gregyboy:





Ologbo is mixed by edo indigenes and Itsekiri, the itsekiri people settled in Ologbo for trade during precolonial times they were the middle men between Binis and the Europeans, so settling in an edo land does not equate ownership to such lands, and bwfore now, it has always been enogie ruling Ologbo, and not an iyasere, so i would rather culture is maintained and not rather altered with western politics


When you want to be civil and give them their own ruler then we wilk be face with tribal clashes

Ologbo is already a mess from edo and Itsekiri clashes already


Take your opinion to Delta state, if i wss the oba of benin the itsekiri people in Ologbo will be driven back to Delta state

From what you have written it is obvious that Ologbo belongs to the Itsekiri

Any Culture that calls a group of People TENANTS after 500 years of settlement in a Place and that is threatening to drive them out is desperately faulty and needs a Complete Overhaul it is not done anywhere on Earth.
God himself will fight that Nation .

Even the black Americans who were exported to the US as Slaves are not called Tenants they have long become American Citizens.

From what you wrote alone it is obvious Ologbo belongs to Itsekiri.

If it were not so they would have been Edonised by now both in Language and Culture, by now the Ologbo Itsekiri would have been speaking Edo and bearing Edo names.

500 years ago the People of Ogbomosho were Baribas it didn’t take 300 years for them to become completely Yoruba not through War but by everyday interaction with Yorubas.

samuk:



Benin Palace does not agree that the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba descendant, rather, what the Benin Palace says is that the Ooni is a Benin descendant.

IgomigodohadnoPalacelikenedtowhatYorubpeoplebrought to Efa city. So, stop spreading false information because even your present Oba acknowledged that, Oba as a title came from IleIfe. If may ask you:
1.Does it mean IleIfe aristocrats also taught your ancestors Yoruba langage from 1170AD ?

2.Who was on the throne at Ileife when Oramiya came to Igodomigodo?

3. Why was The Ekokpagha treaty clearly defined the status of Ogiamien as aborigine and permanent landlord while the Oba of Benin kingdom as a Yorubaman and a foreigner from Ileife ?

Mind you, the reason why I ask these questions, because you claimed Ooni is from Igodomigodo. Kkindly shed more light.

Christistruth00:


From what you have written it is obvious that Ologbo belongs to the Itsekiri

Any Culture that calls a group of People TENANTS after 500 years of settlement in a Place and that is threatening to drive them out is desperately faulty and needs a Complete Overhaul it is not done anywhere on Earth.
God himself will fight that Nation .

Even the black Americans who were exported to the US as Slaves are not called Tenants they have long become American Citizens.

From what you wrote alone it is obvious Ologbo belongs to Itsekiri.

If it were not so they would have been Edonised by now both in Language and Culture, by now the Ologbo Itsekiri would have been speaking Edo and bearing Edo names.

500 years ago the People of Ogbomosho were Baribas it didn’t take 300 years for them to become completely Yoruba not through War but by everyday interaction with Yorubas.

How long should it take a tenant to become the landlord of a place when the landlord is still very much alive? You mentioned black Americans in USA, are you aware the black despite their population only controls and own about 0.5 percent of American economic and less participation in governance. Even in areas they are allowed to rule, how much of the land belongs to them.

Ologbo belongs to Benin, the Itsekiri have been living there peacefully until recently when one of them who is now facing multiple murders charges wanted to overreach his boundaries and became ungrateful to his benevolent landlord.

Benin of ancient times encourages all within her rule to maintain their various dialects, Benin wasn't interested in forcing a common language on everyone, if they did the entire south would have long be speaking one language before the British came to give you guys voices.

Every land in Nigeria is owned by someone, if you are given a portion of land to settle in, it doesn't gives you the right to appropriate the surrounding areas which was not given to you to yourself, if you want to expand, you can request for more or buy from the landlord.

The Igbos that are now settled in Lagos were not given free lands, they bought them, unless they buy up an entire community they will not become the omonile of that particular part of Lagos, no matter how long they settle there.

The Igbos in Lagos can't just wake up one day and forcefully appropriate an entire area of Lagos to themselves on the account that they have settled there for something and appoint themselves a ruler over that Lagos land.

