shadeyinka:

The Qur'an and Allah says trinity is the partnership of God, Mary and Jesus!


Qur'an5:117
God will say: ‘Jesus Son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind: “Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?”’
‘Glory be to you,’ he will answer, ‘I could never have claimed what I have no right to.’

Ok, not that Mohamned believed in Trinity but his perception of Trinity was observed as practised by Catholics.

Thanks for sharing.

haekymbahd:

Can I ask you for your point of view in Islam concerning this

A human being is a Physical Body
Yet
A human being is an invisible Soul(Ruh)

Are there two human beings living simultaneously as a person on earth?
Or
Does a human being simultaneously exist as both a body and a Soul?

Is this a contradiction?

Does this dycotomy have explanation in Islam (can this be used to invalidate the oneness of man)?

Myer:


Ok, not that Mohamned believed in Trinity but his perception of Trinity was observed as practised by Catholics.

Thanks for sharing.

Exactly!
But Mohammeds impression shouldn't matter because Mohamed didn't write the Qur'an. Allah dictated the Qur'an and thus, Allah should NOT be carried away by misconceptions caused by some Catholics.

Even then in reality, Catholics do not see trinity as God, Mary and Jesus. But they venerate Mary so much that one is bound to misconceive that Mary is the Holy Spirit.

Allah should not be wrong even in asking Jesus the question about partnership with God because the doctrine of trinity was not Formalized until years after Christ.

My perception is that Mohammed could be wrong (he is human) but not Allah!

Firstly, Jesus is a fictitious character that never existed.

Assuming anyone has any proof to the contrary,kindly provide them here.

Furthermore, Jews don’t believe in the Jesus character.

All these foreign extremists ideologies are the number causes of psychosis.

There was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ.

The story is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

Amujale:
There was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ.

The story is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

Any person who takes time to study same book knows this

Go and tell them out there that Alexander never walked this earth and see how many will agree with you. As for Jesus JWs across the globe are WITNESSES of the fact {Act 1:8} that there was a Wonderful Counselor {Isaiah 9:6} who taught them how to drop harmful weapons when all the others can't find any tangible reason why they keep killing one another! Isaiah 2:2-4

Jman24:

Any person who takes time to study same book knows this

MaxInDHouse:
Go and tell them out there that Alexander never walked this earth and see how many will agree with you. As for Jesus JWs across the globe are WITNESSES of the fact {Act 1:8} that there was a Wonderful Counselor {Isaiah 9:6} who taught them how to drop harmful weapons when all the others can't find any tangible reason why they keep killing one another! Isaiah 2:2-4

Who also instructed people to bring his enemies and kill them
Luke 19:27

Amujale:
There was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ.

The story is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

It is to me impossible that christ never walked this earth. It is not possible to totally make up such a story, especially the Jesus of Mark's gospel.
Do you have facts to show that it was a completely made up story?

Amujale:
Firstly, Jesus is a fictitious character that never existed.

Assuming anyone has any proof to the contrary,kindly provide them here.

Furthermore, Jews don’t believe in the Jesus character.

All these foreign extremists ideologies arek the number causes of psychosis.

You are the one to prove that the jesus character never existed especially when more than 90% of historians on this matter assert that there was certainly an Original Jesus on whom the four gospels are based on.
Also there's evidence of a religion created in his name just 20 years after he was suppossed to have lived. There was a Paul writing just 20 years after his suppossed death or resurrection as well as contradictory stories all coming 40-60 years after that.

