Efewestern:


This is a section where we are allowed to discuss about local culture and recent happenings, I don't need to be from any part or take permission from you before I can make a comment, so I don't see why you should be angry or paranoid.

Ologbo is an Edoid word which means cat, this I'm not disputing because it has same meaning in my language (Onogbo), going by your logic, Eko is also a Bini word, can we have Enojies in Eko?

Even if there should be an Enojie, wouldn't it be fair that he comes from the community?

Christistruth00:


From what you have written it is obvious that Ologbo belongs to the Itsekiri

Any Culture that calls a group of People TENANTS after 500 years of settlement in a Place and that is threatening to drive them out is desperately faulty and needs a Complete Overhaul it is not done anywhere on Earth.
God himself will fight that Nation .

Even the black Americans who were exported to the US as Slaves are not called Tenants they have long become American Citizens.

From what you wrote alone it is obvious Ologbo belongs to Itsekiri.

If it were not so they would have been Edonised by now both in Language and Culture, by now the Ologbo Itsekiri would have been speaking Edo and bearing Edo names.

500 years ago the People of Ogbomosho were Baribas it didn’t take 300 years for them to become completely Yoruba not through War but by everyday interaction with Yorubas.

macof:

Lol so much ignorance
Imagine this guy feeling himself so much in ignorance

It's impossible to even begin to teach you anything when you have jumped into conclusion on the entire Yoruba history with only two sentences. So ridiculous

First of all about the 1911 document : I thought we were talking about eye witness accounts?? Provide the eye witness account please not a 1911 unclarified document claiming what happened with an unnamed predecessor

Secondly about Hugh Clapperton's work : "He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war." this does not in any context mean Oyo paid tribute to Benin

Christistruth00:



Oyo defeated the Asanti of Ghana in the Battle of Atakpame in Togo in 1764.

That was one of the things that led to Basorun Gaa becoming a Powerful and Power drunk tyrant, the territory he controlled included parts of Ghana.


Cc: TAO11 , Olu317, macof

gregyboy:



Lol, i told you bring old European text acknowledging such wars... You're bringing me uk web, who probably got their information from Wikipedia


..... If Oyo was this popular and throughout European visit during the precolonial times they never knew such self proclaimed empire existed...

Oyo became the self proclaimed empire at the 16 century when Europeans were already 2 centuries in west africa and they didnt notice is existence.... Nawa

Togo was colonized by france definitely France who had been around the Togo region at then should have notice this war, and definitely noted it, it was a big war involving different kingdom across empires


So without any further discussion i need ancient European text supporting this war

Or get me local report from the individual empires that fought this war acknowledging its authenticity that it wasnt just made up by one lunatic and circulated by a yoruba tribal bigot



Or else end this mythical nonsense talk or face further disgrace while i shatter the self proclaimed non existed empire of oyo



Mtcheew, i dont even allow my fellow bini kinsmen to talk in myth when addressing bini history, would it now be a yoruba i would want to allow


This is 21st century were info is everywere and one can easily do research from home,

So go and hide and do a proper research of that war you brought up there before I would listen to you

If you can't prove it then don't bring it

samuk:


I am trying to restrain myself right now, do you guys suffer from the same selective amnesia?

This is the link below, read it or are you claiming you can't open it. I doubt if you know the meaning of words you use. Read and tell us if you are not the ignorant person here.

This is the direct qoute, starting with I in the first person. It's an eyewitness accounts not a work by anyone else. The rest of the qoute that talk about Alaafin informing the British governor that his predecessor paid tributes to Benin is in the link.

"In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

UGBE634:
My brother, that is their forte, they glory in it

samuk:


My brother, I am sometimes amazed by these people's barefaced ignorance, he asked for an eyewitness account, I provided it with a link, the guy still rather wallow in his ignorance.

The narrative was from the person that visited the Alaafin.

UGBE634:
The fact is that their attempt to subdue Benin will not and has not been working for them. We are not illiterate they will throw anything at and we will take it, majority of Benins are now schooled and we know our history more than anything else now. The world knows if there was anything like a true and pristine empire that ran as an independent country in terms of organization, structure and international relations in the south of Nigeria, it is definitely the Benin country and empire. These Barbarians are envious of our history and they are trying to subvert it, it will not work,not this 21century. DOMO

Christistruth00:



Oyo defeated the Asanti of Ghana in the Battle of Atakpame in Togo in 1764.

Christistruth00:



Oyo defeated the Asanti of Ghana in the Battle of Atakpame in Togo in 1764.

samuk:


I am trying to restrain myself right now, do you guys suffer from the same selective amnesia?

This is the link below, read it or are you claiming you can't open it. I doubt if you know the meaning of words you use. Read and tell us if you are not the ignorant person here.

