fowl, u no go wash the blood comot ur tray or knife? An does that not involve touching the blood?

lovingJehovah:
Well, if I were you I would spend more time on those rhapsody/adventist magazines given to you than trolling Jehovah's witnesses. It is not by force to take our magazines or to like us. I do not know how much you have to talk about buying our magazines as if you have made a life for yourself already. You have a good job and I hope you keep it up.

If u want me to stop exposing the satanic American racist cult, then tell ur jobless watchtower stooges who are seeking for gullible and lonely people to recruit into the phedophile infested and mind controlling American cult to stop knocking on my door. They should stop calling other Christians Babylon the great because other Christians believe in Jesus and God Almighty but the watchtower believes in a dead, powerless man made god called Jehovah

Emmahunk:
My dear, I read your futile attempt to justify the Jehovah's witnesses.
First, the JW have their own Bible. With my own eyes, I have read in your Bible, Jn 1:1 " In the beginning was the................ and the Word was god " instead of "and the Word was God". Obviously, your choice of small letter in the word God is to buttress your belief that Jesus is NOT GOD BUT SON OF GOD.
Now, is that the same as in other conventional Bibles?

Secondly, you believe that only 133,000 of your elders will be going to Heaven. Please enlighten us why Christ said that he has gone to prepare us a place for in his father's house there are many mansions.

I am a JW, will always be, come to my crib and beat me..lol. But here is d point my very good friend. We believe in Jesus Christ, what we don't believe however is that he is equal to God. Don't fail to read these portions , john 14:28...Jesus said his Father is greater than he. Again if they were equal , why did Jesus have to say "father it is possible let this cup pass away, not as u I will..."...again, why was Jesus always quick to say that he does the will of HE who sent him. Jesus is a creation...Colossians 1:15...u may have to read preceding verses to get d point clearer. God, the almighty has no beginning, even in john 1:1, the "word" which refers to Jesus was said to have a beginning. Granted, the verse says, the "word" was "God"(NIV), it clearly stated that d "word" was "with" God. Evidently, we are talking about two personalities. You probably know by heart the words of John 3:16, that Gods love made him send his son,,,. The emphasis is on the "sender" and the "sent"...Jesus on earth did not hesitate to make reference to dis. We believe in Jesus, but we do not agree that he is d almighty. Even wen he said "no one comes to the father except through him" , recognises that he is a means not an end, so we uphold these. As JW's, what we suffer is a case of give a dog a bad name and hang it. Be sure to read d verses in ur translation, add me on watsap so we can chat...Again, I am a JW...08038999587

DavidEsq:
So dats ur point?

No sir, I made my points in my first post above.

1stflight:
@All: on the issue of blood, I have 2 points to make.

1. To understand Acts 15: 20,28&29 we need to ask some questions. Let me quote verse 29: "that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality........ ".(NKJV). The first question is why was this instruction given?
Genesis 9:3,4sheds some light. Verse 4:"but you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, it's blood "(NKJV). This was after God said every animals should be food for Adam.
It was clearly stated, don't eat the animals(flesh) with their blood(original instruction).

Now fast forward to Acts 15, reading the whole chapter it was written about circumcision. Lots of pagan practices have crept into the congregation which includes eating or direct consumption of blood hence the need for that instructions.

My second question: "Can the start of medical transfusion be dated as early as that time?"
If not, if not I don't under the interpretation of JW that "abstain" involves blood transfusion.

2. You won't accept blood transfusion but you can accept blood fractions. Is that not double standard??

My points here.
CC. DavidEsq

DavidEsq:

1 Corinthians. 5:11

Dats wat u are still dwelling on?...

Dat was exactly what brought about me saying dat Jesus dined with zacheaus na....
And u are yet to give any illustration as to d prostitute... Did d disciples not complain to Jesus when she approached him? Did he turn away from her?
And moreover did d bible say disfellowship a brethren dat does not go 4 preaching

saintmark88:


Explain ur adulterated bible......d one u pple have tampered with to suit ur false teaching and heresy.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. This people had the effrontery to change it to the Word was "a god"........no wonder Russia is dealing with them........heretics, false teachers......anti Christ. In Russia they have been tagged a terrorist sect. I will rather listen to a Muslim than a JW

what version did u read? Why don't u take d real script DT was written in Hebrew so u can really know what john 1: 1 is...... And stop arguing what u don't know

nkembaby008:


I'm saying shit, but you're the person who's saying to own the card is mandatory? Do you even understand English at all?

since u want to reason like a baby lemme break it down for u. It is mandatory cos when u are in such state of needing blood u might not av strength to tell d doc ur biblical believe and they might want to do blood transfusion for u out of discretion and might not listen to ur family member that u don't want blood. That card will stand as ur rep with ur signature. More like a will on how ur property should be shared. Do u now understand y it is mandatory now? U are not forced cos for u to say u are a witness it means u agree with all their teaching including d topic bawt blood. And dy don't force anyone to be a witness or av u heard of such? My cousin isn't a witness yet despite growing up in a witness family yet no1 forces him.. Now do u understand Mandatory to own a card in case of incasity buh u are not forced to get d card or not talk blood or be a witness

softG:

Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Feel That They Are the Only People Who Will Be Saved?