According to the book he will come with angels {Matthew 25:31} so is it the humans who will be separated that will do the judging work or the angels? Matthew 25:46
Just ask us, we will TEACH you what our book says {Matthew 28:20} we will keep our calm while JEHOVAH use Jesus and his angels to do the needful! Exodus 14:14 compare to Isaiah 30:15

Jman24:

Who also instructed people to bring his enemies and kill them
Luke 19:27

MaxInDHouse:
According to the book he will come with angels {Matthew 25:31} so is it the humans who will be separated that will do the judging work or the angels? Matthew 25:46
Just ask us, we will TEACH you what our book says {Matthew 28:20} we will keep our calm while JEHOVAH use Jesus and his angels to do the needful! Exodus 14:14 compare to Isaiah 30:15

According to Luke, you should kill his enemies before him

MaxInDHouse:
According to the book he will come with angels {Matthew 25:31} so is it the humans who will be separated that will do the judging work or the angels? Matthew 25:46
Just ask us, we will TEACH you what our book says {Matthew 28:20} we will keep our calm while JEHOVAH use Jesus and his angels to do the needful! Exodus 14:14 compare to Isaiah 30:15

I know where you are driving at but the context is still not the same. The enemies in Luke will be killed, while in mathew, they will suffer everlasting punishment. It's nothing short of fictional

When he utter that statement he was with his friends who knew him face to face but they never killed anyone before him so why do you think that i who is just reading about him in a book should start killing people now?

So even if there's going to be any killings he must be here in person to point, present, show, tell, direct the executioners to his enemies before they can kill anyone before him!

Jman24:

According to Luke, you should kill his enemies before him

The everlasting punishment is another topic that you need to learn before you can grasp it's meaning, but whether you avail yourself to learn or not millions have vowed to be his disciples and live their lives for him, you worth noting more than mere dust {Genesis 3:19} so you can keep your soul to yourself! Matthew 10:28

Jman24:

I know where you are driving at but the context is still not the same. The enemies in Luke will be killed, while in mathew, they will suffer everlasting punishment. It's nothing short of fictional

MaxInDHouse:
The everlasting punishment is another topic that you need to learn before you can grasp it's meaning, but whether you avail yourself to learn or not millions have vowed to be his disciples and live their lives for him, you worth noting more than mere dust {Genesis 3:19} so you can keep your soul to yourself! Matthew 10:28

Another avenue to add one and two as usual

Butter kìí se oúnje lágídò.
It's FAITH, not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

Jman24:

Another avenue to add one and two as usual

MaxInDHouse:
Butter kìí se oúnje lágídò.
It's FAITH, not a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

What a foreigner told a Nigerian friend
Is that Yoruba dialect?

As you're also typing in African dialect!

Jman24:

What a foreigner told a Nigerian friend
Is that Yoruba dialect?

MaxInDHouse:
As you're also typing in African dialect!

Simple question. Is that Yoruba.? Before you turn this one too to those abstract stuff

shadeyinka:

Exactly!
But Mohammeds impression shouldn't matter because Mohamed didn't write the Qur'an. Allah dictated the Qur'an and thus, Allah should NOT be carried away by misconceptions caused by some Catholics.

Even then in reality, Catholics do not see trinity as God, Mary and Jesus. But they venerate Mary so much that one is bound to misconceive that Mary is the Holy Spirit.

Allah should not be wrong even in asking Jesus the question about partnership with God because the doctrine of trinity was not Formalized until years after Christ.

My perception is that Mohammed could be wrong (he is human) but not Allah!

You don't expect any Muslim to believe you on that verse, do you?

You have to first believe in Allah, before you can quote Him, rightly.
Here you are, telling us that you know better than Allah. Sad!

Anyways, that verse isn't about trinity as you know it, but 'Shriek' as Islam defines it.

There are Christians who worship Mary or Jesus or both. If you don't know this, Allah knows.

Those who seek the intercession of Mary or Jesus in particular are the once concerned in that verse.
Allah is telling them how Jesus will be called upon on the day of 'Assembly' to testify against their false worship and belief.

