Adakintroy2:


There is no paradox there. You reason limits you. If am omnipotent and ominiscience. I can sleep and stay awake at thesame time. I can do anything. Logic will logically not apply to me since I created logic in the first place.

I can make a car float through the atlantic. However illogical it is to you its not to me. A fire may be destructive to other men at on instance and I can make it not destructive to others. Am ominipotent. Again logic is your tool to shape your reasoning. Not mine. Am not shape by reason rather I decide what can be reasonable at any point and at anytime. That's why they call me ominipotent and omiscience. Man of war. Prince of peace all the contradictions exist in me. I am what I am.

1. I specifically mentioned a BMW. BMW does make amphibious vehicles.

2. Those cars that float are amphibious vehicles. They are not called cars but amphibious vehicles. A car is defined as a road vehicle.


I specifically set a trap for you so that I could see if you could follow logic. Rather than follow the sense, you went into semantics and claim that logic is not for God.

Guy, God did not create logic. Logic exists as an abstract tool for a sentient mind to use. It is an abstract concept that exists independent of a being. Even looking at the universe, the universe follows it's own logical processes. If God created the universe, he too is a slave of logic and processes. It seems that he cannot create without space, gravity and time.

MuttleyLaff:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC33DWHmWnE

Adakintroy2, my guy, it seems you dont know MacCantStopMe aka LogicBoy from back in the day. The guy will argue with himself, even if its only him in a room. I dont mind him having his arguments, but when he does argue blindly, that's when it becomes cringy

Four (4) Cars That Can Float On Water.
https://thecarlinker.com/2018/10/24/4-cars-that-can-float-on-water/

1. I specifically mentioned a BMW. BMW does make amphibious vehicles.

2. Those cars that float are amphibious vehicles. They are not called cars but amphibious vehicles. A car is defined as a road vehicle.


I specifically set a trap for him so that I could see if he could follow logic. Rather than follow the sense, both you and him went into semantics.

MacCantStopMe:



I would gently ask you to use your brain.


Science is based on methodological naturalism. [/b]The study of [b]nature. It relies on hard evidence to make conclusions about the nature of our universe.

Believing without seeing is the hallmark of the ignorant.

Thank you for gently asking me to use my brain.

From the comments above which is bolded. You used the words nature, naturalism. We Christian never claimed our God is a natural being, we always say He is a Spiritual being. So how will science which study things naturally understand it or how will a natural evidence explain Him?

I for one love science, I believe it is God's gift to man to be productive. Science isn't against God neither is God against science. If you check history, many inventors were Christians.

I am an evidence that God exists, I have experienced the life. There are some things experienced that cannot be totally explained to another person except the person experiences it himself or herself. I hope and pray you experience this beautiful life of God brought to us by Jesus but the choice is yours to make.

Adakintroy2:
Disprove God with logic how. Something you bought from school absent of which there would be no logic enough in you in the first place..

School most of your father's presented to you who by the way believed in one God's or the other. Which in any case your present logic your using to disprove "God" Is resting on the believe in God it self at one point. So your logic" depending on how you understand logic already has God in it somewhere.

MacCantStopMe:
Convoluted nonsense.

Now read what I'm going to tell you so that you can understand simple logic.

1. If I tell you that I have a BMW car.

2. You can say that you cannot disprove or prove the existence of my car over nairaland.

3. If I then proceed to tell you that the car cross the Atlantic ocean.

4 you could then correctly claim that my car doesnt exist. Why?
Because it is illogical for a car to float or swim. It is purposely built for land travel.

Now apply this to your God who supposedly can be asleep and awake at the same time. Or a God who is omniscient but gets jealous when we worship other gods.

Omnipotence and omniscience are illogical, paradoxical and self refuting.

MacCantStopMe:
1. I specifically mentioned a BMW. BMW does make amphibious vehicles.

2. Those cars that float are amphibious vehicles. They are not called cars but amphibious vehicles. A car is defined as a road vehicle.

I specifically set a trap for you so that I could see if you could follow logic. Rather than follow the sense, you went into semantics and claim that logic is not for God.