Ologbo belongs to Edo otherwise it would have been part of Delta state and all lands in Edo south were Ologbo is situated, traditionally belongs to the Oba of Benin which are administered by the various traditional heads appointed in that areas by the Oba of Benin.

gregyboy:



Different pronunciation

Yoruba ia olorgbo
Edo is Ologbo
Ibo nwangbo

This is to show how benin in the ancient past influenced the entire southern Nigeria

Bini is the only tribe that had influenced between Yoruba and ibo, so if there is a similar world for a particular thing between igbo edo Yoruba, then the benin were the one who shared this word to the both tribe through her influence in ancient times

You can find the world in edo subgroup like Urhobo, okpe, esan

I guess i have schooled you enough aboki

Lies and revisionism at its pick! I have never seen a Yoruba man called 'Ologbo' as Olorgbo; there's nothing like 'or' in Yoruba alphabetical combination. Mr Igodomigodo, this shows you don't even have any knowledge of Yoruba language at all. Mind what you and your ilks put online, please.

Christistruth00:


From what you have written it is obvious that Ologbo belongs to the Itsekiri

Any Culture that calls a group of People TENANTS after 500 years of settlement in a Place and that is threatening to drive them out is desperately faulty and needs a Complete Overhaul it is not done anywhere on Earth.
God himself will fight that Nation .

Even the black Americans who were exported to the US as Slaves are not called Tenants they have long become American Citizens.

From what you wrote alone it is obvious Ologbo belongs to Itsekiri.

If it were not so they would have been Edonised by now both in Language and Culture, by now the Ologbo Itsekiri would have been speaking Edo and bearing Edo names.

500 years ago the People of Ogbomosho were Baribas it didn’t take 300 years for them to become completely Yoruba not through War but by everyday interaction with Yorubas.

From what did i write makes you have this conclusion, young man try and always read without tribal goggles, iqould help


This people has been ruled by enogie since they migrated to benin land at Ologbo all a suddenly they want their own ruler, so they can be causing problems we will show them they are tenants

macof:
lol
Stop clowning

At best it is a word inherited from the common language that yoruba, Igbo and Edoid languages evolved from.

Stop trying to laugh out the reality

Logically a word that is common to both igbo amd yoruba or entire southern Nigeria comes from Benin language, they are the only tribe who made contact with vertualy all most all d tribe in Southern Nigeria

You would find out tribes benin didnt have contact with in southern Nigeria dont have similar word for cat to areas benin had contact with

gregyboy:




Stop trying to laugh out the reality

Logically a word that is common to both igbo amd yoruba or entire southern Nigeria comes from Benin language, they are the only tribe who made contact with vertualy all most all d tribe in Southern Nigeria

You would find out tribes benin didnt have contact with in southern Nigeria dont have similar word for cat to areas benin had contact with

Lazy conclusion that is not based on anything.
As I said at best it is a word inherited from the common proto language

macof:

Lazy conclusion that is not based on anything.
As I said at best it is a word inherited from the common proto language

B deceiving yourself there

gregyboy:



From what did i write makes you have this conclusion, young man try and always read without tribal goggles, iqould help


This people has been ruled by enogie since they migrated to benin land at Ologbo all a suddenly they want their own ruler, so they can be causing problems we will show them they are tenants

Liar

The Second Enogie of Ologbo was installed in 2017, which further proves that Ologbo belongs to the Itsekiri.

So you can see you lied again

Even from your first lie Claiming Ologbo Itsekiri were your TENNANTS for 500 years it was already 100% obvious that Ologbo belongs to the Itsekiri.

No Landlord calls a group of People tennants after 500 years , the Ologbo Itsekiri would have already integrated enough in Culture, Language and intermarriage to be called his own People you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between them .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY9sq6acbQM


The Itsekiri have been at Ologbo since the 15th Century., why did you just start imposing Enogie on them ?

Stop the Land grabbing

It will not end well.


Prob 22: 28 NIV

Do not move an ancient boundary stone
set up by your ancestors.

Christistruth00:




Liar

The Second Enogie of Ologbo was installed in 2017, which further proves that Ologbo belongs to the Itsekiri.

So you can see you lied again

Even from your first lie Claiming Ologbo Itsekiri were your TENNANTS for 500 years it was already 100% obvious that Ologbo belongs to the Itsekiri.

No Landlord calls a group of People tennants after 500 years , the Ologbo Itsekiri would have already integrated enough in Culture, Language and intermarriage to be called his own People you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between them .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY9sq6acbQM


The Itsekiri have been at Ologbo since the 15th Century., why did you just start imposing Enogie on them ?

Stop the Land grabbing

It will not end well.


Prob 22: 28 NIV

Do not move an ancient boundary stone
set up by your ancestors.