Compare:
[5:72] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ہُوَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ ؕ وَ قَالَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ یٰبَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ اعۡبُدُوا اللّٰہَ رَبِّیۡ وَ رَبَّکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّہٗ مَنۡ یُّشۡرِکۡ بِاللّٰہِ فَقَدۡ حَرَّمَ اللّٰہُ عَلَیۡہِ الۡجَنَّۃَ وَ مَاۡوٰىہُ النَّارُ ؕ وَ مَا لِلظّٰلِمِیۡنَ مِنۡ اَنۡصَارٍ ﴿۷۲﴾

In fact, they have become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah, the son of Maryam (Mary),’ whereas the Messiah (himself) said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, Who is my (as well as) your Lord.’ Indeed, Allah has forbidden Paradise to him who associates partners with Him. And Hell is his abode and the wrongdoers will not find any helpers.

[5:73] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ثَالِثُ ثَلٰثَۃٍ ۘ وَ مَا مِنۡ اِلٰہٍ اِلَّاۤ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ؕ وَ اِنۡ لَّمۡ یَنۡتَہُوۡا عَمَّا یَقُوۡلُوۡنَ لَیَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا مِنۡہُمۡ عَذَابٌ اَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۷۳﴾

Certainly, they (also) become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the third of the three (Gods),’ whereas there is none worthy of worship except the One God. If they do not desist from (the absurdity) which they utter, a grievous punishment will surely torment those of them who disbelieve.

Hebrew!

Jman24:

Simple question. Is that Yoruba.? Before you turn this one too to those abstract stuff

GeneralDae:

You are the one to prove that the jesus character never existed especially when more than 90% of historians on this matter assert that there was certainly an Original Jesus on whom the four gospels are based on.
Also there's evidence of a religion created in his name just 20 years after he was suppossed to have lived. There was a Paul writing just 20 years after his suppossed death or resurrection as well as contradictory stories all coming 40-60 years after that.

You can pass me with all that nonsensical rhetoric and provide us with the proof of your fictional character.

GeneralDae:

It is to me impossible that christ never walked this earth.

Then provide us with the evidence.

It's that's simple.

mhmsadyq:


You don't expect any Muslim to believe you on that verse, do you?

You have to first believe in Allah, before you can quote Him, rightly.
Here you are, telling us that you know better than Allah. Sad!

Your Taqqiya doesn't work one bit with me for I know you Muslims in and out. You are prone to changing the meaning of the Qur'an to suit your deception. Allah was wrong in the Qur'an.

The Qur'an is written in Arabic and translated into other languages such as English language. As long as the Qur'an is written in books made of ink and paper, I don't need to Believe in your Allah to QUOTE what is written and printed by machines.

mhmsadyq:

Anyways, that verse isn't about trinity as you know it, but 'Shriek' as Islam defines it.

There are Christians who worship Mary or Jesus or both. If you don't know this, Allah knows.

It is only liars that will insist that only God knows about what man has done.

Do you know any Christian sect that says Mary and Jesus are partners with God?

mhmsadyq:

Those who seek the intercession of Mary or Jesus in particular are the once concerned in that verse.
Allah is telling them how Jesus will be called upon on the day of 'Assembly' to testify against their false worship and belief.

Compare:
[5:72] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ہُوَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ ؕ وَ قَالَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ یٰبَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ اعۡبُدُوا اللّٰہَ رَبِّیۡ وَ رَبَّکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّہٗ مَنۡ یُّشۡرِکۡ بِاللّٰہِ فَقَدۡ حَرَّمَ اللّٰہُ عَلَیۡہِ الۡجَنَّۃَ وَ مَاۡوٰىہُ النَّارُ ؕ وَ مَا لِلظّٰلِمِیۡنَ مِنۡ اَنۡصَارٍ ﴿۷۲﴾

In fact, they have become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah, the son of Maryam (Mary),’ whereas the Messiah (himself) said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, Who is my (as well as) your Lord.’ Indeed, Allah has forbidden Paradise to him who associates partners with Him. And Hell is his abode and the wrongdoers will not find any helpers.