This is the direct qoute, starting with I in the first person. It's an eyewitness accounts not a work by anyone else. The rest of the qoute that talk about Alaafin informing the British governor that his predecessor paid tributes to Benin is in the link.

"In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."


"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

macof:


You are the one suffering psychological issues. A 1911 document that can't be verified.. It can't be accessed, no author named.. Only one sentence visible..saying a one time unnamed alaafin paid Tribute to Benin. If this is what you call eye witness account then you are mad.

You talk about eye witness accounts, when you have eye witnesses who attest to witnessing the alaafin pay tribute mention them not a 1911 document that doesn't even mention the name of the Alaafin who paid the tribute, and certainly not a document that has no named author and only a snippet view

samuk:


The first Europeans didn't visit Oyo until 1826. 1826 was the first time the Europeans visited and started documenting Oyo history.

So how can you back up your 1764 date?

If you say the Ghanaians told you this, could Ghanaians read and write in 1764 to document this war, if so please provide the eyewitness historical sources.

If this date didn't come from the Ghanaians, was it documented by Europeans and please provide the European eyewitness sources.

People dishing out cock and bull stories as history is no longer allowed, you make a claim, you will be requested for eyewitness historical sources.

Have you not noticed that TAO11 has been missing from here for days now because she can't meet this simple requirement.

Christistruth00:


The Europeans at the Coast heard about the defeat of the Ashanti by Oyo from the Ewe and Dahomey who were involved and had Sea Ports

The battle of Atakpame is a very important part of Ashanti History ask any of them.

Oyo and Dahomey defeated them at that time Dahomey was still a tributary of the Alaafin of Oyo

The Ashanti deposed their King Nana Kusi Obodom after their defeat.

It was an important turning Point in their History.

By 1774 When Aare Oona Kakanfo Oyabi and Alaafin Abiodun killed Basorun Gaa , Oyo had already Won Badagry and Port Novo Sea Ports from the Dahomey after Dahomey rebelled against Oyo and European Sailors traded with Oyo at those Ports.


Aare Oona Kakanfo Oyabi and his Army were garrisoned at the Port Town of Porto Novo which Yorubas called Ajase before 1774
That was where Alaafin Abiodun went to in disguise in order to Plot with Oyabi the downfall of Basorun Gaa.

You can see that by 1774 the Oyos were in full control of and trading directly with the Europeans at Badagry and Porto Novo Sea Ports.

samuk:
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Which Oyo traded with European in 1774. The first time the Oyo people and the Alaafin set their eyes on the white man was in 1826, read the eyewitness accounts of the encounter.

Journal of a second expedition into the interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo
Book by Hugh Clapperton.

The book was first published in 1829.

Read from page 38. The Alaafin told the British that visited in 1826 that they have heard about the white man but that was the first time they were seeing one, his forefathers never saw the white man. When was the book you are quoting from written? And by whom.

Christistruth00:


Go and find out the year Oyo Army took over Badagry and Porto Novo Sea Ports

That will open your eyes.

samuk:


You are the one making the claims, you need to show us the eyewitness historical evidence the way I have provided my sources for the first European visit to Oyo in 1826.

We no longer allow fairytales, you can't make an unsubstantiated claims and ask me to go and find the evidence.

Make your claims and provide the eyewitness evidence. This is how TAO11 lies and fairytales were shutdown.

Christistruth00:


Does that mean the Oyo Army was not garrisoned at Porto Novo on the Coast in 1774 after driving the Dahomians from the Town ?

Who do you think Oyo Sold Slaves to at Badagry and Porto Novo Sea Ports ?

Are you one of those People who believes that Black History didn’t exist till the Whites arrived to confirm it ?

samuk:


You are asking questions you should be answering. What I expected from you is very simple, tell us who Oyo sold slaves to at Port Novo Sea Ports and provide us the source for your claims.

What I am asking is very simple, provide your eyewitness sources, by this way, people just can't wake up and start making claims that can't be backed up.

Mind you, I am not saying Oyo didn't sell slaves, I am only asking for references to this part of Oyo history and the sources have to be first hand accounts.

If I were to make the claim that Benin empire once extended to Egypt, would you not demand for prove or just admit it as true.

samuk:


Here is the title, goggle it. I have provided the relevant passage to support my eyewitness accounts.

Like I said before, the first time the Europeans visited Oyo was in 1826. I have also provided an account of what they found on ground. I have also supported my points with eyewitness sources.

Journal of a second expedition into the interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo
Book by Hugh Clapperton.

The book was first published in 1829.

Copy and paste it on Google. Page 41 contains my first quote from the book, read it for the rest because you guys don't like reading but dwells on fairytales.

A brief biography of Hugh Clapperton.