Doeant remove the fact the oba controlled ologbo and her environs in ancient past, edotraditions says any boundary around benin must have an enogie who speak the local dialect benin


In the European document itsekiris were referred to as middle men, who settled around water boundaries and serves as middle men for the benins ologbo was regarded as a bini territory by the European controlled by the oba,

During the precolonial times many people settled at ologbo to trade with the Europeans ijaw, itsekiri, European as soon as trade left benin territory to benin river present day Delta state many of this traders left to the benin River to trade with the European for some unknown reason the itsekiri settled and never left


And if the itsekiris had claimed ownership of ologbo in acient oast like they are doing now, it would have been a sorry case,
Because we are now in democratic era so anything goes and tenants can say rubbish

Itskiri in ologbo are migrant in bini land and they should remain like that or they get pushed back to their original home

gregyboy:




Doeant remove the fact the oba controlled ologbo and her environs in ancient past, edotraditions says any boundary around benin must have an enogie who speak the local dialect benin


In the European document itsekiris were referred to as middle men, who settled around water boundaries and serves as middle men for the benins ologbo was regarded as a bini territory by the European controlled by the oba,

During the precolonial times many people settled at ologbo to trade with the Europeans ijaw, itsekiri, European as soon as trade left benin territory to benin river present day Delta state many of this traders left to the benin River to trade with the European for some unknown reason the itsekiri settled and never left


And if the itsekiris had claimed ownership of ologbo in acient oast like they are doing now, it would have been a sorry case,
Because we are now in democratic era so anything goes and tenants can say rubbish

The Ashanti of Ghana once paid tribute to the Alaafin of Oyo after loosing the battle of Atakampe in Togo in 1764.

Today Ashanti are 100% independent

and Alaafin is not dragging their Gold rich Land with them.

Alaafin is also not dragging Land with the Ga tribe of Accra Ghana nor Ewe of Togo and Ghana,they were all once under him.but today their Land is theirs,

Even Porto Novo Capital of Benin Republic and Badagry belonged to the Alaafin of Oyo but today they are fully independent nobody is dragging their God Given Lands

Efewestern:


The Ologbo crisis thou. I've some questions to ask, if you don't mind.

Who owns Ologbo? what language do they speak there? Can any Bini man trace his origin to the village? If no, why will an Enogie be forced on the people because the territory is being occupied by a tiny minority?

If the Iyase commits a crime, he should pay, but does that guarantee the installation of a leader who isn't from the community?

I am replying you because you seem like one who is willing to learn. Ologbo is traditionally an Edo community, in history it is recorded as one of the communities in Benin where the British launched a three pronged attack alongside with sokponba and ughoton. it is a riverine community so you will certainly see them there. But what I am happy about is that the Edos that are fighting over Ologbo are not the ones from the city, they are Edos who are natives of Ologbo and have no where else to call home. They have resided side by side with them. These are Edos whose ancestors has been there for donkey years before they came, were accommodated and settled around the riverine border. It would be arbitrary to call it theirs certainly. it is just like the igbos who are now much in Lagos and are calling Lagos no man's land. To reiterate the ownership, some years ago some laws were made that if you don't have Yoruba in your ssce certificate you can't get admission into state schools in lagos. The enogie you are talking about is from the loins of the Oba of Benin and not any other parts. it is a tradition and norm in Benin that majority of the communities that make up Edo south today are ruled by brothers of several first sons who were sent to other Benin speaking communities to compensate them. It is common to see names like akenzua, eweka, etc, . The fact that the enogie was only recently sent there does not anything, my mother's community just got one, UTOKA. Before now many of these communities that were not so large were ruled directly by the oba of Benin ditto Ologbo, before communities are appointed enogies, the community must be large to some extent in landmass and population too. There are cases where up to ten communities were merged to increase landmass and population like EVBOBANOSA. many of the full Benin speaking communities just got enogies recently too,save for communities like UGO, URHONIGBE AND UDO which are ancient communities and have existed since the time of igodomigodo. it is not enough to say that the enogie was appointed to spite anyone, even if was so it is in order . they are ingrates

Christistruth00:




The Asanti of Ghana once paid tribute to the Alaafin of Oyo after loosing the battle of Atakampe in Togo in 1764.

Today Ashanti are 100% independent

and Alaafin is not dragging their Gold rich Land with them.