[5:73] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ثَالِثُ ثَلٰثَۃٍ ۘ وَ مَا مِنۡ اِلٰہٍ اِلَّاۤ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ؕ وَ اِنۡ لَّمۡ یَنۡتَہُوۡا عَمَّا یَقُوۡلُوۡنَ لَیَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا مِنۡہُمۡ عَذَابٌ اَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۷۳﴾

Certainly, they (also) become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the third of the three (Gods),’ whereas there is none worthy of worship except the One God. If they do not desist from (the absurdity) which they utter, a grievous punishment will surely torment those of them who disbelieve.

Check the highlight. This is a misconception of Allah about Trinity.

Is trinity (first god) + (second god) +God?

1. Is this Allah's definition of Trinity?
2. What do you think is the Christians definition of Trinity?

Who clearly has a misconception?

haekymbahd:
Well I was asking for the scribe view of God when Jesus said he answered intelligently is it trinity or strict monotheism as Jews believe today because he was a Jew they didn't ask any question neither did Jesus clarify things that was because their view matched each other...

Did that particular scribe have the believe that Jesus was the God?

mark 12

32 And the scribe said to Him, Excellently and fitly and admirably answered, Teacher! You have said truly that He is One, and there is no other but Him;

The scribe's view of God? Did you not read where he echoed exactly what Yahushua the Messiah stated?

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YHVH our God, YHVH is one. 5 Love YHVH your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

Did the Messiah mention three gods? What sort of question is that? You just read where he stated that YHVH our God is one. YHVH Almighty is one God. The scribe understood very well what the Messiah meant, since he was familiar with Deuteronomy 6:4.

Did the scribe come to find out whether the Messiah is God?

According to my Scriptures, the Creator of heaven and earth, YHVH Almighty, is one. He is not three or four or five gods. He is one. He has his Word. He has his Spirit(Power). His Word and his Spirit are in him and he is in his Word and in his Spirit. He can't be separated from his Word and his Spirit. He is his Word and his Word is him. He is his Spirit and his Spirit is him. The Spirit of YHVH Almighty is YHVH Almighty. The Word of YHVH Almighty is YHVH Almighty. The Word of YHVH Almighty is his begotten Son, Yahushua the Messiah. The Father, his Word - his Son - and his Spirit (Power) are one. So, I worship one God, just as my Scriptures have stated and not three gods.

The Word of God Almighty is God Almighty. The Spirit of God Almighty is God Almighty. These I have come to understand from my Scriptures.

Revelation 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

I don't know why blacks are so backward when talking about their intellect!
First of all everyone knew from history that great nations like Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Greece, Rome and England have dominate a large part of this planet at one time or another before America, and each certainly left a mark that has remained in the way things are done on this planet globally till today. But for just one out of all these ancient world powers to fabricate a fictional character so lofty to the extent that all other world powers before them were caught unaware and swept away with such fiction is a miracle much greater than all the miracles ever recorded in the Bible!
Who else could have start arguing that publicly if not a black man with black brain?
This is why blacks will never come out of the shackles of domination under the white forever, because 99% of our people are driven by rumours instead of facts.
Granted, some white politicians travelled round the world to colonize other nations using various tactics but never has any fictional character had such a great influence on people throughout the globe!
What this black brain Amujale guy is disputing is so funny that one could ask him if Jesus' story is truly based on fiction do you think it will also affect great nations on this planet? Is it only black nations that believe in Jesus? Do you think all those white men from other continents are also stupid to have fallen for a fictional character?

At least one needs to plan well on a strategy if you truly want to succeed. In the military we have various forms of war strategy and psychological warfare is the most effective when dealing with a formidable force.

We all know that there is modern day slavery tactics the white is using to dominate blacks till now but with this form of fight back the blacks will forever continue to loose!

GeneralDae:

You are the one to prove that the jesus character never existed especially when more than 90% of historians on this matter assert that there was certainly an Original Jesus on whom the four gospels are based on.
Also there's evidence of a religion created in his name just 20 years after he was suppossed to have lived. There was a Paul writing just 20 years after his suppossed death or resurrection as well as contradictory stories all coming 40-60 years after that.

