MacCantStopMe:
Thanks for pointing out that your god is a paradox and illogical.

Glad to be of service to you and letting you know that to us, God can seem paradoxical and illogical. There always is a method in the seemingly madness, lol

MacCantStopMe:
A lot of things in the bible do not make sense.

Pray, so it will. Ask for wisdom, knowledge and power to see the sense in the Bible

MacCantStopMe:
How can a Bush be on fire and not burn?

Thats a phenomenon, lol

MacCantStopMe:
This is why religious people tend to be less analytical thinkers than non religious.

Be deluding yourself and be making yourself happy with falsehood and lies, lol, sogbọ.

aadoiza:
Ok. But I still think the previous post would pass for a scientific explanation.

It does, and its part of the pieces in the jigsaw puzzle, lol

aadoiza:
And no, its not trance. Its not vision. Its not any New Age guff. Its just good o' God-given, natural dream.

agree with that its a God given dreamer gift.

aadoiza:
I'm not particularly sure it's a gift as I don't see events that I haven't happened nor do I see an august visitor coming. In fact, MuttleyLaff, my dreams don't come true.

What does "my dreams dont come true" mean? You've earlier said in the two below reproduced quotes, that you find yourself in those places days after in reality.

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aadoiza:
Your exquisitely wrought delineation of such dreams is certainly appreciated, but not satisfactory.
if such dreams are predicated only on hankering and past experiences your explanation would have been greeted with satisfaction. But I have had such dreams even without plan or intention of going anywhere in subsequent days or weeks.

You know what's strangest about it all? The places I see in these foretelling dreams always turn out more accurate in reality than those places already known to me as seeing in dreams.

aadoiza:
Perhaps you could explain to me why I seldom see places i have never been to in my dreams and only to find myself in those places days after in reality.

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aadoiza:
Most of my dreams appear to be deleted from my mnemonic data just at the point of awaking from sleep. So seeing a few places in dreams before actually going there in the flesh can't be a gift.

I have dreams like that too, where upon waking up I am unable to remember the dream I had when sleeping though I knew I had a dream. It got to a point, I realise or know I am dreaming, and didnt want to wake up into reality because I so much was enjoying the dream. I remember knowing I was dreaming and in my consciousness I didnt want to wake up yet until I got to doing a particular thing in the dream.

Also, sometimes during have a dream while sleeping, if I have gotten woken up, i find myself telling off whoever it was that woke me up, because in the dream I was about doing something exciting, but the waking up cancelled that then.

Another thing, is I might be having a beautiful dream, but if I need to check the time or something else, like use the toilet for a pee, I wouldnt wake because I dont want to lose the dream, as that's what happens when I do wake up. I havent dreamt for a long time now.

Sometimes, I am dreaming about something exciting and consciously in parallel to having the dream, I am telling myself dont forget the dream, dont forget the details in the dream when you wake up, lol. I even try to force memories of what I am dreaming into my consciousness, but nine times out of ten, when I wake up, I still wont remember what dream I had, lol

aadoiza:
And to what end if it were a gift?

It is to good ends.
Not for selfish, not for money-grubbing, not for self-serving, not for self-seeking, not for out for what one can get because of it purposes ends

Maximus69:


Sorry!

Advanced countries also have religionists in their midst, and they're not blaming them for failures.
Black man's brains often malfunctions because instead of focusing on the real problems you people concentrate on the wrong direction.

There is modern day slavery going on throughout the world today, so the only way to save your country is if you people change your system of government!

Capitalism and Democracy is not good for you!

If someone ask you now to point to any atheist nation, you will say "CHINA" but do you know that China is practicing communism?

Would you approve it if everything belongs to the state so that we share everything equally?

Would you approve if the law says all fraudsters should be executed no matter how big or tiny the fraud?

For your information, Nigeria can only improve a bit if the country turn to practice communism but even ordinary you will object to it!

So your problem is not religion but Politics!

most first class country have abolished religion, you don't see a white woman killing an Owl calling it witch, they keep in zoo and make revenue.

China is not the only successful country, Saudi is successful because of 1 religion, they agree and work together.
This is a luxury Nigeria will never have, the two major religion will never work together.

Church bomb blast, I was passing dead body because I'm categorized as a Christian, one idíot will come and kill me because of 72 Virgin, ritualist looking for my beloved twins to sacrifice.

No religion, no terrorist
No religion, no ritualist
No religion, no superstition
No religion, no crime

GRIMMJOE:
But your story might be what we need, maybe there is no story, it's cool though, you don't have to answer. Good Night.