Alaafin is also not dragging Land with the Ga tribe of Accra Ghana nor Ewe of Togo and Ghana,they were all once under him.but today their Land is theirs,

Even Porto Novo Capital of Benin Republic and Badagry belonged to the Alaafin of Oyo but today they are fully independent nobody is dragging their God Given Lands

The Alaafin of Oyo once paid tributes to Benin, is Benin dragging land with the Alaafin of Oyo?

samuk:


The Alaafin of Oyo once paid tributes to Benin , is Benin dragging land with the Alaafin of Oyo?

lol these Bini miscreants no go kill person with laugh

Christistruth00:




The Asanti of Ghana once paid tribute to the Alaafin of Oyo after loosing the battle of Atakampe in Togo in 1764.

Today Ashanti are 100% independent

and Alaafin is not dragging their Gold rich Land with them.

Alaafin is also not dragging Land with the Ga tribe of Accra Ghana nor Ewe of Togo and Ghana,they were all once under him.but today their Land is theirs,

Even Porto Novo Capital of Benin Republic and Badagry belonged to the Alaafin of Oyo but today they are fully independent nobody is dragging their God Given Lands

The whole of east yoruba was once under Benin and Benin is not dragging land with them..

Christistruth00:




The Asanti of Ghana once paid tribute to the Alaafin of Oyo after loosing the battle of Atakampe in Togo in 1764.

Today Ashanti are 100% independent

and Alaafin is not dragging their Gold rich Land with them.

Alaafin is also not dragging Land with the Ga tribe of Accra Ghana nor Ewe of Togo and Ghana,they were all once under him.but today their Land is theirs,

Even Porto Novo Capital of Benin Republic and Badagry belonged to the Alaafin of Oyo but today they are fully independent nobody is dragging their God Given Lands

This one just they talk nonsense


Am fucking researcher i know the Yoruba history more than you, so you have to becareful when you bring history at me


Oyo never had any relationship with the mentioned countries you brought up there

So they wouldn't understand how history works

Binin empire was brought yo an halt not because it collapse itself but because the British collapse it, so literally the vassal under benin didnt win their autonomy so our traditions still stand


Unlike oyo that collapse itself

gregyboy:



This one just they talk nonsense


Am fucking researcher i know the Yoruba history more than you, so you have to becareful when you bring history at me


Oyo never had any relationship with the mentioned countries you brought up there

So they wouldn't understand how history works

Binin empire was brought yo an halt not because it collapse itself but because the British collapse it, so literally the vassal under benin didnt win their autonomy so our traditions still stand


Unlike oyo that collapse itself

My Ghanaian Ashanti friend has just confirmed that they Lost the Battle of Atakampe to Dahomey and the Yorubas


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Atakpamé

Alba3:


Young man, your royalty in Bini is of Yoruba ancestry, reason Itsekiris picked Ginua in the first place. The person opposing Prince Tsola also has Yoruba mother. It's very easy for Yorubas and Itsekiris to intermarry.

You should be contented with your about 4 LGA in Bini, whose many are also being occupied by Yorubas(who also provide Bini monarchy), Itsekiris(who gave relevance to Bini as kingdom) and Ijaws.

Instead of all this cyber noise, you can also travel down to Warri's palace and remove the new Olu as you're a strong-headed igodomigodo boy...

You will sit in your small ogbomosho and start guessing local government for Benins. ignorant idiot you don't know where the Benins inhabit today are 57.54 % of the landmass of Edo state. you ignorantly think majority of edos speak Yoruba until you come to Benin and you are shocked. There are seven local government in Edo south and in every of these local government, the Benin are still the overwhelming Majority. point to me the Yoruba speaking community in Edo south and I will tell you they are bilingual, I only know of one actually which is USEN,they speak Yoruba only as a second language and they identify as Edos fully. how many communities are itsekiri and ijaws in Edo south, they don't even make up to 5% in Edo south but you guys in your bid to emasculate Benins online, start shouting yoruba, itsekiri and ijaws without proper knowledge of the landmass and status quo on ground. the ijaws in ondo state are more than the ones in Edo, you don't come here to talk about them. you guys talk like if you remove the city from Edo south and the few ijaw villages Edo south is done. You don't know there are other Benin speaking towns and villages which solidifies Benins as not just the owners of Edo south but the overwhelming Majority in Edo state. Today Edo state is synonymous with Benin and Benins Edo state. the ijaws you guys talk about online so much in Edo state are so insignificant that you only get to see one in four years. Edo south with Benins as the owners is about 10700 kilometre2 with seven local government and is bigger than your osun state with 30 local government area in terms of landmass and also in population if not fictitious. Even the otaru of auchi attested in 1996 that Edo south was big enough to stand alone and had wanted a separate state for Esans and afemai people which was to be called the afemesan state if not for anenih that thwarted the plan. numbskulls everywhere. https://www.amicidilazzaro.it/index.php/all-villages-town-and-cities-in-edo-state/ these are villages and towns in Edo south, check up oredo, Egor, ikpoba okha, ovia north east, ovia south west orhiowmon uhuwonde and point your communities there.

davidnazee:


The whole of east yoruba was once under Benin and Benin is not dragging land with them..