Amujale:


You can pass me with all that nonsensical rhetoric and provide us with the proof of your fictional character.

I have given you the evidence already.
You don't find people having multiple stories and building a new religon in just 20 years after the death of a non existent character. That's good evidence right there.
Paul existed and wrote about a dispute with peter in A.D 48, in his letter to the Galatians. He is bitter and tries to exonerate himself over events that happened shortly between him and the Jewish church in Jerusalem. This is just about 20 years after jesus. It speaks of a peter the disciple of Jesus(whom he had conflict with), and James the brother of Jesus. If there was no Jesus, Peter, James, John, this would make no sense because to the Galatians then, the letter would be nothing but gibberish.
This is a strong reason why it is more likely that Jesus existed. Can you argue with this? Give me facts pls, not just hand waving dismissal.
When you accuse the author of Galatians of writing fiction, then the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence why you think this letter is fiction.

elated177:



The scribe's view of God? Did you not read where he echoed exactly what Yahushua the Messiah stated?

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YHVH our God, YHVH is one. 5 Love YHVH your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

Did the Messiah mention three gods? What sort of question is that? You just read where he stated that YHVH our God is one. YHVH Almighty is one God. The scribe understood very well what the Messiah meant, since he was familiar with Deuteronomy 6:4.

Did the scribe come to find out whether the Messiah is God?

According to my Scriptures, the Creator of heaven and earth, YHVH Almighty, is one. He is not three or four or five gods. He is one. He has his Word. He has his Spirit(Power). His Word and his Spirit are in him and he is in his Word and in his Spirit. He can't be separated from his Word and his Spirit. He is his Word and his Word is him. He is his Spirit and his Spirit is him. The Spirit of YHVH Almighty is YHVH Almighty. The Word of YHVH Almighty is YHVH Almighty. The Word of YHVH Almighty is his begotten Son, Yahushua the Messiah. The Father, his Word - his Son - and his Spirit (Power) are one. So, I worship one God, just as my Scriptures have stated and not three gods.



The Word of God Almighty is God Almighty. The Spirit of God Almighty is God Almighty. These I have come to understand from my Scriptures.

Revelation 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

Yahwe is also in you and every other believer of Christ does that make you all God.

Matthew 23:8-12

King James Version

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Mark 10
44 And whoever wishes to be most important and first in rank among you must be slave of all.

45 For even the Son of Man came not to have service rendered to Him, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for ([y]instead of) many.



Christians do call Jesus "master Jesus" while Jesus had said no one should call him master because he also serves someone else.. If the Father wishes to be important must he become slave of men...

Also Christians when trying to prove divinity of Christ always quote proverb 8 which shows that Jesus was created first by God before other things.. Jesus was also a part of creation by God...

Proverbs 8
22 The Lord formed and brought me [Wisdom] forth at the beginning of His way, before His acts of old.

23 I [Wisdom] was inaugurated and ordained from everlasting, from the beginning, before ever the earth existed.(G)

29 When He gave to the sea its limit and His decree that the waters should not transgress [across the boundaries set by] His command, when He appointed the foundations of the earth--(I)

30Then I [Wisdom] was [a]beside Him as a master and director of the work; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing before Him always,(J)

if you also believed that verse was talking about Jesus how was the "word" formed...

According to proverb 8 vs 30 Jesus was beside God and not in God as a worker (messenger) and not Him...

isaiah 43

10You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know Me, believe Me and remain steadfast to Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.

11I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.

if Jesus was formed after or by the Lord then he is not God

Allah SWT said:


"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

haekymbahd:

Yahwe is also in you and every other believer of Christ does that make you all God.

Matthew 23:8-12

King James Version

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Mark 10
44 And whoever wishes to be most important and first in rank among you must be slave of all.

45 For even the Son of Man came not to have service rendered to Him, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for ([y]instead of) many.



Christians do call Jesus "master Jesus" while Jesus had said no one should call him master because he also serves someone else.. If the Father wishes to be important must he become slave of men...