No. Many millions who lived in centuries past and who weren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation. The Bible explains that in God’s promised new world, “there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” (Acts 24:15 ) Additionally, many now living may yet begin to serve God, and they too will gain salvation. In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.— John 5:22, 27
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/who-saved/

Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe in Jesus?

Yes. We believe in Jesus, who said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6 ) We have faith that Jesus came to earth from heaven and gave his perfect human life as a ransom sacrifice. (Matthew 20:28 ) His death and resurrection make it possible for those exercising faith in him to gain everlasting life. (John 3:16 ) We also believe that Jesus is now ruling as King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, which will soon bring peace to the entire earth. (Revelation 11:15 ) However, we take Jesus at his word when he said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28 ) So we do not worship Jesus, as we do not believe that he is Almighty God.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/believe-in-jesus/

What about the people who knew about them ( after 1879 till date ie including the dead and living) and refused to join?

Since you know about the dead one in times past and jws, then you should know about them because you claim to know and have the truth

At the end of the day the resurrected ones have to obey watchtower rules if not they will still die.

Your leaders think their smart. They avoid giving answers for people who are aware of jws and their doctrines but never join the organization in their website yet write in their magazines saying all non jws will be slaughtered in Armageddon because they refused to join their organization

[quote author=haywizzy007 post=61882222][/quote]thanks bro

adajoe555:




Welcome back brother I am happy for you,

thanks once again.+233242746217 WhatsApp. Please let's chat OK?

By the way, I did a deep reasoning yesterday after this thread on the issue of blood.



I find it hard that God would shed the blood of his only begotten son for us to get everlasting life but punish one that takes blood to save his life. I find it very hard.

God made a law about blood but it's the same God out of compassion that shed his son's blood so we can have life. So would God hardened his heart when it is a matter of life and death?

God has shown time and time over that he is a compassionate God. It is wrong to let someone die because God values life.

Jesus healed a man on a sabbath day. Note, to not obey the regulations of the sabbath is a very serious sin at that time, the result is death. But Jesus shown that life was more important by healing the sick man. Mark 3:1-6.

If Jw say God is not wicked to punish one in Hell, then should God be wicked so much to punish one that takes blood to save a life?

please let's all reason, let's do deep thinking

Jw are like the Pharisees of Jesus time. They value commandments more than life. They would hardened their hearts in the face of life and death.

think people, think.

BIBLESPEAKS:


everyone will come to that point in their lives where they have to make a decision. we just have to make the right decision, else we would regret. everyone has to carry his/her own load.

there's one thing that is certain. this world and all it represents will pass away. the world and its thinking, its belief systems, its knowledge, its ideas, its institutions...they will not survive the great day of Jehovah. - 1 John 2:15-17.

the reason is that they do not originate with God. we have to make sure that the worlds thinking and ideas do not influence our decisions. our decisions should be influenced by the bible if we are to survive this wicked world.

Just because everything would pass away doesn't mean I don't deserve to know the truth. The Bible clearly stated that the "truth" would set you free. I want to be set free.

atoleybaba:
since u want to reason like a baby lemme break it down for u. It is mandatory cos when u are in such state of needing blood u might not av strength to tell d doc ur biblical believe and they might want to do blood transfusion for u out of discretion and might not listen to ur family member that u don't want blood. That card will stand as ur rep with ur signature. More like a will on how ur property should be shared. Do u now understand y it is mandatory now? U are not forced cos for u to say u are a witness it means u agree with all their teaching including d topic bawt blood. And dy don't force anyone to be a witness or av u heard of such? My cousin isn't a witness yet despite growing up in a witness family yet no1 forces him.. Now do u understand Mandatory to own a card in case of incasity buh u are not forced to get d card or not talk blood or be a witness

I never said anyone was forced to be a witness, you keep beating about the bush. I said it was compulsory for a JW to not take blood and the only way they can enforce it is to make sure every JW has a no-blood card. Do you know mandatory and compulsory mean the same thing? How can you say its not by force but in the same breath say it's mandatory? They really need to encourage the youths to pursue higher education so simple comprehension skills like this, do not elude you.