Benin was once undisputedly Under Ile Ife and nobody is dragging Benin.

Christistruth00:



Benin was once undisputedly Under Ile Ife and nobody is dragging Benin.

Benin was never under Ife, arguably the stool came from which was also said by our own history that oduduwa is himself from Benin. To come from and to be an imperial power over are two different things

macof:
lol these Bini miscreants no go kill person with laugh

Below is the eyewitness historical evidence. When you are done reading, go and look for your mate to play with.

Anyway, the statement from Clapperton:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

Christistruth00:


My Ghanaian Ashanti friend has just confirmed that they Lost the Battle of Atakampe to Dahomey and the Yorubas


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Atakpamé

Lok, you make me laugh do you know how far Ghana is from Nigeria how oyo army take reach there.. Lol


Oyo army all the way to Ghana... Lol... Wetin dem dey fight for, how dem take know say na oyo people them fight, any European document on such wars, 17c European were already way in Ghana

That is just a mythical tales to draw attention

The people oyo waged on in dahomey was their own Yoruba people who longed migrated to benin republic so when war came within the Yoruba ethnic group they were included as they are Yorubas, they later sought the help of the king of dahomey who later liberated them from the hands of the oyo,

Now the oyo people couldn't even subject the entire dahomans then how did they cross to Ghana without meeting resistance from Togo, Dahomey before they arrived Ghana


When you see cooked up fairytale it is easy to detect unless you are wearing tribal glasses

samuk:


Below is the eyewitness historical evidence. When you are done reading, go and look for your mate to play with.

Anyway, the statement from Clapperton:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq

I thought you said you had eye witness account bloody clowns
An unavailable document from 1911 is your eye witness

gregyboy:



Lok, you make me laugh do you know how far Ghana is from Nigeria how oyo army take reach there.. Lol


Oyo army all the way to Ghana... Lol... Wetin dem dey fight for, how dem take know say na oyo people them fight, any European document on such wars, 17c European were already way in Ghana

That is just a mythical tales to draw attention

The people oyo waged on in dahomey was their own Yoruba people who longed migrated to benin republic so when war came within the Yoruba ethnic group they were included as they are Yorubas, they later sought the help of the king of dahomey who later liberated them from the hands of the oyo,

Now the oyo people couldn't even subject the entire dahomans then how did they cross to Ghana without meeting resistance from Togo, Dahomey before they arrived Ghana


When you see cooked up fairytale it is easy to detect unless you are wearing tribal glasses

The Alaafins Army had a Military Calvary class of Horsemen called the Parakoyi

The Journey from Abeokuta to Kano used to take eight days on Horseback

Ibadan to Ilorin was about 2 days on Horseback

Oyo and Dahomey as allies defeated the Ashanti of Ghana at the battle of Atakpame in Togo in 1764.

Atakpame in Togo is Yoruba till today.

The two last Maps show where Atakpame is in Yorubaland.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Atakpamé

macof:


I thought you said you had eye witness account bloody clowns
An unavailable document from 1911 is your eye witness

Below is the link to the qoute from the British governor that visited the Alaafin of Oyo.

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

Notice from the article that the Ooni haven not be elevated above the Alaafin yet at the time of the British governor's visit, as the Alaafin was referred to here as the head of the Yoruba people.

After operating with Benin for 400 years, 1400 -1800. The Yoruba hinterland became civilised enough for the Europeans to ventured into and the first European visit to Oyo was in 1824. They met the Alaafin of Oyo as the leader of the Yoruba people, not the Ooni. Ife was a small village and the Ooni was just a chief priest or babalawo.

The political elevation of the Ooni from chief priest to head of the Yoruba nation was to come later and started in the 1930s. Even up till the 1950s when Nigeria traditional and political leaders were invited to London conference to discuss the independence of Nigeria, the Ooni was still being referred to by the British press as the spiritual leader of the Yoruba people not the most senior king. It was Awolowo as leader of the western region that completed relegated the Alaafin to second place.