Nighty nigh friend. Sweet dreams

MuttleyLaff:
It does, and its part of the pieces in the jigsaw puzzle, lol

agree with that its a God given dreamer gift.

What does "my dreams dont come true" mean? You've earlier said in the two below reproduced quotes, that you find yourself in those places days after in reality.

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I have dreams like that where upon waking up I am unable to remember the dream I had when sleeping though I knew I had a dream. It got to a point, I realise or know I am dreaming, and didnt want to wake up into reality because I so much was enjoying the dream. I remember knowing I was dreaming and in my consciousness I didnt want to wake up yet until I got to doing a particular thing in the dream. Also, sometimes during have a dream while sleeping, if I have gotten woken up, i find myself telling off whoever it was that woke me up, because in the dream I was about doing something exciting, but the waking up cancelled that then. Another thing, is I might be having a beautiful dream, but if I need to check the time or something else, like use the toilet for a pee, I wouldnt wake because I dont want to lose the dream, as that's what happens when I do wake up. I havent dreamt for a long time now. Sometimes, I am dreaming about something exciting and consciously in parallel to having the dream, I am telling myself dont forget the dream, dont forget the details in the dream when you wake up, lol. I even try to force memories of what I am dreaming into my consciouness, but nine times out of ten, when I wake uo, I cant remember what I dreamed, lol

It is to good ends.
Not for selfish, not for money-grubbing, not for self-serving, not for self-seeking, not for out for what one can get because of it purposes ends

bro, its just a dream, if dream can tell the future, everyone will be sleeping.

MuttleyLaff:
Glad to be of service to you and letting you know that to us, God can seem paradoxical and illogical. There always is a method in the seemingly madness, lol

Pray, so it will. Ask for wisdom, knowledge and power to see the sense in the Bible

Thats a phenomenon, lol

Be deluding yourself and be making yourself happy with falsehood and lies, lol, sogbọ.

I should pray for ignorance to understand the nonsense in the bible?

Ogbeni, I'm too old.for.fairy tales. Your Jesus came back to life like a zombie. Eve was brought to life from the rib of Adam like a sci-fi cloned villain there was a talking snake and later on, a talking donkey.


You believe all these things happened. Agbaya. Are you not too old for childish stories?

GRIMMJOE:
bro, its just a dream, if dream can tell the future, everyone will be sleeping.

Go and sleep jor. Who did you read anyone here sharing notes about dreams that tell the future. Abeggy swerve off to your mat jor

Maximus69:


Sorry!

Advanced countries also have religionists in their midst, and they're not blaming them for failures.
Black man's brains often malfunctions because instead of focusing on the real problems you people concentrate on the wrong direction.

There is modern day slavery going on throughout the world today, so the only way to save your country is if you people change your system of government!

Capitalism and Democracy is not good for you!

If someone ask you now to point to any atheist nation, you will say "CHINA" but do you know that China is practicing communism?

Would you approve it if everything belongs to the state so that we share everything equally?

Would you approve if the law says all fraudsters should be executed no matter how big or tiny the fraud?

For your information, Nigeria can only improve a bit if the country turn to practice communism but even ordinary you will object to it!

So your problem is not religion but Politics!

I vehemently disagree.

Take EU for example. European countries have mostly left christianity behind. Even their Christians are not religious.

A third of people in the UK are not religious. They dont follow any religion. These are the same people who came to dump religion on us Nigerians.

Religion is a problem. Take it or leave it.

MacCantStopMe:
I should pray for ignorance to understand the nonsense in the bible?

Ogbeni, I'm too old.for.fairy tales. Your Jesus came back to life like a zombie. Eve was brought to life from the rib of Adam like a sci-fi cloned villain there was a talking snake and later on, a talking donkey.

You believe all these things happened. Agbaya. Are you not too old for childish stories?

I have hardly met an atheist who has ever got it right the first, second, third, 10000th time and still counting, that there never ever was a talking snake, smh

MuttleyLaff:
I have hardly met an atheist who has ever got it right the first, second, third, 10000th time and still counting, that there never ever was a talking snake, smh

Eh??

Please, who then was it that tempted Eve?

MacCantStopMe:
Eh??
Please, who then was it that tempted Eve?

Not a snake.

MuttleyLaff:
Not a snake.

Mr Cryptic, WHO WAS IT??

WHO TEMPTED EVE, NIGGA?

MacCantStopMe:

Mr Cryptic, WHO WAS IT??
WHO TEMPTED EVE, NIGGA?

Sleep on it.
Everyone have gone to rest their eyes. Lights out!

