shadeyinka:

I don't think I understand you!
Who sent who?

MaxInDHouse:
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Your argument will ever remain mere argument unless it's taking effect!
Without any positive result your argument is worthless!

You don't get it, do you?
I don't care if my argument is worthless.
I'm working with English language before me and not some imaginary explanations.

Imaginary : when you read or watch Spiderman, Hulk, Flash or Superman in a make-believe movie and you perfectly understood everything but you can't find what you read or saw in the movies taking effect anywhere!

Reality : when you can't grasp Chinese language yet Chui Wei Chan's seeming gibberish is WORKING out what's truly benefitial everywhere you go!

Jman24:

You don't get it, do you?
I don't care if my argument is worthless.
I'm working with English language before me and not some imaginary explanations.

shadeyinka:

I don't think I understand you!
Who sent who?

Who sent jesus?....

sonmvayina:


Who sent jesus?....

The Father sent Jesus!

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shadeyinka:

Thanks for your response!

I have no intention of using it against you. I just wanted us to be on the same page.

Now, suppose either:
1. I was eaten up by 20 lions
2. I told my people not to bury me so that I don't have a grave and that they should burn me to smokes in a furnace
3. I told my people to put my corpse in a freezer for a thousand years
4. I told my people not to bury me nor leave my side so that because of their presence, the angels wouldn't be able to ask any questions etc

If I did these So that I can escape the torment of the grave, can I escape the questioning of the two Angels?

No only the dead can see see the angels when questioning starts in fact some people see angels when they are about to die while people around them don't see it yet they won't be able to say out what they saw but from their reaction one will know they are seeing something strange. Even when one is in the burial ground one will still decay.... wherever one is buried is its grave...


"And I swear by the reproaching soul [to the certainty of resurrection]."
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 2)


"Does man think that We will not assemble his bones?"
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 3)

"Yes. [We are] Able [even] to proportion his fingertips."
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 4)


"Had he not been a sperm from semen emitted?"
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 37)


"Then he was a clinging clot, and [Allah] created [his form] and proportioned [him]"
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 38)


"And made of him two mates, the male and the female."
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 39)


"Is not that [Creator] Able to give life to the dead?"
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 40)


"Or [consider such an example] as the one who passed by a township which had fallen into ruin. He said, How will Allah bring this to life after its death? So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years; then He revived him. He said, How long have you remained? The man said, I have remained a day or part of a day. He said, Rather, you have remained one hundred years. Look at your food and your drink; it has not changed with time. And look at your donkey; and We will make you a sign for the people. And look at the bones [of this donkey] - how We raise them and then We cover them with flesh. And when it became clear to him, he said, I know that Allah is over all things competent."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 259)

"And, mention, when Abraham said, ‘My Lord show me how You give life to the dead,’ He, God, exalted be He, said, to him, ‘Why, do you not believe?’, in My power to revive; God asks him this even though He knows of his belief in this [power], as a response to his request, and so that the ones listening will know the purpose [of the request]; ‘Yes,’, I do believe, he said, ‘but, I ask You, so that my heart may be re-assured’, [so that it may be] at peace, through direct vision, in addition to that [certainty] which is sought through logical reasoning. Said He, ‘Take four birds, and twist them to you (sirhunna, or surhunna), turn them towards you, cut them up and mix together their flesh and feathers, then set a part of them on every hill, in the land around you, then summon them, to you, and they will come to you in haste. And know that God is Mighty, that nothing is beyond Him, Wise’, in His actions. Abraham took a peacock, an eagle, a raven and a cock and did with them as has been mentioned, but kept their heads with him. He called them, and all the parts began to fly back together, combining until they were whole and returning to their heads."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 260)

haekymbahd:
No only the dead can see see the angels when questioning starts in fact some people see angels when they are about to die while people around them don't see it yet they won't be able to say out what they saw but from their reaction one will know they are seeing something strange. Even when one is in the burial ground one will still decay.... wherever one is buried is its grave...


