RealMrNigerD:

deja vu. Common experience but I'm sure Finstar would deny it even if he had one, lol.

A simple Google search would educate you about deja vu. Don't stress me please.

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RealMrNigerD:

How funny. Like you wouldn't doubt if I told you. Yet this is a very common experience with so many. Not only never thought of but also eventually happening exactly as dreamt. You should meet some psychics, lol. And as long as this is true, though you may wish to doubt, the owners of the dreams will know better, lol, that there's obviously some other intelligence beyond our consciousness.

LMAO. This is hilarious. Put this in the context of matter and energy. You say a movie isn't real. Yet you saw it. You looked at the images. Matter was in motion. Whether digital or real-life movies. Matter and light were projected to your brain else you'd never have seen the movie. Although it was acted, it had to be really acted with real matter and light else you would never see it, lol.
Now, one is asleep, no external matter and light projection, yet he sees a 'movie'. Where's this internal projection from? You say your brain. Yet people dream of stuff they didn't ever put in their brain, stuff that get to happen. Don't worry, we'll analyze this down in the post.

Lol. A better question. When you're unable to answer this. You brought forth unverified assumptions/theories and dusted your hands. Smh. Try answering the dumb question this time or wait till we analyse it down the post.

It doesn't exist, you say. Smh. Again, the context. You wouldn't fear if you didn't see the matter and light projection. An INTELLIGENCE was behind both that energy transmission and the ordering of the script to produce fear. You saw SOMETHING, and SENSIBLE enough to induce fear. That's why you were scared. Had there been nothing or senseless, you wouldn't be scared. You're not scared now, are you? Same with your nightmares, sensible enough to induce fear. But these projections in your dreams unlike the movie are from an internal source.

Funny I haven't mentioned a single fairytale. You couldn't swear on your life what or what not I believe in. Could already see you're good at taking giant, incoherent leaps from the start, lol.

Your problem isn't proof. Your problem is you want all proof to be only physical. It wouldn't matter to you if all your physical learning proves there is reality in another plane until the reality becomes physical, lol.


Now, let's investigate imagination. Are imaginations a product of your brain or a product of your will?
If I say close your eyes, imagine a butterfly. Your brain picks up my words. If you say it's the brain that's chiefly responsible for imagination. Then everytime you hear those words, you should automatically imagine a butterfly.
Of course, if you wanted to, you would.
But if you decided not to but to imagine a dog instead, that would be your imagination.
Your imagination then is an indirect consequence of your will acting as a 'director' of your brain.
In the same vein, your brain can direct your hands to move. But it's only if you want to move the hands. If you don't, the brain can't. There is a WILL directing your brain to make the body do whatever it decides.
So we can separate the will as a higher power than the brain, if it controls the brain. Then when you're unconscious in your sleep and you can't will. What then tells this brain, that remains conscious (active)btw, to project these images as when you were awake? Lol.


And what about consciousness? You are conscious that you exist in this physical plane, right now. YOU will always be conscious of your existence in this plane as long as you exist, BUT, this is only when you're awake. When you sleep, you are no longer conscious of existing in this plane but only in another.

1.) Take note, your brain remains active in this state of YOU unconsciousness. This means you, the self-conscious, now unconscious or conscious in another plane(which you call unreal, lol) cannot be in the same plane with your brain which is still active in this plane. You, the conscious self are therefore distinguishable from your brain.

2.) If your brain which is directed by your will in this consciousness is still being directed, when you are in another consciousness. Then, the other realm of consciousness must have a direct link with this realm of consciousness your brain lives in since your will is still controlling your brain from over there, the 'unreal'(in your words) realm, Lol. Your unreal realm therefore still affects this realm.
3) Again, even the consciousness itself which you cannot deny because you experience it happens to be intangible to the detection of this plane, lol.

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Couldn't read this boring long epistle with unfounded claims that can't be proven. I thought muttylafer is dumb, but it seems he has a competition.

Finstar:
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Couldn't read this boring long epistle with unfounded claims that can't be proven. I thought muttylafer is dumb, but it seems he has a competition.

LMAO. That's what you had to do in this cage. Good one.
You even scared to mention the muttleylaff guy, lol. Wouldn't want any witnesses to your walloping, lol.
I know once you got to the superior will part, you knew you had no way out, lol.
Then the consciousness part knocked you out, full swing, lol.
At least if not good enough to tackle, you should be smart enough to escape with some dignity, lol.
Respect man!!

Finstar:


A simple Google search would educate you about deja vu. Don't stress me please.

