Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

Including people like you. You’re fortunate I don’t know you in person.
I would have single handedly make sure you follow me to church.

Saul was more stringent and mean in destroying believers of Jesus Christ until God touched him and he was named Paul and he became a bold evangelist of Jesus Christ.

Souls are perishing everyday and my desire is to ensure that more souls are won to the Kingdom of God.


If you’re a believer, join me in this conquest brother.
Shalom!

[s]

Gambit23:


Christianity is already in trouble worldwide, A trouble that she will never survive.

[/s] A religion that is more than 2000 years old is what is about to die? Baba, your mumu no get part 2

Indispensable85:
What's wrong if they're called to a meeting with the GO and asked what their challenges are? Interact with them as family and provide the necessary encouragement and support to do better. I'm a winners member but it doesn't sound fair to just send those young men into the streets like that. No exit package and they're asked to vacate their apartment on short notice. It's not just fair. Jesus Christ was a compassionate leader while on earth. Christian leaders need to show more compassion. These guys have families na.....come on!

Do you think that they didn't do that. You are not a winner but an imposter. If you are a Winner you will not be here rubbishing your church in public because of an unserious man who called himself a pastor.

Mustiboy:


I was never a Christian. Was born into a Muslim family.

you then fit into the 10%

God bless you my brother. You have said it all.

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

"Replacing'' as you put it can be in the form of transfer to other branch, not your services is no longer needed?

These are two different concept.

Did you read the letter?

"We would go in groups, stopping random people, talking to them about the Jesus, inviting them to church."

Why not go Muslim states and do this. U stop ur fellow Christians for road and ask them to come to ur church? SAME THING THEY DO IN THE MARKET WHICH IS CALLED LOOKING FOR CUSTOMERS.

temitope27:
u must be from illorin, oloriburuku masanfani ni e

omo iran kiran, baba e ni oloriburuku.

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

You mean if people got saved in Winners Chapel Anambra branch and decided to relocate to Lagos then the pastor in-charge of Winners Chapel Anambra should be sacked for not meeting up to expectations (growth index).

Wether financial or population growth which will eventually translate to more money for the church, This decision by Oyedepo is a clear indication that he is all about winning money into his pocket and not winning souls for God.

By their fruits we are beginning to know them. Open your eyes people...emancipate yourself from mental and pocket slavery.

When it comes to religion we are number one on the list but when it comes to loving one another as it is tought in all religions we are the worst, We don't practice what we preach. Nigeria is very religious but an unholy country.

Pastor no attract yahoo boys and Coded runs babes to church....

malcom1X:



Did you not read the part were he was fired and told to return all properties of the church?

How do you want him to invest more in God's work again?

He did not bother to read the letter instead want to defend what he know nothing about?

samwash:
Church ministry is a very big ministry & it must grow. The growth of a church is not just the physical structure but in Numerical Numbers.
If the structure is big with no members it's useless.
Heaven is abt numbers, saved souls, God can't stand the devil winning souls to his kingdom that is why Jesus Christ came to redeem man to God.
Salvation is useless with pple.

Heaven is not about numbers.

Please, let us fear the Lord, and stop perverting His word.

Christ was never concerned about the number, and salvation is not useless without people.

Let everyone turn against Christ, and watch the stones praise Him.

You think He feeds on your praise?

If God was about numbers, He would have forgiven Satan. In fact, everyone would make Heaven.

Yet, He has made the Road so narrow and filled with thorns that only a few would find it.

It is the Devil who actually wants numbers because he doesn't want to suffer alone, and wants to take as many people down with him as possible.

Among all the comments I choose to response to yours because your sense is below "very poor" avarage

Sulele04:
There is a Yoruba saying, "if lies is what will make sleep well at night, tell lies as long as it makes you sleep well."

Church growth kor Tithe growth ni.

Church is a business own this fact, nobody is saying you should stop worshiping a white Jesus.

If there is no tithe or offering, church crashes, same way if there is no customer supermarket closes up.

What is church growth; more customers(followers), more tithes (revenue).

Sayfini.
Awon nanamu .