"And I swear by the reproaching soul [to the certainty of resurrection]."
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 2)


"Does man think that We will not assemble his bones?"
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 3)

"Yes. [We are] Able [even] to proportion his fingertips."
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 4)


"Had he not been a sperm from semen emitted?"
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 37)


"Then he was a clinging clot, and [Allah] created [his form] and proportioned [him]"
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 38)


"And made of him two mates, the male and the female."
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 39)


"Is not that [Creator] Able to give life to the dead?"
(QS. Al-Qiyaama 75: Verse 40)


"Or [consider such an example] as the one who passed by a township which had fallen into ruin. He said, How will Allah bring this to life after its death? So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years; then He revived him. He said, How long have you remained? The man said, I have remained a day or part of a day. He said, Rather, you have remained one hundred years. Look at your food and your drink; it has not changed with time. And look at your donkey; and We will make you a sign for the people. And look at the bones [of this donkey] - how We raise them and then We cover them with flesh. And when it became clear to him, he said, I know that Allah is over all things competent."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 259)

"And, mention, when Abraham said, ‘My Lord show me how You give life to the dead,’ He, God, exalted be He, said, to him, ‘Why, do you not believe?’, in My power to revive; God asks him this even though He knows of his belief in this [power], as a response to his request, and so that the ones listening will know the purpose [of the request]; ‘Yes,’, I do believe, he said, ‘but, I ask You, so that my heart may be re-assured’, [so that it may be] at peace, through direct vision, in addition to that [certainty] which is sought through logical reasoning. Said He, ‘Take four birds, and twist them to you (sirhunna, or surhunna), turn them towards you, cut them up and mix together their flesh and feathers, then set a part of them on every hill, in the land around you, then summon them, to you, and they will come to you in haste. And know that God is Mighty, that nothing is beyond Him, Wise’, in His actions. Abraham took a peacock, an eagle, a raven and a cock and did with them as has been mentioned, but kept their heads with him. He called them, and all the parts began to fly back together, combining until they were whole and returning to their heads."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 260)

I love the fact that you backed up your points with relevant hadiths.

Now, the next question. Do the angels need to resurrect the dead person physically before the two angels Munkar and Nakir are able to ask the dead person these questions? (Considering that a person may be eaten by 20 hyenas or burnt to smokes)
OR
The angels have the power to speak to the dead with or without the presence of his physical body?

haekymbahd:
Jesus had the chance to establish trinity but yet he still accept a Jews concept of pure monotheism which contradicts christians belief today... It would have been better if he had told the Jew that he was God himself...

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

30And you shall love the Lord your God [i]out of and with your whole heart and out of and with all your soul (your [j]life) and out of and with all your mind (with [k]your faculty of thought and your moral understanding) and out of and with all your strength. [l]This is the first and principal commandment.(E)

31The second is like it and is this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.(F)

32 And the scribe said to Him, Excellently and fitly and admirably answered, Teacher! You have said truly that He is One, and there is no other but Him;

33 And to love Him out of and with all the heart and with all the understanding [with the [m]faculty of quick apprehension and intelligence and keenness of discernment] and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. [I Sam. 15:22; Hos. 6:6; Mic. 6:6-8; Heb. 10:8.]

34And when Jesus saw that he answered intelligently (discreetly and [n]having his wits about him), He said to him, You are not far from the kingdom of God. And after that no one ventured or dared to ask Him any further question.



Question: When Jesus said the Jew answered intelligently what concept of God do you think that particular scribe believed in at that moment that Jesus affirmed to it.... Is it Trinity or pure monotheism as believed by Jews today?

Actually, you made no sense.

The Messiah did not deny the fact that he is God by that response.

What was the scribe's question?

elated177:


Actually, you made no sense.

The Messiah did not deny the fact that he is God by that response.

What was the scribe's question?

Well I was asking for the scribe view of God when Jesus said he answered intelligently is it trinity or strict monotheism as Jews believe today because he was a Jew they didn't ask any question neither did Jesus clarify things that was because their view matched each other...

Did that particular scribe have the believe that Jesus was the God?

mark 12

32 And the scribe said to Him, Excellently and fitly and admirably answered, Teacher! You have said truly that He is One, and there is no other but Him;

shadeyinka:

I love the fact that you backed up your points with relevant hadiths.