Why do you think people have deja vus. How can you be reliving exactly an experience you never had in this consciousness except you already had it in an altered consciousness.
Learner, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
You earlier said, He is Omnipotent. Tantamount to mean, there is nothing He is unable to do. Even His "placeholder" name, talking of I AM I AM, that is, is self revealing in itself that He came do or be anything.

He shall be what He shall be, especially when and/or where necessary, lol

You are missing the point. The argument is showing the problem with the word "omnipotence". It is a very illogical characteristic. It is one thing to do the impossible but it is another to do the illogical.

Saying that your God is omnipotent is tantamount to say that he is nonsensical and illogical to the normal human being.


Saying that there is nothing your God is unable to do is problematic. Can he be asleep and awake at the same time? If you say yes, then by all means, your God is nonsensical

Adakintroy2:


Oga make una go sit down with una know know.

The wisest men know they know nothing from solomon to socrates.

No one can prove God exist neither can anyone prove he doesn't. It's a stelmate. If you want tp spar intellectually, its understood.

spirit of democracy permittes you to believe what you want.

As for me there is God. That's my evidence. You can't see it, I can.

Bros, no vex. I did not come to your house to force atheism on you. You on the other hand, came to my thread.

I'm happy, you accept that you cannot prove the existence of God

I think atheist are shallow thinkers

Finstar:
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Couldn't read this boring long epistle with unfounded claims that can't be proven. I thought muttylafer is dumb, but it seems he has a competition.

bwahaha muttylaugh

Rozz:
I think atheist are shallow thinkers

Come tell us why, you guys are the one's stoning old women as witch.

GRIMMJOE:
Come tell us why, you guys are the one's stoning old women as witch.

I will create a thread on that soon.I will tag you when I do

MacCantStopMe:


Bros, no vex. I did not come to your house to force atheism on you. You on the other hand, came to my thread.

I'm happy, you accept that you cannot prove the existence of God

I mean, can't they read the hand writting on the wall, if you're finding it difficult to prove God exist, this shows you something is wrong.

Fictional Jesus never had this problems in the Bible, as soon as you doubt, he gives evidence.

Rozz:
I will create a thread on that soon.I will tag you when I do

Bla bla , as if all the thread you guys have been creating have been of any value.

Rozz:
I think atheist are shallow thinkers

As compared to who? Christians, muslims? Buddhists? Pagans?


Dont just put offensive generalisations, try to make a sensible point

GRIMMJOE:
Bla bla , as if all the thread you guys have been creating have been of any value.

Im coming with fire and it will be a turning point for you by His grace amen

MacCantStopMe:


Bros, no vex. I did not come to your house to force atheism on you. You on the other hand, came to my thread.

I'm happy, you accept that you cannot prove the existence of God

Technically you came to my house. Your post is in most homes. Some choose not to open because they are bored with this topics and it's childish, others choose to because they wish to engage in intellectual combat.

Yes I can't not prove God exist because unlike you am not afraid to say I know nothing Even though I know more than you. Am only a believer.

Claiming to be able to prove the non existence of God will trap you in this time loop forever. It's a waste of knowledge.

aadoiza:
Your exquisitely wrought delineation of such dreams is certainly appreciated, but not satisfactory.
if such dreams are predicated only on hankering and past experiences your explanation would have been greeted with satisfaction. But I have had such dreams even without plan or intention of going anywhere in subsequent days or weeks.

You know what's strangest about it all? The places I see in these foretelling dreams always turn out more accurate in reality than those places already known to me as seeing in dreams.

"As I was praying, Gabriel, (i.e. angel) whom I had seen in the earlier vision, came swiftly to me at the time of the evening sacrifice"
- Daniel 9:21

"I know a certain Christian man who fourteen years ago was snatched up to the highest heaven
I do not know whether this actually happened or whether he had a vision--only God knows."
- 2 Corinthians 12:2

"At this point I had another vision and saw an open door in heaven.
And the voice that sounded like a trumpet, which I had heard speaking to me before, said,
"Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this."
- Revelation 4:1

I wasnt with that talking about your dream(s) per se, but it was just posted as a fyi with you cc'ed so to see it, lol. I merely put my hand in the pocket, and pulled it out without showing what sort of bird, its color I then had in my hand, lol.

What you have, simply is a profound gift. Now you havent actually said, how exactly you experience these phenomena. Is it a when I am, eyes closed and I am fast asleep, sleeping dreams. Are they, my eyes are open, I am awake and not sleeping, but have vivid visions playing out in plain sight ahead/in front of me. Or lastly, cant leave this out, daydreaming

What you seem to be exhibiting is a gift, just as I've earlier remarked. It's something in the line of two gifts, called word of knowledge and the word of wisdom. I dont have to tell you why you have this gift, the purpose why you are gifted with it and who primarily is to benefit of this gift.