Guy, God did not create logic. Logic exists as an abstract tool for a sentient mind to use. It is an abstract concept that exists independent of a being. Even looking at the universe, the universe follows it's own logical processes. If God created the universe, he too is a slave of logic and processes. It seems that he cannot create without space, gravity and time.

MacCantStopMe:
1. I specifically mentioned a BMW. BMW does make amphibious vehicles.

2. Those cars that float are amphibious vehicles. They are not called cars but amphibious vehicles. A car is defined as a road vehicle.

I specifically set a trap for him so that I could see if he could follow logic. Rather than follow the sense, both you and him went into semantics.

Go siddon in a corner somewhere jor

You set a trap that you yourself got caught in and now you're trying to wriggle out free of it, moving goal posts and pitifully trying to make fetch happen

Has the world come to an end yet? Has innovation, invention and knowledge stopped, hmm? Have we reached the plateau, so that there can never or ever be BMWs that float in water and/or travel in water. If you really were as one tenth as logical and smart, as you want to believe yourself to be, you would have thought of covering and blocking all escape avenues, instead of trying to use some cheap dishonest means to gain leverage and mileage in the discourse. Always changing goal posts and doing cunning cunning, just as some dishonest scientists and big PHARMAs do

greatbygrace:


Thank you for gently asking me to use my brain.

From the comments above which is bolded. You used the words nature, naturalism. We Christian never claimed our God is a natural being, we always say He is a Spiritual being. So how will science which study things naturally understand it or how will a natural evidence explain Him?

I for one love science, I believe it is God's gift to man to be productive. Science isn't against God neither is God against science. If you check history, many inventors were Christians.

I am an evidence that God exists, I have experienced the life. There are some things experienced that cannot be totally explained to another person except the person experiences it himself or herself. I hope and pray you experience this beautiful life of God brought to us by Jesus but the choice is yours to make.

Well, there is no evidence for the spiritual and science does not deal with the spiritual .

So no problems there. You are free to believe in your God as long as you dont force it on others.

MacCantStopMe:



1. I specifically mentioned a BMW. BMW does make amphibious vehicles.

2. Those cars that float are amphibious vehicles. They are not called cars but amphibious vehicles. A car is defined as a road vehicle.


I specifically set a trap for you so that I could see if you could follow logic. Rather than follow the sense, you went into semantics and claim that logic is not for God.

Guy, God did not create logic. Logic exists as an abstract tool for a sentient mind to use. It is an abstract concept that exists independent of a being. Even looking at the universe, the universe follows it's own logical processes. If God created the universe, he too is a slave of logic and processes. It seems that he cannot create without space, gravity and time.

From the gate out I told you all this debate is futile because am never going to convince you and you never going to convince me. It's a stelmate as far as me and you is concern.

But as far as the world is concern majority of the world already believes in God. So men said in there heart to end dispute let's democratize things. Let's put things to vote.

Majority wins vote. If majority believe in God then God exist.

End.!

MuttleyLaff:




Go siddon in a corner somewhere jor

You set a trap that you yourself got caught in and now you're trying to wriggle out free of it, moving goal posts and pitifully trying to make fetch happen

Has the world come to an end yet? Has innovation, invention and knowledge stopped, hmm? Have we reached the plateau, so that there can never or ever be BMWs that float in water and/or travel in water. If you really were as one tenth as logical and smart, as you want to believe yourself to be, you would have thought of covering and blocking all escape avenues, instead of trying to use some cheap dishonest means to gain leverage and mileage in the discourse. Always changing goal posts and doing cunning cunning, just as some dishonest scientists and big PHARMAs do

I repeat-

2. Those cars that float are amphibious vehicles. They are not called cars but amphibious vehicles. A car is defined as a road vehicle.



Again, I mentioned BMW for a reason.



This is not shifting goalposts. You were the one that refuse to follow the chain of thoughts.

Adakintroy2:


From the gate out I told you all this debate is futile because am never going to convince you and you never going to convince me. It's a stelmate.