Now, the next question. Do the angels need to resurrect the dead person physically before the two angels Munkar and Nakir are able to ask the dead person these questions? (Considering that a person may be eaten by 20 hyenas or burnt to smokes)
OR
The angels have the power to speak to the dead with or without the presence of his physical body?

Well it is the soul which either bears the punishment or favour of the grave.. Good souls are placed in illiyin and the bad ones in sijjin...

haekymbahd:
Well it is the soul which either bears the punishment or favour of the grave.. Good souls are placed in illiyin and the bad ones in sijjin...

It seems as if the soul answers for the deeds of the body isn't it?
Can the soul say he didn't commit adultery but it is the body that did it.

I am sure you'll agree with me that the complete destruction of the body does not prevent these two angels from doing the needful.

In that sense, with what ear will the dead hear the angels?
With what mouth with the dead respond to the angels?
With what body would the dead experience both torment or bliss as the case may be?

If you would be truthful, it seems like every human being possess at least two personalities:
1. The physical person (the us that is known on earth)
2. The non physical person (Ruh) (the us that is known by God and the Angels)
and both of them seems to be the same single person.

So, the Ruh has ears, mouth, body, feelings etc.

The Ruh of a man answers for the evil that the physical person did on earth without complaints.
In Hell fire, the physical body answers for the evil conceived by the Ruh.

In other words, even though the body and the Ruh have different attributes, they are essentially one and the same person.

With this, I believe you understand the concept of DUALITY of Human Beings.

However, the bible teaches that human beings are Trinities comprising:
A Body: Physical Identity
A Soul: Internal/Self Identity
A Spirit: Spiritual Identity

The three is One and the same Person. If you can understand the Duality of man not like making 1+1=2, then you can understand what Trinity means.

About God as Trinity:
God is the Father: who plans and wills everything into being
God is the Word: who spoke by command everything into being
God is the Spirit: who brought by power everything into being

Of course, God doesn't have a mouth like you and me. He doesn't need a mouth to speak.

.
John 1:1-5:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in [the] beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one [thing] came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it."

John 1:14: "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of [the] Father, full of grace and of truth."

If you have any questions, God willing I will attempt it.

Is the duality of man confusing?
Does the duality of man contradict his oneness?
How can man be visible and invisible?
How can the physical man do evil but man's soul pay the price?

Salaam Aleikum!

shadeyinka:

The Father sent Jesus!

Lol...who is the father? Joseph....?

To come and do what?...change the laws God has set for mankind??

sonmvayina:



Lol...who is the father? Joseph....?

To come and do what?...change the laws God has set for mankind??

John 6:44:
"No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 20:21:
"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be to you: as my Father has sent me, even so send I you."

shadeyinka:


John 6:44:
"No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 20:21:
"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be to you: as my Father has sent me, even so send I you."

This is the problem i have with christians and christianity..you are using the new testament to proove the new testament..

Amos 3:7 says God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet.
Which prophet did God reveal that he was sending his son before he sent him....

sonmvayina:



This is the problem i have with christians and christianity..you are using the new testament to proove the new testament..

Amos 3:7 says God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet.
Which prophet did God reveal that he was sending his son before he sent him....

Prophet sonmvayina!

Argue with yourself!

shadeyinka:

Prophet sonmvayina!

Argue with yourself!

I have been saying that jesus is just a roman creation. That makes him an idol. Are you not concerned that you are commiting idolatry. A sin that God hates? God has got nothing to do with jesus.

He is just a fictional character...

shadeyinka:

It seems as if the soul answers for the deeds of the body isn't it?
Can the soul say he didn't commit adultery but it is the body that did it.

I am sure you'll agree with me that the complete
However, the bible teaches that human beings are Trinities comprising:
A Body: Physical Identity
A Soul: Internal/Self Identity
A Spirit: Spiritual Identity

The three is One and the same Person. If you can understand the Duality of man not like making 1+1=2, then you can understand what Trinity means.

About God as Trinity:
God is the Father: who plans and wills everything into being
God is the Word: who spoke by command everything into being
God is the Spirit: who brought by power everything into being

Of course, God doesn't have a mouth like you and me. He doesn't need a mouth to speak.