MuttleyLaff:
Sleep on it.
Everyone have gone to rest their eyes. Lights out!

Joker. It would have killed you to type one name abi?

MacCantStopMe:
Joker.
It would have killed you to type one name abi?

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Joker

kingxsamz:


It's good you're admitting to the fact that you have no evidence.
Most of your Christian folks would prove stubborn.

The evidence I have is my life and hat of those I know have received Jesus into their lives genuinely.

But I don't have scientific evidence for you because science is just an aspect of life.

MacCantStopMe:


Faith is the opposite of knowledge. It is ignorance by believing without evidence

Faith is the opposite of knowledge . That's new and you said ignorance is believing without evidence. Even science believe certain things happen without concrete evidence yet.


Pls think about what you wrote again.

greatbygrace:


Faith is the opposite of knowledge . That's new and you said ignorance is believing without evidence. Even science believe certain things happen without concrete evidence yet.


Pls think about what you wrote again.

I would gently ask you to use your brain.


Science is based on methodological naturalism. The study of nature. It relies on hard evidence to make conclusions about the nature of our universe.

Believing without seeing is the hallmark of the ignorant.

MuttleyLaff:
"Gbogbo wọn lole... Ẹni ilẹ mọ ba ni barawo" loosely translated means "All of una dem be scammers, na the one wey EFCC catch be Yahoo, Yahoo convict," lol

True Dat!

MacCantStopMe:


I vehemently disagree.

Take EU for example. European countries have mostly left christianity behind. Even their Christians are not religious.

A third of people in the UK are not religious. They dont follow any religion. These are the same people who came to dump religion on us Nigerians.

Religion is a problem. Take it or leave it.

Just meditate on the bolded then answer for yourself.

If their Christians are not religious then what is Christianity?

What atheists don't realize is the fact that politicians use all available tools to gain control over others, European politicians of the 16/17th century came to colonize Africans, they used force but religion helped them to win the heart of majority.
If you all become atheists today, the white politicians will still find their way to enslave you whether you believe in God or not!

GRIMMJOE:
You might also want to tell us why didn't you're forefathers kill each other before Christianity reached Nigeria.

They did kill because they have the fear of the Gods as well not scientific rational. The laws of there Gods informed their behavior. We are arguing for the existence of God and in God exist logic.

GRIMMJOE:
That's why we don't need religion, check all those that kill, they are religious.

And even your God too us religious, and he killed more.

This is why I say you people are naive. What will men replace God with. Your chldish wishful thinking that all of us can be rational and good. Is one thing to be rational it's another to be good.

God is rightouse he does not kill without a just cause according to the bible. The flood was for the iniquities of men some which may have included murder. The Egyptians had their first born killed because at one point they were the first to strike at the children of helpless slaves. If God had not act to restrict them they would have pummel the Israelite to dispair. So God kill their first born but it was for balance and to extablish right ouse truth.

Surely you can see the logic in that.

MacCantStopMe:


Convoluted nonsense.

Now read what I'm going to tell you so that you can understand simple logic.

1. If I tell you that I have a BMW car.

2. You can say that you cannot disprove or prove the existence of my car over nairaland.

3. If I then proceed to tell you that the car cross the Atlantic ocean.

4 you could then correctly claim that my car doesnt exist. Why? Because it is illogical for a car to float or swim. It is purposely built for land travel.



Now apply this to your God who supposedly can be asleep and awake at the same time. Or a God who is omniscient but gets jealous when we worship other gods.

Omnipotence and omniscience are illogical, paradoxical and self refuting.

There is no paradox there. Your reason limits you. If am omnipotent and ominiscience. I can sleep and stay awake at thesame time. I can do anything. Logic will logically not apply to me since I created logic in the first place.

I can make a car float through the atlantic. However illogical it is to you its not to me. A fire may be destructive to other men at on instance and I can make it not destructive to others. Am ominipotent. Again logic is your tool to shape your reasoning. Not mine. Am not shape by reason rather I decide what can be reasonable at any point and at anytime. That's why they call me ominipotent and omiscience. Man of war. Prince of peace all the contradictions exist in me. I am what I am.

MacCantStopMe:
Joker

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MacCantStopMe:
Convoluted nonsense.

Now read what I'm going to tell you so that you can understand simple logic.

1. If I tell you that I have a BMW car.

2. You can say that you cannot disprove or prove the existence of my car over nairaland.

3. If I then proceed to tell you that the car cross the Atlantic ocean.

4 you could then correctly claim that my car doesnt exist. Why? Because it is illogical for a car to float or swim. It is purposely built for land travel.