But the majority of the world already believes in God. So men said in there heart to end dispute let's democratize things. Let's put things to vote.

majority of the world already believe in God. So God exist.

End.!

And as that majority continues to shrink, what happens 100 years from now when they are a minority?

In the ext 10 years, atheists will be a majority in the UK, they are already a 3rd in of British people

MacCantStopMe:



And as that majority continues to shrink, what happens 100 years from now when they are a minority?

In the ext 10 years, atheists will be a majority in the UK, they are already a 3rd in of British people

Whatever gives you hope. For now God exist. I will enjoy it. I know God can sustain it's own existence when the time comes

MacCantStopMe:
Well, there is no evidence for the spiritual and science does not deal with the spiritual. So no problems there.

You, MacCantStopMe, are a bonafide and kofam evidence for the spiritual. The problems there, are, you not having knowledge and/or awareness of this, lol

MacCantStopMe:
You are free to believe in your God as long as you dont force it on others.

Noboby has. It's the beauty of the stuff that, free will, is made up from, lol. This is life, lol

MacCantStopMe:



Well, there is no evidence for the spiritual and science does not deal with the spiritual .

So no problems there. You are free to believe in your God as long as you dont force it on others.

I guess you see that there is no basis for argument because there is no common ground.

You are also free to believe there is no God because we all have one thing in common which is choice.
I can only hope and pray that one day, you will see the glorious light.
Life is not by chance, there is a reason.

Thank you for the good discussion.

MuttleyLaff:
You, MacCantStopMe, are a bonafide and kofam evidence for the spiritual. The problems there, are, you not having knowledge and/or awareness of this, lol

Noboby has. It's the beauty of the stuff that, free will, is made up from, lol. This is life, lol

What is wrong with you? Do you dislike me that much that you will start saying nonsense just to oppose me?

You as a Nigerian already know that many Christians and muslims force their religion on others. Imagine Christians refusing to hire non Christian's or even at times non members of their church. Governors using state money for religious exercises. People disowning children for converting away from their religion.

So to claim that no one forces god on others is a joke.

greatbygrace:


I guess you see that there is no basis for argument because there is no common ground.

You are also free to believe there is no God because we all have one thing in common which is choice.
I can only hope and pray that one day, you will see the glorious light.
Life is not by chance, there is a reason.

Thank you for the good discussion.

Good discussion but are you leaving this discussion believing that I will burn in hell because of my choice?

MacCantStopMe:
I repeat-

2. Those cars that float are amphibious vehicles. They are not called cars but amphibious vehicles. A car is defined as a road vehicle.

Again, I mentioned BMW for a reason.

This is not shifting goalposts. You were the one that refuse to follow the chain of thoughts.

[img]https://s1/images/stirringMuttleylaff.gif[/img]
Your cheap parlor tricks, hmm?

It is only an unconfident person, that's not brave enough, who'll be employing tricks, underhand cheap parlor tricks and not showing their hands beforehand, then when caught out, resort to hiding behind "You were the one that refuse to follow the chain of thoughts." Smh.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s1/images/stirringMuttleylaff.gif[/img]
Your cheap parlor tricks, hmm?

It is only an unconfident person, that's not brave enough, who'll be employing tricks, underhand cheap parlor tricks and not showing their hands beforehand, then when caught out, resort to hiding behind "You were the one that refuse to follow the chain of thoughts." Smh.

I know you will not apply sense, so let this just die here.

MacCantStopMe:



Good discussion but are you leaving this discussion believing that I will burn in hell because of my choice?

That's your assumption. Wow it never crossed my mind. I don't even know you, why will I think that you will burn in hell? If anything I will love you to have peace.

I'm sorry if in the past you have met judgemental people who profess Christianity. It is actually unfair to stereotype me with them because you don't know me either.

I didn't think of hell through out this discussion, all I was thinking was if you truly have the experience I'm talking about maybe you will change you mind.

Christianity doesn't teach condemnation but reconciliation.

MacCantStopMe:
What is wrong with you? Do you dislike me that much that you will start saying nonsense just to oppose me?