.

Since Jesus is called the "word of God" how was God able to say this while Jesus was on earth

Mathew 17:5
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a shining cloud [[b]composed of light] overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, This is My Son, My Beloved, with Whom I am [and [c]have always been] delighted. Listen to Him!(A)

Mathew 3:17
17 And behold, a voice from heaven said, This is My Son, My Beloved, in Whom I delight!(C)


Was word part of God from the beginning or a sperate entity on its own... and how did it became flesh is it that God said "Be and it is" and word became flesh Jesus or was it a sperate entity different from the Father at beginning and later became Flesh...

What I mean is that is Jesus one of the numerous "word from God" which means God can speak independent of Jesus or "Word of God" which means God is dependent on Jesus to speak...

haekymbahd:
Since Jesus is called the "word of God" how was God able to say this while Jesus was on earth

Mathew 17:5
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a shining cloud [[b]composed of light] overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, This is My Son, My Beloved, with Whom I am [and [c]have always been] delighted. Listen to Him!(A)

Mathew 3:17
17 And behold, a voice from heaven said, This is My Son, My Beloved, in Whom I delight!(C)


Was word part of God from the beginning or a sperate entity on its own... and how did it became flesh is it that God said "Be and it is" and word became flesh Jesus or was it a sperate entity different from the Father at beginning and later became Flesh...

What I mean is that is Jesus one of the numerous "word from God" which means God can speak independent of Jesus or "Word of God" which means God is dependent on Jesus to speak...

sonmvayina:


I have been saying that jesus is just a roman creation. That makes him an idol. Are you not concerned that you are commiting idolatry. A sin that God hates? God has got nothing to do with jesus.

He is just a fictional character...

Exactly. When you study the genealogy of Jesus very well, you would see how very confused they were and how they tried so heard to link him up to the kingship of David just to be qualified the name Messiah. But it didn't work out well

Really pathetic!

The Churchgoers are helpless since they can only read the Bible and start arguing with nothing to show for it!

Ó mà seo!

Jman24:

Exactly. When you study the genealogy of Jesus very well, you would see how very confused they were and how they tried so heard to link him up to the kingship of David just to be qualified the name Messiah. But it didn't work out well

For your information David's rule was only within the boarders of Israel and even within he still had rebels trying to overthrow him.
But what about Jesus?
Well he's having well over 8,700,000 people in different geographical locations with various skin colour and languages throughout the earth today!

©They have vowed never to raise up weapons against anyone no matter what! Matthew 26:52

©They are zealously preaching and industriously teaching from house to house and door to door! Matthew 10:11-13

©They have LOVE among themselves that even critics often testify to it! John 13:34-34

©They have the same line of thought regarding standard! John 17:17, 20-23

If all these is happening after almost 2,000 years that Jesus walked this earth but you are saying he's just a fictional character i wonder if you can prove the existence of any ruler in human history whose words still takes effect thousands of years in his absence! Act 1:8

MaxInDHouse:
Really pathetic!

The Churchgoers are helpless since they can only read the Bible and start arguing with nothing to show for it!

Ó mà seo!




For your information David's rule was only within the boarders of Israel and even within he still had rebels trying to overthrow him.
But what about Jesus?
Well he's having well over 8,700,000 people in different geographical locations with various skin colour and languages throughout the earth today!

©They have vowed never to raise up weapons against anyone no matter what! Matthew 26:52

©They are zealously preaching and industriously teaching from house to house and door to door! Matthew 10:11-13

©They have LOVE among themselves that even critics often testify to it! John 13:34-34

©They have the same line of thought regarding standard! John 17:17, 20-23

If all these is happening after almost 2,000 years that Jesus walked this earth but you are saying he's just a fictional character i wonder if you can prove the existence of any ruler in human history whose words still takes effect thousands of years in his absence! Act 1:8

Funny max.
When you bring facts on the table, he starts off with conjectures and ends with a smile

Jman24:

Funny max.
When you bring facts on the table, he starts off with conjectures and ends with a smile