Now apply this to your God who supposedly can be asleep and awake at the same time. Or a God who is omniscient but gets jealous when we worship other gods.

Omnipotence and omniscience are illogical, paradoxical and self refuting.

Adakintroy2:
There is no paradox there. You reason limits you. If am omnipotent and ominiscience. I can sleep and stay awake at thesame time. I can do anything. Logic will logically not apply to me since I created logic in the first place.

I can make a car float through the atlantic. However illogical it is to you its not to me. A fire may be destructive to other men at on instance and I can make it not destructive to others. Am ominipotent. Again logic is your tool to shape your reasoning. Not mine. Am not shape by reason rather I decide what can be reasonable at any point and at anytime. That's why they call me ominipotent and omiscience. Man of war. Prince of peace all the contradictions exist in me. I am what I am.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC33DWHmWnE

Adakintroy2, my guy, it seems you dont know MacCantStopMe aka LogicBoy from back in the day. The guy will argue with himself, even if its only him in a room. I dont mind him having his arguments, but when he does argue blindly, that's when it becomes cringy

Four (4) Cars That Can Float On Water.
https://thecarlinker.com/2018/10/24/4-cars-that-can-float-on-water/

MuttleyLaff:


What does "my dreams dont come true mean? You've earlier said in the two below reproduced quotes, that you find yourself in those places days after in reality.

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At the emboldened: I never saw it as 'my dreams coming true', not until I read the above comment. Anyway I still don't see it as such. And it's not as if when I have these dreams they tend to have any bearing on my dealings in the actual places. They don't do anything at all.

I believe dreams that actually come true should convey a meaning, or affect one's life.

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I have dreams like that too, where upon waking up I am unable to remember the dream I had when sleeping though I knew I had a dream. It got to a point, I realise or know I am dreaming, and didnt want to wake up into reality because I so much was enjoying the dream. I remember knowing I was dreaming and in my consciousness I didnt want to wake up yet until I got to doing a particular thing in the dream.

Also, sometimes during have a dream while sleeping, if I have gotten woken up, i find myself telling off whoever it was that woke me up, because in the dream I was about doing something exciting, but the waking up cancelled that then.

I did these a lot growing up

Another thing, is I might be having a beautiful dream, but if I need to check the time or something else, like use the toilet for a pee, I wouldnt wake because I dont want to lose the dream, as that's what happens when I do wake up. I havent dreamt for a long time now.

Sometimes, I am dreaming about something exciting and consciously in parallel to having the dream, I am telling myself dont forget the dream, dont forget the details in the dream when you wake up, lol. I even try to force memories of what I am dreaming into my consciousness , but nine times out of ten, when I wake up, I still wont remember what dream I had, lol

Well, it's still OK. Lemme tell you another style lol. It's in contrast to the emboldened. In this case, I always kinda forced my consciousness into my nightmares sorta. And I want to believe this is what ended nightmares for me as it was effective that bad dreams didn't scare me anymore. Although it's been a long while I did it.

This is how I did it: whenever I had a really terrifying nightmare with an unacceptable sticky ending for me and I woke up, I would immediately go back to sleep focusing on the ending of the nightmare from which I'd just woken up and projecting a desirable ending from my consciousness into the impending continuation of the same nightmare. It was my absolutely effective antidote to nightmares back in the day, and it made me grow stronger in the face of very bad dreams until nightmares and I became parallel lines.

This could have been a gift, who knows. I don't know if I can still pull it off.

I think this ability might have facilitated my little success in astral projection/lucid dreaming pursuit a few years back. Having read some articles on AP and that many couldn't project in their first few tries, I decided to try, and after a few minutes of concentration off I went. Now that I'm thinking about it I think it really did.

It is to good ends.
Not for selfish, not for money-grubbing, not for self-serving, not for self-seeking, not for out for what one can get because of it purposes ends

I hope so

MacCantStopMe:


I vehemently disagree.

Take EU for example. European countries have mostly left christianity behind. Even their Christians are not religious.

A third of people in the UK are not religious. They dont follow any religion. These are the same people who came to dump religion on us Nigerians.

Religion is a problem. Take it or leave it.

Perhaps you want to tell us how atheism was the precursor for Western development.

Finstar:


Seems you have a lot to learn regarding to dreams.

Do you know that dogs can dream? Does that mean they have a soul or an afterlife based on your belief?

Dreams are mere abstract images, partly based on your daily experiences, life, visions, desire, fear, etc.

You can sleep and dream of about being a president. Probably because you've been nursing such a desire.