Adakintroy2:


Technically you came to my house. Your post is in most homes. Some choose not to open because they are bored with this topics and it's childish, others choose to because they wish to engage in intellectual combat.

Yes I can't not prove God exist because unlike you am not afraid to say I know nothing Even though I know more than you. Am only a believer.

Claiming to be able prove the non existence of God will trap you in this time loop forever. It's a waste of knowledge.

I dont know how I technically came to your house. Abeg, stop that nonsense!

I agree that one cannot prove or disprove the existence of God in general. However, the moment you give your God illogical and self-refuting properties, it becomes easy to disprove the god's existence with logic.

Finstar:
What's up with the ad hominem?

C'mon quit playing denials. It's there in plain sight to see. One minute, you like, next minute, its a 180^o turn dont like, lol. Why the sudden change. What brought it on. Seems you're inconsistent

Finstar:
Seems you've been looking for a perfect avenue to burst, and you just did the moment I burst your ego. But the fact remains that you're delusional.

The fact remains, you're a wind, and that if you didnt pass, I would have swept and carried you away in a whirlwind. Now chop chop along, instead of biting more than you ever can chew

Rozz:
Im coming with fire and it will be a turning point for you by His grace amen

You're coming with fire, like that's suppose to mean something.

MuttleyLaff:
C'mon quit playing denials. It's there in plain sight to see. One minute, you like, next minute, its a 180^o turn dont like, lol. Why the sudden change. What brought it on. Seems you're inconsistent

The fact remains, you're a wind, and that if you didnt pass, I would have swept and carried you away in a whirlwind. Now chop chop along, instead of biting more than you ever can chew

Typical Muttley he'll leave the argument and start attacking the person.

MacCantStopMe:
You are missing the point. The argument is showing the problem with the word "omnipotence".

You are missing the point, no one is having an argument with you. It's you arguing all by yourself. Now the problem is there isnt anything wrong with that perfect word "Omnipotence", it is you having 99 problems with the word, that's all and we all understand you, your problem and what the problem is you have with the problem, lol

MacCantStopMe:
It is a very illogical characteristic. It is one thing to do the impossible but it is another to do the illogical.
Saying that your God is omnipotent is tantamount to say that he is nonsensical and illogical to the normal human being.

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
Don't you know that God's a Paradox ni?

Listen does sound sensical and logical for a bush on flames, but its not burning, huh? Someone like you, will shrug it off and walk away, lo, but someone else, turned around, thinking what is going on there, this looks and sounds nonsensical and illogical, I better go and investigate, and the rest is history, lol.

MacCantStopMe:
Saying that there is nothing your God is unable to do is problematic. Can he be asleep and awake at the same time? If you say yes, then by all means, your God is nonsensical

See, you're ignorant, no offence intended there. I said it with the utmost and uttermost respect, but God had already slept and was awake at the sme time na. What are you talking about?

MacCantStopMe:

I dont know how I technically came to your house. Abeg, stop that nonsense!

I agree that one cannot prove or disprove the existence of God in general. However, the moment you give your God illogical and self-refuting properties, it becomes easy to disprove the god's existence with logic.

Disprove God with logic how. Something you bought from school absent of which there would be no logic enough in you in the first place..

School most of your father's presented to you who by the way believed in one God's or the other. Which in any case your present logic your using to disprove "God" Is resting on the believe in God it self at one point. So your logic" depending on how you understand logic already has God in it somewhere.

GRIMMJOE:
Typical Muttley he'll leave the argument and start attacking the person.

You this man, you've stalked up to here, erhn. You've tracked me down here, located and found my hiding place, hiding away from you. Na wa ooo. Dont worry, I will cover my tracks much better, next time, lol

I hardly attack the messenger, I dont kick at the foot. I kick the ball, but I do give as good as I get. Come at me with a nail, I come after you with a hammer, espcially, if you are one of those who take pride and delight in their ignorances, others I will suffer gladly, and overlook however they carry themselves on threads

GRIMMJOE:
Typical Muttley he'll leave the argument and start attacking the person.

It didn't even take up to 3 minutes.

MuttleyLaff:
You are missing the point, no one is having an argument with you . It's you arguing all by yourself. Now the problem is there isnt anything wrong with that perfect word "Omnipotence", it is you having 99 problems with the word, that's all and we all understand you your problem and what the problem is you have with the problem, lol

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
Do you know that God's a Paradox ni?

Listen does sound sensical and logical for a bush on flames, but its not burning, huh? Someone like you , will shrug it off and walk away, lo, but someone else, turned around, thinking what is going on there, this looks and sounds nonsensical and illogical, I better go and investigate, and the rest is history, lol.