Also Christians when trying to prove divinity of Christ always quote proverb 8 which shows that Jesus was created first by God before other things.. Jesus was also a part of creation by God...

Proverbs 8
22 The Lord formed and brought me [Wisdom] forth at the beginning of His way, before His acts of old.

23 I [Wisdom] was inaugurated and ordained from everlasting, from the beginning, before ever the earth existed.(G)

29 When He gave to the sea its limit and His decree that the waters should not transgress [across the boundaries set by] His command, when He appointed the foundations of the earth--(I)

30Then I [Wisdom] was [a]beside Him as a master and director of the work; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing before Him always,(J)

if you also believed that verse was talking about Jesus how was the "word" formed...

According to proverb 8 vs 30 Jesus was beside God and not in God as a worker (messenger) and not Him...

isaiah 43

10You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know Me, believe Me and remain steadfast to Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.

11I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.

if Jesus was formed after or by the Lord then he is not God

Allah SWT said:


"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, Three; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

I didn't really come for a debate. You asked some questions and I have answered.

Are you getting satisfaction in your religion? Is your religion giving you joy and satisfaction? If you are getting satisfaction from your religion, if your religion is giving you joy and satisfaction, then hold on to what you have. If you are convinced you are on the right path, then stick to and with your Quran and what it says. You don't need any validation from me.

My relationship with my Father in heaven and his Word, his begotten Son, Yahushua the Messiah, gives me joy and satisfaction through his Set-apart Spirit in me. I will hold on to what I have. I am convinced that I am on the right path and, therefore, I will stick to and with my Scriptures and what they say. I don't need any validation from you.

Don't you agree?

The highlighted is not the voice of man but that of God's Holy Spirit!

Because satisfaction in worship can only come from pure worship initiated by the one and only true God! Luke 11:28; Psalms 1:1-2, 119:2; James 1:25

True joy comes from satisfaction and lasting happiness comes from knowing full well that you are practicing pure worship! Luke 10:17-20

elated177:


I didn't really come for a debate. You asked some questions and I have answered.

Are you getting satisfaction in your religion? Is your religion giving you joy and satisfaction? If you are getting satisfaction from your religion, if your religion is giving you joy and satisfaction, then hold on to what you have. If you are convinced you are on the right path, then stick to and with your Quran and what it says. You don't need any validation from me.

My relationship with my Father in heaven and his Word, his begotten Son, Yahushua the Messiah, gives me joy and satisfaction through his Set-apart Spirit in me. I will hold on to what I have. I am convinced that I am on the right path and, therefore, I will stick to and with my Scriptures and what they say. I don't need any validation from you.

Don't you agree?

shadeyinka:

Your Taqqiya doesn't work one bit with me for I know you Muslims in and out. You are prone to changing the meaning of the Qur'an to suit your deception. Allah was wrong in the Qur'an.

The Qur'an is written in Arabic and translated into other languages such as English language. As long as the Qur'an is written in books made of ink and paper, I don't need to Believe in your Allah to QUOTE what is written and printed by machines.


It is only liars that will insist that only God knows about what man has done.

Do you know any Christian sect that says Mary and Jesus are partners with God?




Check the highlight. This is a misconception of Allah about Trinity.

Is trinity (first god) + (second god) +God?

1. Is this Allah's definition of Trinity?
2. What do you think is the Christians definition of Trinity?

Who clearly has a misconception?

You enjoy circus!

You can keep saying the same thing forever. I am too busy for that.

I am here to put the correct perspective of Islam on any issue I feel strongly about, which i do whenever i see one and i did to your post.

You are not competent to interpret the Qur'an, though you may read it either in Arabic or English or both.
You can only ask questions on any part of its content you have a problem with and there are hundreds of Muslims on this forum that can assist you.

Trinity in Islam is 'Shriek' even if the entities involved are: Angels, gods, idols, prophets, mothers of God, sons of God, etc.
This is simply the Islamic Shari ah.