Get yourself together and dont be daft
What impudence

MacCantStopMe:
You as a Nigerian already know that many Christians and muslims force their religion on others. Imagine Christians refusing to hire non Christian's or even at times non members of their church. Governors using state money for religious exercises. People disowning children for converting away from their religion.

So to claim that no one forces god on others is a joke.

You see yourself now, hmm? Has anyone proselytized you on this thread yet, huh?
I have been proselytized here to try atheism. Did it bother me. Did I squeal? Did I have a strop and throw out my dummy. Nah. Thick skin things going on there. You just right there was going on a strawmanning expedition. It's not the season yet for that, lol

MacCantStopMe:
I know you will not apply sense, so let this just die here.

Chihuahua and jungle. Zero chance of survival in the jungle, lol. Of course, na to die now.

greatbygrace:


That's your assumption. Wow it never crossed my mind. I don't even know you, why will I think that you will burn in hell? If anything I will love you to have peace.

I'm sorry if in the past you have met judgemental people who profess Christianity. It is actually unfair to stereotype me with them because you don't know me either.

I didn't think of hell through out this discussion, all I was thinking was if you truly have the experience I'm talking about maybe you will change you mind.

Christianity doesn't teach condemnation but reconciliation.

Okay, no problem.

MacCantStopMe:


Okay, no problem.

Peace

MuttleyLaff:
Get yourself together and dont be daft
What impudence

You see yourself now, hmm? Has anyone proselytized you on this thread yet, huh?
I have been proselytized here to try atheism. Did it bother me. Did I squeal? Did I have a strop and throw out my dummy. Nah. Thick skin things going on there. You just right there was going on a strawmanning expedition. It's not the season yet for that, lol

*Yawns*


I am weakened from this discussion.

MacCantStopMe:
*Yawns*
I am weakened from this discussion.

I am not surprised you are weakened and thats solely because your arguments from word go, have been based on preconceived opinions and hidden agenda ideas. You really didn't set out nor had any intentions, in the first instance, to have a discussion.

GRIMMJOE:
Christians are brain washed, just look at the front page " A man wanting to give his 20k allowance to God" later in the front page a brick layer starves to death.

We're trying to help you people to wake up.

Look Adakintroy2, I made that comment yesterday, guess what hit the front page 12 hour later.

GRIMMJOE:
Look Adakintroy2, I made that comment yesterday, guess what hit the front page 12 hour later.

There is a colloquial that says, a fool and his money soon will part. So nothing surprising nor new under the heavens on this

MuttleyLaff:
I am not surprised you are weakened and thats solely because your arguments from word go, have been based on preconceived opinions and hidden agenda ideas. You really didn't set out nor had any intentions, in the first instance, to have a discussion.

Yeah...Mr Judgemental and his overbearing judgments.

Be pronouncing nonsense judgements on my character. Joker

Muttleylaff, maximus69, all these fake Christians, ^^^^ that's how you predict the future, Pastor Grimm Joe put your offering here.

MuttleyLaff:
There is a colloquial that says, a fool and his money soon will part. So nothing surprising nor new under the heavens on this

A christian fool at that.

MuttleyLaff:
There is a colloquial that says, a fool and his money soon will part. So nothing surprising nor new under the heavens on this

Admit it your impressed.

MacCantStopMe:
Yeah...Mr Judgemental and his overbearing judgments.

Be pronouncing nonsense judgements on my character. Joker

Do leopards change their spots. Need I say more? Need I go on?

GRIMMJOE:
Admit it your impressed.

Why should I? Give me two to three reasons why I would be impressed by such ignorance? Are you codely trying to insult me with this ni ?

MuttleyLaff:
Do leopards change their spots. Need I say more? Need I go on?

That saying is flawed. There are pastors today who were armed robbers before.

MacCantStopMe:
That saying is flawed. There are pastors today who were armed robbers before.

The saying wasn't referring to "pastors today who were armed robbers before" but was to whoever, is on this thread who the cap fits to wear, lol