After serving in the Royal Navy in Canada, Hugh Clapperton (1788-1827) participated in two expeditions to the interior of Africa. Richard Lander (1804-34), a young Cornishman who had travelled widely in the service of previous employers, applied to accompany him on the second expedition, during which Clapperton died. Lander published this edition of Clapperton's journal in 1829; an expanded version (also available in this series) appeared the following year. Clapperton's account of his experiences is informal, lively and vivid, describing hospitality and annoyances, discomforts and pleasures. Although its language and attitudes are typical of the early colonial period, it remains a valuable source for West African history. The book also contains a short biography of Clapperton, Lander's emotional account of his master's illness and death, and his journal of his lonely return journey. The appendix includes meteorological observations, notes on Arabic documents, and Yoruba vocabulary.

samuk:
[s]The first Europeans didn't visit Oyo until 1826. 1826 was the first time the Europeans visited and started documenting Oyo history.

So how can you back up your 1764 date?

If you say the Ghanaians told you this, could Ghanaians read and write in 1764 to document this war, if so please provide the eyewitness historical sources.

If this date didn't come from the Ghanaians, was it documented by Europeans and please provide the European eyewitness sources.

People dishing out cock and bull stories as history is no longer allowed, you make a claim, you will be requested for eyewitness historical sources.

Have you not noticed that TAO11 has been missing from here for days now because she can't meet this simple requirement.[/s]

macof:
Hugh Clapperton does not in anywhere in his journal state that Oyo paid tributes to Benin

samuk:
[s]I am trying to restrain myself right now, do you guys suffer from the same selective amnesia?

This is the link below, read it or are you claiming you can't open it. I doubt if you know the meaning of the words you use. Read and tell us if you are not the ignorant person here.

This is the direct qoute, starting with I in the first person. It's an eyewitness accounts not a work by anyone else. The rest of the qoute that talk about Alaafin informing the British governor that his predecessor paid tributes to Benin is in the link.

"In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute[/s]

Christistruth00:
Benin was once undisputedly Under Ile Ife and nobody is dragging Benin.

Alba3:


Lies and revisionism at its pick! I have never seen a Yoruba man called 'Ologbo' as Olorgbo; there's nothing like 'or' in Yoruba alphabetical combination. Mr Igodomigodo, this shows you don't even have any knowledge of Yoruba language at all. Mind what you and your ilks put online, please.

SirNewtonNG:


No mind the idiot just like their British masters they see us as masters hence the phone wey e dash us They see us like the British, i mean our sons have been ruling bini for 1000 years

gregyboy:



Can you imagine such nonsense coming out from you, since the benin royalty has been ruling is now they know they are Yorubas and they should be led to rule

Wether they like it or not, the royalty is of edo
origin and they can never fight it, no silly
Yoruba should near that stool, the heir to the throne must have a Bini or an edo bloodline through the mother to effectively continue the stool

Theplotter:


I would have just gone through this post without mentioning anybody, but i really need to mention you because you are exceedingly stupid.

First, you called Yoruba people useless people. Yoruba gave you your royalty, your Royal language, your art and civilization,yet you called them useless.

If Yoruba people are indeed useless, you would not take pride in giving Yoruba names to Edo children.

Yorubas are useless yet your people consult Ifa.

No, i don't think they are useless, i think you are.

With every post you make, you always try to spite the Yoruba people, infact, you intentionally create post that will tarnish Yoruba.

But here is the truth...

Your tribe can never be equal with Yoruba. Yorubas had set a great pace that non of your kind can match.

Talking about itsekiri kingship.

The Yoruba guy is king already, all this trash you are saying does not change a thing. What we will do, we will do.

When Yorubas are ready to deal with the likes of You who had betrayed the blood of Oduduwa which we generously gave to you, Benin would become completely irrelevant.

Without the Oba dynasty we have to you, you are just disgusting savages under the Ogisos. Oranmiyan civilized your ancestors and made you think like men, but today, you hate us.

But the truth is you can not shake is of.

We Yorubas own every inch of Benin.

And there is nothing you can do about it.
Nothing.....

You can't fight us because we are not your mate.

You can only beg us as your ancestors always do.

And you can never physically clash with any Yoruba clan.

We Yorubas colonized Benin and so, Benin is one of our many colonies.

Get that into your thick skull...

Jameseddi1:
Soon we will send Oyo and Ife people back to Benin republic.

As Benin Ado was only the place south Nigeria was identified as your Oyo was only found in Benin republic around 17th 18th century. I wonder why the British even give Yoruba power self after conquering Benin

Nisiw365:
Yoruba own the whole of benin. Benin population is 100k. When nigeria divides, we will take back our benin. We are not 60 million for nothing