You can play cheese all day, and still see yourself doing such in a dream state.

You and your lots seem to link the dream state to a kinda spiritual dimension or alternate existence.

These are just neurons firing up and down in your brain. They don't prove the existence of anything.

So what empirical evidence do you have @bolded?

Maximus69:


Just meditate on the bolded then answer for yourself.

If their Christians are not religious then what is Christianity?

What atheists don't realize is the fact that politicians use all available tools to gain control over others, European politicians of the 16/17th century came to colonize Africans, they used force but religion helped them to win the heart of majority.
If you all become atheists today, the white politicians will still find their way to enslave you whether you believe in God or not!

In the UK, less than 10% of Christians go to church regularly. That is what I mean by christaons not being religious. In Africa, churchbattendance is 90%. Think about that.

aadoiza:


Perhaps you want to tell us how atheism was the precursor for Western development.

Secularism not atheism. Secularism saved Europe from Thoecratic madness of Kings who thought they had the divine right to rule. Also saved them from papal infallibility in politics.

aadoiza:
At the emboldened:

Oh oh, so you too found it funny, having being caught in broad daylight with your hand in the cookie jar. Pesin wey ṣhit no dey remember, nah the other pesin wey clean up the ṣhit dey forever remember, lol. You contradicted yourself there, lol.

aadoiza:
I never saw it as 'my dreams coming true', not until I read the above comment. Anyway I still don't see it as such. And it's not as if when I have these dreams they tend to have any bearing on my dealings in the actual places. They don't do anything at all.

Please oo, dont think we dont read content posted here carefully. We note down everything, including every jot and tittle, lol.

aadoiza:
I believe dreams that actually come true should convey a meaning, or affect one's life.

It does, which is why, I previously said something like this is a gift. It is a gift that needs in the right way and manner, be cultivated and/or nurtured, while also in the right way, be stimulated, developed, strengthen and advanced

aadoiza:
I did these a lot growing up

Talking about how we've stopped having certain weird and/or violating dreams

In the very long long long past ago, I used to ocassionally have dreams, where in it, I am having sensual lovemaking etcetera activities with a faceless opposite sex, that then, funnily enough I used to enjoy having them dreams when they do occur. Mind you, I never, didnt nor dont crave for it, but when it does happen, I didnt mind it, lol, but then, suddenly, boom, one day, of course, after coming to my right senses that is, I was sleeping, and in a dream, I found myself about descending into this again, having sensual lovemaking etcetera activities with some seductive, physically attractive, sexually suggestive faceless opposite sex, at the moment of about entering the dream proper, I just in a forceful way, while sleep in my sleep, put my foot down, and said to myself, "No, no way, I am not going in there, I dont want any of that ..." and that's being the end for me, of ever having any episodes of that kind of bizarre dreams. It stopped and I havent had any reapeats or reoccurence again since then. Good riddance to bad rubbish

aadoiza:
Well, it's still OK. Lemme tell you another style lol. It's in contrast to the emboldened. In this case, I always kinda forced my consciousness into my nightmares sorta. And I want to believe this is what ended nightmares for me as it was effective that bad dreams didn't scare me anymore.

I never had nightmares that I could remember I have had. The closest to nightmares I had, for me, will be those seductive dreams, which I've put an end to. Thank God for that, lol

aadoiza:
Although it's been a long while I did it.

This is how I did it: whenever I had a really terrifying nightmare with an unacceptable sticky ending for me and I woke up, I would immediately go back to sleep focusing on the ending of the nightmare from which I'd just woken up and projecting a desirable ending from my consciousness into the impending continuation of the same nightmare. It was my absolutely effective antidote to nightmares back in the day, and it made me grow stronger in the face of very bad dreams until nightmares and I became parallel lines.

Once I wake up, I dont re-dream the dream. It's gone, lol

aadoiza:
This could have been a gift, who knows. I don't know if I can still pull it off.

It is a gift, that as I've earlier mentioned, ought to be cultivate and grow up the right way

aadoiza:
I think this ability might have facilitated my little success in astral projection/lucid dreaming pursuit a few years back. Having read some articles on AP and that many couldn't project in their first few tries, I decided to try, and after a few minutes of concentration off I went. Now that I'm thinking about it I think it really did.

Dreams, should be natural, not be forcibly assisted by or induced with astral projection and whatnot. Things like that will only pervert the gift and destroy a good gift

aadoiza:
I hope so

There is an aphorism, we usually say in IT, and that is, a skill not used, is a skill lost. Replace skill, in there, with good gift, lol
cc: aadoiza