Another thing to notice from the direct qoute from the British governor that visited the Alaafin is that the Alaafin referred to the Oba of Benin as his friend not his brother. The latter political history that the Oba of Benin, the Alaafin of Oyo and Ooni of Ife are same brothers from Oduduwa is another lie this encounter disproved.

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo

Some of you that don't know your history of the 1900s are trying to tell Benin history of pre-1800s.

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

Christistruth00:


The Alaafins Army had a Military Calvary class of Horsemen called the Parakoyi

The Journey from Abeokuta to Kano used to take eight days on Horseback

Ibadan to Ilorin was about 2 days on Horseback

Oyo and Dahomey as allies defeated the Ashanti of Ghana at the battle of Atakpame in Togo in 1764.

Atakpame in Togo is Yoruba till today.

The two last Maps show where Atakpame is in Yorubaland.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Atakpamé

Are you using Wikipedia as a source of reference do you know what get me

A Ghanaian site, talking on this history, get me a yoruba site or Nigerian site talking on this same history and get me a benin republic site
talking on this same history in detailed form

Or you could get me an ancient
European document talking on these same history


Unless you make this requirement we cannot verify the authenticity of these history anybody can go to Wikipedia and write rubbish and call it history

gregyboy:



Are you using Wikipedia as a source of reference do you know what get me

A Ghanaian site, talking on this history, get me a yoruba site or Nigerian site talking on this same history and get me a benin republic site
talking on this same history in detailed form

Or you could get me an ancient
European document talking on these same history


Unless you make this requirement we cannot verify the authenticity of these history anybody can go to Wikipedia and write rubbish and call it history

Oyo defeated the Asanti of Ghana in the Battle of Atakpame in Togo in 1764.

That was one of the things that led to Basorun Gaa becoming a Powerful and Power drunk tyrant, the territory he controlled included parts of Ghana.


Cc: TAO11 , Olu317, macof

samuk:


Below is the link to the qoute from the British governor that visited the Alaafin of Oyo.

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

Notice from the article that the Ooni haven not be elevated above the Alaafin yet at the time of the British governor's visit, as the Alaafin was referred to here as the head of the Yoruba people.

After operating with Benin for 400 years, 1400 -1800. The Yoruba hinterland became civilised enough for the Europeans to ventured into and the first European visit to Oyo was in 1824. They met the Alaafin of Oyo as the leader of the Yoruba people, not the Ooni. Ife was a small village and the Ooni was just a chief priest or babalawo.

The political elevation of the Ooni from chief priest to head of the Yoruba nation was to come later and started in the 1930s. Even up till the 1950s when Nigeria traditional and political leaders were invited to London conference to discuss the independence of Nigeria, the Ooni was still being referred to by the British press as the spiritual leader of the Yoruba people not the most senior king. It was Awolowo as leader of the western region that completed relegated the Alaafin to second place.

Another thing to notice from the direct qoute from the British governor that visited the Alaafin is that the Alaafin referred to the Oba of Benin as his friend not his brother. The latter political history that the Oba of Benin, the Alaafin of Oyo and Ooni of Ife are same brothers from Oduduwa is another lie this encounter disproved.

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo

Some of you that don't know your history of the 1900s are trying to tell Benin history of pre-1800s.

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Lol so much ignorance
Imagine this guy feeling himself so much in ignorance

It's impossible to even begin to teach you anything when you have jumped into conclusion on the entire Yoruba history with only two sentences. So ridiculous

First of all about the 1911 document : I thought we were talking about eye witness accounts?? Provide the eye witness account please not a 1911 unclarified document claiming what happened with an unnamed predecessor

Secondly about Hugh Clapperton's work : "He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war." this does not in any context mean Oyo paid tribute to Benin

macof:

Lol so much ignorance
Imagine this guy feeling himself so much in ignorance

It's impossible to even begin to teach you anything when you have jumped into conclusion on the entire Yoruba history with only two sentences. So ridiculous

First of all about the 1911 document : I thought we were talking about eye witness accounts?? Provide the eye witness account please not a 1911 unclarified document claiming what happened with an unnamed predecessor

Secondly about Hugh Clapperton's work : "He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war." this does not in any context mean Oyo paid tribute to Benin

Benin paid Tribute to Oyo

Not only to Alaafin Oranmiyan but to other Alaafins too.

From
Sir Alfred Moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos 1890

Christistruth00:



Benin paid Tribute to Oyo

Not only to Alaafin Oranmiyan but to other Alaafins too.

From
Sir Alfred Moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos 1890

Thanks for reminding me about this these guys won't like this

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