Continue dinning and winning with misinformed Churchgoers on the same table of hopelessness and uncertainty.
We will SHOW you FACTS nobody can refute {James 2:18-26} because all eyes can SEE it happening! Matthew 5:13-16
Go ahead and present the evidence of whatever you're saying. Our own is not hidden, all eyes can SEE Jesus' glory in the midst of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Revelations 1:7

MaxInDHouse:


Continue dinning and winning with misinformed Churchgoers on the same table of hopelessness and uncertainty.
We will SHOW you FACTS nobody can refute {James 2:18-26} because all eyes can SEE it happening! Matthew 5:13-16
Go ahead and present the evidence of whatever you're saying. Our own is not hidden, all eyes can SEE Jesus' glory in the midst of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Revelations 1:7

Max max
I heard you guys don't pray before preaching. Has anything changed?

You always disappear each time you notice me, but what happens this time around?

Well you asked a question!

It's a CRIME/SIN/EVIL on our part to pray with anyone who is not our member in our first time of meeting. That's why we will rather take our leave if you insist on prayer first!

Jman24:

Max max
I heard you guys don't pray before preaching. Has anything changed?

Firstly, I hope that your misconceptions about Duality/Trinity is cleared. Duality/Trinity does NOT contradict the ONENESS of a personality.

You are a SINGULAR MAN but yet,
Your Body is YOU
Your Soul(Ruh) is YOU

Only At death do we have a disconnection between your body and Ruh

haekymbahd:
Since Jesus is called the "word of God" how was God able to say this while Jesus was on earth

Jesus was not called the word of God in the bible. It is the Qur'an that labelled Jesus as the word of Allah. Here is what the bible says:

John 1:1-4,9-11,14:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. …
That was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not. … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth."

The Word became Flesh (human) is what the Scriptures say!

haekymbahd:

Mathew 17:5
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a shining cloud [composed of light] overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, This is My Son, My Beloved, with Whom I am [and [c]have always been] delighted. Listen to Him!(A)

Mathew 3:17
17 And behold, a voice from heaven said, This is My Son, My Beloved, in Whom I delight!(C)


Was word part of God from the beginning or a sperate entity on its own... and how did it became flesh is it that God said "Be and it is" and word became flesh Jesus or was it a sperate entity different from the Father at beginning and later became Flesh...

Your question is like saying how come the soul can speak since it doesn't have a physical tongue! But let me answer you directly
a. The Word Himself is God.
[b]John 1:1:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
b. The Word became physical: How?
Just like God can be closer to each one of us than the jugular vein on our necks.


1. God being Omniscient means that He can be fully present EVERYWHERE simultaneously and speak everywhere in space. Is it impossible for God to speak even completely different themes in a million places at the same time?

You seem to misunderstand the fact that
the Father Speaks
the Word Speaks
the Spirit Speaks

The nomenclature Father, Word and Spirit is purely descriptive of the roles of God in creation. Just like Body, Soul and Spirit are descriptives of the roles within the Body

haekymbahd:

What I mean is that is Jesus one of the numerous "word from God" which means God can speak independent of Jesus or "Word of God" which means God is dependent on Jesus to speak...

God is SINGULAR and UNITARY

Just like the Body, Soul and Spirit describes the singular unitary man,
Father, Word and Spirit describes the singular unitary God.

MaxInDHouse:
You always disappear each time you notice me, but what happens this time around?

Well you asked a question!

It's a CRIME/SIN/EVIL on our part to pray with anyone who is not our member in our first time of meeting. That's why we will rather take our leave if you insist on prayer first!

Who made the law for you guys not to pray with a non member on first meeting?

JEHOVAH our own God!

Jman24:

Who made the law for you guys not to pray with a non member on first meeting?

shadeyinka:
Firstly, I hope that your misconceptions about Duality/Trinity is cleared. Duality/Trinity does NOT contradict the ONENESS of a personality.

You are a SINGULAR MAN but yet,
Your Body is YOU
Your Soul(Ruh) is YOU

Only At death do we have a disconnection between your body and Ruh


Jesus was not called the word of God in the bible. It is the Qur'an that labelled Jesus as the word of Allah. Here is what the bible says:

John 1:1-4,9-11,14:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. …
That was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not. … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth."