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

Brother I am also a member of christ embassy alakija ojo

We grew the church from the scratch with pastor Tony ikoku and later his wife late pastor doyin may her soul rest in peace

Now I read all u said that's it's not because of tithe and offering
U talked about how u go out to win souls and bring them to church
Bros let's get this straight
The going out thingy in Christ embassy isn't about winning souls
We only most times 9 out of 10 just invite them and collect their data

Hardly do we really minister to them cos its just a short time every Sunday morning and yes we miss services
So it's not something I am not used to
During the days of pastor Tony way back 2002
We really did win souls
We go to thier houses
We sit with them
We share our clothes
We share our money
We find solutions for them
Jobs ...clothes ..food ...rent ...even health issues
Now when u do that
U truly win this people and they too begin to win people
That's was how Christ embassy ojo was built till it became a mighty church

In the days of sister lilly, dem no born u well not to bring ur report
U go win that soul

U go bring offering
U go bring seeds
Why cos u are made to be involved in the lives of these people u meet

Now saying that how much them wan bring is degrading becos many of us including me
When I came to Christ embassy ojo
I was poor
Broke
Naked

But after I began to worship there
I began to have
I made money and even travelled out to London
Many like me I saw in the UK from same Christ embassy ojo

So it has nothing to do with how much dem wan bring
Cos when God's word hit u right
Things will be right in ur life

But today how is the same ojo
No one cares
Church is now a fashion show
People only care if u have
Look into that brothers/ sisters eyes and say u love him
Na only tongue e dey

Now back to this topic
The pastors are sent to remote areas
And yes they are to win souls.
But also remember these areas have their traditional churches
From cele to c&s to Methodist to basptist to even their traditional worship and even Islam
It's not like Lagos or the urban areas
It's harder there
When I was in illogbo eremi along badagary express way
When I lost all I had after I came back from the UK
I joined the church there
Common giving of 10,000 naira was a challenge for the church
Cos people over there are super poor

Now this is within Lagos
And the pastor there must give report to the church in ijaniki
He has to show offerings which most times it's not up to 5k
Giving to various ministry departments is another issue
Now imagine inside Lagos ohhh
Now think of ekiti and all these predominantly farming communities

Bros church growth is all encompassing
Membership strength
Tithes and offerings
And seeds

The main church was footing the bills of the pastor and the church rent
But brother the people he was meeting no agree to change church
Also remember the covid lock down made many eyes to wide as many pastors didn't help.
And people understood that all man for himself
A lot of us don't do church anymore
I hardly go to church
Even if I go
These days pastor go they preach I go dey play candy crush

Jesus Christ said a time is coming where people will neither go to the mountains or the temples ( church) but those that worship God will worship him in Spirit and in truth.

That time is now

Col 2 :17 says the things u see are a shadow of the things to come

Our churches messed up
They didn't take advantage of the desire of the souls of the people
They focused mainly on the gospel of Materialism which many termed prosperity

The issue was more about tithe and offerings
U can cover it up all u want but many believers like u can see through the bull shit

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

WHAT AN IDIOT

Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

Most people believe church growth is about offering and tithe growth. I used to be a member of Winners chapel but I can tell you that majority of the people the evangelists brought to church then,are poor/needy people,people in depression,sick people,mentally ill people. Tell me how can one preach to rich people to come to church when they cherish their time more than anything? Person wey Dey healthy no Dey go hospital. Sincerely,I can testify to the fact that people you can bring to church are those people loitering on the streets.

You mean if people got saved in Winners Chapel Anambra branch and decided to relocate to Lagos then the pastor in-charge of Winners Chapel Anambra should be sacked for not meeting up to expectations (growth index).

Wether financial or population growth which will eventually translate to more money for the church, This decision by Oyedepo is a clear indication that he is all about winning money into his pocket and not winning souls for God.

By their fruits we are beginning to know them. Open your eyes people...emancipate yourself from mental and pocket slavery.

When it comes to religion we are number one on the list but when it comes to loving one another like it is thought in all religions we are the worst, We don't practice what we preach. Nigeria is very religious but an unholy countr

You mean if people got saved in Winners Chapel Anambra branch and decided to relocate to Lagos then the pastor in-charge of Winners Chapel Anambra should be sacked for not meeting up to expectations (growth index).