See, you're ignorant, no offence intended there. I said it with the utmost and uttermost respect, but God had already slept and was awake at the sme time na. What are you talking about?

Finstar:
Couldn't read this boring long epistle with unfounded claims that can't be proven. I thought muttylafer is [u]dumb[/b], but it seems he has a competition.

Half smart pretender(s) always have challenges reading more than one or two lines of posts, lol

RealMrNigerD:
LMAO. That's what you had to do in this cage. Good one.
You even scared to mention the muttleylaff guy, lol. Wouldn't want any witnesses to your walloping, lol.
I know once you got to the superior will part, you knew you had no way out, lol.
Then the consciousness part knocked you out, full swing, lol.
At least if not good enough to tackle, you should be smart enough to escape with some dignity, lol.
Respect man!!

Dont mind him ojaare

GRIMMJOE:
bwahaha muttylaugh

Are you lol at me because Finstar intentionally misspelt MuttleyLaff, because he was scared ṣhitting in the pants, that I might come after him and heavily clamp down on him, if I find out from him correctly spelling the moniker, and/or you are having a rock solid hard-on because Finstar called me dumb, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
You this man, you've stalked up to here, erhn. You've tracked me down here, located and found my hiding place, hiding away from you . Na wa ooo. Dont worry, I will cover my tracks much better, next time, lol

After U comes I

MuttleyLaff:
I hardly attack the messenger, I dont kick at the foot. I kick the ball, but I do give as good as I get. Come at me with a nail, I come after you with a hammer, espcially, if you are one of those who take pride and delight in their ignorances, others I will suffer gladly, and overlook however they carry themselves on threads

Muttley become an Atheist for a day and test the freedom, I'm sure your God won't mind.

Adakintroy2:


Disprove God with logic how. Something you bought from school absent of which there would be no logic enough in you in the first place..

School most of your father's presented to you who by the way believed in one God's or the other. Which in any case your present logic your using to disprove "God" Is resting on the believe in God it self at one point. So your logic" depending on how you understand logic already has God in it somewhere.

Look at you screaming logic, since when is the Bible logical?

GRIMMJOE:
Look at you screaming logic, since when is the Bible logical?

Have you ever consider simple instruction as" thou shall not kill" as a for-runner to peace and orderliness?

Is that not logical and resaonable enough to you or how do you understand logic and resoning?

Adakintroy2:


Disprove God with logic how. Something you bought from school absent of which there would be no logic enough in you in the first place..

School most of your father's presented to you who by the way believed in one God's or the other. Which in any case your present logic your using to disprove "God" Is resting on the believe in God it self at one point. So your logic" depending on how you understand logic already has God in it somewhere.

Convoluted nonsense.

Now read what I'm going to tell you so that you can understand simple logic.

1. If I tell you that I have a BMW car.

2. You can say that you cannot disprove or prove the existence of my car over nairaland.

3. If I then proceed to tell you that the car cross the Atlantic ocean.

4 you could then correctly claim that my car doesnt exist. Why? Because it is illogical for a car to float or swim. It is purposely built for land travel.



Now apply this to your God who supposedly can be asleep and awake at the same time. Or a God who is omniscient but gets jealous when we worship other gods.

Omnipotence and omniscience are illogical, paradoxical and self refuting.

MuttleyLaff:
Half smart pretender(s) always have challenges reading more than one or two lines of posts, lol

Dont mind him ojaare

Are you lol at me because Finstar intentionally misspelt MuttleyLaff, because he was scared ṣhitting in the pants, that I might come after him and heavily clamp down on him, if I find out from him correctly spelling the moniker, and/or you are having a rock solid hard-on because Finstar called me dumb, hmm?

To be honest I'm waiting for Anas, that woman can takes 5 days for a single quote.

@Freedom of speech, expression and worship!

I think each person is FREE to choose.

©God exists~so you find out the best way to worship him shoulder to shoulder with other believers like you!

©God doesn't exist~so you find something else to do with your time when believers are worshiping their SKY DADDY (God)!

At leisure every individual has the sole right to choose how to spend his time, religionists go for their God and atheists go for whatever they feel like doing when they are not at work.

No wahala!

Adakintroy2:


Have you ever consider simple instruction as" thou shall not kill" as a for-runner to peace and orderliness?

Is that not logical and resaonable enough to you or how do you understand logic and resoning?

So, if the bible does not tell you to kill, you will kill?

Were people running around and murdering themselves before Judaism and the old testament came about?

Were your pagan ancestors annihilating themselves until Christians came?


The same bible that has no punishment for slavery. The same bible that considers a woman as property of a man.


You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.