The Word became Flesh (human) is what the Scriptures say!



Your question is like saying how come the soul can speak since it doesn't have a physical tongue! But let me answer you directly
a. The Word Himself is God.
John 1:1:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
b. The Word became physical: How?
Just like God can be closer to each one of us than the jugular vein on our necks.


1. God being Omniscient means that He can be fully present EVERYWHERE simultaneously and speak everywhere in space. Is it impossible for God to speak even completely different themes in a million places at the same time?

You seem to misunderstand the fact that
the Father Speaks
the Word Speaks
the Spirit Speaks

The nomenclature Father, Word and Spirit is purely descriptive of the roles of God in creation. Just like Body, Soul and Spirit are descriptives of the roles within the Body




God is SINGULAR and UNITARY

Just like the Body, Soul and Spirit describes the singular unitary man,
Father, Word and Spirit describes the singular unitary God.

You are trying to say Jesus and Father are the same entity can you explain Jesus does not know the hour but only the Father if they are the same.

In the beginning did the "word" know the hour but forgot when it became flesh...

John 5
30 I am able to do nothing from Myself [independently, of My own accord--but only as I am taught by God and as I get His orders]. Even as I hear, I judge [I decide as I am bidden to decide. As the voice comes to Me, so I give a decision], and My judgment is right (just, righteous), because I do not seek or consult My own will [I have no desire to do what is pleasing to Myself, My own aim, My own purpose] but only the will and pleasure of the Father Who sent Me.


is Jesus "will" different from the father but he was Just succumbing to the Father's "will" because he was greater that him and he fears his wrath...

haekymbahd:
You are trying to say Jesus and Father are the same entity can you explain Jesus does not know the hour but only the Father if they are the same.

In the beginning did the "word" know the hour but forgot when it became flesh...

A misconception again sir!

Just like the Body, Soul (Ruh) and Spirit of man are not the same entity (even though the same man), so also
The Father, the Word and the Spirit are NOT the same entity (even though the same God).

The Ruh of a man does not eat nor can it carry a bucket of water. The Soul of man is invisible but his body is visible. The Body, Soul and Spirit of a man are just the three simultaneous dimensions of his existence.

The Father, the Word and the Spirit are simultaneous dimensions of the existence of God.

Now to your question relating specifically to Jesus.

Jesus is the physical manifestation of the Word. In that sense, the Word put on the limitations of the Physical Realm.

Jesus could be hungry: the Word cannot!
Jesus could feel pain: the Word cannot
Jesus is not omnipresent: the Word is omnipresent

Phil 2:6-8:
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross."

Let me put it in human perspective for your comprehension!

The Role of the Soul of Man is to Will, Feel Emotions and Decide for the Body. In other words, the soul of man is vested with the authority of knowing and decisions. The Body follows whatever the Soul decided.

But,
The Role of the Body of Man is to execute Physical action s for the Soul. In other words, the body of man is vested with the authority of power over physical things. The Soul can do nothing in the physical realm without the body.


In terms of God,
The role of the Father is to Will and Decide things to be
The role of the Word is to Command things to be
The role of the Spirit is to Execute the Command and thus bring things to be.

Thus the word could rightly say: only the Father knows (for it is the Father who Will and Decide things to be).

John 4:34:
"Jesus said to them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work."

John 6:38:
"For I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me."

John 6:40:
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees the Son, and believes on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

A question:
Who decides whether you will fast or break your fast:
Is it your Soul or your Body?

Is it not true that your body is to do the biddings of your soul(here on earth)?

shadeyinka:

I won't blame you for not understanding this theme you have written on.
Even Allah was confused by saying that Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus!

Can you shed more light on this? What exactly was said and why?

Myer:


Can you shed more light on this? What exactly was said and why?

The Qur'an and Allah says trinity is the partnership of God, Mary and Jesus!


Qur'an5:117
God will say: ‘Jesus Son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind: “Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?”’
‘Glory be to you,’ he will answer, ‘I could never have claimed what I have no right to.’