Wether financial or population growth which will eventually translate to more money for the church, This decision by Oyedepo is a clear indication that he is all about winning money into his pocket and not winning souls for God.

By their fruits we are beginning to know them. Open your eyes people...emancipate yourself from mental and pocket slavery.

When it comes to religion we are number one on the list but when it comes to loving one another like it is thought in all religions we are the worst, We don't practice what we preach. Nigeria is very religious but an unholy country

Thank you very much sir for this clearificatiin. It's showed you are truly rooted in Christ. May the grace of God continue to guide you in wisdom in Jesus name

Be lying to yourself ..

They will always be after 'growth index' but Jesus cares more about soul index!

Did Jesus hand out employment letters to the
12?!
Did Paul give Timothy ID cards and an employment letter?!

That article up there is nothing but another weak defense and a boring Supersport analysis!

Bros, have you read the scripture that says...
And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.(Luke14:23)??
If you do not agree to this scripture...you're an antichristian.

BluntTheApostle:


Heaven is not about numbers.

Please, let us fear the Lord, and stop perverting His word.

Christ was never concerned about the number, and salvation is not useless without people.

Let everyone turn against Christ, and watch the stones praise Him.

You think He feeds on your praise?

If God was about numbers, He would have forgiven Satan. In fact, everyone would make Heaven.

Yet, He has made the Road so narrow and filled with thorns that only a few would find it.

It is the Devil who actually wants numbers because he doesn't want to suffer alone, and wants to take as many people down with him as possible.

petra1:

i love this Deeperlife/christ Embassy

You had to quote the whole post just to type this rubbish. Some of you people can be so irritating.

Righteousness2:
[[s]i]The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.[/s]

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.
[/i]

Hypocrite! You will never see anything wrong with the reason for the sack.

Thank you OP,

We will wait to hear from the other side anytime soon.

Naijboy:

Do you think that they didn't do that. You are not a winner but an imposter. If you are a Winner you will not be here rubbishing your church in public because of an unserious man who called himself a pastor.

Unfortunately I'm not a brainwashed member like you and we're many like that. You become brainwashed and enslaved when you see your GO as your God that can't do wrong or make mistakes. Some of us still have our senses under full control ok? I worship in winners chapel should not make me a conquest ok? My primary focus is on God and my personal relationship with him not winners chapel or the GO. I advise you to emancipate yourself from mental slavery. Make the bible your guide and Jesus Christ your standard not your place of worship or your GO. Stay blessed!

emerged01:

Most people believe church growth is about offering and tithe growth. I used to be a member of Winners chapel but I can tell you that majority of the people the evangelists brought to church then,are poor/needy people,people in depression,sick people,mentally ill people. Tell me how can one preach to rich people to come to church when they cherish their time more than anything? Person wey Dey healthy no Dey go hospital. Sincerely,I can testify to the fact that people you can bring to church are those people loitering on the streets.

Are you telling me that the Church don't tax these former loiterers?

My brother, however you look at it, it is about tithes and offerings. Even those who are unemployed are still subtly threatened into making offerings.

Ishilove:

When I first read the news, I was wary because sensationalism is now the order of the day

This is the link to the videos. I saw the video even before reading the news. Hear from the mouth of the pastor direct . He was sacked because he couldn't generate enough miney.
https://thenationonlineng.net/video-winners-chapel-sacked-me-40-other-pastors-for-not-generating-enough-income/

Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

While your mathematical model is accurate that is, more members, more money but have you stopped to think that churches do not compel people to come to a service with money??, Some even provide free transport services for members just to make them come without the excuse of not having Tfare. So how much would such group contributes to the coffers ?? Have you ever heard of a church that refused you entry into a service because you do not have offering? So where is this your notion coming from?? How is church growth index directly translating to finance?? A pastor who has failed to garner incremental growth of the such is axed and you all jumped into the money angle. In your circular organization, are contracts not terminated for under performance?? Why am I not surprised?. Today's generation would have dragged Jesus for cursing the Fig tree for its inability to bear fruit. Pls we shouldn't just say something because it align with our agenda.

Flne

Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

Do you understand the write up at all or did you even finish reading it?
Tufiakwa!!